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Post-screening questions

Mon May 25, 2020 3:09 am

[will now post my post-screening questions in this topic]

Hi all,

Just had this photo rejected for the second time (actually the 4th if you count the two appeals). Wondering if anybody can point out what exactly is wrong with it:

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 425bbf3145

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed May 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Hi,

The body of the aircraft has obvious magenta cast for me, and it also can be brighter slightly.

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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:14 pm

Got some confusing rejections again; hopefully somebody can help me to improve the following photos:

1. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 068147.jpg

2. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 068149.jpg

3. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 070035.jpg
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:06 am

dutchspotter1 wrote:
Got some confusing rejections again; hopefully somebody can help me to improve the following photos:

1. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 068147.jpg

2. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 068149.jpg

3. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 070035.jpg


What were those rejections for?
 
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:53 pm

I didn't mention that on purpose to see if others come up with the same rejection reason as the screeners. If that is the case then I can actually learn from it and pay more attention to that aspect while editing any future photos :)
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:02 pm

I’m not going to play second guess the screener games.

Perhaps the screener will chime in. I had some thoughts, but I’ll wait.
 
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:55 pm

That's fine, I appreciate the help either way.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:42 pm

UAL 777 looks fine to me. My United shots seem to have the same color cast.

Those three other rejections look fine quality wise to me, but they do seem a bit high in the frame for the current screening standards (I’ve had a couple of rejections for the same). As a result I’ve started making an effort to crop slightly lower.

They are all nice images :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Post-screening questions

Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:09 pm

All 4 images look perfectly acceptable to me.

UA 777 just looks like a late afternoon sun giving the airplane a slight color cast.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:46 pm

What I see:

Air Canada A330: Slight pink hue to it; not a show stopper but fixable.
KLM T7: Passable
ElAL T7: Soft in the nose area.

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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:27 pm

Once again I'm somewhat confused by the following rejected photos:

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 113155.jpg

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 113153.jpg

First both were rejected for "soft", then on appeal they were rejected for "HIF". So who should I believe, the main screener or the head screener? The main screener doesn't think these are HIF, but he does think both are soft, whereas the headscreener thinks the exact opposite.

I'm curious if these two photos are really high in frame or if it's still within acceptable limits. Technically I'd agree that the two are HIF, but when adding more blue sky on top, the a/c will look LIF due to the ratio between sky and ground. Therefore the above photos look still centered to me.

I tried to find out what limits are acceptable and I'm curious if the above two photos are looking higher in frame than the following:







Thanks in advance for the feedback/clarification.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:13 pm

The images that were rejected are HIF. It is apparent if you look at a thumbnail sized version. From the screening log, the Head Screener expressed his apologies for it not being mentioned in the initial screening. It is not unusual to have new issues identified on appeal. The 737 does looks soft in parts (window line and titles). The A320 looks passable to me. The degree of acceptable softness is a subjective call. I am guessing that the HS thought it was acceptable. I probably would have called it out if I was handling this appeal.

I believe if you adjust the centering on these images and give it some additional sharpening and resubmit them it should be OK.

I agree that the other examples you cited do look HIF. Will address those outside of this thread.

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Re: Post-screening questions

Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:39 pm

I'm puzzled. Both your images look fine to me (as does the Correndon 737 you linked — except for it looking slightly unlevel). And they'd remain fine even if the subjects were lowered considerably. HIF/LIF here seem to constitute one screener's view, then it all changes when that screener leaves the team and the next takes it upon himself to apply his own preferences.

There needs to be more flexibility — I guarantee if you search through the last week's uploads you'll find images in which the subject is far higher/lower in frame than the examples above.

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Re: Post-screening questions

Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:03 am

Thank you both for your input.

jelpee wrote:
From the screening log, the Head Screener expressed his apologies for it not being mentioned in the initial screening. It is not unusual to have new issues identified on appeal.

The question is, why wasn't it mentioned on the initial screening? Because (a) the screener forgot or (b) the screener considered it to be within acceptable limits. I'm sure the HS concerned will say it's (a) but I wonder if these things are actually being discussed between the screener and HS before the verdict on the appeal. That would ultimately help both the screener (getting better at his job to provide constructive feedback) and the photographer (getting better at editing his photos), leading to fewer appeals, shorter screening queues, higher quality photos, etc, etc.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:48 pm

Curious if other people think this one is right in frame and underexposed:

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 34dd456f48
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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:36 am

It's clearly right in frame based on what I understand the standards here to be. Personally, I'd crop it so that the distance from the nose to the edge of the frame and tail come to edge of the frame were equal (and still show the h-stab), but that's not acceptable either...
 
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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:43 am

So what should be taken into account regarding centering: the tip of the rear end of the fuselage (i.e. nose-to-tail) or the tip of the horizontal stabilizer? Based on the first option it's actually left in frame.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:56 am

Are we looking at the same photo, the KLM 772? I don`t see anything that has to do with right in frame. It looks only a tight crop on the right side to me or not cropped even with the left side, but not really a problem if you ask me.
 
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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:07 pm

Let me weigh in. The aircraft is technically right in frame. Unlike High/Low in Frame which looks at the perspective and impact of the tail, for Right/left in Frame, it is generally equidistance from the ends of the airplane. In your case, it would be from the nose to the left edge, and the tip of the horizontal stabilizer to the right edge.

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Re: Post-screening questions

Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:25 pm

Many thanks for the clarification! Will keep this in mind when editing my photos.
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Re: Post-screening questions

Sun May 02, 2021 7:53 pm

Hi all,

Can anybody point out the difference in exposure between these three photos (of which the first one got rejected):

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... e816bd7873





Many thanks for your help.
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