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dfu
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Screening issues

Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:57 pm

Would someone like to help me understand how if the picture on the left here gets rejected for being "oversharpened" (I see some of that), the right one is deemed "soft" and rejected for that reason?
These are 100 and 200% zooms, respectively.
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Image

Originals at
https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5605401
https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5622445

Also, screeners bemoaned a "spec" (sic), which in fact is a bird. Are birds to be deleted? What other parts of nature surrounding the plane in the picture are to be removed?

Another image rejected for being "soft" was https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5622439,
while https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5608671 was accepted.

100% comparison:
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(Hint: the one on the right was rejected for being "soft" and of low quality)

Along with another one, these images led to my account being temporarily banned with the kind advice to "consider my actions".
I would, if screening were more consistent and decisions reproducible, or if the line between "soft" and "oversharpened" weren't so thin.
 
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Re: Screening issues

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:08 pm

Hi, the links from your photocorner are not working. Better to link the location when opened in a separate page. The comparison I was able to see. The AirBridgeCargo on the left shows a lot of jaggies on the cheatlines and texts. So there is a lot of difference in my opinion with the one on the right. Strange that you are banned, because rejections only are not a reason for banning as far as I know.
 
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Re: Screening issues

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Links to your photo corner don't work for this purpose, it always takes the user to his/her own photo corner.

ABC originals:
Soft - https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 4dbdbf6ed2
OS - https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0331d6f6c3

The version rejected for soft isn't actually soft, it's already quite oversharpened. That explains why the OS version is SUPER oversharpened. Not ticking the correct box is our bad, although the 'soft' version was already quite jaggy looking. The image is likely heat haze affected. We prefer that unidentifyable specks in the sky are removed.

Rejected image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e0c30e6d99
Accepted image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... d058cc57a1
For the latter, the wing and engine look blurry/hazed and you got lucky with this one. Quite borderline. And with borderline images, some might get accepted, some get rejected. Despite that they may look similar.

spompert wrote:
Strange that you are banned, because rejections only are not a reason for banning as far as I know.

The ban is for continously uploading poor quality images at sizes that the quality doesn't support. Despite us asking him not to.
 
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Re: Screening issues

Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:31 pm

airkas1 wrote:
Links to your photo corner don't work for this purpose, it always takes the user to his/her own photo corner.

So how do I post correct links? Testing, one, two: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 4dbdbf6ed2


airkas1 wrote:
Rejected image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e0c30e6d99
Accepted image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... d058cc57a1
For the latter, the wing and engine look blurry/hazed and you got lucky with this one. Quite borderline. And with borderline images, some might get accepted, some get rejected. Despite that they may look similar.


But that doesn't explain how the rejected picture is "soft" - or was the wrong button hit in two cases? In comparison, it is hardly softher than the accepted one.

airkas1 wrote:
spompert wrote:
Strange that you are banned, because rejections only are not a reason for banning as far as I know.

The ban is for continously uploading poor quality images at sizes that the quality doesn't support. Despite us asking him not to.

Comments were on individual images, no reason to assume you'd go that far. And the only comment that could be taken like that came after I uploaded the latest rejects... I find it hard to agree with the rejections at times, esp. with the thin line between "soft" and "oversharpened", not the first time I've encountered it.
 
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Re: Screening issues

Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:36 pm

dfu wrote:

airkas1 wrote:
Rejected image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e0c30e6d99
Accepted image: https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... d058cc57a1
For the latter, the wing and engine look blurry/hazed and you got lucky with this one. Quite borderline. And with borderline images, some might get accepted, some get rejected. Despite that they may look similar.


But that doesn't explain how the rejected picture is "soft" - or was the wrong button hit in two cases? In comparison, it is hardly softher than the accepted one.



Guess that will remain a mystery....
 
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Re: Screening issues

Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:40 pm

No mystery. Soft and Oversharp often go hand in hand. The rejected image also looks blurry and the contrast is way off; take a look at the main landing gear, its just a black blob, no shadow detail at all.

Easiest thing to do is look at previously accepted images of the subject in question and go from there.

 
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Re: Screening issues

Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:50 pm

clickhappy wrote:
Easiest thing to do is look at previously accepted images of the subject in question and go from there.


Only this wasn't the image I was talking about, nor the plane....
 
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Re: Screening issues

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:04 pm

You’re missing the point,
Point is he said to look at similar images to get an idea of how yours need to look.
Also that your images lack shadow detail, and don’t have the best over-all quality.
I speak for everyone when I say that you should:
A: Read the upload guidelines ( viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1426915 )

B: Only shoot photos in the early morning or the evening.

Tim
 
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Re: Screening issues

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:45 pm

The LH Regional looks rather sharp, but hazed as well. Did you apply clarity to the image? It kinda looks like that/similar.
 
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dfu
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Re: Screening issues

Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:40 am

airkas1 wrote:
The LH Regional looks rather sharp, but hazed as well. Did you apply clarity to the image? It kinda looks like that/similar.

No, I didn't, and I don't assume you are suggesting I should have... Where do you see haze? It wasn't the brightest of sunshine on that day, that's for sure.

Crosswindphoto wrote:
You’re missing the point,
Point is he said to look at similar images to get an idea of how yours need to look.


As it were, you are missing the point here - I asked specifically how the LH Regional plane is "soft", when at least the fuselage looks sharper to me than the one that was accepted... Nothing to do with shadows. Your "I speak for everyone" is rather condescending, by the way.
 
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Re: Screening issues

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:54 pm

Condescending? Not really, anyone on here will tell you what I said.
He said you should overall look at images accepted here and compare them to yours, not a certain image, etc.

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