andrew50
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Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:34 pm

I am sure there are some of you all out there using this combination. I just wanted your opinions on what kind of results everyone is having. I know the lens gets rave reviews for sure. After having the old version for 11 years, and being very happy with it, I decided to upgrade to the new version. Plus I got a nice price for the old 100-400 which made the purchase
of the new lens easier. So after 4 or 5 times out with the news lens, I would have to say I am quite disappointed. Photos are hit and miss with sharpness, seem to have a lot of grain in the photos, and exposure seems different from the old lens. Shots I used to take at 800/8.0 with the old lens, now have to be taken at 640/8.0 with new lens. I have had a few times where I have shot a burst of 6 or 7 shots and the first 4 or 5 are exposed right and then the last 2 look over exposed. Right now I would have to say the results with the old push pull were better especially sharpness. A lot of money for the new lens to have these results. I have to say conditions haven't been exactly perfect, hot weather and a lot of humidity in the air.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:42 pm

Quoting andrew50 (Thread starter):
I have to say conditions haven't been exactly perfect, hot weather and a lot of humidity in the air

I'd say your problem lies right there. When I bought my 100-400L in 2009, I deliberately made the purchase in winter, so I could test it in optimal conditions. You'd be surprised just how significantly poor conditions can affect quality which such a lens, especially at the 400mm end.

It's possible that you have a poor copy, but I'd try and rule out the likely culprit - i.e. user error - first.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:43 pm

Hi Andrew,

I can't open your pictures and so I can't say anything about the quality.

I have the 100-400 M2 and I use it with the 5D3 and the 72. The lens offers a great result and I like this lens very much.

I would advise you to send your camera and your lens to Canon for adjusting.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:54 pm

Quoting carlos (Reply 2):
I would advise you to send your camera and your lens to Canon for adjusting.

This.

I have to say, some of your issues are very odd indeed - grain and inconsistent exposure don't make sense to me.

FWIW, I used the 100-400 II with a 7D II in a near-perfect conditions last year, which prompted me to purchase the combo shortly after. I have been quite pleased, even though I haven't had the time to send the body/lens in together to be adjusted. My 50D and 70-200 f/4L IS were 'mated' by Canon years ago, and the combination is incredible. I expect another step up when I get the 7D II and the 100-400 II done.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:13 pm

I have the same body/lens combo for about a year now and have been very happy with it, the Mk 2 lens was in my case a huge improvement over my 15 year old Mk 1 version.
The 7D unfortunately tends to be on the noisy side - today I received my 7D Mk 2 which seems to be a bit better in that regard.
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:50 pm

My 100-400 Mk2 is definitely better than my old 100-400 - sharper, quicker autofocus, much better results all round. 7D is actually quite noisy, 7D Mark2 is quite a bit better.

By the way, with the both lenses, the old and the new one, I had to use the lens microadjustment to achieve optimal results.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:49 am

Quoting andrew50 (Thread starter):
seem to have a lot of grain in the photos
Quoting angad84 (Reply 3):
I have to say, some of your issues are very odd indeed - grain and inconsistent exposure don't make sense to me.

I wouldn't blame grain on the lens, unless you're having to increase contrast more in post, which will make the grain more visible.

For inconsistent exposure, do you mean at the exact same settings you're getting different exposures? Or are you using aperture- or shutter-priority, and the metering is changing between shots?

Quoting andrew50 (Thread starter):
Shots I used to take at 800/8.0 with the old lens, now have to be taken at 640/8.0 with new lens.

I'd wager that's within Canon's tolerances for lenses. A 1/3 stop difference isn't much.

Quoting carlos (Reply 2):
I would advise you to send your camera and your lens to Canon for adjusting.

Certainly an option. But if the 7D has the focus micro-adjustment feature (I think it does), I'd try that first. That helped me maximize sharpness on previous camera/lens combos. I've never felt the need to send them to Canon for adjustment.
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:42 am

I purchased the Canon, 100-400L, MK I with Image Stabiliser, in combination with a Canon60D. Initially I was disappointed with the results, shots were soft, or blurred more often than not, I used the lens in Av mode. I spoke to a Camera Shop Sales person, that sold Canon equipment, explaining my problem, he told me to use Manual mode, especially with the 100-400L mm, shutter 1/800 (or lower as you get better with panning), f7.1, ASA 125-200 depending on light levels.

From that moment on my results were much better, more sharp images than soft. Then I bought a Canon 6D, full frame sensor and this combination with the 100-400L mm combination, mean't I never went back to the Canon60D, only using it as a back up.

Try setting your camera body to Manual mode in combination with you new lens, make sure the exposure needle is about a stop over, lowering noise in shadows, for best results. Finally, shoot in RAW, if you are not doing so already, making it easier to deal with any exposure issues you may encounter in Manual mode.
 
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 6):
Certainly an option. But if the 7D has the focus micro-adjustment feature (I think it does), I'd try that first. That helped me maximize sharpness on previous camera/lens combos. I've never felt the need to send them to Canon for adjustment.

It's easier for folks that aren't familiar/comfortable with AF microadjust. I wasn't when I first sent my stuff to Canon.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:29 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 8):

I wasn't familiar with it either when I first tried it.   Doesn't take too much playing around with to see some results. And it's free, and you don't lose the camera for any time!

But of course, it's up to each photographer.
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:33 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Doesn't take too much playing around with to see some results.

Agree.
 
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:21 pm

I have never had to adjust any Canon lenses I have purchased. In my opinion if you purchase a $2100 lens it should be ready to go. Besides the 100-400 version II, I have the 70-200L IS, 70-300L IS, and my old 100-400L IS. Plus I have various non L lenses. I took the new version II night shooting last night and on a tripod with the IS off, I still was getting blurry shots, not all but most. Funny because I have read nothing but great things about the mark II The version II comes no where near the sharpness of the 11 year old 100-400 I sold. Thanks for all the input you guys have given me.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:39 pm

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 11):
if you purchase a $2100 lens it should be ready to go

I fully agree. A lot of older bodies (still popular today) don't have micro adjust, so Canon's 'tolerance bracket' between camera and lens is in my eyes just another word for sloppy QC.

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 11):
I took the new version II night shooting last night and on a tripod with the IS off, I still was getting blurry shots, not all but most

Sounds like a faulty lens to me. I've had a couple over the years. I'd send it back post-haste, before you get lumped with it - better safe than sorry.

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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:36 pm

Quoting andrew50 (Reply 11):

Can you post a shot or two? Are they blurry, OOF, soft?

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
I fully agree. A lot of older bodies (still popular today) don't have micro adjust, so Canon's 'tolerance bracket' between camera and lens is in my eyes just another word for sloppy QC.

Well, we can each call it what we want, but it doesn't necessarily change the fact that it's there.
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
but it doesn't necessarily change the fact that it's there

Unless you happen to have a camera introduced before 2008/9.....
 
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:08 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 14):
Unless you happen to have a camera introduced before 2008/9.....

Sorry, I meant that the "tolerance bracket" in some way is there.

I know micro-adjustment didn't always exist.
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RE: Canon 7D + Canon 100-400L Is II

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:25 pm

A tolerance bracket is acceptable, but the width of that bracket where Canon is concerned seems to be increasingly questionable. Some of these lenses they're pushing out are verging on faulty! Like I say, micro-adjustment is basically Canon's way of not having to recall 800 lenses... and something to fob people off with when what they effectively have is a below-par product.

I'm sure Nikon has tighter quality control. If it weren't for Canon's next-gen L lenses, I'm confident they would have been totally trounced by now.

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