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Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:55 pm

Hopefully this time I can keep everything together in one thread.

Rejected for soft and blurry: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...630_d1403334015.0344img_2607r1.jpg
Rejected for blurry: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...630_s1403419814.9751img_1011r1.jpg

I don't see the blur on either of those shots with my display. Would like to know where these seem blurry.
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Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:13 pm

Hi Len,

On the first one, it does seem a little soft all over the aircraft. Blur I don't see really anywhere. As for the second, the only softness I see is up front right at the nose and in the bold United titles. To call that blurry is a bit harsh, imo. I'd sharpen both up and resubmit.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:37 am

I agree with John, a little sharpening for both and they should be good to go!
 
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:00 am

Good to hear that. Sharpening both up and resubmitting right now...

Selective sharpen for the United 752 in the areas John mentioned and the SAS will be done overall.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:15 pm

This one got hot for quality, soft, personal. The comment was: image slightly affected by heat haze...

I didn't see anything when working on the full size image. Anybody think this is salvageable?
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...705_p1403934607.9947img_7581r1.jpg
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:15 am

I am relatively inexperienced, but I don't see any heat haze. I can see maybe slightly soft at the nose due to motion at the cockpit windows. Nice shot though I like it!
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:11 pm

Thanks Mitch. What you see does make more sense. The heat haze just doesn't look to be a factor at all in this. I'm guessing salvageable then with a little selective sharpening at the nose.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting 737guy (Reply 5):
I am relatively inexperienced, but I don't see any heat haze. I can see maybe slightly soft at the nose due to motion at the cockpit windows. Nice shot though I like it!

I agree with this - could be salvageable with a bit of sharpening at the nose.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:56 am

Thanks Pete for that! Will sharpen up the nose and resubmit when I have an opening in the queue.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:00 am

John, great call so far on the United SA!

Another soft rejection that seems tough for me to figure where the selective sharpening should be. Cheat lines are at the point where anything more and they are going to be overdone. So far my only places I could even think of are cockpit windows and wing. https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...709_o1404136508.1322img_1026r1.jpg
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:40 am

Hi Len,

I'd agree with your assessment, the very front of the nose, the wing, and also the tail, particularly areas in shadow, would be the areas I'd sharpen. Nice shot of a dying breed!

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:02 pm

Okay good to hear that I can see the areas where it needs improvement.

SAS was still soft, screener pointing out the windows as still being soft. This one I kind of feel is being a bit picky. https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...710_n1404216547.7675img_2607r2.jpg
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:19 pm

Hi Len,

Quoting len90 (Reply 11):
SAS was still soft, screener pointing out the windows as still being soft. This one I kind of feel is being a bit picky.

IMO, that's pretty ridiculous. I would appeal it. It might be just a bit soft around the windows, but any more sharpening anywhere else and it'll be oversharpened.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:42 pm

I would be more worried about the weird halos around the landing gear and engines.
 
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:48 pm

Quoting RCoulter (Reply 13):
I would be more worried about the weird halos around the landing gear and engines.

  



Not sure what you've done here, possibly an innocent by product of selective levels, but could result in a warning or ban for prohibited editing.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:32 am

Don't know what led to that. I go to photoshop levels, move the sliders over in the histogram, just like the editing guide says. Then I equalize to look for spots, resize, sharpen and that is it. What caused that then? Is there something wrong with that workflow that could lead to something that could result in that? Also that was not picked up in either screening.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:11 am

Quoting len90 (Reply 15):
What caused that then? Is there something wrong with that workflow that could lead to something that could result in that?

I sometimes get halos like this (probably from the sharpening) although not quite as evident. I wonder if the extreme contrast between the tires (and winglet) and the sky caused an issue for the editor.
 
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:32 am

So I went back and started working on the original from the start. It is indeed the sharpening that caused the halo as I redid my whole process step by step with equalizing to check it all out. I never caught this before because a) never had an issue with getting editing halos and b) I equalize before sharpening with sharpening being the last thing I do before saving and submitting.

Now with that figured out and all cleared up, we'll chalk this up as today's lesson on photoshop. By no means did I try to do create an issue with illegally editing an image.

