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Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:51 pm

Starting a new thread as the old one was getting a bit unwieldy at 200+ posts.

Let's kick it off with this Aero India 2013 Rafale display

http://i3.minus.com/ibvMNExJOrPVgQ.jpg

Primary concerns are sharpening (as always!) and grain (particularly in the sky)

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:29 pm

looks a bit soft and maybe slightly low contrast to me eyes, but I can be wrong.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:33 pm

Soft, sky is borderline, and looks like there's a dust spot along the left edge.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:33 pm

Actually looks like there may be some micro-blur in there. Grain looks okay to me but given the first point it's probably irrelevant.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:17 pm

Thanks guys. It was very soft out of the camera and had to be heavily sharpened anyway, so it was always going to be a long shot. I think I'll bin it.

How about this?

http://i5.minus.com/i07ZTG6v2gakI.jpg

Lousy midafternoon light and all that. Just looking for a general check.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 4):

How about this?

http://i5.minus.com/i07ZTG6v2gakI.jpg

Lousy midafternoon light and all that. Just looking for a general check.

Anyone?
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:55 pm

maybe a tough low in the frame and a tough dark?
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:31 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 5):

Bit soft, and could use a bit of contrast to my eyes. As you said, not the best light...
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting powwwiii (Reply 6):
maybe a tough low in the frame and a tough dark?
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 7):
Bit soft, and could use a bit of contrast to my eyes. As you said, not the best light...

Yeah, then I'll skip this as well. I'm just being greedy with the Aero India stuff!

How about these three? At least the light is better.

http://i3.minus.com/iLw5hNyOzaCfu.jpg

http://i2.minus.com/iBTAeLA7k3sSE.jpg

http://i7.minus.com/ibk89WaufLGf1u.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 8):
How about these three?

Dust spots on the first and last, and second is a little soft.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:20 pm

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 9):
Dust spots on the first and last, and second is a little soft.

Are these better?

http://i2.minus.com/ibRC7aXQAeYf2.jpg

http://i2.minus.com/iJTCM2xbmsnMy.jpg

http://i1.minus.com/i4cWdyjQIOetf.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:43 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 10):
Are these better?

Third looks soft towards the left side, but otherwise quality looks ok.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:54 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 11):
Third looks soft towards the left side, but otherwise quality looks ok.

Thanks Dana, I'll scratch the Dhruv and upload the other two.

How about these?

http://i4.minus.com/igmgRtfqcd7wb.jpg

http://i5.minus.com/ib1xmyYErrpF8P.jpg

http://i1.minus.com/ibbFW0fCsfnzkO.jpg
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:53 am

Sorry Angad, some things have been going on behind the scenes, and I've had enough so I will be taking a break from the site for the time being. Good luck with your uploads.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:48 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 13):
Sorry Angad, some things have been going on behind the scenes, and I've had enough so I will be taking a break from the site for the time being. Good luck with your uploads.

I just noticed the "First Class Member" logo with your post and figured there were changes afoot. I hope stuff works out for you, and all the very best. Thanks so much for being so helpful over the last few months. I have 46 images in the DB and almost all of them are there thanks to your guidance.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 12):
Thanks Dana, I'll scratch the Dhruv and upload the other two.

How about these?

http://i4.minus.com/igmgRtfqcd7wb.jpg

http://i5.minus.com/ib1xmyYErrpF8P.jpg

http://i1.minus.com/ibbFW0fCsfnzkO.jpg

Anyone?
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:19 pm

I really like the first one, but it does have a bit of a grainy appearance on the underside, although it could be that that is more a reflection of the natural grain on the ground surface.

The second one looks a bit jaggy on the leading edge of the wing, and the nose cone looks a bit soft to me.

The third link is not opening any image for me.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 15):

Sorry for the delay - was away for the weekend.

1.) Slightly soft, slightly noisy, slightly red.
2.) Looks soft, or maybe slightly blurry; overexposed, low contrast.
3.) Looks OK to me.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:29 pm

Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I still need to work on sharpening!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
1.) Slightly soft, slightly noisy, slightly red.

Now?
http://i7.minus.com/ibsbKMOSQvhgb5.jpg

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
2.) Looks soft, or maybe slightly blurry; overexposed, low contrast.

