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Of storms and snow part 1: QF/EK SYD-MEL-SIN

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:07 am

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Here begins a three week trip from Sydney to Singapore via Melbourne, to Osaka via Taipei and from Tokyo to Sydney via Cairns. Each route I have flown before, but this will also be my first flight on Emirates.




I have been to Japan yearly or more since 2005 but I have never seen it in winter. Alex, my eight year old son, has never played in snow. So we hatch a plan to visit Japan during the Australian school holidays.




My wife B is originally from Malaysia and fears the cold, insisting on visiting somewhere else warm first for a "holiday".




Being school holidays flights are expensive, so we use the Qantas frequent flyer points returned from last year's cancelled points trip to the United States, or the United Soviet States of America as it seems to be now.




The points booking necessitated a roundabout route. Sydney to Melbourne with Qantas, to Singapore with Emirates and Jetstar back from Tokyo. We purchased Jetstar tickets to Kansai International via Taipei separately - Australian school holidays don't apply to this route!




Those of you who have read my earlier reports will know that I suffer anxiety at the thought of turbulence on flights, hating the vertical motion. So I decided to do something about it and enrolled in a fear of flying course.




The course I wanted to do was Fearless Flyers, which frankly seems like an aviation nut's wet dream, but unfortunately the timings just weren't right. Instead I enrolled in the Flight Experience Fear of Flying course. They use cognitive behavioural therapy and relaxation techniques to decrease the anxiety response. There was also a couple of hours speaking to an ex-Qantas 747 and A380 check pilot along with a session in a static 737 simulator.




This was to be my first trip since completing the course and I was curious to see how effective it had been.




I have done each leg of this trip before, sometimes in the opposite direction and on a different airline. And for each I can point to a challenging time. This will be a real test.




It starts well. The skies are clear as we catch the bus and train to Sydney Airport. As ours is an international connection we check in our bags at the counter at Terminal 3. Then we pass through security and, to Alex's delight, head for the Qantas Club lounge. I've just dropped back to bottom tier status with the Qantas Frequent Flyer program, as I couldn’t bring myself to take all my flights last year on account of my anxiety and time commitments, but I maintained my Club membership.


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The food at the lounge is mainly salads and cold cuts, which suitsme fine but disappointing the little guy. Licorice allsorts make an appearance on my plate. I could have done without the Foxtel though with their miserable (or smugly tr(i)umphant) conservative commentators.


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I relax myself, though there is still a small knot of fear inside. After all, my last two flights to Melbourne were "disasters" where I gave into fear.




I want to take B and Alex up to the Qantas Heritage Display so we leave the lounge a bit early. Annoyingly it is closed for a private function, but the sign is up at the top of the stairs.


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It is soon time to board our aircraft, a Qantas Airbus A330-200. The load is light today. Alex and B sit ahead of me, I have a window row to myself. The 2-4-2 seating normally forces families to the middle. I need my window!


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We are on VH-EBJ, my first flight aboard a refurbished A330. I'm not sure what the deal is with the deep magenta colour but they are comfortable. Instead of seat back screens there are mechanical holders for the iPad Minis stuffed into the seat pockets. I have two in mine, but no intention to use either, unlike Alex and B. They can only be mounted after the seatbelt lights are switched off, otherwise it's strictly hand-held.


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I have installed the Qantas Entertainment app on my Android phones and, while the soundtrack music selection is as limited as ever, I am very pleased to see there is now a flight map.


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The safety briefing is delivered and we begin our taxi out towards the third runway for a take-off towards the north. There is now a thin layer of cloud in the sky. Clouds frighten me, especially the thicker ones.





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It is too late. We are committed. Deep breaths as I am forced back into the seat by the acceleration. Up into the sky, then the big Airbus wing is up, pointing towards the grey and blue above as we turn northwards, in the opposite direction to Melbourne, turning, turning, Sydney's CBD outside until now we are facing east and heading out to sea.


