Rejection Motive.

bustin · Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:22 pm

I have this motive rejection. I would like why this picture is motive rejection. I show a scene of maintenance before flight. Siceresly I don´t understand.

https://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...me=d1427145400.1834150226-3451.jpg

Regards

jaspc · Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:37 pm

It probably has to do with the ladder attached to the cockpit. That said I don't see anything wrong with the image, I like it a lot.

Also, did you submit this as a bigger than 1200 pixel image? In my experience they don't like that at all - probably has to do with bandwidth costs. A.net upsizes images for display on the fly, maybe to keep costs down. I just got a rejection that I will be posting here shortly. Rejection reason was "over sharpened" and it was a 1600 pixel image. Been getting a lot of those lately because I'm not submitting anything that is not over the top sharp in the original raw image. Your image is very sharp too.

My website, I would post it without hesitation.

Best,

JASPC

bustin · Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:36 am

Thanks JASPC.

I have only rejection motive. I has a first rejection of this picture motive, but it was "Unbalanced crop", and I have reedited with crop balanced. Now again I have rejection motive but I don´t know what is the reason this time.
Ladder attached to cockpit or ground crew working around aicraft is not rejection motive, usually, with screener here nothing is sure in all (with all respect to screener work).

kulverstukas · Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:17 am

I think it's ladder and hose (blocking left gear). But photo seems good to me. I'd appeal and ask for explanations.

angad84 · Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:54 am

Quoting bustin (Reply 2):
Ladder attached to cockpit or ground crew working around aicraft is not rejection motive, usually, with screener here nothing is sure in all (with all respect to screener work).

This type of shot is definitely acceptable.

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The ladder should not be an issue - it's a parked a/c undergoing some sort of work, the ladder is there presumably to provide access for the work being performed. If there are no problems with men at work on a/c (and the pictures I've linked demonstrates there isn't) then, within reason, there should be no problem with objects cluttering the frame, provided they're have a purpose (again, demonstrated by the shots above).

Cheers
Angad

bustin · Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 4):
This type of shot is definitely acceptable.

Thanks Angab.

I see I have not reply from screeners or headscreener so I appeal to at least I hope get some explanation what is the motive of rejection.

Regards

angad84 · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:37 am

Quoting bustin (Reply 5):
I see I have not reply from screeners or headscreener so I appeal to at least I hope get some explanation what is the motive of rejection.

Have you already appealed? I would do that if motive was the only rejection reason.

Cheers
Angad

bustin · Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:26 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 6):

Well Angad. Appealed and once again rejected by "motive" and "reupload" added. No explanation to the motive rejection reason. Maybe I asked too much.

Thanks to all for the time you've taken and worked with your replica. Specialy to Angad.

Best Regards.

bustin · Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:11 pm

I have two rejection today.

Exactly same motives rejection to very different pictures. Granny-Soft-Dark.

I appealed and... Granny-soft dark rejection con personal "Screen correct".

I would like know where is the granny here, what area is soft here or if really this pictures are dark. Opinions are welcome.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...15_x1428600453.8064150409-0068.jpg

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...15_s1428608018.7659150326-0080.jpg

Regards

Bustin

angad84 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting bustin (Reply 7):
Appealed and once again rejected by "motive" and "reupload" added

Good lord.

Quoting bustin (Reply 8):
I would like know where is the granny here, what area is soft here or if really this pictures are dark. Opinions are welcome.

The F-22 doesn't look too grainy, but it is certainly soft and dark (though not by very much). The light is not helping. Just increase exposure a tiny bit, add a kick of contrast and sharpening and should look much tidier. And don't forget an extra helping of NR after the exposure/contrast adjustments.

The Learjet on the other hand doesn't look soft, but certainly grainy (belly and shadow areas) and dark again because of the lighting.

Cheers
Angad

bustin · Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:52 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 9):
The light is not helping.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 9):
dark again because of the lighting.

Thanks Angad. I will follow your advise. Really is difficult for me understand dark rejection in both pictures. No all pictures can be perfect sky blue backkground . Sure I can see pictures much darker in db and similar light conditiona (pictures of me too). But I guess and understahd every picture is one new different world.

Only I hope no get overexposed rejection when I add a bit light.

Best regards
Bustin

bustin · Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:53 pm

I have this rejection. Only level rejection and presonal "CCW rotation require"

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...08_f1433176301.5586150530-3675.jpg

I used to reference background horizon and vertical lines of background fence. I think level is correct. Vertical lines leveled is always first reference.

I would like opinion before I reedit with CCV rotation I think is unnecessary and incorrect. ¿Can the screeners say me the reference he used?

Bustin

bombayduck · Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:58 pm

On the picture of the C130 needs some CCW rotation. If you look at the flag pole near the blue tent, it is not horizontal. Use the flag pole as a reference point to make the picture level. It only needs a slight adjustment to make this level. Always try and use if you can a reference point towards the middle of the image such as building and use the edge to level off the image.

