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Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:51 pm

Just thought I'd take a leaf from some others here and stick to one thread for my pictures. Mods, please feel free to close the other three that are still open.

Anyway, I thought I'd start with this one:

http://i1.minus.com/irdrCY4TAAm1r.jpg

I feel it is quite sharp even at 1600px. It was taken at 100mm, and is only *very* lightly cropped. I haven't played with it too much because I feel I got it mostly right in camera. I just pulled the highlights in a bit and kicked up contrast a shade. Level is okay - the wall over the right wing is following a dip in terrain. Centering seems a little low to me personally, but I've tried to keep in line with Dana's recent recommendations to take gear and tailfins into account along with the fuselage.

So my primary concerns are exposure (too bright?) and sharpness (could it use a downsize to 1200px?)

Thanks for your consideration and advice.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:35 am

O-kay... *crickets*

Could I perhaps get an opinion on this one?

http://i1.minus.com/iOc2sWZ5WQUXn.jpg

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:11 pm

Second one looks a bit low in the frame and soft towards the front, or maybe blurry. Not to big of a deal, but it could benefit (in my eyes) from a bit tighter crop on the left.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:35 pm

Thanks for the input DL. I've shifted the bird a little higher and done some selective sharpening around the nose. Also cropped in a bit closer.

http://i6.minus.com/i5AkNF6uRNYIK.jpg

I think it looks a fair bit better. Good enough to stick in the queue? How about the first? Do you reckon it's passable at 1600px or should I downsize to 1400 or thereabouts for safety?

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:45 pm

Second may be a bit flat and might have a bit of a cyan cast, but have Dana look at it before putting in the queue. I don't have any photos on the site (working on it), but I have some on the "other" site, so my eyes tend toward that site. As for the first, might also be a tad flat, but not much. The jetwash distorting the left wing adds a nice element, but I would put it at 1400 for insurance. But once again, ask Dana before sticking in the queue.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:38 pm

Haha, ok, I'll wait for Dana to weigh in.

I get the "flat" thing, but its just the conditions down there really. Permanently drab, unless of course you're shooting up into the sky with the sun behind you. Oh well. Let's see what Dana or any of the other screeners think.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:42 am

I've got two more, can't decide between either shot.

http://i3.minus.com/ibw2cfQs7EqhJ8.jpg

http://i3.minus.com/i2tzYMAVrI6T6.jpg

Would be grateful for any comments and advice.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 6):
I've got two more

First is too blurry to fix; second is soft with maybe a touch of blur, but may be fixable. It also has dust spots everywhere.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:18 pm

Thanks Dana. I've ditched the KF bird and stuck to KT212 - took care of the dust spots, added one more level of sharpening, and downsized to help with the quality issues.

http://i4.minus.com/iblXJ9Yui6WdwA.jpg

Does this look any better? Also, could you comment on the possible cyan cast that DL747 pointed out in the earlier image ( http://i6.minus.com/i5AkNF6uRNYIK.jpg )? I don't see it but even if it's there, I have no idea how to fix a colour cast, and the editing/rejection guides don't really cover it besides some basic stuff on white balance that I fiddled with but didn't really seem appropriate.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 8):
and downsized to help with the quality issues.

Still a bit soft toward the front.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 8):
Also, could you comment on the possible cyan cast that DL747 pointed out in the earlier image

There is no cyan cast. Multiple dust spots though.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 9):
Still a bit soft toward the front.
http://i7.minus.com/ibishDsVcrG2f8.jpg

Better?

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 9):
There is no cyan cast. Multiple dust spots though.

Goody. Fixed the dust spots.

http://i2.minus.com/irYQEeVAy4qZP.jpg

If that's it for these two, I'll put them in the queue after my current ones are dealt with.

Once again, thanks for taking the time to help us newbies out.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:16 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 10):
Better?

Still borderline soft.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 10):
Fixed the dust spots.

Dust spots seem to be gone.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:07 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 11):
Still borderline soft.