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The climb pauses. I know this now. We are at 5,000 feet and checking with ATC that everything is hunky dory. Then up again and out past Bondi Beach and the Harbour Heads.


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Now we begin our turn south over the ocean, running parallel to the coast for a while. And rising up through a clear patch of sky. Clouds avoided!


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I have my two mobile phones with me. I'm using the old one to listen to music, my own collection, while the other does photos, checks the flight map. I leave my big camera down in my bag until I feel safe to take it out.




It's a different feeling now on the flight. I'm not concentrating on the flight, not a trip reporter or an aviation nut today. Everything is different, yet nothing really is.




I know this route. I've flown to Canberra so many times, to Melbourne on pointless trips for points.




We cross the coast over Wollongong, as a change from blue to green and brown beneath the scattered clouds and a few small bumps attest. Yes, I knew they were coming. They always do.


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The crew pass through the cabin with trolleys handing out the snack. Packs of olives with fetta and lavosh and drinks. I don't think it gathered lavish praise as I hear the attendants offering rice crackers and fruit instead to children. I hand mine back, not feeling at all like eating olives and not hungry. My stomach doesn't cope well with anxiety.


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Staring out the window, dreaming, listening to my music, I suddenly realise something. This flight is smooth, really smooth.




I am relaxed, enjoying myself!


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The clouds thicken over Victoria and, as we start our descent into Melbourne, the thicker cumulus makes an appearance.


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But no, I am not tested by that. Again, we bypass the clouds and yes, that is apparently intentional.




The land below us is the dry yellow of summer. I expect some bumps due to the terrain. There always are. But as we start our final turns around Tullamarine things get really rough with the wind buffeting us and the aircraft feeling like it is rising and dropping. It was like the last time I flew the A330 into Melbourne from Sydney. Even my wife thinks it is bad and normally she barely notices.


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I don't enjoy the feeling at all, but I cope. I know we'll be down soon. There is an end point for all this.




It is a relief to land and taxi to our gate, but in a final wrinkle, there is a gate malfunction and we have to wait. Eventually it is resolved and we are in the terminal.


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Hello Melbourne! One flight down for the day, one to go.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:08 am

We already have our boarding passes and our luggage is checked through to Singapore, so all we have to do is walk to the international terminal. Say what you will about Melbourne Airport, but the structure retains enough of its historical appearance that I am still reminded of my early childhood, waving Dad off on a flight to Sydney, meeting relatives flying in.


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The Qantas check in at Sydney even gave us our international exit forms. How thoughtful!




No giant queues today. We pass through security and all of us, even Alex, are able to use the facial recognition automated smart gates.




I'm not in the mood to do airline spotting today and Alex asks if we can use the lounge. We snake our way past duty free and a hodge podge of shops to the airline lounge area buried away in the lower levels. When we check into the Qantas Business Lounge we are informed that, as we are flying with an Emirates flight number my Qantas Club membership is not valid for letting us in, but she kindly makes an exception in our case. Much appreciated Qantas!




I've been here before on a (valid) Jetstar ticket. There are no views outside, but I am content to just rest while Alex plays on the computers and eats some snacks. There is a curry, rice and some delicious looking cakes and sweets, but we aren't too hungry.


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It's time to board our flight and it turns out the lounge is quite handy for the gate. Up through the long glass air bridges.


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Our Emirates A380 looks massive. This is my first A380 since 2010 when I flew back from Singapore to Melbourne on Qantas with a very sick baby Alex vomiting and pooing on me the whole way.




It's also the first time I've flown Emirates, my first new airline since 2014. I'm looking forward to something new.




First impressions were good. Rather than the overblown fake wood and gold trim of some business class reports the economy cabin is of subtle desert themes, sand colours and dune patterns. Just a bit of fake wood around the windows.


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The seat back screens are large and clear and the legroom is large. I immediately check the soundtrack offerings and find a number to listen too, build my playlist. There are many movies too.




