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Post Screenein - Need Help Again.

Sat May 17, 2014 2:38 pm

Get rejects on 9 from 10 photos %( Really don't know if they are so bad (for half of them it's second reject) so need advice shoul I drop them completely or they have second (third? fourth?) chance?

First batch, which was rejected twice.

1) Irkut-Avia Antonov An-12BP

First attempt
Reject reason: "quality better at 1024-1200 pixels. Crop more from left side" Quality Distance

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5214/6154164.223/0_9e2ff_825df282_orig

Second
Reject reason: heat haze quality oversharpened category (what wrong with cathegory, btw? it's checked as CLASSIC, must be CARGO also?)

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_x1399227755.4137img_4420.jpg

2) SibNIA Yakovlev Yak-40K

First attempt
Reject reason: "crop more" Quality Soft Distance Dark
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9802/6154164.223/0_9e300_e5214401_orig
Second
Reject reason: soft
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_w1399227493.7025img_4521.jpg

3) Aeroflot - Russian Airlines Sukhoi SSJ-100-95B Superjet 100 (RRJ-95B)

First attempt
Reject reason: "better smaller, needs some CCW rotation" Quality Level
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9742/6154164.223/0_9e301_311b5099_orig
Second
Reject reason: soft
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_e1399215976.4101img_2886.jpg

4) Gazpromavia Sukhoi SSJ-100-95B-LR Superjet 100 (RRJ-95B)

First attempt
Reject reason: "too much empty space. Try a portrait crop"Motive Soft Dark
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9755/6154164.223/0_9e303_2acee1dd_orig
Second
Reject reason: blurry oversharpened
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_o1399215248.8376img_4489.jpg

5) Sukhoi Design Bureau Sukhoi Su-30MK

First attempt
Reject reason: "Not enough quality at such a large size, please upload at 1024-1200 pixels wide. " Quality Grainy Distance
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9828/6154164.223/0_9e302_b416764c_orig
Second
Reject reason: blurry
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_o1399202656.9989img_4344-3.jpg
 
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Sat May 17, 2014 2:47 pm

Second batch

1) Russia - Navy Ilyushin Il-38

Reject reason: high in frame dirty centered personal (is it of any chance appeal centering because of composition - to make room for engine smoke?)
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_x1399202463.7327img_6037.jpg

2) Russia - Air Force Tupolev Tu-160

Reject reason: blurry oversharpened
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_i1399213507.2029img_5325-3.jpg

3) Russia - Navy Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29KUB (9-47)

Reject reason: heat haze quality soft personal (is heat haze so strong that this very rare photo is unrepairable?)
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_e1399225140.6529img_6017.jpg

4) Russia - Navy Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K (9-41)

Reject reason: cloning, see warning email soft editing personal (no personal email and if cloning mean LL corner, is it forbidden even to remove big dust spot from fly or poplar fluff?)
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140514_v1399224890.0252img_6269.jpg
 
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Sat May 17, 2014 6:09 pm

Hi,

Going in order of the photos posted...
1. Heat haze is very bad. I would not bother further with this one.
2. Indeed does look soft, may also be some heat haze here, but I think you could work with this one.
3. Looks soft, maybe blurry towards the nose, I'd agree with the screeners here.
4. As stated, blurry and oversharpened. Light is not great either. I'd bin this one.
5. As stated, blurry. I'd bin this also.
6. Appealing the center doesn't do any good unless you fix the dust spot. I think you might have a shot at leaving the centering as-is if you include a note as to why you did so.
7. As stated, oversharpened to compensate for blur. The quality is not very good. I'd probably bin this one.
8. Does look soft, as stated, maybe heat haze as well. The cloning of a dust spot isn't an issue. What is an issue is the big silvery mark it left behind on the edge of the grass.

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Sat May 17, 2014 11:22 pm

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 1):
Reject reason: cloning, see warning email soft editing personal (no personal email and if cloning mean LL corner, is it forbidden even to remove big dust spot from fly or poplar fluff?)

There is cloning on the left side of the bottom edge. There's a repeating pattern that is typical of cloning.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with all the rejections. Heat haze is your enemy on lots of them, so I'm not particularly surprised.
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Sun May 18, 2014 6:53 am

Vik, are these photos hopeless? Particulary all military a/c - Su, Il, Tu and both MiGs? May be if I reduce then to 1000 px they will became acceptable?
 
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Sun May 18, 2014 3:03 pm

Follow John's advice and you can see which shots do have a chance. I think your best start should be with the Yak and the Aeroflot Superjet.
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Sun May 18, 2014 7:10 pm

Quoting len90 (Reply 5):
Follow John's advice and you can see which shots do have a chance. I think your best start should be with the Yak and the Aeroflot Superjet.

The SU SSJ100 looks likeliest to make it, albeit at 1200px or so. I wouldn't say the Yak has much of a chance, there's a lot of heat haze affecting the aircraft.

I like the Il-38 composition but if the other rejection reason is valid, I would not bother with an appeal. As an aside, is that one of the new 'Novella' upgraded birds? Because it looks identical to the Indian Navy Il-38SDs, and I understand that the Russian Navy's upgraded Il-38s are roughly the same.

The swan and the two MiG-29s are both, unfortunately, beyond help. You might want to gamble on a 1024px version of the Tu-160 if you're keen on getting it accepted.

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Mon May 19, 2014 8:50 am

Yes, Il-38 with Novella.

Do you think shoot with a moon is unmendable?
 
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Mon May 19, 2014 9:34 am

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 7):
Do you think shoot with a moon is unmendable?

Sadly, yes.

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Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:01 am

I'm back again.

1) Il-20M: "CCW rotation needed, vignetting upper left, heat haze affecting quality"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140529_d1400343353.5611img_1834-1.jpg

I agree with vignetting (realy, all left part is dark because of the part of the fence in the way, but I can lighten it). I think that if I reduce it to 1200 heat haze will became acceptable. But what about leveling? Are not buildings at the back strictly horizontal?


2) Su30 rejected again for: "obvious editing halos"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140601_h1400698219.862img_4344-4.jpg

I really can't see what he means, even on equalized picture:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9666/6154164.228/0_9eb4a_c0207ee_orig

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Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:12 am

3) This one was rejected as: "Nice attempt but too much empty space; in any case, double with ID 2398803. Please do not upload this again." Centered Double

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140529_o1400339113.4722img_6791-1.jpg

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I don't think so. Appeal may be?
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:37 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 10):
I don't think so. Appeal may be?

If those were taken on the same day then its definitely double.

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 9):
2) Su30 rejected again for: "obvious editing halos"

I think they might mean the prominent bright lines under the nosecone and right wingtip?

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 9):
1) Il-20M: "CCW rotation needed, vignetting upper left, heat haze affecting quality"

Yeah doesn't look too hot for that large a size. I would downsize to begin with.

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Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:54 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 11):
If those were taken on the same day

No they don't. If'd they were taken on the same day, I'd will not post accepted one in the first time.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 11):
I would downsize to begin with.

What do you think about leveling?
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:02 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 12):
What do you think about leveling?

Level actually looks fine to me.

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 12):
No they don't. If'd they were taken on the same day, I'd will not post accepted one in the first time.

Fair enough, but I guess the motive doesn't work for them either, so there's no point stressing over this particular shot any longer.

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Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:38 am

Now this two snowy shots:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140529_a1400338508.7521img_6973.jpg

This was rejected for "vignettting in upper left and right corners, not nose" quality soft dark category. I'm OK with vignetting, but how about soft and dark? It wasn't really sun shining daylight when I shoot this and second one... Also I can't understand what "nose" mean if this is not.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140529_r1400338762.8844img_6990.jpg

This is "a bit dark, and over saturated color, regards" dark colour.

Any advice there?
 
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Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:02 pm

WoW! This was fast!

Uploaded yesterday, accepted today!


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Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:24 pm

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 15):
Uploaded yesterday, accepted today!