Is this better?

http://i6.minus.com/igj2MYoBpYKmm.jpg

I don't want to push too much for fear of inducing grain. If you think I have some margin in terms of grain in the sky and/or elsewhere, I'll kick it up a little more. But then the tail might head into over-sharpened territory...

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 11):
Dust spots seem to be gone.

Cool. Good enough for the queue as it is?

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:35 am

Just had this rejected for low in frame:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...491023.8782ajs37-viggen-se-dxn.jpg

Makes sense - I'm used to eyeballing composition with a bias toward negative space, so I have to work against my nature for a.net shots. If I fix the crop, will it be good to go as it is, or should I change up anything else as well?

Also,

Quoting angad84 (Reply 12):

Is this better?

http://i6.minus.com/igj2MYoBpYKmm.jpg

and

Quoting angad84 (Reply 12):

http://i2.minus.com/irYQEeVAy4qZP.jpg
Cool. Good enough for the queue as it is?
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:45 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 13):
Just had this rejected for low in frame:

Centering is acceptable, you can appeal that. Just make sure you state your own reason for appealing and don't say "I was told to appeal by..."

Quoting angad84 (Reply 13):
Also,

Both are not too bad, but will still be borderline.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:58 am

Thanks Dana.

Will take a chance with those two Mirage shots and see what happens. Appeal for the Viggen is in.

As a side note, this shot got accepted

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Swede...Air/Saab-JAS-39C-Gripen/2213893/L/

So thanks helping out in my other thread  

EDIT: Whoa, that was QUICK! The Viggen is in the database now.

[Edited 2013-01-15 23:57:20]
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:16 pm

So I had a pretty successful day today, with three out of four accepted. Looks like I'm getting the hang of this editing stuff.

However, this one was rejected for "soft" and "dark"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...7490678.059hkp14-k43-nh90-swaf.jpg

Hindsight being what it is, I see it right away. But I like the shot and tried to salvage it with this

http://i6.minus.com/ibhL1lfoUGiKPB.jpg

Is it all right or will it take more work?

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 16):
Is it all right or will it take more work?

Looks a bit better, but still not the best light.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:38 am

Ok, I pulled in the background and dumped more light on the heli.

http://i4.minus.com/i4FVI1JtTx1mF.jpg

Is that ok?
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:18 pm

Also, would something like this pass muster, or should I abandon the idea of editing this batch of night shots altogether?

http://i1.minus.com/iwfIr6vGhrNNq.jpg

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 18):
Ok, I pulled in the background and dumped more light on the heli.

Bit flat, but looks better.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 19):
Also, would something like this pass muster

As it is, no. Noisy, soft, flat, level, etc...
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:33 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 20):
Bit flat, but looks better.

Good enough to put in the queue after a little contrast boost?

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 20):
As it is, no. Noisy, soft, flat, level, etc...

Figured as much. I was shooting handheld at ISO1600, and the lighting in those shelters is really dodgy. I'll just scratch the idea of processing the night shots for A.net.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Sorry, was posting from another computer, so couldn't share the contrast-boosted version of the HKP14

http://i6.minus.com/ivjDkmQCnsz1w.jpg

Does that look all right for upload?
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 22):
Does that look all right for upload?

No promises, but worth a try.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 23):
No promises, but worth a try.

Haha, fair enough.

I'm still plowing through a huge batch of IAF Mirage shots, and this one stands out - in that I like it and think it's unique (not too many IAF shots here, and even fewer of three birds of any type lined up in the open) - but it is quite viciously backlit. I have done what I could with the processing, and wonder if it is acceptable in roughly this state:

http://i4.minus.com/ibqHj0PkehPiOw.jpg

I know there's some grain, I can work on that. It's just that if the rest of the shot isn't going to pass muster, I will just keep it for the archive.

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 24):
I know there's some grain, I can work on that.

Grain is not an issue, but it is backlit/very low contrast. Not sure if it is fixable.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 25):
Grain is not an issue, but it is backlit/very low contrast. Not sure if it is fixable.

