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Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:00 pm

So I have made a second round of submission. Shot with D800 w/ 28-300.
Image 1: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ady/q1407430158.0625dsc_3832-2.jpg
Image 2: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ady/n1407430038.0104dsc_3703-2.jpg

I think I have tried my best to make the photos adhere to A-net standards. I took about 300 shots that day, about 30 or so are keepers, these 2 are what I think are some of the most interesting to look at. All critiques and tips are welcome, I want to keep on improving to reach A-net level.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:39 pm

Cool photos - unfortunately both look a bit blurry to me, somewhat noisy in the sky, and the 2nd one has an obvious dust spot above the #6 airplane.
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:40 pm

Hi,

1. dark, flat, soft, blurry, out of focus, noisy
2. backlit, soft, flat, dark, blurry

I would advise that you look at the rejection and editing guides, first off. Also, make sure the sun is at your back for optimal results. Sorry, but I don't think either of these will have the quality to make it.

John

[Edited 2014-08-07 14:40:28]
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:57 pm

Quoting DL747 (Reply 2):
1. dark, flat, soft, blurry, out of focus, noisy
2. backlit, soft, flat, dark, blurry


I did look at the guides, and to be frank, the pictures linked on the guide are showing its age. For example the part about noise reduction, I can only marginally make out the difference. I would like examples that I can pixel peep so that I can see what the fuss is about :-/

Sigh, unless I use something like a Nikon 200MM F2 VR that has excellent sharpness, it looks like the Nikon 28-300 VR will never cut it. 2nd is indeed a bit blurry, but first one is tack sharp at 36mpx. For brightness, I did keep it a bit lower to avoid blown highlights on details. As for noise, I don't know what to say, I did not sharpen it at all, and they're at reasonable ISO. Anyway, thanks for yall honest opinions, I'll keep trying  

[Edited 2014-08-07 17:00:56]

[Edited 2014-08-07 17:04:25]
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:50 am

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 3):
but first one is tack sharp at 36mpx.

If it's tack sharp at full-size, then something in your editing is making it softer. Could just be the resizing process - even my shots that are tack-sharp require some sharpening after resizing.

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 3):
I did look at the guides, and to be frank, the pictures linked on the guide are showing its age. For example the part about noise reduction, I can only marginally make out the difference. I would like examples that I can pixel peep so that I can see what the fuss is about :-/

You've gotta give it some time. It took me probably a year or so for my acceptance rate hit 50%.

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 3):
I'll keep trying

Please do so.
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:23 am

On the second one, could the #5 have been moving relative to the others? It seems significantly more blurry. The others look a bit soft, but not blurry to me. You could try a bit more sharpening overall and then some additional sharpening only on the #5.

If you have not had photos accepted here yet I would recommend also working on some of your other shots that might be less interesting but perhaps also less challenging. It's easier working the more difficult edits if you have some accepted images as references for your editing workflow and your judgement of the results.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:53 am

I have retweaked the pictures. I also deleted the older ones from upload queue. I hope it is a bit better as I added quite a bit more brightness, contrast, sharpness as well as a tighter crop...

Tweaked 1: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/q1407469678.3528n62382b.jpg
Tweaked 2: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/q1407469678.3528n62382b.jpg

[Edited 2014-08-07 20:56:00]
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:18 am

Hi,

Those two are the same images. Sorry, but those will not be accepted. You cannot fix blur and these seem fairly blurry in areas.

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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:47 am

Just to clarify, 'Tweaked 1' and 'Tweaked 2' are both image 1.

If the image was sharp at full resolution, how much did you have to crop? Heavy cropping can also result in indistinct edges.

If you have not done it already, I would also experiment with any interpolation options when you scale the image. Perhaps the mode you are choosing is affecting the edge detail.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Sorry, I accidentally double linked. Here's image 2: https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/z1407469724.5854n65370b.jpg

@mjgbtv I've only had to crop about 30%, meaning whats left of the frame is 60% of original file. When I resize I used
Bicubic Automatic in photoshop.

@DL747 By blurry, did you mean soft or out of focus or lack of micro-contrast? Blurry is an all encompassing description that doesn't help describe the causes. Frankly, I have no idea what blur you are referring to, are you referring to the edges of the wingtip and the propeller? Would it be passable for a creative shot? I haven't seen a similarly composed photo for this aircraft on here, it'll be a great shot that demonstrate the maneuverability of the SNJ-2 Texan...

[Edited 2014-08-08 06:09:30]
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:45 pm

Hi,

Blurry doesn't really need to be specified, all I see is a very soft, motion blurred airplane and that just will not work. I doubt it will be passable.

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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:59 pm

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 9):
When I resize I used Bicubic Automatic in photoshop.

I use GIMP, not PS, so I can't suggest a particular option in PS. I would just try them all to see what works best.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:35 pm

Quoting DL747 (Reply 10):
Hi,

Blurry doesn't really need to be specified, all I see is a very soft, motion blurred airplane and that just will not work. I doubt it will be passable.

John
Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 11):
I use GIMP, not PS, so I can't suggest a particular option in PS. I would just try them all to see what works best.

@John, thanks for your continued enthusiasm. I will continue try and improve.

@mjgbtv, thank you for your pragmatic tips, they've been helpful.

I have a few more pictures lined up, I'll just wait till this queue is processed. "bad" pictures get through from time to time, I have my fingers crossed...
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:46 pm

Hi,

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 12):
@John, thanks for your continued enthusiasm. I will continue try and improve.

Sorry, I do now realize I've been a bit negative. I apologize for that.   I just didn't want to give you a bum steer and have you work pointlessly on an image that is blurred. I do, however, want to stress that you are off to a pretty good start and you certainly started off better than I did. Your images aren't too far off being acceptable and I do hope you keep trying!  

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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 9):
When I resize I used
Bicubic Automatic in photoshop.

Yes, this is what you want when you resize in PS.
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting combatshadow (Reply 14):
Quoting AMDX1325 (Reply 9):When I resize I used
Bicubic Automatic in photoshop.

This means Bicubic Sharper if you reduce. Sometimes it's not good. Probably better use USM, then reduce using Bicubic Smoother and then use USM again.
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 15):

Interesting, I never tried USM then Bicubic Smoother + USM. I'll try it on next batch of files I am uploading. Thanks for the tip!
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:11 am

Hi,

The only editing I do before resizing is leveling, cloning for dust spots, and cropping. Everything else is done after, and I find that works much better for me. Now, I'm not saying that is the only way to do things, but it has worked the best for me.

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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:49 am

Here's another shot I'm working on, I made two version, which is better? I know its an overcast day with not the perfect illumination, but I would just like some opinions. Thanks!

SV Version 1: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5594/14902644525_e73ccc1d2c_o.jpg
SV Version 2: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3850/14715976810_10fcd42987_o.jpg

[Edited 2014-08-12 19:53:35]
 
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:09 am

Both are pretty low in the frame.

I'd advice to shoot in good conditions, after 36 acceptances I still don't feel comfortable shooting in overcast conditions. But, as others have mentioned, good start - my first tries were much worse than yours.  
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RE: Pre-Screening (2nd Submission) WW2 Plane

Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:51 am

Hi,

1. flat, soft, low in frame, dark, borderline oversharpened in spots
2. flat, borderline oversharpened, low in frame, soft in spots

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