Really? Wow!  Wow!
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Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:28 pm

Need advice on two shots rejected lately:

1) Rejected for motiv without further elaboration

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140730_o1406053816.3075img_9741.jpg

Was checked NOSE.

2) Rejected for soft

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140730_g1405975889.572img_9632.jpg

Is this (or other shoots from sequence may be) curable by more sharpening? It seems not soft, but affected by distance, water curtain and whole flatness of lighting condition.
 
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Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 17):
1) Rejected for motiv without further elaboration

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...40730_o1406053816.3075img_9741.jpg

Was checked NOSE.

Stairs are blocking significant parts of the aircraft, don't think this will work here.

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 17):
2) Rejected for soft

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...140730_g1405975889.572img_9632.jpg

Is this (or other shoots from sequence may be) curable by more sharpening? It seems not soft, but affected by distance, water curtain and whole flatness of lighting condition.

Nice shot! Borderline on sharpening IMO. Probably easiest to just re-edit and upload and see how it goes.

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Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 18):
Stairs are blocking significant parts of the aircraft, don't think this will work here.

Hm... So you think such composition is just wrong for anet? Such a pity, I like it  

Now another rejection with comment that draws me mad every time about "better 1200 or less":

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140731_c1406053249.2583img_9555.jpg

Reject reason: The quality of this shot does not support such a large size. Try 1200 pix or below. This shot displays vignetting problems too. blurry motiv personal


Motiv again! What they mean? Very faint vignetting? Some softness in the bottom corners? Is it really blurry or can I just sharpen a bit more windows line?
 
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Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:57 pm

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 19):
Hm... So you think such composition is just wrong for anet? Such a pity, I like it

Yep, it is how it is.

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 19):
Reject reason: The quality of this shot does not support such a large size.

I disagree, certainly workable at 1400-1500px wide.

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 19):
This shot displays vignetting problems too

It does.

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 19):
blurry

I don't see blur.

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 19):
motiv

Probably for the plant in the foreground that is obstructing part of the #2 engine. Should be ok with the new motive rules, although I'd wait for a headscreener or someone to confirm.

I think this shot can be salvaged with a little more sharpening.

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Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:16 pm

Thanks, Angad. Will follow your advice.
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:31 am

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 17):
2) Rejected for soft

The Air India water cannon shot doesn't look soft to me, atleast not the aircraft itself. If that was the only reason it was rejected for, I'd be inclined to appeal it.
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Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:09 am

Thanks, sunandan! Will wait for more opinions, better from one of anet screeners.

Now, another rejection I need some help with:

Reject reason: High in frame, need clocwise rotation centered level personal

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6844/6154164.233/0_a15c3_a85764cb_orig.jpg

Formally, it's really high if one looks at red horizontal which is at the cenetr of the frame. For me current composition is perfectly balanced in terms of space above and below a/c, but... Ok then, how low must I move the plane?

About CW rotation I'm again puzzled. Second horizontal and left vertical lines shows me (lampost and fire brigade building at the background) that it definitely need some rotation, but CCW instead. Second and third verticals I put to make ref's on wheels struts which seems for me perfectly vertical.
 
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Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:53 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 23):
Reject reason: High in frame, need clocwise rotation centered level personal

I would say a tiny amount of CW rotation would help.

High is definitely valid. I would align the bottom of the window frames to the red centre horizontal line.

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Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:16 pm

Thanks for suggestion about vertical centering, but about CW rotation I still in doubt. It will incline background right more and make this photo - as was discussed in neighbor thread - "technically wrong but visually right".
 
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Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:17 am

I put another shoot in queue instead of this one - framed less tight, so there was room for levelling:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/z1406921423.6847img_9669.jpg

What do you think, is this better?
 
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Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:56 pm

With your engine shot already accepted, I think any wide shots from this side would be considered 'double' as per the rules.

https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#double

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Again both images are taken on the same day and same sequence (taxi). Only one image would be allowed. In this case if you also had a tail closeup (let's called it example 2C), you would be allowed to either upload 2A, or 2B and 2C together. A combination of 2B and 2A, or 2C and 2A would not be allowed.

So I would recommend a tight crop of the front half of the aircraft.