I feared as much. Oh well, to the bin with it.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:14 pm

Just had this rejected for contrast, exposure, quality, with personal comment "harsh overexposure"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...29.3075kf111-iaf-m2000h-1400px.jpg

I looked at the file, because I was sure there must have been some mistake. There was - I had selected the wrong file for upload! After DL told me to downsize for insurance and mentioned that it looked flat, I dropped exposure a third of a stop, kicked up contrast and downsized to 1200px

This is what I ended up with (and had intended to upload).

http://i3.minus.com/ibz7PCZUNA6RNL.jpg

Still likely to get the boot or should I put it back in the queue?

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 27):
Still likely to get the boot or should I put it back in the queue?

Both look passable, though the second is a bit better.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:55 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 28):
Both look passable, though the second is a bit better.

That's heartening, will put the second into the queue once the present lot clears.

Now I've got this one that I'd like to see in the database - the combination of reheat and gear in motion give me a kick.

http://i2.minus.com/iSMS4xewuPhF4.jpg

But I feel like I'm borderline for grain/oversharpening. Does it look like I should give it some more work, or perhaps a downsize to 1024px, or am I just being paranoid?
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:42 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 29):
Does it look like I should give it some more work

I'd give it a tighter crop, and then post that version for a final check on the quality.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:20 am

Ok Dana, here's that tight crop.

http://i5.minus.com/ik5rkiRmCInxV.jpg
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 31):
here's that tight crop.

Not too bad, but will still be borderline. As there are already jaggies visible on the tail, I don't think sharpening it more will help much.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:42 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 32):
Not too bad, but will still be borderline. As there are already jaggies visible on the tail, I don't think sharpening it more will help much.

Thanks Dana, I think I will chance it for the next upload, but I get what you mean with regard to it being borderline.

Anyway, I had the opportunity to shoot some rotorcraft with the Army recently, so was wondering if this is ok. It's not backlit, just a horribly dull misty morning.

http://i4.minus.com/iCnOQd0tXhkwj.jpg

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:28 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 33):
was wondering if this is ok

Dirty, and a bit flat but otherwise should be passable.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:02 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 34):
Dirty, and a bit flat but otherwise should be passable.

Okay, I've just re-edited the whole thing from the ground up, removed the dirt as well. Better this time?

http://i6.minus.com/ibrf6AdnRcvAPW.jpg

Also, I got some other shots from the same day, in the same dodgy conditions. Wonder if I could get a quick yes/no on some of them.

1. Would this be rejected for centering? I wanted to include the rotor blades in their entirety, hence the space to the right of the heli.

http://i.minus.com/i64sBs7usn0xu.jpg

2. Would this qualify as an unmotivated crop? I like the light and fuselage details, but am worried that the oddly-truncated tail structure would lead to a rejection.

http://i.minus.com/ibnCMeGqSjl1hf.jpg

3. Which of these two is likelier to get accepted? I prefer the light on #1 but the angle on #2 is nicer, in my opinion.

#1 - http://i2.minus.com/i5SlYaS6wJDTM.jpg
#2 - http://i2.minus.com/iSVy3MoIed1Be.jpg

Many thanks

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:59 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
I've just re-edited the whole thing from the ground up

Better. Minor contrast/sharpening issues, but I'm guessing it's relatively rare, so should be passable.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
Would this be rejected for centering?

I don't think so.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
Would this qualify as an unmotivated crop?

No, should be fine.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
Which of these two is likelier to get accepted?

Both are flat, but I don't see much of a difference otherwise.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:57 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 36):
Better. Minor contrast/sharpening issues, but I'm guessing it's relatively rare, so should be passable.

Great. I'll save this for the queue. When uploading rare aircraft to the database, should one leave a note to the screeners, or does the team have a fair idea of what's scarce and what isn't?

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 36):
I don't think so.

Great, saved that for upload as well then.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 36):
No, should be fine.
Quoting dlowwa (Reply 36):
Both are flat, but I don't see much of a difference otherwise.

Just so I'm clear, I should only upload one of these three, or I will get a rejection because they're from the same sequence, correct? I think the close-up shot has the best quality, but if there is going to be only one in the database, it makes more sense to put the one that is the best representation of the aircraft ( http://i2.minus.com/iSVy3MoIed1Be.jpg ).
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:07 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 37):
When uploading rare aircraft to the database, should one leave a note to the screeners, or does the team have a fair idea of what's scarce and what isn't?

