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r5k
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Pre Screening

Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:23 pm

Hi

Please can I get some pre-Screening on some pictures I took this weekend at the Yorkshire Air Show.

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4623.jpg
http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4611.jpg
http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4013.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Second one (G-AHGL) looks rather soft to me.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:28 pm

Thanks, Newwark727,

Here is another edit of that picture is this any better?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4611B.jpg

I have put the below in the queue does it stand any chance?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/u1443559686.75181c8a4623.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:08 pm

G-AHGL still looks soft to me.

G-BHIB looks kind of grainy.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:54 pm

Hi

Thanks Newark727, I have been trying to get to grips with RAW and Lightroom, this is a reedit from the camera JPG using Photoshop CS3 which is what I've used for my other images here. is the noise better now?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4623%20B.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:38 pm

It looks a little bit blurry, look at the red light, it looks like it moved a little bit, and same with the front of the aircraft. Maybe soft or a tad bit blurry.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:52 pm

Way too dark, red cast, bit blurry
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r5k
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:27 pm

Hi,

Thanks CJMoeser and Joshu, I have deleted it from the queue, do you think I can edit it to an acceptable standard or is the quality not good enough?
is G-FSTZ ok?

What do you think of this one?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4609.jpg

Thanks

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:50 pm

I think it's a bit oversharp - some quite pronounced jaggies along the top edge of the fuselage. Also the top of the fuselage is highlight blown, yet the rest of the picture is slightly dark.

I'd wind back the sharpness, and apply a graduated exposure filter at -0.75 from the top down, then increase the total exposure by about +0.25.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:59 am

Quoting r5k (Reply 7):
What do you think of this one?

Not bad, is it level? Seems like it might need CCW.
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:56 pm

Hi, Thanks

Is this better I was looking at the cooling tower in the background and the cars for the level.

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4609B.jpg

Surprised its over sharp as I didn't add any that's straight from the camera.
is a graduated exposure filter allowed on airliners?

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:33 pm

Hi,

Here is another from the airshow with the Vulcan and 2 Gnats. would this be acceptable for airliners for quality and motive?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4437.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:38 pm

help with rejection

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20151020_z1444575539.19611c8a4609b.jpg

This is a from the rejection email

A comment from the screener regarding this upload:
"low contrast, category PROP missing"

Soft https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#soft

Contrast https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#contrast

Category https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#category

here is a new edit of the image is this ok? or is it over sharpened?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4609C%20copy.jpg

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:29 pm

Contrast is good, but it is a bit oversharpened. I suggest you work with duplicate layers when sharpening, so you can easily erase the jagged areas.

In this case, I see jaggies on the red cheatline on the nose, the registration, lower cockpit window and the crack between the tail and rudder.

And don't forget to tick the 'single engine prop' box when re-uploading  
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:07 pm

Thanks Airkas1
hopefully this is better?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/c1445374809.70091c8a4609d.jpg

any thoughts on the Vulcan above?

Thanks

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting r5k (Reply 14):
hopefully this is better?

Looks good to me!

Quoting r5k (Reply 14):
any thoughts on the Vulcan above?

It feels a bit soft and a little reddish. Also a bit distant, but that can't be helped with a photo like this.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:13 pm

Thanks Airkas1, its in the queue again hopefully it will get accepted this time.

Please can I have some help with this image, is it good enough and have I got the information right I chose airline/other and War Bird reg G-MOUR which is the lead Plane or should I have put G-RORI as the reg?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4311C.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:43 am

Lovely shot Richard.

I usually put the Registration of the lead aircraft in the formation for a shot like this, regardless of which is nearer:


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In some cases, when it is very obvious that the lead aircraft is not the 'focus' of the composition, such as when it's a large formation with the wingman much closer to me, or when the formation has passed by the viewing axis a bit, I put the reg of the physically closest aircaft.:


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Depending on the screener, some of them just like the nearest aircraft regardless of composition or personal preference. In that case, you never know!

