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UPDATE: The head-on photo of N939LR got accepted into the database; once again, any opinions from my last post in this thread is appreciated! Still waiting on screeners' opinions on N791AN, N360UP, and the S80 cockpit!
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UPDATE: The head-on photo of N939LR got accepted into the database; once again, any opinions from my last post in this thread is appreciated! Still waiting on screeners' opinions on N791AN, N360UP, and the S80 cockpit!
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am

They all appear pretty noisy to me. What ISO are you using and how much exposure compensation/brightness are you adding in processing? Doesn't seem to me to be a reason daytime shots like this should be so grainy. FWIW I see a slight bit of banding near the sun in the UPS. S80 tail upon re-edit appears slightly blurry or soft. N794AN is still noisy, and blotchy in the sky. If you're using default photoshop noise reduction, I'd advise against that as it is utter crap imo. Nik is well worth the investment, again imo and ymmv. Now that I'm done with the preteen girl texting style, N732SK is almost a little too bright now, it is close to overexposed at the forward door. S80 wing view could stand a little brightness , and is the noisiest of the bunch. N939LR wing view is a little flat.
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:00 am

MD80 tail: blurry, quality
794: not great, but maybe passable
732: a bit overexposed and weird colors, oversharpened. Marginal

Both newly uploaded are very noisy, blurry and quality. Honestly it looks like they were taken with a phone.
 
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They all appear pretty noisy to me. What ISO are you using and how much exposure compensation/brightness are you adding in processing? Doesn't seem to me to be a reason daytime shots like this should be so grainy. FWIW I see a slight bit of banding near the sun in the UPS. S80 tail upon re-edit appears slightly blurry or soft. N794AN is still noisy, and blotchy in the sky. If you're using default photoshop noise reduction, I'd advise against that as it is utter crap imo. Nik is well worth the investment, again imo and ymmv. Now that I'm done with the preteen girl texting style, N732SK is almost a little too bright now, it is close to overexposed at the forward door. S80 wing view could stand a little brightness , and is the noisiest of the bunch. N939LR wing view is a little flat.


Of the cockpit shots:
-CRJ: ISO 400
-S80: ISO 800 (note that I usually have ISO settings in "auto" mode)

Most aircraft shots are taken with an ISO of between 200 and 400 (this is the case for the N794AN photo); again, ISO settings are automatically set.

As for exposure compensation/brightness, I try to set the right ticker halfway between the start of the slope and the point to where the slope is getting steeper, that is, to the point where the photo is shining adequately and not to where it's either flat (no shine) or overexposed (portions of shone light is actually blown in parts of aircraft).

In terms of noise reduction, I did use the photoshop's default noise reduction; depending on settings and photo, in my experience, some of the photos rejected for noise did got accepted to the a.net database.


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MD80 tail: blurry, quality
794: not great, but maybe passable
732: a bit overexposed and weird colors, oversharpened. Marginal

Both newly uploaded are very noisy, blurry and quality. Honestly it looks like they were taken with a phone.


I'll probably throw out the MD-80 tail, since blurry is not fixable, along with the photo not making up the standards of a.net.
I'll give the re-uploaded N794AN photo a try in the queue for any second opinions from other screeners.
I'll try to fix the N732SK photo to decrease exposure and perhaps even fix color balance. For now, the photo will be deleted from queue.
As for the newly uploaded photos, only the CRJ photo with the tail and wing was taken from phone; the MD-80 wing view was taken by DSLR.
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:50 pm

Update on N517AE: photo is accepted to database!



