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PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:38 am

Sorry the old thread got canned because I haven't been able to respond.

I downloaded picasa software and made some edits on this shot I took today. One of my favorites.


Also, noob question: Where would I find the reg and code for this guy?

Again don't hold back  I got software now so I can work it out.

-Zach



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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:10 am

Can't comment on quality as it is below minimum upload size. Please put it at the said size, then we can have a look.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:20 am

Apologize on another noob question, but what's a good upload size? I checked the FAQs and couldn't find it.

-Zach

edit
found a thread on photo size- the edit was resized to over 800x600, but I used imageshack to post it.....what would be a good site?
Upload Problem- Photo Size (by Airplanenut Apr 16 2002 in Aviation Photography) there's the thread

[Edited 2013-01-27 20:22:52]
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
what's a good upload size?

Minimum size is 1000 pix, max 1600. We recommend you stick to 1024, unless you really know what you're doing.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Also, noob question: Where would I find the reg and code for this guy?

Usually on the tail, should be a six-digit number.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:54 am

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4553/dscn6805edited.jpg

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OK hows this
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:59 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
hows this

A little flat, and very soft, almost blurry.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:00 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 5):
A little flat, and very soft, almost blurry.

OK sharpened it up a bit:

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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:03 am

Still extremely soft, maybe blurry, in which case not fixable.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:09 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
sharpened it up a bit:

Brighter, but does not seem any sharper.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:23 am

I see....hmm Well I could adjust the sharpening a bit or else I may need to scrap it...

As I mentioned in the last thread I'm using a Nikon 2100 and this was at pretty close range....So is this a camera issue then?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:41 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
So is this a camera issue then?

It's possible, but couldn't really tell you without seeing the original.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:59 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 10):
It's possible, but couldn't really tell you without seeing the original.

ok here's where I started, straight outta the camera:

http://i49.tinypic.com/142yiav.jpg
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:04 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
ok here's where I started, straight outta the camera:

If you're shooting 1024x768 straight out of the camera, then yes, that will be a problem. Make sure you set it so that you are producing the maximum file size, not lower resolution images like this. For a Nikon 2100, max size should be 2048 x 1536.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 12):
If you're shooting 1024x768 straight out of the camera, then yes, that will be a problem. Make sure you set it so that you are producing the maximum file size, not lower resolution images like this. For a Nikon 2100, max size should be 2048 x 1536.

I think it shot at a higher resolution but let me tinker with the editing again and check back in with you.
edit:
here we go:

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[Edited 2013-01-28 17:41:40]
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
here we go:

Still soft, and terribly grainy now.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 14):
Still soft, and terribly grainy now.

OK I noticed the grainy-ness..... damn, so is this one a dump?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:31 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
so is this one a dump?

Like I said, impossible to say for sure without seeing the original.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:24 pm

ok here we go, here's more:

Resized on Imageshack to the format you wanted; photo will be re-sized to that size upon submission using editing software:

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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:41 pm

First is not even close to quality standards and blurry, so not fixable. Second also looks blurry and very distant (heat haze also.) I do not think both are fixable, and they for sure will not have a shot as is.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting DL747 (Reply 18):
First is not even close to quality standards and blurry, so not fixable. Second also looks blurry and very distant (heat haze also.) I do not think both are fixable, and they for sure will not have a shot as is.

Yeah I was afraid of that. This spotting location (40th and Salt River) is a very challanging location to shoot at if you don't have the right stuff. Alright I'll head out to AZA later this week with different settings and hopefully produce a better result.

Side note- When I get to Japan next month, I'll purchase a Nikon D3100 from Yodobashi....good choice or not?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:48 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
I'll purchase a Nikon D3100 from Yodobashi....good choice or not?

You won't find much difference between lower-end dslr bodies. The biggest factors influencing the quality will be what lens you put in front of it, and the user behind the camera.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:13 am

Just for grins I focused on this one for a few hours... how she look?

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Quoting dlowwa (Reply 20):
The biggest factors influencing the quality will be what lens you put in front of it,

So what kind of lens would you recommend for the front of it?

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 20):
and the user behind the camera.

Haaaaaaaaaaa I get it   Well the more practice, the better, right?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:30 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
how she look?

Blurry/soft/grainy/overall quality much too poor for here.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
So what kind of lens would you recommend for the front of it?

The best one you can afford, if you plan to make this a serous hobby. Otherwise, whatever best suits your needs.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:39 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 22):
The best one you can afford, if you plan to make this a serous hobby. Otherwise, whatever best suits your needs.

I guess I'm going to grab myself a D3100 and a Nikkor lens when I go to Japan. Also, I noticed in other threads that people have had technique issues....can I have some feedback on my technique?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:25 am

I was going through my old photos from MyAviation.net, and some people asked if I could edit this and submit it to Airliners.... is this edit-able, or not?

http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho..._search.php?id=00706952&size=large

[Edited 2013-02-21 20:25:39]
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
is this edit-able, or not?

You never know without trying, but the color cast looks pretty strong, and without having the RAW file, it might not be possible to correct it. Even if you were able, you'd still have to deal with the noise and softness, and although it's from 2006, the aircraft isn't that rare..
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:36 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 25):
You never know without trying, but the color cast looks pretty strong, and without having the RAW file, it might not be possible to correct it. Even if you were able, you'd still have to deal with the noise and softness, and although it's from 2006, the aircraft isn't that rare..

I'd have to seriously dig around my house in ohio to find the RAW file   

Yeah i understand about the rareness.... 2006 is not old in my sense of the words. I'll try working with what I can, and get back to you soon.

As far as the camera goes, that's gonna have to wait another month till I get to Japan.... and also, you didn't really say anything about my technique....how goes everything that you've seen from me, in terms of technique? Is everything alright in terms of framing, centering, cropping, etc?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
and also, you didn't really say anything about my technique....how goes everything that you've seen from me, in terms of technique?

I'd suggest looking through the db for images similar to what you're hoping to have accepted. The only image you've posted that is close to what normally gets accepted is the Harriers. The crops are much too lose on the others. Make the effort to browse the db a bit, and then if you have specific questions about composition, etc, come back and ask them.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:09 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 27):
he crops are much too lose on the others. Make the effort to browse the db a bit, and then if you have specific questions about composition, etc, come back and ask them.

Well I was hoping that something like the crops would've been brought up when I originally posted the shot. Crops are something I can handle in post-production. I'll post an example tomorrow when I get my laptop back. Is there any other things you suggest I should try when taking the actual shot itself?

The spotting area I frequent most is this one:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kory Crohn - PHX Spotters
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Todd Martin

 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:36 am

My buddy today helped me with some settings, and i'm pleased with the results:

Hope you are too

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8505739052/in/photostream
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:28 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
suggest I should try when taking the actual shot itself?

Read the editing guide and rejection guide for help on this. For the shots you posted that others took from that local, the quality is very good. Your camera simply is not capable of producing images like that from that far away. With regards to the 320, is looks soft, dark, perhaps a bit yellow, maybe blurry in the belly and far left, in which case it isn't fixable. It might be best to wait for an slr before attempting to upload here. Also familiarize yourself with the basics of photography, as has been mentioned.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting DL747 (Reply 30):
It might be best to wait for an slr before attempting to upload here

I am not familiar with the Coolpix L120, but I think any modern bridge camera should be capable of taking A.net quality photos in the right circumstances, which primarily means good lighting and stationary subjects.

As for this particular photo, I agree that the light is not the best. It seems strange, though, that most of the picture looks fairly sharp but the windows look quite blurry. Was this taken through a window which might have had a smudge on it?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:07 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 29):
My buddy today helped me with some settings, and i'm pleased with the results:

Unfortunately soft to the point of being blurry.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:31 am

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 31):
As for this particular photo, I agree that the light is not the best. It seems strange, though, that most of the picture looks fairly sharp but the windows look quite blurry. Was this taken through a window which might have had a smudge on it?

No it was taken outside on the top of the terminal.... and I am beginning to think maybe my lens is smudged and I can't see it that well.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 32):
Unfortunately soft to the point of being blurry.

As usual. Thanks though. Is it centered/cropped ok though? For technique purposes. I ask this because once I get a better camera and start shooting at HND more and more, I want to pretty much cut out having to work through the whole technique improvement middleman  
Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 31):
I am not familiar with the Coolpix L120, but I think any modern bridge camera should be capable of taking A.net quality photos in the right circumstances, which primarily means good lighting and stationary subjects.