Steve

bustin · Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting BOMBAYDUCK (Reply 12):
If you look at the flag pole near the blue tent

Thanks to advise Steve. But used flag pole is no acceptable. This is flexible and wind make it unlevel . I dude screener used this reference to reject this picture when there is multiples vertical lines in the fence background all correct leveled and no flexible. And vertical lines of tent are leveled also. I suspect screener used some horizontal line to reference Ignoring the first rule of vertical lines. But this is only my opinion.

310815 · Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:20 pm

Hola,

check the screen shot I made and look at the lower horizontal line. There is more space on the right side between the line and the horizon.

That way it does look indeed to need some slight CCW (0,4°), as the horizon is not even. Click on the image to enlarge it (otherwise it is hardly visible I know)

Normally a horizon that is clearly visible and doesnt suffer any distortion (like in your case) should beat any vertical upon levelling. At least that's how I learned it from a former headscreener.
Julien

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[Edited 2015-06-09 14:26:32]

bustin · Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:20 pm

Quoting JKPhotos (Reply 14):
Normally a horizon that is clearly visible and doesnt suffer any distortion (like in your case) should beat any vertical upon levelling

Thanks Julien i apreciate you work and picture to help me but...

Level horizon with guide no always work to some screener. more if the right side is obstruct and is not clearly visible. Horizon also is irregular.

My last level rejection I appealed and headscreener say me "Verticals must be leveled in the center of image". I think this is the case. All vertical lines are correct in fence and blue tent.

bustin · Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:17 pm

Another sample of my confused what is the level correct.

First rejection. Level rejection need CW rotation.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...03_k1432837624.3457150528-0069.jpg

Second rejection. Level rejection need CCW rotation.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...10_f1433368607.4288150528-0069.jpg

Well somepeople can say me what is the correct level. What reference I can use here. I am really confused.

I know we are in summer. Season to massive rejections. But I dont understand some criteries.

trevisan26 · Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting bustin (Reply 16):
Well somepeople can say me what is the correct level. What reference I can use here. I am really confused.

You went to far with the rotation. Try to take out half of the CW rotation you give to the second version. Its also looks a little overexposed.

Quoting bustin (Reply 16):
I know we are in summer. Season to massive rejections.

Whats the difference between screening in winter and summer? I can just think about heat haze being more frequent...

Regards,
Thiago Trevisan

bustin · Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:24 pm

Quoting trevisan26 (Reply 17):
You went to far with the rotation. Try to take out half of the CW rotation you give to the second version. Its also looks a little overexposed.

What reference are you using to level please?

bustin · Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:53 am

Again level rejection "CW rotation need". I appealed. Again rejection CW. And soft rejection added. No problem in soft rejection. Is easy to repair it.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...617_h1433975117.405150528-0069.jpg

I'm really desperate with this picture. I tried to level with all vertical references and possible horizon. It seems nothing works here.
I would appreciate any advice on which is the correct reference to the correct level. Specially from some screener or headscreener.

Bustin

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angad84 · Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:34 am

Does look like it needs CW.

Your second shot was close to perfect on leveling, just needs a little more help. With a shot like this, the leveling (and judging the correct level) is always difficult, both as a screener and a photographer. Don't get disheartened.

Cheers
Angad

bustin · Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:09 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 20):
Your second shot was close to perfect on leveling, just needs a little more help. With a shot like this, the leveling (and judging the correct level) is always difficult, both as a screener and a photographer. Don't get disheartened.

Well Angad thanks. But what reference (line) you think is correct? That is the help I need.
Do I understand that I have to insist and I continue trying to receive rejections to be lucky to find screener a to match in agreeing to my reference? I see here that different screener have different opinion and it is inconsitency (with all respect). Specially with this rule is clearly; horizon leveled first reference and in default; centered vertical lines. The last is no posible here. I don´t understand because horizon leveled no work here to screeners or headscreeners.

angad84 · Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:08 pm

Quoting bustin (Reply 21):
Well Angad thanks. But what reference (line) you think is correct? That is the help I need.

There doesn't seem to be a reliable reference. Maybe the building in the background?

Leveling is usually done "by feel" during editing and certainly judged by what "looks right" during screening.

Cheers
A

snddim01 · Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:36 pm

Bustin,

I think the reference point is the green gate in the background. I also think you appealed the wrong shot.

To me, the first rejection is correct. This can be verified by putting horizontal and vertical guides on the gate. (as I am sure you have done).

However, you fixed those problems in the second shot. The top of the gate now looks 100% level, as does the side of the thick gatepost; it’s not "out" by even a single pixel as far as I can see.

I think the rejection was wrong and this is the shot you should have appealed.

