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Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:46 am

Hi guys. Been struggling with a shot lately, thought I'd get some help.

This one was rejected a week or two ago for only contrast, with the comment "image lacks contrast" :

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140622_v1402496006.1147anet-0491-in807-11jun.jpg

So I boosted contrast a bit and ended up with this:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20140702_o1403531310.6643anet-0491-in807-23jun-2.jpg

This was then rejected for "quality, blurry, grainy, dark" -- which I immediately appealed, because I didn't accept that a simple contrast rejection could result in a laundry list of new reasons. The appeal came back with dark and blurry removed, but with "contrast" and "editing" added instead, and a personal remark saying "Blurry and dark removed. Harsh light from hangar door and very noisy in places, perhaps due to overuse of shadow/highlight tool."

Is this salvageable at all? I do not understand the addition of the contrast reason during the appeal, is it too high or still too low? The grain I understand is a problem - I actually forgot to do any NR for this shot! - so I can just kick the NR up if the rest of the shot stands a chance.

Any help appreciated.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:05 pm

Got this axed a few weeks ago for "soft" and "overexposed"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20140629_y1403184765.4782anet-0056-in606-12mar.jpg

So I re-edited it and it still got axed for the same reasons, upheld on appeal.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20140708_i1404128355.029anet-0056-in606-30jun-2.jpg

I'm honestly at a loss. To me it looks sharp and the exposure looks spot on. I don't know how much to adjust sharpening or exposure because they both look ok to me!

Any help?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:30 pm

The top of the wing and the sky is too bright. With this light I am not sure if you can make this photo look much better. Looks grainy too. Sorry 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:15 am

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 2):
The top of the wing and the sky is too bright. With this light I am not sure if you can make this photo look much better. Looks grainy too. Sorry

I have other photos from Goa accepted in similar light, which is why this rejection is baffling. I do agree that the first image is definitely bright, but the second one seems ok, the histogram also reflects this.

For what it's worth, here's yet another edit of this shot (adjusted for grain too, thanks for pointing that out):

http://i3.minus.com/ibxxNCe8Y8yUDh.jpg

Any better with this treatment?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:13 pm

Quoting angad84 (Thread starter):
Is this salvageable at all?

I would upload that one at a smaller size if you're inclined to keep trying.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 1):
I'm honestly at a loss. To me it looks sharp and the exposure looks spot on. I don't know how much to adjust sharpening or exposure because they both look ok to me!

Borderline soft maybe, but it's not overexposed.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 3):
For what it's worth, here's yet another edit of this shot (adjusted for grain too, thanks for pointing that out):

Looks borderline over-contrasted now. That aside, looks OK. I'm not a fan of the light, but there are plenty of shots accepted with similar.
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:58 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 4):
I would upload that one at a smaller size if you're inclined to keep trying.

I already re-upped a couple of days ago when no one replied -- but if it gets the boot again, I'll try and 1024px, thanks.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 4):
Borderline soft maybe, but it's not overexposed.

Ok, so it's not just me!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 4):
Looks borderline over-contrasted now. That aside, looks OK. I'm not a fan of the light, but there are plenty of shots accepted with similar.

Borderline contrasty I can live with - I like my blacks like my coffee...

I'll give this edit a last shot before I bin it.

Thanks for the advice guys.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:36 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 4):
I would upload that one at a smaller size if you're inclined to keep trying.

Got rejected again, and I'm not a fan of small uploads, so I just binned it. Put it on Flickr instead.

Now, is this really oversharpened? Also rejected for centering, which will be harder to fix, given that I composed it to get more sky, but I'll see what I can do about tightening the crop up top. The sharpening is odd, because I normally get soft rejections!

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140721_z1405061966.1932anet-5408-se-dxg-8jul-2.jpg

EDIT:

... and now this one for overexposed and soft, neither of which seem valid to me.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140721_j1405075069.3898anet-5412-se-dxb-11jul.jpg


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[Edited 2014-07-21 09:19:01]
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:13 am

Thanks for the input on the Sea Harrier shot, Vik. It finally got accepted:


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However, I then got a rejection which I'm once again in disagreement with.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140724_v1405413313.6815anet-9710-80-0278-15jul-2.jpg

The rejection reasons were : quality blurry soft distance oversharpened overexposed

Distance I can fix, so let's ignore that.

Blurry - at full size it's fine, so...
Soft/Oversharpened - I assume the jaggies around the canopy area qualifies as oversharpened? But where is it soft?
Overexposed - is it? Seems ok to me and the histogram agrees.
Quality - ???

I like this shot and want to see it in the DB, so I'd appreciate help in getting it up to snuff.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:16 am

looks like a heavy crop, so you have little tolerance room in term of sharpness, seems the wing edges are jaggie, but like the nose is soft.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:13 am

Quoting powwwiii (Reply 8):
looks like a heavy crop, so you have little tolerance room in term of sharpness, seems the wing edges are jaggie, but like the nose is soft.

It wasn't heavy per se, but it a bit more than I normally do (which is also why I left it less-than-tight on the aircraft).

I'll give it a last shot with selective sharpening and what not. Thanks for the feedback mate, appreciated.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:15 pm

Can I get a pre-screen on this one?

http://i2.minus.com/igSq5vvUT4AM3.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 10):

To my eye look just slightly soft and low contrast. I adjusted the exposure a bit as well to my eye how I would upload as levels on the right seem to have a big gap. Then again I usually shoot clear blue sky vs the smog lol.

Also I made notes on two things that stood out when I equalized the image, see for yourself.

Exposure & Contrast: http://i.minus.com/ibqXAF5ZpdUGPU.jpg

Dust spots: http://i.minus.com/ib0RcHkT2fkX8R.jpg
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:51 pm

Ugh, I totally forgot to do a dust check. Again.

Thanks mate. I've revised the necessary bits (including a bit of vignetting I noticed thank to your equalised example).

Better now?

http://i3.minus.com/ixxYbhyxBPkqS.jpg

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:21 pm

For me it seems a bit dark at the bottom still... And I really doubt if heli at the background adds to this photo or makes unnecessary distraction.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:34 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 12):

Much better than before!
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:30 pm

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 13):
And I really doubt if heli at the background adds to this photo or makes unnecessary distraction.

Whether it adds to the photo or not, it's not a reason for rejection.
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:34 am

Quoting kulverstukas (Reply 13):
For me it seems a bit dark at the bottom still... And I really doubt if heli at the background adds to this photo or makes unnecessary distraction.

It would be better if it was more "involved" in the shot, but I prefer it there regardless, as opposed to "aircraft against boring grey sky"

Quoting mohammedzaheer (Reply 14):
Much better than before!

Awesome, thanks

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 15):
Whether it adds to the photo or not, it's not a reason for rejection.

Your views on the photo itself? Passable?

By the way, happy 11th A.net birthday!  

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:32 am

Ahoy folks! Been trawling through the archives and re-editing shots with a little potential. Wondering if I can get a pre-screen on these:

http://i4.minus.com/ibG7CECTXoht4.jpg

http://i6.minus.com/ibhXRuxeu77yKP.jpg

http://i3.minus.com/iQz7ivjMiFN6Q.jpg

http://i6.minus.com/ibjlz0AyJLd2el.jpg


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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:11 am

Here's my take on them:

1. Looks good.
2. Looks quite soft in places. DOF, maybe?
3. Looks good to me, although history shows that screeners don't always agree with me about lighting/contrast on underside shots... Possibly distance also, although I like the bit of extra space for the vortices.
4. Not sure how the lighting will go over. It's probably about as good as you can get it, though.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:51 am

Marty, thanks for your reply.

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 18):
1. Looks good.

:D

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 18):
2. Looks quite soft in places. DOF, maybe?

Could you help me out by pointing out the soft parts?

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 18):
3. Looks good to me, although history shows that screeners don't always agree with me about lighting/contrast on underside shots... Possibly distance also, although I like the bit of extra space for the vortices.

I've faced similar issues with underside lighting as well as leaving space, so I'll hold this until I can get more opinions.

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 18):
4. Not sure how the lighting will go over. It's probably about as good as you can get it, though.

Yeah, the lighting's less than ideal, but I did massage the crap out of this shot to get it to what I thought was acceptable. Again, I'll wait for more input on this.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:33 pm

For me all four looks perfect, but screeners almost always thinks different...
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:09 am

Post-screening help needed guys...

This was rejected ONLY for oversharpened a few weeks ago:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140725_h1405502102.0127anet-6986-j4064-16jul.jpg

Fair enough.

I re-edited it from the ground up, and made an exposure/contrast adjustment based on some off-site recommendations. Ended up with this:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/APPEAL_20140804_g1406456221.2273anet-6986-j4064-27jul-2.jpg

That revised edit was then rejected for... wait for it...

quality
contrast
oversharpened
soft

I immediately appealed it and then...

It came back with blurry added to the rejection reasons!

So yeah. I've already done the whole "bang your head on the desk and dropkick a kitten" thing. Now what? Is this simply not up to a.net's ever-changing standards? Or is there an acceptable edit lurking in there somewhere?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:26 am

For me first one looks better in terms of contrast. Both seems oversharpened (to anet standarts, as it mean pixel peeping at "jagges") visible on all letters and strongly on white rod under tailbeam. I can't see any traces of blurriness through...
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:56 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 22):
For me first one looks better in terms of contrast. Both seems oversharpened (to anet standarts, as it mean pixel peeping at "jagges") visible on all letters and strongly on white rod under tailbeam. I can't see any traces of blurriness through...