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RE: Pre Screening

Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:41 pm

Quoting R5k (Reply 16):
is it good enough and have I got the information right I chose airline/other and War Bird reg G-MOUR which is the lead Plane or should I have put G-RORI as the reg?

Can't comment on the quality, as I'm not on my screening/editing PC now. Category should be WARBIRD (that eliminates OTHER, since they're both on the same line).

Regarding the input of the registration; it's about the aircraft that is most visible. So as far as I'm concerned, either one will be OK in this case.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:44 am

Hi

It got rejected again, do I need to give up on this one? Should I try it at 1024 instead of 1200?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20151029_c1445374809.70091c8a4609d.jpg


Reasons:

Blurry https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#blurry

Soft https://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#soft

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:11 am

Hi
Is this worth (should I) appealing, as two Screeners have said:

Quoting Joshu (Reply 9):
Not bad, is it level? Seems like it might need CCW.
Quoting airkas1 (Reply 15):
Looks good to me!

Don't understand why its now blurry? if it is blurry I guess there's nothing I can do.

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:22 pm

This one just accepted accepted :


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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 pm

Hi

one accepted and one rejected last week,

would like help on these 2 images are they soft, blurry? any other issues?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4289.jpg

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4194%20copy.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:38 am

#1 - the lead aircraft is blurry. The other two look ok, but I still don't think this will be accepted.

#2 - looks a bit soft or out of focus.

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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 23):
#1 - the lead aircraft is blurry.

  

Quoting angad84 (Reply 23):
#2 - looks a bit soft or out of focus.

Looks blurry to me, but same basic effect. Also dark.
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:42 pm

Thanks Angad and vikkyvik

I really like the first shot but figured the lead plane was too blurred for airliners,
here are two more I've had a go at editing,

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4204.jpg
http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4160.jpg

how do these two look?

This is another picture of the three planes above but again I think its too soft.

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4255.jpg

what do you think?

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:23 pm

1. Dark & blurry
2. OK for me
3. Blurry & soft

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):
Quoting angad84 (Reply 23):
#1 - the lead aircraft is blurry.


Quoting angad84 (Reply 23):
#2 - looks a bit soft or out of focus.

Looks blurry to me, but same basic effect. Also dark.

Agree.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:34 am

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 26):
1. Dark & blurry
2. OK for me
3. Blurry & soft

Agreed.

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:11 pm

Hi,

Thanks I have put the MIG in the queue.

would this be acceptable from motive / Distance? any other problems?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4337.jpg

I think this one is too soft, what do you think?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4130.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting r5k (Reply 28):
would this be acceptable from motive / Distance? any other problems?

Bit too far apart from my liking, also a bit blurry.

Quoting r5k (Reply 28):
I think this one is too soft, what do you think?

It's blurry. Sorry, but that one can't be salvaged. Maybe another photo from the sequence?
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:56 pm

Hi, thanks

Is this one any better?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4335.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting r5k (Reply 30):
Is this one any better?

I'm sorry, unfortunately that one looks a bit blurry as well.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:22 pm

hi, I am really struggling with them being blurry, I think a lot of it is to do with the lighting but I thought the two spitfires above were pretty good light so must be my focusing or camera settings.

how about this one?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4534.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting r5k (Reply 32):
hi, I am really struggling with them being blurry, I think a lot of it is to do with the lighting but I thought the two spitfires above were pretty good light so must be my focusing or camera settings.

I certainly think it's the camera (or you!) because the light's fine in those shots.

Judging by the prop blur, you weren't shooting a very low shutter speed, so it's either very out of focus (i.e. camera/lens problem) or you're not tracking the subjects smoothly (i.e. operator error)

Quoting r5k (Reply 32):
how about this one?

there's the money shot. great stuff.

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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:42 pm

Quoting r5k (Reply 32):
I am really struggling with them being blurry

I know the feeling. I get many results like yours when I'm at an airshow. It's not so much the light (which is good in your photos), but more the fact that 2 airplanes are flying towards you very fast.

It does seem that the shutter speed wasn't all that high, which should've resulted in sharp(er) photos. But maybe it was windy or the camera's autofocus is/was slow. There could be lots of reasons, combined with the one I mentioned above.

Quoting r5k (Reply 32):
how about this one?

Nice! I don't see any really obvious flaws, so I'd give that one a go  
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:18 pm

thanks Angad84,

I don't think I have mastered the 7d2 focus, but I find it strange that some shots are fine and others are blurry, makes me think it is more down to my technique rather than the camera.
Its a shame the Vulcan picture is almost identical to:


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Assuming this would get rejected as common?

Is this one worth uploading?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4416.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:23 am

Quoting R5k (Reply 35):
Assuming this would get rejected as common?

It will only be rejected for common if the quality is not good enough or the photo has another flaw. If the quality is good enough, it should be accepted. The fact that your photo is nearly identical to the photo someone else has uploaded is irrelevant. As long as it's not a double (a very similar photo made by yourself on the same day that is already in the DB) it's no problem.

Common rejections are never given alone, always paired with other reasons. You basically get them when we already have xx(x) amount of photos of that registration in the database and your version is flawed in some way.

Quoting R5k (Reply 35):
Is this one worth uploading?

Contrast might be slightly low, but otherwise I'd upload it.
Small disclaimer; I just woke up and my eyes aren't optimal yet.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:32 am

Quoting R5k (Reply 35):
I don't think I have mastered the 7d2 focus, but I find it strange that some shots are fine and others are blurry, makes me think it is more down to my technique rather than the camera.

Are you using continuous focus (AI Servo) or one shot? Which lens are you using?

Quoting R5k (Reply 35):
Assuming this would get rejected as common?

Not at all, why would you assume that? See Kas's post for an explanation of the 'common' rejection

Quoting R5k (Reply 35):
Is this one worth uploading?

Needs darker blacks.


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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 37):
Which lens are you using?

70-200F4L non IS

Quoting angad84 (Reply 37):
Are you using continuous focus (AI Servo) or one shot?

I use both for different things, looking at the exif data the majority were taken with AI servo but some of the ground shots were one shot.

Should I upload the Vulcan with bomb bay open at 1600 or down size it to 1200?

Is this a better edit of the second shot?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4416B.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting R5k (Reply 38):
Should I upload the Vulcan with bomb bay open at 1600 or down size it to 1200?

I would do 1200px in this case.

Quoting R5k (Reply 38):
Is this a better edit of the second shot?

Yes!  
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:00 pm

Hi, Thanks

And now I wait.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/s1448308704.49221c8a4534b.jpg

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RE: Pre Screening

Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:25 pm

Hi

Rejected today as soft

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4160.jpg

Is it worth sharpening it a bit more? If so where?
I think front right of plane.

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RE: Pre Screening

Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting R5k (Reply 40):
And now I wait.

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Quoting R5k (Reply 41):
Is it worth sharpening it a bit more? If so where?

If it wasn't specified where it's soft, I'd assume it's soft in general. So one more round of sharpening for the entire aircraft.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:15 pm

Thanks Airkas1
Does this look better or is it over sharpened now?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4160A.jpg

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:33 pm

Hi,

This one got accepted.

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but this one got rejected as soft

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20151215_c1449524889.59651c8a4416b.jpg

I have given it another pass of sharpening here is this ok or oversharepened?

http://www.r5k.co.uk/1C8A4416C.jpg

Thanks

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting r5k (Reply 44):
I have given it another pass of sharpening here is this ok or oversharepened?

Looks over to me. Somewhere between the two should work, although personally I don't think the first one is very soft.

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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:33 pm

Is it worth appealing?

Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:09 pm

I think the right sharpness lies somehwere in between those 2 versions.
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:15 pm

How about this?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/z1450217651.11981c8a4416d.jpg

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Richard
 
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RE: Pre Screening

Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:53 pm

Rejected again as soft, any sugestions?

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20151222_z1450217651.11981c8a4416d.jpg

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