andrewmoir
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Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:15 pm

I'm starting to get a bit frustrated with all the rejections I've been receiving recently. For example, the shot below was rejected for blurriness.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...20140722_z1405206412.2936fedex.jpg

I am having a real hard time comprehending all these rejections. This shot below was rejected for oversharpening, when I applied hardly any sharpening.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20140722_c1405172963.5792ups.jpg

[Edited 2014-07-22 05:16:50]
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:46 pm

The aircraft on first one seems a bit soft for me, while the power lines already getting a "stairs" effect. Maybe that was meant. For the second I also can hardly comprehend oversharpening.
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:05 pm

Both rejections are okay in my eyes.

The 2nd does have indeed oversharpned titles and reg. You said you hardly attached sharping on the 2nd pic. What do you mean by this? Could it be that you have your incamera sharping quite high? Thus resulting in: No need to resharp --> No chance to adopt selective areras sharping?
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:22 pm

Quoting MLP86 (Reply 1):

Can I fix this image by sharpening it more? I imagine I would need to sharpen the entire image because this site doesn't allow selective editing? I already used two rounds of the unsharpen tool, 70%, radius .2.

Thanks
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 3):
I imagine I would need to sharpen the entire image because this site doesn't allow selective editing?

No, selective sharpening is perfectly fine, it is even mentioned in the editing guide as a suggestion.  

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:55 pm

Is selective noise reduction allowed too? (The sky)

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 5):
Is selective noise reduction allowed too? (The sky)

Yes, and is often required with the sites silly insistence of zero tolerance of noise of any description. Apart from certain cases.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:06 am

I have since purchased a new lens since taking those photos.

Can somebody comment on the photo below? Does it require more sharpening given it's current size?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/y1406073692.1224wja.jpg

Thanks.
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:37 am

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 7):
Can somebody comment on the photo below? Does it require more sharpening given it's current size?

Looks not bad to me. Maybe a bit on the oversharpened and contrasty side.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:48 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Thread starter):
This shot below was rejected for oversharpening, when I applied hardly any sharpening.

Sorry to bring this back up, but I had the same problem. You need to go into your camera internaly and tone down the sharpining off the camera. I have a Pentax K30 and in my Aviation mode I had sharping at 0, but I found it was sharping the photos to where I didn't need them to be, so I put it down two spots and it's not to sharp, and not to soft.
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:20 am

I think calling the first one blurry is extremely picky. Most likely got a strict screener I suppose.

Second one looks maybe soft to me; certainly don't see oversharpening as a whole.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:29 am

Usually the first things I check when I look for oversharpening is the windows, which I learned from this site. I took a look at my camera menu and couldn't find any sharpening settings.

So this one still looks over sharpened eh? I adjusted the curves so the contrast should be better.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/m1406161397.6261wja.jpg

I sharpened it with the unsharpen tool in photoshop, amount 70% radius .2, threshold 2. Maybe the sharpens the photos? It's a Sigma 70-300 APO DG with marco mode off.

Thanks.

[Edited 2014-07-23 18:30:26]
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:44 am

Hi,

Yes, this one is still oversharpened and now might be a bit bright.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:27 am

I just realized the reason for my recent rejects is because I'm shooting JPEG AND sharpening in photoshop. I didn't realize the camera automatically sharpens JPEG pics.

I have had shots accepted here before shooting JPEG so I will just stop sharpening the shots. Does anyone else shoot JPEG or do you all shoot RAW? RAW confuses me.

Cheers,
andrew

[Edited 2014-07-23 19:28:27]
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 13):
Does anyone else shoot JPEG or do you all shoot RAW? RAW confuses me.

RAW. I think the last time I shot JPEG was the first week after I bought my first DSLR.

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 13):
I didn't realize the camera automatically sharpens JPEG pics.

Yes, it does. But you can control how much it sharpens them, plus a bunch of other export settings.

Shooting RAW basically allows you to control all those export settings on your computer.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:35 am

Hi,

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 13):
RAW confuses me.

RAW actually confuses me less! Instead of having the camera control a lot of variables, as Vik stated above, you control them, or at least more of them in post-processing.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:06 am

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 13):
I just realized the reason for my recent rejects is because I'm shooting JPEG AND sharpening in photoshop

I wouldn't agree that's the reason. I shoot JPEG all the time and have 6,500 shots on the database! Just make sure your camera is applying minimal in-camera sharpening. My default is to have everything set to 0. I've had few problems.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:59 pm

Good morning gentlemen,

Ok so I found the setting and reduced the sharpness to zero on the camera. I then edited the JPEG file in photoshop and produced the photo below.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/q1406207734.4196embraer.jpg

Do you think that's the correct amount of sharpness? I made sure by zooming in on the windows and there were none of those "spots" from oversharpening.