I've gone ahead and really worked on this to try and see what can be done starting from scratch with selective sharpening (basically not touching the gear). Would this edit be acceptable or is there anything wrong:

New Edit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14438576840/sizes/o/
New Edit equalized: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14625223935/sizes/o/

[Edited 2014-07-10 21:56:58]
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:23 pm

Hi Len,

Your SAS photo looks good to me! Great shot!

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:46 pm

Thanks Calvin!

Another one for the soft/blurry: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...714_z1404543676.7657img_0764r1.jpg

I question where the blur is...The full size image you can make out the fleet number behind the flag clearly.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:14 pm

Hi Len.

I'd say the blur is at the nose and around the engines but I don't think it looks too blurry, to me it looks just soft. I'd sharpen it up and have another go. By the way, I saw the UA Star 752 in the database the other day, glad it made it in!

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:52 am

Thanks a lot John! Always appreciate when people respond and help me see it a bit better.

This one too is a bit soft: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...717_o1404742390.1211img_0788r1.jpg
- To me winglets, cheat line, and window frames look good. Those are the things I look at first. Nose might be a little bit soft, but I personally have seen softer images of mine accepted.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:41 pm

Hi Len,

I'd say that your "soft" sections in the image are around the nose and right hand winglet. Maybe your shutter speed was too slow? The right winglet looks like it's suffering from a very mild case of motion blur  

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:34 pm

I'll have to pull the exif data on that, but I would think it is around 1/640 or faster. I usually shoot ISO125, f7.1 for my aviation stuff.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:02 am

Hi Len,

I see some softness around the nose and engine/winglet areas on this one. Pretty minor issues though, shouldn't be too hard to fix.  

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:50 am

Thanks! Selected out the areas to sharpen and back in it goes.

For the Portland Timbers Alaska Airlines shot, I followed exactly what was posted here and sharpened the nose. Image was rejected for "Dark". Appealed due to the only prior issue being soft and agreed that sharpening nose was the solution. Appeal rejected for dark, soft nose, and high contrast.
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...718_k1404802828.7998img_7581r2.jpg

Really want to get this shot on here, but now I'm thinking it probably doesn't stand a chance.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:56 am

Hi Len,

I thought I'd try to give you a hand as you always help me out. I really like this shot, keen to see it in the DB!

From what I can see (Not perfect eyes as I'm still new) but I think the dark background combined with the dark aircraft is giving the illusion of "dark" and high contrast. Looking at the front, the yellow looks about right, if you brightened it the nose would be too bright.

So I'm not too sure what to do, maybe some others will have some ideas,

Hope it kinda helps.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:39 pm

I guess they are going to call it back lit because it appears the sun was directly overhead. I don't know what else to do and I certainly like the shot and wanted it in the DB!
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:36 pm

Hi Len,

Hmm, this is a bit of a head-scratcher. I can see high contrast, maybe, but I don't think it is dark. If you brighten it more, you'll blow out the white titles. Soft nose is debatable, but I don't see that as too much of an issue. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if you can salvage this one to what a.net wants.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:43 am

Thanks for the input guys! I would really like it if someone from the screening team would be willing to pop in and offer some insight as to what they are judging it on. I don't think it could be called backlit as you see the sun glare on the fuselage. Also, I was mindful of the sun location when taking my pictures at Portland. I do tend to agree with the dark plane on the dark background can cause an issue, but that is also what I was intentionally aiming for with a caption of camouflaging in. So if that was the case, call me out on motive instead of dark and contrast. Finally the soft nose... I don't really want to get on a tangent about the sharpness police lol
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:51 pm

The Portland Timbers shot looks soft, particularly at the nose and tail, even on my work monitor. Possibly some atmospheric/heat haze effects. The light is not great so it is dark/backlit - I wouldn't call it high contrast as there aren't wide variations of bright and dark - it is all just dark.

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting alevik (Reply 30):
The Portland Timbers shot looks soft, particularly at the nose and tail, even on my work monitor. Possibly some atmospheric/heat haze effects. The light is not great so it is dark/backlit - I wouldn't call it high contrast as there aren't wide variations of bright and dark - it is all just dark.