After numerous attempts and fixes, N939LR (head on photo) is also accepted to database:

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:07 am

Cockpit shots show noise the least, but if you're on an entry level SLR, anything north of 200 can cause excessive noise, so be aware of that.
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:36 am

Thanks for the tip! Will keep ISO 200 in mind when plane spotting!
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:14 am

Hi everyone! I had a very busy week, but here are some edits:

N360UP (attempted to sharpen a bit more and reduce noise further):
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 36eb572e5e
N732SK (sharpened less from last upload; color adjustments were made; eased on exposure):
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1694242b6b
N939LR (wing view, sharpened a bit more; attempted to reduce noise further):
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 927c5ceba0

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Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:25 am

N360UP: Still seeing banding, although that could just be rays of light?
N732SK: Noise underneath the forward part of the fuselage and a bit soft in some areas. Overall quality looks 50/50.
N939LR: OS, motive, noisy/blotchy sky.
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N360UP: Still seeing banding, although that could just be rays of light?
N732SK: Noise underneath the forward part of the fuselage and a bit soft in some areas. Overall quality looks 50/50.
N939LR: OS, motive, noisy/blotchy sky.


N360UP: The banding issue is what I have believed to be rays of light; could not find any evidence of banding when I put the photo on equalize...
N732SK: By quality looking 50/50, does this mean it has a 50/50 chance of passing? I have applied auto-correct on color and looks blue-ish; I had to adjust settings slightly on the yellow side...
N939LR: With the motive rejection in mind, is this because the forward fuselage is clipped? I don't disagree with your opinion on motive but I was wondering why would this photo would be rejected for motive...
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:40 am

And here is one more photo that I have re-uploaded after slightly increasing exposure and reducing noise even further:

N426AA (wing view):
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 09867e7f46
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N939LR: With the motive rejection in mind, is this because the forward fuselage is clipped? I don't disagree with your opinion on motive but I was wondering why would this photo would be rejected for motive...

It's very awkward compositionally. The right half of the photo is empty except for the thin line of the wing, and the right has most of a fuselage, but not the nose. No real "subject".
 
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N939LR: With the motive rejection in mind, is this because the forward fuselage is clipped? I don't disagree with your opinion on motive but I was wondering why would this photo would be rejected for motive...

It's very awkward compositionally. The right half of the photo is empty except for the thin line of the wing, and the right has most of a fuselage, but not the nose. No real "subject".


I see what you mean; time to throw in the towel for this shot then...
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:14 am

I have uploaded a similar shot of the N939LR tail, this time in portrait orientation:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 6dfb2f1d51

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I have uploaded a similar shot of the N939LR tail, this time in portrait orientation:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 6dfb2f1d51

Any opinions on this shot are greatly appreciated!

Won't make it, sorry. Can you see how the line where the top edge of the tail meets the sky appears to "ripple"? Also look at the sky, best word I can use is "splotchy". Photo looks like something I would take on my phone through a window using digital zoom.
 
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Kaphias wrote:
fsx98 wrote:
I have uploaded a similar shot of the N939LR tail, this time in portrait orientation:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 6dfb2f1d51

Any opinions on this shot are greatly appreciated!

Won't make it, sorry. Can you see how the line where the top edge of the tail meets the sky appears to "ripple"? Also look at the sky, best word I can use is "splotchy". Photo looks like something I would take on my phone through a window using digital zoom.


Are you referring to as "heat haze?" It's where lines became wobbly from taking photos in extreme heat; I will also bin this shot as well, but thanks anyway!
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fsx98 wrote:
I have uploaded a similar shot of the N939LR tail, this time in portrait orientation:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 6dfb2f1d51

Any opinions on this shot are greatly appreciated!

Won't make it, sorry. Can you see how the line where the top edge of the tail meets the sky appears to "ripple"? Also look at the sky, best word I can use is "splotchy". Photo looks like something I would take on my phone through a window using digital zoom.


Are you referring to as "heat haze?" It's where lines became wobbly from taking photos in extreme heat; I will also bin this shot as well, but thanks anyway!

That's the likely cause. Note that heat haze occurs because of a high temperature differential, not just high heat. I occasionally have to content with it in the middle of winter in Alaska as the tarmac in the sun will be much warmer than the air.
 