Definitely not blurry. I zoomed in and the red "caution" text on the tail is perfectly readable. Edited:
http://i1.minus.com/ibd7KoAS938flj.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:44 pm

In addition to the two updated edits above, can I get an opinion on these two?

Sea King Mk42C + 42B formation:
http://i7.minus.com/iKsxytQGfCEg3.jpg

Sea King Mk42B:
http://i4.minus.com/ippkl8EWsabdc.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:25 pm

... anyone?

Especially keen on this set of shots.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:44 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 20):
... anyone?

Sorry, was a holiday weekend in the US, so wasn't around this forum as much. Anyway...

Quoting angad84 (Reply 18):
Now?

Looks a bit soft, but passable to me.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 18):
Definitely not blurry. I zoomed in and the red "caution" text on the tail is perfectly readable. Edited:

Contrast better, but still a bit overexposed, mostly in the background. I would tone it down a bit.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 19):
Sea King Mk42C + 42B formation:

A bit flat and soft.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 19):
Sea King Mk42B:

Maybe a bit flat. The light on these two probably isn't helping.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:37 pm

Thanks for the input Vik. It's been two years since I lived in the USA and I've already forgotten how everyone takes off on 4th July weekends!

Re: the Sea Kings, I agree with you that the light is far from ideal. Guess I was just a little enthusiastic about them because of the rarity-factor of the aircraft themselves and the formation, which is a sight one hardly sees. I have other shots in better light, so I think I'll bin this pair and work on those.

Now to a different kind of rotary-winged beastie.

IN725:
http://i1.minus.com/ibeKUTDkWqLajk.jpg

IN724:
http://i4.minus.com/irFGjIJchBx7i.jpg

http://i2.minus.com/i9Z3IeyasQoZn.jpg

http://i1.minus.com/ipdgE8Z0bfZp1.jpg

The last three are of the same aircraft but show it taxiing out (#1 and #2) and taking off (#3). Since the two ground shots show different parts (front and rear 3/4) and the flight shot is a profile, am I right in assuming these won't fall afoul of the doubles rule?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:26 pm

Any one?

Any input on the doubles question would be particularly appreciated.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:17 am

All right, I'll take my chances with the doubles.

Need some help with rejections this time:

Rudra
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20130711_a1372499982.6561anet-5106-rudra-26jun.jpg

This was rejected for "blurry" and "soft" which seemed unreasonable because I know for a fact it's not blurry and the sharpness seemed all right. I appealed it, and it came back with "grainy" added to the list of rejection reasons as well as a personal comment stating that the sky is blotchy as well.

My personal disagreement aside, could someone point out the grainy and soft parts?

HAL Kiran
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20130713_k1372674094.4784anet-0378-in077-1jul.jpg

An earlier version of this image was rejected on 1 July for "grainy" and "soft". I didn't want to bother with an appeal, so I added a touch of NR and sharpening and reuploaded. It came back 3 days ago, this time rejected for "quality blurry soft compression oversharpened"

How did it all go so terribly sideways on the second upload despite the original rejection reasons simply being "grainy" and "soft" and my own second edit being so minor?

Thanks
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:29 pm

Still no one?

C'mon guys, any help would be appreciated here.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 24):
could someone point out the grainy and soft parts?

I honestly cannot find the grainy spots; maybe a bit soft towards the top under the rotors? Yours looks like a great image;
yesterday I found an image that was extremely soft and grainy that just uploaded.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:11 am

Thanks Monsoon. I guess I'll just try an overall re-edit and hope for the best with round 2.

The Kirans are really confusing because in my previous thread, Dana signed off on the first edit, and now it's been two rejections for that shot.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:01 pm

The Rudra does seem to have a SLIGHT blur, it is borderline though IMHO. The Kirans look a little soft towards the rear of each plane and if I look real close there is a little grain in the shadows. Just my two pennies.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:15 pm

Quoting RCoulter (Reply 28):
The Kirans look a little soft towards the rear of each plane and if I look real close there is a little grain in the shadows.

Noted. Now that you mention it, the trailing edges on the tailfins do look a little soft. It's weird because even at 100%, the rest of the aircraft is pretty sharp.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:49 am

Well, the Kirans got rejected again, even at 1024px, so to hell with them :p

Would this be rejected for motive?
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/x1375732672.9613anet-4091-92-3897-6aug.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 30):
Would this be rejected for motive?

