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Motive - crop

Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:11 pm

Over the years I've had several motive rejections for poor cropping, when cutting out part of the wing and/or stabilizer on photos that are not 90-degrees side-on's. Either the crop was too tight or not tight enough.
I'm curious if there are any guidelines for this. IMO if the fuselage is more or less centered and the crop is more than just a tiny part of the outer edge/point of the wing/stabilizer, it should be OK.

E.g. this one got rejected for cropped not tight enough (after I cropped it tighter, it was accepted anyway): https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 033505.jpg
IMO this crop is fine as the fuselage is centered and a significant part of the left wing and horizontal stabilizer are cropped (not just a tiny edge).

Similar story for these (just some examples):
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 918475.jpg
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 640449.jpg
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 640443.jpg
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 456509.jpg

I just came across this photo, which I would consider a poor crop, but it got accepted: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Flair-Ai ... 90/5056299
Here only a tiny part of the right stabilizer is cropped. IMO this one should be cropped tighter, till near the edge of the flap or the outer flap fairing, in order to center the fuselage.

So I'm curious why the screeners would regard the Flair Air a better crop than any of the other examples above.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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Re: Motive - crop

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:46 am

First off, Flair Air is 100% a bad crop and shouldn't have been accepted. It's worse in that respect than any of your examples.
You biz jet that was accepted is not centered either. I would have cropped just left of the flap track fairing, then equal distance from the engine to the right edge of frame and the nose to the left edge.
Same logic for the 737 BBJ.
Last three are awkward because you're cropping out a small amount of the h-stab. I would either crop wider to include the full h-stab or tighter and exclude the winglet.

Just my opinion... of course you've got 50x more shots in the db than I do, so what do I know!
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:39 am

The GLEX needs a tighter crop on both sides and I'm pretty sure I rejected or SO'd that image for that reason.
The Corendon needs a tighter crop on both sides (incl. cutting off the wing/winglet).
The BBJ needs a tighter crop on the right.
The KLM needs a tighter crop on both sides (incl. cutting off the wing/winglet).
The Transavia needs a tighter crop on the right (and possibly on the left).
The Flair Air is absolutely horribly cropped and should have been rejected for that. Will ask the photographer for a reupload.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:04 pm

airkas1 wrote:
The Flair Air is absolutely horribly cropped and should have been rejected for that. Will ask the photographer for a reupload.


I suspect it was accepted as a priority upload for first shot of that plane/livery. Not saying the crop shouldn't be better, just that I understand why it was accepted.
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Re: Motive - crop

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:31 pm

scbriml wrote:
airkas1 wrote:
The Flair Air is absolutely horribly cropped and should have been rejected for that. Will ask the photographer for a reupload.

I suspect it was accepted as a priority upload for first shot of that plane/livery. Not saying the crop shouldn't be better, just that I understand why it was accepted.

Probably yes, but still doesn't excuse the crop and is grounds for a rejection. Even if it is a priority photo. Anyway, I've had contact with the photographer and the photo will be replaced.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:26 pm

Hello all,

Regarding the following photo: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 275703.jpg

I just received a cropping rejection for this one, right in frame, even though it is cropped in the same way as the improved Flair Air mentioned in my earlier post (https://www.airliners.net/photo/Flair-Ai ... 90/5056299).
I cropped a fair amount of the horizontal stabilizer and wing, not just the outer tip, included the flap track fairings and left some space on the right, upper and lower side.
IMO the rejected version looks much better than the tight-cropped version (https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 288759.jpg) as you will see a bit more surroundings, grass at the bottom, etc in the rejected photo. Alternatively I can crop less tight than the rejected photo to include the whole horizontal stabilizer, but this will undoubtedly result in a rejection of not including the entire wing and if I do include the entire wing, the fuselage is far more right in frame than the rejected photo, making it even more unbalanced.

What to do?
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Re: Motive - crop

Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:44 pm

Leave the top, bottom, and right crop as is, bring in the left to just past the fairing. Distance from tip of vertical stabilizer to left edge of frame should be same as distance from tip of nose to right edge of frame.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:30 am

If you want this photo accepted, I'm affraid your only option is the crop of the new edit. Alternatively, you could try a more side-on photo and solve the crop issue that way.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:31 pm

So how is the rejected Egyptair any different from this one that got accepted just a month ago?

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 227963.jpg
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Re: Motive - crop

Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:22 am

dutchspotter1 wrote:
So how is the rejected Egyptair any different from this one that got accepted just a month ago?

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 227963.jpg

It isn't. Just another example of the inconsistent screening which we all experience.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:35 am

Kaphias wrote:
dutchspotter1 wrote:
So how is the rejected Egyptair any different from this one that got accepted just a month ago?

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 227963.jpg

It isn't. Just another example of the inconsistent screening which we all experience.


For sure, it is more or less the same. And usually that crop as on the Enter Air is seen as too wide as well. Personally I would also prefer it with a tighter crop.
In the end it slipped through.. I don't know if it all has to do with screening inconsistency everytime... People make mistakes. Crops are subjective...

I would just crop the Egypt Air a bit tighter and it should be fine. It is a nice shot.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:08 pm

While I'm still trying to figure out if/when and how much a stabilizer may be cropped, how about this one: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Allegian ... 82/5298327
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Re: Motive - crop

Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:09 pm

That Allegiant is a very awkward crop for me, because the aircraft is very nearly side-on. I doubt you're going to get that into the database.

***EDIT***

I just noticed it's been accepted. I'm very surprised as I honestly think the cropped stabiliser looks very awkward.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:48 pm

The Allegiant does not meet the standard for cropping. Unless there were some extenuating circumstances, I'd say it was screener oversight.

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Re: Motive - crop

Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:38 pm

I agree with Jehan. RE: Allegiant.
 
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Re: Motive - crop

Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:35 pm

Gave you the benefit of the doubt for the Egyptair. Still looks right in frame to me though and there is no reason why you couldn't crop the flap track fairing in half to get a better crop on it. So my suggestion for a next time would either be to shoot it more side-on or when it's still further away (if you still want such a crop).

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