andrewmoir
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Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:04 pm

What does this mean?

Thank you.
 
vikkyvik
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:07 pm

I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
 
andrewmoir
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:11 pm

Wow. That's pretty harsh.
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:14 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 2):
Wow. That's pretty harsh.

You haven't posted the photo with all the rejection reasons, so can't say if it's harsh or not.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:20 pm

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...3_v1404438130.9545trans_canada.jpg

That was the only reason. I would have thought a site like this would be happy to have more shots of rare liveries.

[Edited 2014-07-13 13:21:10]
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 4):
That was the only reason. I would have thought a site like this would be happy to have more shots of rare liveries.

Don't jump to conclusions so quickly. If "common" was the only reason, it very well could have been a mistake. Appeal it and tell them what happened.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:30 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):

Okay, thanks Vik. I've just been getting a bit depressed lately with a number of rejections. I have appealed this rejection.

Thank you.
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:07 pm

Vik is right. Common as a reason is only used in conjunction with other reasons. That is one reason I really think should be done without. From what I understand some screeners will use it and others won't.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:52 pm

'Category' is also a reason. Maybe Common means that you did not get cut any slack because there are lots of other images to refer to?
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:19 pm

Quoting len90 (Reply 7):
'Category' is also a reason.

Ha, that's a good point that I totally missed!

Yes, "Category" is a rejection reason. So it could be a valid rejection. Did you not choose "colorful special"?
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:55 am

Yeah true but for the explanation given on the site, the image would be too common for the category listed.... I've personally always taken common with a grain of salt. You correct the other issue and the common really can't be the only reason to reject an image. Now keep in mind there are 266 pictures of that registration on here. However, to me a photographer photographing a more "common" plane for the first time should really not be subject to the common rule like that. Just my feelings on that.

Now for the category, if you didn't select colorful special that will be it.

[Edited 2014-07-13 19:58:35]
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting len90 (Reply 10):
Yeah true but for the explanation given on the site, the image would be too common for the category listed.

No. Common and Category are independent rejection reasons. It was marked with the wrong category, and it's also a very common airframe.

Quoting len90 (Reply 10):
common really can't be the only reason to reject an image.

And if Category was also a rejection reason, then Common wasn't the only reason.

Quoting len90 (Reply 10):
However, to me a photographer photographing a more "common" plane for the first time should really not be subject to the common rule like that. Just my feelings on that.

Screeners have absolutely no way of knowing how many times a photographer has shot a particular airplane. And that would lead to horrendous accusations of favoritism - justifiable accusations, for once.

Besides which, since Common isn't given as the sole rejection reason, it doesn't really matter. "Common" isn't a rule so much as it is an additional piece of information given to the photographer.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:02 pm

So just to clarify...

For example:

Say Picture A gets rejected for: 1) Soft 2). Over-exposed and 3). Common

On the second upload attempt, if the first two rejection reasons are rectified and the picture is ok for the db, will the screeners still apply the "Common" rejection? In other words, are "Common" rejections destined to never be accepted into the db even if the other rejection reasons are addressed/rectified? Or does it depend on the individual screeners?

Thanks.

[Edited 2014-07-15 07:03:41]
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:14 pm

Thanks Vik!

From my prior experience if you correct the other issues then the common will not be used against you. I had an image that was rejected for soft and common. I correct the soft issue and resubmitted. The image was accepted. This is why I personally think common is a reason that can be done away with.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting hkg82 (Reply 12):
On the second upload attempt, if the first two rejection reasons are rectified and the picture is ok for the db, will the screeners still apply the "Common" rejection? In other words, are "Common" rejections destined to never be accepted into the db even if the other rejection reasons are addressed/rectified? Or does it depend on the individual screeners?

A common rejection is given when there are lots of photos of that aircraft in the database. Because of that, a higher standard is generally required for a photo to be accepted. It'll be rejected for any minor flaws and common added. If the flaws are rectified, common won't apply providing it meets the high standards needed. As mentioned earlier, common is only given along with other rejections reasons to signify a higher standard is applied due to the number of photos in the database.

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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:04 pm

Quoting hkg82 (Reply 12):
On the second upload attempt, if the first two rejection reasons are rectified and the picture is ok for the db, will the screeners still apply the "Common" rejection?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: see Darren's post.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:04 pm

Understood, thanks all!
 
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 6):

So we've had a bunch of discussion, but haven't heard anything back from you. Was "Category" a rejection reason in the first place?
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:07 pm

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
So we've had a bunch of discussion, but haven't heard anything back from you. Was "Category" a rejection reason in the first place?

Looking at the log, it was rejected for common and category.

Frankly, I would have fixed the category, except that when a photographer has had a string of missing category uploads the only way to bring their attention to the problem is through a rejection.

But to be clear - no it was not rejected for common alone.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:39 pm

Quoting alevik (Reply 18):

Thanks Pete. Well that clears it up!
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:36 am

Sadly I have had pictures just for common alone and I must say I am not the greatest editor and also don't have much of choice when it comes to places to shoot from at my home airport (YYZ)

Now for "category, won't it be easy to have the screener select the right ones if the up loader forget to select the right one rather than rejecting the picture?

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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:15 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 20):
Sadly I have had pictures just for common alone

If you get rejections for Common alone, you should appeal them.

Quoting kl692 (Reply 20):
Now for "category, won't it be easy to have the screener select the right ones if the up loader forget to select the right one rather than rejecting the picture?

Already answered:

Quoting alevik (Reply 18):
Frankly, I would have fixed the category, except that when a photographer has had a string of missing category uploads the only way to bring their attention to the problem is through a rejection.
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RE: Rejection: "Common Category"

Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:35 pm

Quoting kl692 (Reply 20):
Sadly I have had pictures just for common alone and I must say I am not the greatest editor and also don't have much of choice when it comes to places to shoot from at my home airport (YYZ)

I looked at the log back to October 2012, for every image you have had rejected for common. There was not one that was rejected for common alone. Not a single one.
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