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Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:52 pm

Let us see. Engine closeup was, luckily, not from taxi but at parking (with stairs installed)...
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:39 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 28):
Let us see. Engine closeup was, luckily, not from taxi but at parking (with stairs installed)...

Sadly, that rarely works in the photographer's favour. Shot on ground is shot on ground, regardless of taxi, takeoff, parked etc.

At least that's what I was told a few months ago.

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Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:27 am

Thanks camerades!

Appealed as you advised and get accepted as is!


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Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:14 pm

I saw that this morning, great stuff!

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Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:03 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 20):
I think this shot can be salvaged with a little more sharpening.

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Reedited it, what do you people think?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/f1406926187.0902img_9555-2.jpg

Also do you think such morning shoot are passable? Other resource rejected them all as "contrast, light conditions not good enough".

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/i1406920158.487img_9148-2.jpg

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/i1406925648.2424img_9284.jpg

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/y1406926533.2532img_9206.jpg
 
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Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:20 pm

Swiss looks pretty good to me. To be picky (which the screeners might be for a larger image) the reg and the red outline behind the nose gear look a bit jaggy.

For the others, I am sure that there are many images in the db taken in similar light conditions. The BA does look like it needs some contrast, and also the colors look very washed out even for the light conditions. TAP looks good to me, except you might want to darken the black end a bit more and again the titles seem borderline oversharpenen. The AB looks a bit flat.
 
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Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:46 pm

I tried to make some balance between anet (and other resources) demand for contrast and real picture which was even more fogged than this:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6806/6154164.230/0_a1526_476274a4_XXXL.jpg

more close to this:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6811/6154164.231/0_a1534_4e44184d_XXXL.jpg
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:27 pm

All morning shoot rejected for "contrast" alas...

Now this, rejected with "ccw rotation needed" Quality Over-sharpened Overexposed Level:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/APPEAL_20140811_g1406917980.6911img_0360.jpg

Appealed: I diagree with OS and OE - it's totally white plane, exposed right looking on histogtam. It doesn't need rotation either, leveled by roofs of building at the background.

Am I right or do I need to reedit it?
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:29 pm

PS: With reject factor 1:10 I managed to reach 100 photo with this one:


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Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 35):
Now this, rejected with "ccw rotation needed" Quality Over-sharpened Overexposed Level:

I think the oversharpened rejection is a bit nitpicky, and it's definitely not overexposed. If anything it's a bit flat and could use darker black levels.

Level seems spot on to me, dunno what could possibly be used as a reference that would require CCW rotation.

Good job on the 100th acceptance, and quite a nice shot to achieve the milestone with!

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Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:03 pm

Was rejected in appeal (along with other one which I don't agree too) with Contrast added to reasons. PM is unclear for me, if it is for second photo or for both:

"It would be better smaller Contrast very low. Far better at a smaller size, no more than 1200 Screener correct"

And Swiss reedited rejected with Size (!) and OS reasons. Honestly, I don't see such big difference in quality between it and two Vuelings, accepted from the same day.
 
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Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:02 am

I don't agree with the 1200px comment but for safety's sake a downsize to 1400px wouldn't hurt. I absolutely LOVE seeing images at 1200px and higher, so I would encourage you to try and sort out the flaws in a large image rather than simply downsize to get accepted to the DB.

Contrast on the Tupolev and El Al birds is indeed low, particularly the black levels, which are not nearly dark enough given the lighting.

The Swiss bird will require selective sharpening/softening to work, I think. Up to you whether you want to make the effort. It should certainly be salvageable though.

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Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:47 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 39):
I absolutely LOVE seeing images at 1200px and higher

Me too

Quoting angad84 (Reply 39):
I would encourage you to try and sort out the flaws in a large image

Yes I will. I want also Tu and El Al in db in normal - not 1024 - size.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:37 pm

Rejected again with "quality insufficient for uploading at 1400 pixels width quality blurry oversharpened"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140907_z1408775285.5519img_0360-2.jpg

I'm really so tired with this. Is this photo worth reediting or is it really so poor quality? If so, I will drop it.

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