The clipped warning banner thing on the right is kind of annoying. As for the people, they look like they are involved in working on the aircraft, so I'd be OK with it. Probably would get some opinions among the screeners, though.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 31):
The clipped warning banner thing on the right is kind of annoying.

Annoying or deal-breaking? I there was half a walking dude in the frame, and I thought he'd be more distracting than the edge of a tag.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 31):
As for the people, they look like they are involved in working on the aircraft, so I'd be OK with it.

That's what I was hoping for. So I'll leave it up and hope for the best. Thanks Vik.

Any opinion on this - esp regarding doubles with the ones above (both already in the DB).

http://i1.minus.com/ipdgE8Z0bfZp1.jpg

Cheers
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 32):

Annoying or deal-breaking? I there was half a walking dude in the frame, and I thought he'd be more distracting than the edge of a tag.

Just annoying, I think. Personally, I would crop a bit closer on the left as well, but again, shouldn't be a deal-breaker. However, it does look soft.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 32):
Any opinion on this - esp regarding doubles with the ones above (both already in the DB).

Maybe a bit soft. Not entirely sure on double, but I'd lean toward not a double.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:26 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 33):
Maybe a bit soft. Not entirely sure on double, but I'd lean toward not a double.

Roger, will sharpen it up for the upload.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:52 am

Motive ok on this one?

http://i4.minus.com/ibnHap5HKpSWVX.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:55 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
Motive ok on this one?

Hmmm, that's an interesting one! I like it, but it would probably have to get more opinions. Also looks a bit bright, flat, and soft.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:11 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 36):
bright, flat, and soft

Soft by the windows, right? Tricky getting good DoF with shots like this.

I'll fix it and take my chances with the motive. Thanks.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:21 pm

Should have put this in the previous post. Can I get a general check on this?

http://i7.minus.com/i4s5H4RVmHB4C.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:51 pm

Anyone care to comment on the photo above?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:09 pm

Angad, I would say it looks a little blurry and/or soft from the leading edge of the wing to the front of the plane. The contrast could also use a small increase, although I have problems with contrast sometimes so I could be wrong on the last point.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:37 pm

Yeah, it wasn't the best source file. Guess this is one for the archives. Thanks Ryan.

How about this one?
http://i4.minus.com/ilGYbyWx0yRvU.jpg

I'm not sure about sharpness...

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:58 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 37):
Soft by the windows, right?

I'd say all over.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 41):
How about this one?

Looks a bit soft, and I'd give it a bit more brightness and contrast.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 42):
I'd say all over.

Ah, ok. Is this better?

http://i1.minus.com/iDdjiOpuPlWHJ.jpg

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 42):
Looks a bit soft, and I'd give it a bit more brightness and contrast.

Better now?

http://i6.minus.com/ibju6pcbUAxVuV.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 43):
Ah, ok. Is this better?

Still looks a bit soft to me - you may want to try a smaller size.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 43):
Better now?

Brightness and contrast yes, but it looks softer than the first edit.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:41 pm

Ugh. Guess those can stay on my drive then. The Falcon was is iffy motive-wise and the Mi-8 isn't particularly special or rare.

how about this?

http://i2.minus.com/i1Q8m6ovpPeGB.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:47 am

Mostly ok. Tail looks a bit soft, and there is at least one dust spot above the radome, and another on the left edge down near the bottom.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 46):
Tail looks a bit soft, and there is at least one dust spot above the radome, and another on the left edge down near the bottom.

Crap, I missed those. Fixing and re-uploading. Thanks!

Angad
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:20 pm

So this got rejected for "motive" and "dirty" but not for soft:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20130817_x1375732672.9613anet-4091-92-3897-6aug.jpg

Screener comments: "motive for obstructions on nose gear, specks in sky/above nose"

The thing obstructing the nose gear is the intake cover (the PACAF Viper demo team uses a black fabric cover) that is set down there while the guy near it opens up the attachment points for it.

My question - once I get rid of the specks above the nose, is it worth re-submitting with the explanation for obstruction, or will it be rejected again regardless?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 48):
My question - once I get rid of the specks above the nose, is it worth re-submitting with the explanation for obstruction, or will it be rejected again regardless?

Issue raised with the Quality Team. Will let you know what is decided.

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