On the screening page, we have a link to all other images of that serial/registration, so we can see how many are already in the db.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 37):
ust so I'm clear, I should only upload one of these three

Which three images are you referring to?
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:06 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 38):
On the screening page, we have a link to all other images of that serial/registration, so we can see how many are already in the db.

Cool

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 38):
Which three images are you referring to?

The three shots of the HAL Lancer:

#1 - http://i.minus.com/ibnCMeGqSjl1hf.jpg
#2 - http://i2.minus.com/i5SlYaS6wJDTM.jpg
#3 - http://i2.minus.com/iSVy3MoIed1Be.jpg

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:48 pm

Personally I would go with the third. It looks sharpest and of overall best quality. It probably wouldn't be rejected for this, but, I think you could use a tighter crop on the left to give it a more balanced look. The first might work too, but the second has an awkward crop for me.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:04 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 39):
The three shots of the HAL Lancer:

Yes, they would be considered double, so you should upload only one.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting DL747 (Reply 40):
Personally I would go with the third

Likewise.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 41):
Yes, they would be considered double, so you should upload only one.

Righto. So how does this re-edit looks?

http://i2.minus.com/iBNqcGXuErnaT.jpg
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:44 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 42):
So how does this re-edit looks?

Borderline oversharpened.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:56 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 43):
Borderline oversharpened.

Hah! normally I'm always on the wrong side of the sharp-soft divide. Maybe if I overcorrect one way, I'll finally get the hang of the middle ground.

How's this?

http://i2.minus.com/i7VDLYoHE0xwU.jpg
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:36 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 44):
How's this?

You can give it a try, but the light & quality are still borderline.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:09 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 45):
You can give it a try, but the light & quality are still borderline.

Understood. If that doesn't go through, then I'll give the other one a try.

Moving on, couple more that I would like an opinion on.

1. Would this be rejected for motive (or anything else)? - http://i5.minus.com/ib0Io4yfo9aKjE.jpg

2. Is this okay in general? - http://i3.minus.com/ibuF9jUfYgZniQ.jpg

3. Is this passable, or poorly lit? The front feels okay, but the tailboom area looks harsh. - http://i7.minus.com/ibkB4lHpxPg3My.jpg


Also, that NH90/Hkp14B shot from earlier just got accepted today, so thanks for the help with that!

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 46):
Would this be rejected for motive (or anything else)? -

Motive is ok. A bit dark, and dirty. Do you check for dust spots before posting the images?

Quoting angad84 (Reply 46):
Is this okay in general? -

Oversharpened in places.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 46):
Is this passable, or poorly lit?

A bit bright.
 
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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:02 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 47):
Motive is ok. A bit dark, and dirty. Do you check for dust spots before posting the images?

I do my editing in Lightroom because it's much quicker especially for large batches. There's no 'Equalize' feature, so I often forget to check for dust before exporting. I'm working on making that step a habit however.

http://i1.minus.com/ibdlT7g31YXnpf.jpg

Better now?

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 47):
Oversharpened in places.

Yikes. Is this all right then?

http://i3.minus.com/i5yuCWWkNoOd8.jpg

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 47):
A bit bright.

And now?

http://i1.minus.com/ibfHhNdvdABkmA.jpg


Also, I just had this rejected for overexposure.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...8601946.2066m2000h-kf111-apron.jpg

Honestly, I think only the whites are a bit hot, But it does look somewhat bright and I obviously failed to adjust the WB properly on this because it looks much cooler/pinker than it should.

So would this pass muster if I resubmit?

http://i2.minus.com/irWmHHld2vufT.jpg

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RE: Pre-screening - Angad84

Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:07 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 48):
Better now?

Dirt is gone.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 48):
Is this all right then?

A bit yellow, but probably won't get a better balance with the sharpening.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 48):
And now?

Still bright.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 48):
Also, I just had this rejected for overexposure.

That should not have been rejected for overexposed.

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos