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Struggling With "Dark" At Night

Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:54 pm

I've had several recent "dark" rejections of night shots. In each case, essentially all of the light is from flashes, so the backgrounds fade quickly into blackness. I feel (of course!) that the subject aircraft are bright enough and in some cases, as seen in the picture below, at least as bright as day shots already accepted to the DB.


Again, the day shots are in the DB, the night shots were "dark".


I was trying to achieve what I think of as "museum" lighting -- the plane illuminated against a dark background, as in these accepted examples:

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I've brightened and re-submitted five of the rejections, so I'll see how that goes, but I'm seeking a better understanding of what screeners look for in these types of shots -- does the background play a role?
Thanks for any observations,
Mark
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RE: Struggling With "Dark" At Night

Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:23 pm

Quoting vzlet (Thread starter):
I'm seeking a better understanding of what screeners look for in these types of shots -- does the background play a role?

While there have been changes on the screening side, both in terms of the team and the procedure, I think I remember a former head screener (Dana) saying in someone's feedback thread, probably one of mine, that background exposure is secondary to the image.

That's not to say backlit shots are acceptable with a blown sky and a correctly exposed aircraft, but if you're blowing some highlights in the background of a bright shot or clipping blacks in the periphery of a dark shot, you should be ok.

The comparisons you've linked to look more than ok in my opinion. As you say, there are similar shots in the DB and the a/c are light about as well as photos shot in daylight.

I myself have had a couple of shots with noticeably blown background elements accepted in the past year:


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(the building behind the An-32, the building and Il-38 behind the MiG-29K and the entire top half of the A320 behind the Ka-31)

But maybe you should wait for a screener to weigh in.

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RE: Struggling With "Dark" At Night

Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:21 am

Brightened versions judged to still be too dark and rejected again:
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RE: Struggling With "Dark" At Night

Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:29 pm

It is hard to tell since you don't have links to the full size images, but it seems to me that the examples in the db have some fill lighting that your images do not. For example, the B-17 is fairly well lit on the underside of the wing but your prop image appears to have deep shadows on the underside inboard of the engine. The main landing gear looks similar.
 
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RE: Struggling With "Dark" At Night

Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:53 pm

Further developments below. I'd still be interested in detailed screener feedback.


Rejected as "dark" with comment "need to brighten up those dark shadows". I can only assume that refers to the background, although I'm not sure why that should matter.


Rejected as "dark".


Rejected as"oversharpened" (But not "dark, so I've got that going for me!)


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