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Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:05 pm
by Deepgreen
I would much appreciate some pre-screening thoughts on the attached photo, please.

DSC03742gimp1850p300a.jpg

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:10 pm
by airkas1
The link doesn't work.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:18 pm
by Deepgreen
I was hoping for pre-screening on a photo not yet in the A.net system, and therefore I simply tried to copy and paste my image into my message. Is this not possible on A.net? Do images that are seeking pre-screening somehow need to be in the A.net system before the viewing can take place? Sorry to be dim, but I have never encountered a website where it is seemingly so hard to simply attach an image (my inexperience with the site rather than anything else, I'm sure).

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:10 pm
by Kaphias
Drag and drop your image here: https://imgur.com/upload?beta

Post > hidden

Copy link

Paste in your post

EX: https://imgur.com/a/1wb2Jpt

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:18 pm
by Deepgreen
https://imgur.com/a/neOUUSL

Kaphias - many thanks for the advice - hope it works.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:34 pm
by spompert
Hello, photo is oversharpened, white border below, over edited sky/artifacts/unnatural looking sky, too loose crop, noisy in the shadow areas like under the wings, yellow cast.
Greets Stefan

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:44 pm
by Deepgreen
Based on the thoughts from 'spompert' (for which many thanks), amended version here:

https://imgur.com/a/I2KtQnl

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:51 pm
by spompert
Strong vignetting, halos (around the tail and above front fuselage), still a bit yellow to me, oversharpened and too loose crop.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:01 pm
by Deepgreen
Great - thanks again. Final version before I submit:
https://imgur.com/a/ThIbC4n

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:10 pm
by spompert
Still halos around the plane and oversharpened. There is no use in uploading if you aks me. What is your editing process? The halos mostly appear with lifting shadows, don`t you see them? How did you sharpen the plane? I might be wrong but I can see a lot of jaggies all around.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:27 pm
by Deepgreen
Edited with 'photos' on MacBookPro and 'Pixlr'. Initially sharpened to around +95% then reduced to around +70% after your first thoughts. I initially took a dropper colour sample of the blue sky on 'Pixlr' and replaced the whole sky to guarantee elimination of the halos, but your view was that it looked wrong. Reverted to original sky and removed 'brilliance' enhancement completely which reduced the halos significantly. Halos are a mystery to me - the original, completely unedited, shot looks to have them so I am starting to doubt myself when I think I see them.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:41 pm
by Crosswindphoto
Top tip: Don't edit on Pixlr.
Its terrible, You need to get Lightroom to edit properly.

Tim

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:24 pm
by Deepgreen
Thank you Tim. I suspect 'Lightroom' will be way beyond my non-professional photographer capabilities!

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:27 pm
by airkas1
Any other Photoshop program will do as well. The photo doesn't seem bad per se, but the issue is the post-processing.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:50 pm
by Deepgreen
I have tried a quick dabble in 'Lightroom' and came up with this:
https://imgur.com/a/bVl6DqY

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:58 am
by TheJetSet
Deepgreen wrote:
I have tried a quick dabble in 'Lightroom' and came up with this:
https://imgur.com/a/bVl6DqY


Looks a little high in the frame dude

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:20 am
by Crosswindphoto
A touch high in frame, and the halos are still present (although much less noticeable).
Walk us through your editing process, from there we can identify where the halos are coming from.

Kas is right, Photoshop will work too, however, Lightroom is a little more basic, but made by the same people.

Tim

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:36 am
by airkas1
Deepgreen wrote:
I have tried a quick dabble in 'Lightroom' and came up with this:
https://imgur.com/a/bVl6DqY


Much better already, but can agree to the bit HIF (try equal distance nosetop of frame and hor.stab./bottom of frame).

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:18 am
by Deepgreen
Thanks to all once again. HIF is obviously easy and I've had another look at the halos with fresh eyes this morning!. The basic, un-edited image simply had the exposure increased by about 20%, with no definition increase and a 40ish% sharpness increase. Noise was reduced and contrast increased very slightly. Worth also bearing in mind that the very low December sun with high cloud covering it did produce a slightly yellow tint, but I've reduced this a shade too.
https://imgur.com/a/4E7pXzz

I've applied similar edits to this one, too:
https://imgur.com/O0EWTLe

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:48 pm
by Crosswindphoto
Still halos on both. Are you playing with the highlight and/or shadow sliders at all?

Tim

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:05 pm
by Deepgreen
A little highlight reduction and no shadow changes. What would be your recommendations for halo removal?

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:50 pm
by Crosswindphoto
The first thing would be not to much either slider, if anything only a slight bump of the highlights or shadows, rarely should you reduce either of them.

Sometimes too much sharpening will cause them, what are your sharpening settings, can you post a screenshot (of your whole editing window)?

Tim

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:05 pm
by Deepgreen
Here:
https://imgur.com/a/MA0R0To

I think halos are my biggest blind spot so your help is much appreciated.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:20 pm
by Crosswindphoto
Put the clarity & texture slider at 0, and leave it there.

Can you post another further up the screen? Showing blacks, shadows, highlights, etc.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:46 pm
by Deepgreen
Absolutely - clarity and texture to 0, remainder as was:
https://imgur.com/a/gPMm4zK

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:29 pm
by Crosswindphoto
Theres the problem, the highlights at -63. that should be at zero or greater.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:56 pm
by Deepgreen
OK - here is the next (final?) version with highlights at 0. Do you think this is now suitable for submission?

https://imgur.com/a/i7w5IMc

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:36 am
by Crosswindphoto
Looks ok. Post BA with the changes.

Re: Pre-screening, please.

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:39 pm
by Deepgreen
Thank you very much for your time and help. My photographic 'career' has been much more about railways, landscapes and wildlife, and aviation presents a special set of issues!