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:30 am

Heat haze and other things aside, it is just generally very poor quality. I would say best to bin this one and move on to other shots.
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Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:31 am

UPDATE: N794AN was rejected for underexposed; I have increased the exposure setting and reuploaded this photo:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 25c3574416

The N426AA cockpit was also rejected for blurry, compression, and underexposed; I have cropped out the areas that are blurry and increased the exposure slightly; photo is saved with minimal to no compression:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 15d0dd09ea

Finally, the N791AN photo was rejected for dark, oversharpened, and underexposed; I have slightly increased exposure and sharpened the photo less:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 9c10bf366e

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Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:12 am

The cockpit still looks to have some blur to me. I don't think that one will work. 794 is pretty grainy and possibly compressed. 791is also pretty grainy and possibly compressed, and borderline OS in some spots, like the titles.
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The N426AA cockpit was also rejected for blurry, compression, and underexposed; I have cropped out the areas that are blurry and increased the exposure slightly; photo is saved with minimal to no compression:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 15d0dd09ea

Unable to judge the quality on my work screen, but I'm not a fan of the crop. A cockpit like that just looks very unbalanced to me.
 
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DL747 wrote:
The cockpit still looks to have some blur to me. I don't think that one will work.


airkas1 wrote:
fsx98 wrote:
The N426AA cockpit was also rejected for blurry, compression, and underexposed; I have cropped out the areas that are blurry and increased the exposure slightly; photo is saved with minimal to no compression:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 15d0dd09ea

Unable to judge the quality on my work screen, but I'm not a fan of the crop. A cockpit like that just looks very unbalanced to me.


Thanks guys; I have tried cropping out the areas where it is obviously blurry (on the right side, specifically), but ended up with an unmotivated cropped photo; guess I will probably have to bin this cockpit shot for right now...
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:32 pm

Updates:

Bad News:
-N360UP rejected for OS and Underexposed (quite fixable?)
-N426AA rejected for Quality, Noise, and Underexposed (might fix it for re-upload)

Good news:
-N732SK got accepted to the a.net database!

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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:08 pm

Honestly I'd drop 426AA. Quality usually indicates that the quality just isn't there, even of fixable reasons are given (goes for any photo)
 
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Honestly I'd drop 426AA. Quality usually indicates that the quality just isn't there, even of fixable reasons are given (goes for any photo)


Thanks Kas; upon attempting to increase exposure of this shot, the slats looked blown; will definitely bin this photo...


Just a few more updates:

N794AN was rejected for OS and soft;
N791AN got into the database! Just two more photos to go to reach 100!

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Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:35 pm

I have reuploaded the photo of N794AN to the queue with OS (applies to "American" titles) and soft (applies to whole aircraft) rejections addressed. Here is the link below to the reuploaded photo:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... a68acabe59

I have also reuploaded the photo of N360UP to the queue with increased exposure and a less-sharpened photo:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... be89573543

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Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:35 am

N794AN : The quality of it is quiet marginal for me honestly. You can see that the sky is noisy especially those darker area and the areas under the wing.
UPS : Poor light condition and the level of it seems to need bit of CW rotation. The angle of it is not a good one and the tail and the body looks soft / blurry.

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N794AN : The quality of it is quiet marginal for me honestly. You can see that the sky is noisy especially those darker area and the areas under the wing.
UPS : Poor light condition and the level of it seems to need bit of CW rotation. The angle of it is not a good one and the tail and the body looks soft / blurry.

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For N794AN, will this shot have a chance of being passable after applying a pass of NR? As for the UPS, in addition to the blurry/soft, underexposed, and CW rotation rejections, will this shot be rejected for motive as well, as you have mentioned that the angle is not good?
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:37 pm

I don't think 794 has a shot. The original quality doesn't appear to be there, and the sky is starting to get blotchy from overuse of NR. I am doubtful about UPS as well, it appears blurry in spots.
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:09 pm

Thanks Preston; will bin both of these photos from queue and from further editing; I still have other shots of N794AN and will edit one of these shots further to be uploaded to the database.
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I have uploaded two shots of N794AN in different angles:
Angle 1: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... a5c40ddd4d
Angle 2: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 2acc9a7b2a

I have also applied edits based on the last N794AN photo that was uploaded but binned due to marginal quality. One of the shots will be deleted from queue due to double rejection rule, but let me know what you guys think of these photos and which ones would have a better chance of being accepted to the database.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:22 am

Light-wise angle 1 is much better, although both photos are a bit marginal.
 
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Light-wise angle 1 is much better, although both photos are a bit marginal.


Thanks Kas! I will delete angle 2 from the queue.
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N794AN Update: Photo is accepted to the database! Only one more to 100!

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Hi everyone! I have a Sun Country B738 landing at COU for the Wyoming Cowboys College Football charter:

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... ac02e80304

Let me know what you guys think!

Edit: will shots of a rare visitor that does not regularly visit an airport (such as this one for a College Football charter) qualify for priority screening? I had some photos like this de-prioritized for that matter.
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Tail and registration look blurry IMO.
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A/c looks blurry indeed.
I believe such photos qualify for priority screening, but you need to leave a note for the screeners about why it's special.
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This is one has pretty poor quality. Whole aircraft is blurry and noisy sky also UE.
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Blurry, quality, will not make it.
 
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Thanks everyone! Will definitely bin this one.
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Hi everyone! I have went ahead and reworked on some photos from 2017 and earlier, all of which were rejected for either blurry or heat haze, or both; many of these were resized to 1024 pixels in width in order to mask one of these would-be non-fixable rejections; some photos were rejected for something else, such as noise, underexposure, and low contrast, all of which were fixed.

N16546: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0882cd0a6e
N945WN: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 1e8a7dfbd5
N722YX: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0812ab0465
N412YX: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 82b8590560
N499CA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e192cc68be
N739MA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e61bb9f4fc
PH-HSA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... d231f1e6bd
N326MS: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 1e9b69274c
N465TW: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 029e06bdaa
N900UM: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... fd80ecce53
N205CA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 3b6351ab58
N732MA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e1d371aa32

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:05 pm

First of all I'm not a fan of "masking". If the photo isn't good at full-size, just throw it in the bin. Quality over quantity.
Most of these won't make it. You might have a chance with N722YX/N412YX/N739MA, although they are oversharped, so they will require some more editing.
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First of all I'm not a fan of "masking". If the photo isn't good at full-size, just throw it in the bin. Quality over quantity.
Most of these won't make it. You might have a chance with N722YX/N412YX/N739MA, although they are oversharped, so they will require some more editing.


While I'm not initially in favor in masking (such as resizing from the usual width of 1280 to 1024), I do have a dozen first uploaded photos that I started out with 1024 pixels wide and I figured out that since few of the photos that I've reworked that were blurry at 1280 but now passable at 1024, I decided to give another try with these slightly blurry photos; I will rework N722YX/N412YX/N739MA and let the other screeners decide on the remaining photos; thanks!
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Here are the updated photos for:

N412YX: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... f9e486f4b4
N722YX: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0a5a2120fd
N739MA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 3a0813b4d6

Disregard the above registrations in the earlier post, as all three were redone and reuploaded to address potential OS rejections.

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Re: Pre-screening photos - fsx98

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:26 am

N412YX: There's some weird reflection going on with the vertical stabilizer.
N722YX: Noisy sky and a bit hazed.

The link to N739MA is broken BTW.

Edit: 739MA looks soft/blurry in some spots as well as the sky being noisy.
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Re: Pre-screening photos - fsx98

Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:12 am

Thanks Evan! I will absolutely be binning N412YX but I will still have other screeners give input on the other photos before deciding whether or not to bin the others in queue.
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Re: Pre-screening photos - fsx98

Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:00 am

I have uploaded an re-edited version of N739MA w/ another pass of sharpening and noise reduction:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... cd99be71ca
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Re: Pre-screening photos - fsx98

Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:14 am

I have added a downsized photo of N830AN, previously rejected for soft, noise, and heat haze:
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... a3fe744a31
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Re: Pre-screening photos - fsx98

Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:46 am

I have resized this photo to mask heat haze:

N883NN & N828AA: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e5839efd4c
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