  

I would use the first one as a baseline with a bit less sharpening in places.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 22):
Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 23):

Thanks for the reply guys. How's this?

http://i1.minus.com/ibf8FzST0EFskZ.jpg

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Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:08 pm

To my untrained eyes, it looks good. Very sharp for subject in motion. I don't know if A-net likes overcast days though, but I will refrain from speculation. Good luck!
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:43 am

Better but not enough for Anet I'm afraid. Honestly, for my eyes it's seems too small for so many details. If you want, I can try to sharpen it by layers technic but to start with I prefer to use at least 3000px wide photos.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:56 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 26):
Better but not enough for Anet I'm afraid.

"Not enough" as in too much sharpening or too little?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:55 am

Now it soft.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 28):
Now it soft.

Oh well. Hendra Barnes has very kindly offered to help with the editing, so if he can salvage something, I'll try uploading it again. Otherwise I'll just let it be.


Today there's this, binned for soft and quality:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/APPEAL_20140811_l1406924879.29191600px-5276-08blue-2aug-2.jpg

Is it really soft? Seems ok to me. The 'quality' rejection is a reference to the size, I assume. But it seems generally ok to me. I've already appealed but thought I'd get some opinions just in case the rejection was upheld.

And for a bit of post-screening, I dug these out from my 2010 Miramar shots and gave them fresh edits. Wondering if any are passable:

http://i5.minus.com/i5EvHPTJRDMax.jpg

http://i7.minus.com/ieBrocOJaYKBr.jpg

http://i2.minus.com/iSSDuj8wJeB7T.jpg


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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:07 pm

Well don't I feel like a bit of a pompous arse - the Russian Knights Flanker was accepted on appeal  

Pre-screen on the rear shots would be greatly appreciated though!

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:10 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 29):
Is it really soft?

Top of nose part, especially MiG logo and Русские Витязи are. It's not really soft (even close to OS), but too light so seems soft.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 31):
Top of nose part, especially MiG logo and Русские Витязи are. It's not really soft (even close to OS), but too light so seems soft.

That's just a result of the light reflecting off that general area, I think. Anyhow, it's accepted on appeal  
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Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:59 am

Engine shoots are great. Did you tried lower highlight at them - to bring some sky and wings back, possible?
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:01 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 33):
Did you tried lower highlight at them - to bring some sky and wings back, possible?

I did, but then they were looking quite flat. It was a very overcast morning, so getting contrast correct has been a bit difficult. All three times I did Miramar was on horribly muggy and overcast days, just my luck!

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:44 am

Pre screen:

is the depth of field too thin to be acceptable on this one?



As an aside, if any of you shoot close up with telephotos, how do you deal with DoF issues - simply stop down or am I missing something else?

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):

DOF is not enough, might get rejected for soft or out of focus (its very obvious if one brings attention to the landing gear, wings, and etc.)...otherwise a great picture. Personally I like any plane, whether its perfectly shot or casually shot, a plane is a plane.

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Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:08 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
is the depth of field too thin to be acceptable on this one?

It doesn't bother me, but I think it might get rejected. If at least the main gear were sharper, it would look better, I think.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 35):
As an aside, if any of you shoot close up with telephotos, how do you deal with DoF issues - simply stop down or am I missing something else?

Stop down, yes. Also, instead of focusing on the nose, I may focus on something more toward the middle of the aircraft (if I want the whole thing to be relatively sharp).

How far were you from the aircrat, and what focal length and aperture?
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 37):
How far were you from the aircrat

Not far. I was shooting departures and then quickly pivoted to grab this. This is a minimal crop (leveled and tightened a bit) of a 200mm shot at f/4.5. For some reason, the camera front focused, so the DoF is centred around the HUD.

Anyway, I don't see the sense in chancing this, so I'll leave it out.

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Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:56 pm

f/4.5? It seems as bright day, what was ISO and shutter speed then?
 
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Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 38):
200mm shot at f/4.5

Ah, yeah, I'm not surprised then. You were maybe a couple hundred feet away?
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Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:44 am

Tail and stab look too blurry to my taste, also I would like some more contrast on this image.
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:04 am

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 39):
f/4.5? It seems as bright day, what was ISO and shutter speed then?

ISO 100, 1/400s. I was trying to get some background motion blur on the departure shots, hence the unusual settings. I shoot at f/4-5.6 to minimise the effects of dust spots - yes, I'm that lazy!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 40):
You were maybe a couple hundred feet away?

Probably a hundred or less. I know DoF is the issue with this shot. Just needed to get a go/no-go on whether to bother uploading at all.

Quoting powwwiii (Reply 41):
Tail and stab look too blurry to my taste, also I would like some more contrast on this image.

I have another one from this series, shot from further away. Hopefully it will pass muster.

Thanks for all the help with this shot guys.