Ehh it's always something with this camera. Either it's not sharp enough because the plane is too far away, or something with the windows, titles, glare off of the fuselage, or white-balance.
That photo was shot at 100ISO in auto mode. This thing doesn't have much in the way of adjustment capabilities.


I did some heavy editing on these shots from today (QR Amiri came back into town), and you can see what I have to deal with every time.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8504652107/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8504680243/

[Edited 2013-02-24 23:33:12]
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Is it centered/cropped ok though?

Yes, the crop is fine.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:19 am

Alright I may be beating a dead horse here with this 320 but i decided to crop out the fuzzy windows..... how about now?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8506760946/in/photostream
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:30 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 35):
how about now?

Pretty severe grain and chromatic aberration. I don't know if the latter is grounds for rejection around here because I've seen plenty of shots in the DB (esp wide angle ones) with fairly visible CA, but I'd leave it out anyway.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:19 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 35):
how about now?

Quality is still very poor unfortunately. Don't think you can fix this one.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:12 am

Alright thanks guys. I guess I'll stop trying to get something outta this camera.

Is it possible for you guys to keep this thread up until I get to Japan and start spotting again? That's going to be past March 21   And i don't wanna create another thread

-Zach
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:31 am

Hey guys I had a question, someone told me there was a software I could purchase which would have a tool to sharpen my photos without making it grainy at all... He didn't know, but do you guys know? Would that software be able to turn a miracle out of these photos?
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:47 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):
Would that software be able to turn a miracle out of these photos?

I think that if such a software existed... no one would ever receive a grainy rejection.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
I guess I'll stop trying to get something outta this camera.

A new camera can help, but there's certainly no need to give up on what you have now. If you shoot aircraft that are close, not moving, and well-lit, all but the very cheapest point and shoot cameras will be able to produce an image that is acceptable to this site. My dinky little Nikon S6000 is over two years old and still produces acceptable images when I follow those rules. That said... I long for an equipment upgrade just as much as the next photog.  
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:06 am

On your camera question, I am a newbie too. and I currently use a Canon Rebel T3i. That or the T4i should be a good starter camera. I am not familiar w/ Nikons, having never used one. I have been dabbling with Picasa for editing but its very limited. Sooner or later I will have to look at better editing software.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:02 am

Quoting VTORD (Reply 41):
I have been dabbling with Picasa for editing but its very limited. Sooner or later I will have to look at better editing software.

Any other software that won't break my bank can you all recommend?

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 40):
A new camera can help, but there's certainly no need to give up on what you have now.

Well good newsi s when I moved out of my house in Arizona I found literally dollars and 20s laying everywhere around my apartment, so by scrounging that up and flying on Miles to Japan I can buy a cheap D3100 or D5100 in Tokyo 
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:48 am

Adobe now has CS 2 for free, though I am not sure for how long, I use that, Cpature NX2, View NX2, and photo viewer. The last two are for renaming/viewing only. CS2 is probably your best bet. If you get a D3100, come back to the forums if you want lens advice, as that is what I have. I would get a 70-300 (the $589 one, NOT the cheapo.) To go along eitht hat the 18-55 is fine to start. I have a 55-300, a 18-55, and a 16-85, with a Bigmos and a 10-24 (maybe) coming in the next year or so.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:49 am

Hey guys, shooting in CVG is a bit nuts during the winter because of the clouds, how do I deal with that? High ISOs give me a lot of grain.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:35 am

Well, not a lot you can do, better to have grain than blur and PS will fix most if not all grain if used correctly. A few tips include holding the camera extra steady to acheive same shutter at lower ISO and using a tripod.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:20 am

Alright gentlemen, new camera, new country, new airport, new uploads!

These are the unedited, straight-from-the-camera shots.

The photos are at a very large size right now but post-editing they will be resized.

What needs to be done, if anything can be done? The weather at NRT was crap yesterday.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8596046391/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8597153736/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8597148390/in/photostream
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:08 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 46):
What needs to be done

Proper edits would be needed before commenting further, but the light is pretty bad so can't say it would be worth the effort.
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:29 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 47):
Proper edits would be needed before commenting further, but the light is pretty bad so can't say it would be worth the effort.

I hope this is a proper edit  http://www.flickr.com/photos/phx787/8596317499/in/photostream
 
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RE: PHX787 Review Number 2

Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
I hope this is a proper edit

Not too bad given the conditions, but if you were to submit it, it would be rejected for soft, contrast (low), noise, and level.

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