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Thanks Pete for the response. I guess not salvageable then like you had said earlier in the thread. Still a shot I enjoy.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:00 pm

Have this one that was rejected for level... Completely agree that it was unlevel. Just curious if that is corrected in the new edit.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...808_s1406729443.7407img_7085r1.jpg

New Edit:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14683465959/sizes/o/

It's a simple image, yet giving me a hard time with leveling.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:08 am

I think it is just about right. Perhaps a tiny bit of CW, but as you say there are some conflicting references.
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:07 pm

I think a just a bit of CW rotation would get it perfect.
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Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:51 am

That's the thing. The white hanger in the background is straight right now. However, the grey thing to the far right of the image makes you think needs a bit of CW rotation. I think I will submit with a comment to screeners that it is leveled to the white hanger in the background.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:41 am

Wondering if any of these shots of the BA 787 will work for this site. Plane came in just after sunset so lighting was garbage.

www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15004304482/sizes/o/
www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14818073758/sizes/o/
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:58 am

Both seem somewhat dark and low in the frame. Might just be me though. Were these from PHL or EWR?
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:03 am

It was PHL. Centering on them is actually correct despite looking low in frame. If you judge distance from top most point of plane to top of image and bottom most point of plane to bottom of image they are about equal  

I am worried about the dark aspect, but given the time with the sun being below the horizon, I wonder if they would stand a chance.

[Edited 2014-08-22 21:04:01]
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:03 am

I would try brightening and boosting the shadows and see how it looks.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:21 pm

The rear 3/4 shot I can only brighten. Hitting it with ANY little bit of shadow will result in editing rejection. Histogram will show it clearly. On the side shot, I was able to do a little bit without causing any halos.

www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14822182480/sizes/o/

[Edited 2014-08-23 07:21:52]
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:57 pm

Quoting len90 (Reply 40):
Hitting it with ANY little bit of shadow will result in editing rejection. Histogram will show it clearly.

How would that be an editing rejection?
 
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:22 pm

Whoops not the histogram. It would be seen equalized. Use of the shadow/highlight will lead to a halo around the image. I could make it out without equalizing even I was to apply like a 2% shadows.
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Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:42 pm

Did you shoot it in JPEG? I know it is really hard to adjust the shadows with a JPEG, but I can boost the shadows a lot on my RAW files.
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:52 am

This one was only shot in JPEG. I had switched to JPEG only for something I had to do for school and pictures were needed immediately where they didn't care for me to shoot raw and do all the adjustments.

Can anybody from the screening team chime in? I would really like to know if something like this can stand a chance with screening or should I just enjoy the fact I saw a BA 788.
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Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:07 pm

New one post screening. Image was taken at sunset so I expected issues with the lighting and contrast. Rejection for dark, grainy, and centering (low in frame). I am pretty sure the low in frame is wrong based on the statements from HS on how an image should look balanced in thumbnail. The grain I haven't seen and a prior version of the picture that was rejected never mentioned grain. Dark is currently the thing I am held up on. Not sure what I can do for this: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...901_u1409098009.0441img_6750r2.jpg
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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:16 pm

Quoting len90 (Reply 45):
I am pretty sure the low in frame is wrong based on the statements from HS on how an image should look balanced in thumbnail.

For this angle, it does look low in frame when looking at the thumbnail. Only certain angles balancing the wings would be best, as for this looks as you could have gone higher.

Quoting len90 (Reply 45):
The grain I haven't seen and a prior version of the picture that was rejected never mentioned grain.

I don't see grain either. Best thing do apply another round of noise reduction hah.

Quoting len90 (Reply 45):
Dark is currently the thing I am held up on. Not sure what I can do for this:

Even with the levels adjusted, image still looks dark...certain liveries can make the image look dark. Try messing around with the mid tones as the belly of the plane seems to be the dark part of the image. It should also brighten the image slightly a bit too.



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[Edited 2014-09-03 08:18:23]

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RE: Len90: Pre/Post Screening All In One

Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:07 pm

Thanks a lot mohammedzaheer! I'll have to work on that when I have some free time.
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