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evall95
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Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:50 am

Hey guys I'm back again. I have just arrived at my holiday destination in Phuket which I flew from Adelaide to Phuket via Kuala Lumpur. I flew on a pretty new MH A333 which was really nice and the windows were pretty clean so I thought I might try and get some shots. I have edited these shots to the best of my ability and would like some feedback on them.

Thanks  http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...059278045/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...059284447/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...059294115/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...059327587/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:58 am

Hello! The pictures youve taken arent overly bad, however window shots generally need to have good motive as well as quality. The only real problems Im seeing with your particular shots is that they are soft perhaps even blurry. You can always try and edit it, but sometimes the issue is beyond repair. Anyway, Good Luck!  
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:04 am

1.) Overexposed, low contrast, level, blurry.
2.) Motive.
3.) Low contrast, looks a bit off-level, oversharpened.
4.) Overexposed, low contrast, soft, maybe a bit high in frame (I would also crop this at 3:2). Light isn't great either - sun is overhead.

Without seeing the originals, I'd say #3 is the only one that might have a shot with a good edit.
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evall95
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:40 am

what is the motive issue for the second one?

Can you do a better edit with any of them if I give you the originals?

Thanks  
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 3):
what is the motive issue for the second one?

I'm not a screener, but there's just nothing interesting in the shot to justify the crop (having a tiny bit of wing/winglet and not much else).

Quoting evall95 (Reply 3):
Can you do a better edit with any of them if I give you the originals?

Possibly. I'm not that good at window shots, but I'll give one a try if you want.

Quoting evall95 (Reply 4):
what about this one?

I like the angle, but it's unlevel, low on contrast, and soft.
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:19 am

As mentioned, they all have multiple quality issues.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
what is the motive issue for the second one?

Not much to see. Images with just the tip of the wing and not much else don't have a great chance.

Quoting evall95 (Reply 3):
what about this one?

Unlevel, flat, and a bit dark.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:09 am

with the second one there is actually another plane plane flying the opposite direction so thats what i was trying to get but maybe it is not close enough.

I have re edited the photos. how do they look?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...913676044/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...059759641/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...913677178/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:25 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 7):
I have re edited the photos. how do they look?

The second will be your best chance. The light is not great on the first, but not an instant killer. The third just has too many quality issues, and is probably not fixable.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:20 am

So should I just throw them in the que and hope for the best best or is there anything else that I can do to improve the photos?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:46 pm

I would try to balance the bightness/contrast a bit better; they're currently verging on being overexposed in parts now, but are still flat.
 
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:15 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 11):
are these edits more balanced?

A bit better, yes.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:31 am

should the be acceptable?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:57 am

what about the shot with the contrail and the tip of the winglet. is there any way of getting it accepted or is the motive just not there.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting evall95 (Reply 13):
should the be acceptable?

Should the what be acceptable?

Quoting evall95 (Reply 14):
what about the shot with the contrail and the tip of the winglet. is there any way of getting it accepted or is the motive just not there.

Not enough wing, really. Sorry.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:50 am

sorry about that I got auto corrected. Should the 2 photos be acceptable?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:54 am

First one probably not, the second one probably yes.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:17 am

the first one still has the problem of a bit over exposed but still a bit flat right? If so I will try and fix it a bit more and throw it in the que. Thanks for your help on these 2 photos  
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:05 am

Im back again. I was looking through the photos that I took on the flight and I thought that they were pretty good. Sorry to annoy you but do these 2 have any chance of being accepted?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...920398090/in/photostream/lightbox/

does this need more contrast?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...066479705/in/photostream/lightbox/

Is this too soft?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 19):
does this need more contrast?

Yes. Also looks un-level, and the color looks a bit weird to me, though I couldn't tell you exactly how to fix it.

Quoting evall95 (Reply 19):
Is this too soft?

I'd say so. Looks slightly blurry to me.
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:40 am

yes the colour does look weird to me aswell but i think it is because it was quite a foggy,cloudy day. I guess you will tend to get that in most Asian countries.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 21):
yes the colour does look weird to me aswell but i think it is because it was quite a foggy,cloudy day

It's probably partly that. But any shot taken out of a window at a reasonable altitude usually suffers from low contrast and color casts (at least in my experience). Looking again, it looks like a cyan cast.
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:53 am

The first two were better than these, and you do realize there is a limit to the number of window views you can upload per flight, right? The latter two would certainly be considered double if from the same flight.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:50 am

No I didn't know that but I just wanted to upload 1 of the 2 last ones. Which one has the best chance that I can try and work on and fix?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:15 pm

The only one I see having a decent chance is this one. The others are borderline at best.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:53 am

 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 26):
how do these look?

Soft and very low contrast. Level also off on the first.
 
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:17 am

Contrast is still low, the first one's still soft, and the second one is a weird mix of soft and oversharp (probably a good indicator that the quality isn't there).
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:05 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 28):
are these any better?

Slightly, but probably not enough to get them accepted, especially when there's not much compelling in the frame - the first is just clouds, and the second is too hazy to really see anything on the ground.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:27 am

so are you saying that even if I sharpen them and add more contrast they will not be accepted?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:07 am

The contrast/quality is the main issue. For rare or interesting shots, there is usually a little leniency, but I don't think these fall into those categories, so you would need to have the quality perfect. Basically, they wouldn't be worth the effort if they were mine, but don't let my opinion stop you if you really want to try.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:12 am

I've gone back and looked eat my shots and tried to find some that are not just winglet and wing but have other interesting things in the frame.

firstly how is this shot. it looks slightly uneven to me but I have levelled it with the light post. how is the contrast/brightness, sharpness and overall quality. with fixing or left like that how do my chances look?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...089899151/in/photostream/lightbox/

how about this one? looks ok to my eyes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...089909061/in/photostream/lightbox/

and lastly this one. the colours look weird to me. maybe not enough contrast. any suggestions?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...089915191/in/photostream/lightbox/

thanks
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 am

All of them have very poor contrast. The first does need cw rotation.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:27 am

 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:14 pm

First is almost ok (contrast still off), but the second and third aren't even close.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:25 pm

ok thanks for that. i won't bother with the last 2. by the way do the last 2 have many quality issues?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:02 pm

Yes, pretty bad contrast & softness issues, caused by shooting through the aircraft window. It's pretty hard to get good quality shooting through several layers of (often dirty & scratched) plexiglass.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:59 am

Yes it is very difficult. Especially landing shots when it has just touched down and you want to keep a steady hand. O well I am lucky that I flew on pretty new planes so the windows were ok and I'm happy that I've got one photo from my trip accepted  
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 40):
hows this shot?

Quite blurry.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:14 am

it was taken with a wide angle. does it have any chance?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:23 am

lukily I took some shots with my normal lens. it doesn't look as blurry.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7314729...098083291/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting evall95 (Reply 42):
does it have any chance?

No.

Quoting evall95 (Reply 43):
lukily I took some shots with my normal lens

Better, but still not quite right. Were you using a tripod?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:36 am

No I wasn't. What's wrong with it? Still blurry?
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:48 am

Blurry or out of focus and also not the best motive. The two girders are too prominent in my opinion.

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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting evall95 (Reply 45):
No I wasn't. What's wrong with it? Still blurry?

Yes, still blurry. If you shot that hand-held, it's probably motion blur, and not fixable.
 
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RE: Window Shots - Evall95

Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:07 am

dammit haha. thanks guys  

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