The third image has the same flaw as the first one, so I’m not surprised it failed.

scbriml · Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting bustin (Reply 19):
I'm really desperate with this picture. I tried to level with all vertical references and possible horizon. It seems nothing works here.

I think you're also in danger of getting a centred rejection for being high in frame.

bustin · Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:33 am

Quoting snddim01 (Reply 23):
To me, the first rejection is correct. This can be verified by putting horizontal and vertical guides on the gate. (as I am sure you have done).

Green gate vertical lines-horizontal lines no worked. I got rejection using this reference. Headscreen said vertical line must to centered.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 22):
There doesn't seem to be a reliable reference. Maybe the building in the background?

I used background building also and I got rejection again.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 24):
I think you're also in danger of getting a centred rejection for being high in frame.

Anything rejection type by high in the frame.

Thanks to all by yours advise and time.

I keep trying to see if I am lucky in the lottery of the screeners. * sigh. Although I not really know which lines to use as a reference.

bustin · Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:22 am

Hi.

I have this overexposed rejection with personal "Backlit". I don´t know what is overexposed here and, of course, how is backlit. I can see pictures accepted without problems in database with clear and horrible backlit.

I have pictures accepted same day, same light conditions and similar "backlit". This look how another "subjetive" rejection.
https://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...me=j1435251579.1488150530-0047.jpg

I have say I has a first rejection of this picture by dark-soft. I added exposisition and now only overexposed. I show the two rejection to match.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...24_y1434557391.5228150530-0047.jpg

I am thinking to appeal but before I would like some opinion. Look very hard rejection.

YQZ380 · Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting bustin (Reply 26):
I have this overexposed rejection with personal "Backlit". I don´t know what is overexposed here and, of course, how is backlit. I can see pictures accepted without problems in database with clear and horrible backlit.

I doubt it's backlit. Yes, I've seen pics with backlit accepted into the database.

Quoting bustin (Reply 26):
I am thinking to appeal but before I would like some opinion. Look very hard rejection.

Seems quite a harsh rejection; the histogram is not even clipped too much on the highlights. I'd try an appeal.

Cheers,
Yang Qize

angad84 · Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:06 pm

I prefer the brighter version. While it's not technically overexposed, we all know how the overexposed rejections works on a.net, it's often used to mean "too bright overall" or "whites are a bit hot"

Also, while the light is absolutely borderline (I wouldn't even bother shooting in such light) there is no question on backlit. The only question is whether this is acceptable, and judging by many examples, I think it should be.

Cheers
Angad

bustin · Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:27 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 28):
Also, while the light is absolutely borderline (I wouldn't even bother shooting in such light) there is no question on backlit. The only question is whether this is acceptable, and judging by many examples, I think it should be.

I have appeal. This backlitgh conditionst is fully acceptable in rules.

Countless photos accepted in database with same lighting conditions or worse. Here see photos accept the same day with the same lighting conditions.
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain...d=c4bdeae2ff11c0fc9fcbf3a6208cf3fa

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain...d=c4bdeae2ff11c0fc9fcbf3a6208cf3fa

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain...d=fb0963d3fc05b3b926846a5804e27e66

bustin · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:22 pm

*sig....Appealed and rejected.

Reply of headscreener "screen correct".

Unfortunately I think this rejection there is some inconsistency suffering screener process here. But so I have to accept it again.
But as someone wrote on this forum time ago, "It's hard to reach a constantly moving target" and critera change from screeners other every day.
I understand that the work of screeners is subjetive and difficult to achieve standards. So as always I mention, there is not criticism of the screeners here. But sometimes, it's very frustrating to understand some rejections. Especially when it comes to the headscreeners. I wish there were more unified criteria in the process of screener.

Thanks to all to yours advise.

bustin · Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:06 am

I have this rejection. Only dark rejection. I can not see this picture dark. And sure database is plenty of pictures very more dark and worst light conditions. I would like know what criteria follow the screeners to accept ones and reject another with similar conditions.

https://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...e=k1435602415.0659150618-0022z.jpg

kann123air · Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:15 pm

Does look a little dark to me. Also a touch flat and low in frame, IMO.

Amrit

trevisan26 · Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:57 pm

Although light is not the best, I agree with dark. Looks well balanced with the tail and wing, for me well centered.

Nice your other picture with level problems was accepted:

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Bruce · Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:44 pm

Quoting bustin (Reply 31):
I have this rejection. Only dark rejection. I can not see this picture dark. And sure database is plenty of pictures very more dark and worst light conditions. I would like know what criteria follow the screeners to accept ones and reject another with similar conditions.

As was said elsewhere, dark could mean backlit or in this case "top lit" as the light is high from the top, making the top very bright and the sides less bright hence the dark. Proof again that side-lit shots rule here.

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