Now a rejection that I need some help with:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20140815_s1407232991.7104anet-1703-js133-5aug.jpg

This was done for 'dirty' and 'distance'. I'll find the spots and sort them, but I really don't want to crop in more (it's alreayd pretty heavy) and I like the composition with the recently-fired flares in the frame. If a screener or head screener could just weigh in on the crop I'd be very grateful.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:58 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 42):
I was trying to get some background motion blur on the departure shots,

by opening up the aperture to increase the shutter speed? I don't get it...

Quoting angad84 (Reply 42):
I shoot at f/4-5.6 to minimise the effects of dust spots - yes, I'm that lazy!

??? You do know that opening up so much would get you the most soft originals, right?

Quoting angad84 (Reply 42):
and 'distance'. I

not so bad but I have seen better. Borderline imo, Had the sky been darker I am sure it would have not been rejected for distance. These two photos have far more empty space:


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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:36 pm

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 43):
??? You do know that opening up so much would get you the most soft originals, right?

May not be much of an issue depending on your lenses. I usually shoot in the late afternoon and evening, and opening up the aperture is the first thing I do as light goes down - doesn't make a whole lot of difference (in fact, I rarely shoot at smaller than F6.3 these days). My lenses are quite sharp at F4.

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 43):
Had the sky been darker I am sure it would have not been rejected for distance.

Agreed. I don't think the flare is prevalent enough to justify the crop. Angad, you could try a darker exposure to bring the flare out more.
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:19 am

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 43):
??? You do know that opening up so much would get you the most soft originals, right?

Basically what Vik said:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 44):
May not be much of an issue depending on your lenses. I usually shoot in the late afternoon and evening, and opening up the aperture is the first thing I do as light goes down - doesn't make a whole lot of difference (in fact, I rarely shoot at smaller than F6.3 these days). My lenses are quite sharp at F4.

With the 70-200 f/4L IS I find almost no increase in sharpness beyond f/5.6. With the f/2.8 version of the lens, there is a noticeable improvement in sharpness if you close the aperture two stops (again to f/5.6). With lenses like the Canon 100-400L, of course, one must stop down to achieve maximum sharpness.

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 43):
by opening up the aperture to increase the shutter speed? I don't get it...

Nope. What I meant was I usually shoot 1/800 or 1/1000 to eliminate motion blur. Slowing shutter to 1/400s is enough to get a little background blur on aircraft as they rotate, just enough to separate them from the scenery. Should've been more specific.

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 43):
not so bad but I have seen better. Borderline imo, Had the sky been darker I am sure it would have not been rejected for distance.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 44):
Agreed. I don't think the flare is prevalent enough to justify the crop. Angad, you could try a darker exposure to bring the flare out more.

It was already pretty hazy and difficult to sort out exposure and contrast in post. I'll see what I can rustle up though, thanks for the help.

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Angad
 
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:53 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 45):
It was already pretty hazy and difficult to sort out exposure and contrast in post. I'll see what I can rustle up though, thanks for the help.

I'm thinking something more like this, though I couldn't say whether it would be accepted or not:

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:15 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 46):
I'm thinking something more like this, though I couldn't say whether it would be accepted or not:

I personally like your edit a lot, and in fact did a very similar one myself, but then the feedback forums have seen a lot really odd "dark" rejections lately and I didn't want to risk that or a contrast rejection. Given that it was only given the boot for distance and dirty, I may have some leeway. This is what's in the queue at the moment:

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/q1408648423.0946anet-1703-js133-22aug.jpg

Hopefully it'll get through this time.

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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:53 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 47):
This is what's in the queue at the moment:

Looks better to me.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 47):
but then the feedback forums have seen a lot really odd "dark" rejections lately and I didn't want to risk that or a contrast rejection.

I hear ya. But a darker non-silhouette exposure (of the actual airplane) is sometimes justified, depending on the background. In at least one of my airplane-with-full-moon shots, the airplane is significantly darker than usual, to avoid blowing out the moon. But it's obviously subjective.

Hey, oddly enough, I just noticed that the color of my edit is significantly different than your original. Very strange - I don't think I tweaked the color (certainly not THAT much). All I intended to do were a bit of brightness and levels adjustments.
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RE: Pre/post Screening - Angad

Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:57 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 48):
Hey, oddly enough, I just noticed that the color of my edit is significantly different than your original. Very strange

Yeah I noticed the colour difference too. Probably something to do with my adjustments in Lightroom versus yours in PS? Or maybe some sort of RAW vs JPEG editing changes.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 48):
But it's obviously subjective.

And that was my worry :p

Cheers
Angad

EDIT: I just went back and checked. This version was actually an older edit than the original rejected shot and the processing was different — the WB was a touch cooler, which I think is making the difference in colours.

[Edited 2014-08-21 23:15:03]

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