Thanks,
Andrew

[Edited 2014-07-24 06:16:34]
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 17):
Do you think that's the correct amount of sharpness?

The front half of the fuselage looks fine on my screen. The aft is a little soft though. It's also noisy in the sky and it needs to be cropped a little on the right to centre is better.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:12 am

Good evening

Can one of you guys have a look at the two photos below? I have sharpened them in Lightroom and PS so I'm looking for some feedback.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/y1406329765.1252aca-2.jpg

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...g/ready/z1406344245.1709airbus.jpg

Thanks
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:13 am

Commenting on sharpness only, the first looks a bit soft, and the second a bit oversharpened.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:11 am

ERJ looks soft/blurry, 320 seems passable in term of sharpness. But both seems have a strong contrast, and a magenta/red tint.
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:50 am

Agree with Tao on everything except the contrast on the 320. I thought the contrast on that one would be acceptable. Magenta/red tint on the 320 is also not as bad as the tint on the 190.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:48 pm

Can I please get a pre-screen on the shots below?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/o1406565677.826fedex.jpg

^ That shot was rejected in my first post. I applied more sharpening, and reduced the noise in the sky.

Also, can I get an opinion on the shot below?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...g/ready/e1406516156.3793c-guws.jpg

Thanks
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:28 pm

Hi,

The first looks fine to me now. The second looks pretty good but appears to have too much noise reduction applied to it, as there are areas, mainly under the wing that are a bit blotchy and lacking detail.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:41 pm

Also I would say the lettering on the WS 737 is slightly soft.

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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:44 pm

Quoting DL747 (Reply 24):
The second looks pretty good but appears to have too much noise reduction applied to it, as there are areas, mainly under the wing that are a bit blotchy and lacking detail.

Agreed, which is probably contributing to:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 25):
Also I would say the lettering on the WS 737 is slightly soft.

I would also lower it in the frame some.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:04 am

Hey guys,

I know this site likes cool artsy shots, I was wondering if the shot below had any chance. It's cool how the title is well lit.

http://i.imgur.com/6ncdDT3.jpg
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:29 am

Hi,

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 27):
cool artsy shots

I don't really think this falls into this category. The shot seems very toplit and the top of the fuselage is blown out while the bottom is dark. It is also oversharpened in spots and soft in others, harsh, and looks a bit yellow to me.

John

[Edited 2014-08-05 17:30:01]
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:29 am

Quoting DL747 (Reply 28):
I don't really think this falls into this category.

Fully agree. Andrew, it's basically a photo taken in not-spectacular light. The upper half is borderline overexposed, and the whole thing is a bit over-contrasted. Overall quality doesn't look great.

As we've mentioned before, you'll help yourself immensely if you shoot in good light to start with.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:26 pm

Ok what about this shot? It was rejected for wrong category. I selected the morning/dusk/night category. Shot was probably taken between 6-7 AM. Do you think an appeal is worth it?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...140805_b1406569161.4535embraer.jpg
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 30):
Ok what about this shot? It was rejected for wrong category. I selected the morning/dusk/night category. Shot was probably taken between 6-7 AM. Do you think an appeal is worth it?

This isn't a subjective rejection. The sun is up, therefore the shot is not "dusk/night/dawn".

When you upload a shot, next to all the possible category selections, there are helpful little "Read Me" links; I suggest you read them prior to choosing a category. For the dusk/night/dawn category, it simply says:

A photo shot when the sun is below the horizon.
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:47 am

Hi guys,

Wondering if you can provide some feedback on these night shots.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...407888834.7997air_canada_final.jpg

and

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...eady/b1407890235.3237departure.jpg

The first one I sharpened using the lens blur option and used some noise reduction.

Thanks.  
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:13 am

I like both but I'm not sure that they have good chances here.

The Air Canada looks quite soft in spots. I think it is also in an awkward 'in between' spot light-wise. If that is how it really looked you could certainly argue that point, but I'd say you might be better off with more contrast and a pure silhouette.

On the second, both the aircraft and part of the runway are heavily heat hazed, which is probably going to get you a rejection. It also looks like it would need some CCW rotation.
 
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RE: Nothing But Rejections

Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting andrewmoir (Reply 32):

Both photos would likely be rejected for dark at the least. The first one is kind of cool, but you could have exposed it significantly brighter and kept the same effect.

In the second, there's not enough detail in the runway and such to warrant it, really, and the runway lights don't really stand out at all. Again, if it had been exposed considerably brighter, it may have stood a chance.
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