The advent of Google Play and similar subscription services means that it is very easy to access movies and music, thus making the novelty of on board selections less valuable. Do I want to watch a movie on the (admittedly decent) seatback screen, or would I rather wait to view it on my big television?




That's assuming I ever have the time to actually sit down and watch anything at home...




B and Alex have already decided that the screens are the way to go and have placed the boxy Emirates earphones over their heads. As for me, I have discovered that the aircraft has three external cameras - a pilot's view, view from the tail (same as on Qantas) and a belly cam. I like the tail view. Plus it's easy to switch between them and the flight map. No wonder people get addicted to ICE!


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In addition to the seatback screens adverts and the flight map are displayed on cabin screens allowing me to watch the camera view and the map at the same time. Perfect!




The captain introduces himself and the crew. Both pilots are German, the cabin crew from forty different countries if I remember correctly.




The Eastern European (or is she Portuguese? She looks Eastern European...) attendant looking after our section hands Alex a nice red vinyl bag containing Lonely Planet activities. He doesn't actually use them but they are a nice keepsake.




As we taxi out to the runway I calm myself. What about the winds on descent? Winds pass and besides which ascents are faster than descents. We'll pass through it soon enough. Those clouds? Nothing.




And indeed the huge whale jet ascends placidly into the late afternoon sky and past the clouds. This is my favourite time to fly, I remind myself, Golden Hour, the traveller's time.




Essendon Airport is to my left as we head south, then west, the sun shimmering off country dams before the reflections disappear beneath the hazy cloud below.


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We are handed menu cards, though we aren't yet hungry enough to do more than quickly peruse them.


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The inflight internet is switched on and I pay the token $1 for 500 megabytes. I don't use it anywhere near as much as I did on Scoot, mainly let my photos backup.


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The flight map shows us near the northern tip of the Spencer Gulf in South Australia. I can see it shining silver out of the window. Cloud has lain beneath us, blocking the normally spectacular views of inland Australia. Greener views than is common according to reports of heavy rain.


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If there's one word I could use to describe Emirates from a passenger perspective it is generous. A generously sized aircraft with generous legroom, generous entertainment options, a generous kids pack and generously cheap Internet access. In this era of competition from low cost airlines, generous is hardly a word one uses to describe an airline.




The main meals are generous too. Too generous, as none of us could finish them. Alex were isserved first, an unappetising but tasty blob of brown meat and sauce on penne pasta. B chooses the beef ragout and raves about it. I have the butter chicken and rice and find it very flavoursome. There is a cooked salmon salad, mango cheesecake dessert, cheese and crackers, chocolate, biscotti.


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Honestly, I should be enjoying this flight, but I am not. I'm tired and just want to land and go to the hotel. I can see a passenger in front of me watching the Japanese animation "Your name", which I also want to see and is the kind of "foreign" movie difficult to get online. But I can't tear my eyes away from the window or camera.




The Qantas pilot gave me another perspective on turbulence. In my mind the aircraft is rising and falling, but in actual fact the vertical movement tends to be tiny. What you are actually feeling is the force on your body rising and tailing off.




Keep in mind that this is my formulation of the pilot's explanation, but think of Newton's cradle, those suspended balls that knock into each other. Imagine the first ball is the updraft, the middle ball is the aircraft and you are the ball on the end. The turbulent force is transmitted through the aircraft to you inside.




Hopefully you remember that F=ma, force equals mass times acceleration, from school. Rearrange that and the acceleration equals the force divided by the mass. Now, the mass of a human is less than one ten thousandth of an A380. Imagine what would happen if you push an A380 (bugger all) compared with a single person (the equal and opposite reaction may be violent!). So even allowing for the distribution of the force across everything in and around the aircraft, the individual acceleration will be a lot higher than for the aircraft itself.




That’s why you should keep yourself strapped in! And aircraft can still undergo major changes in altitude, dropping many metres. It does happen, if rarely.




I'm characterising the bumps as we fly on, reinterpreting them according to the pilot, converting fear to understanding. It helps a bit, especially while the bumps are minor.




As the sun sets we finally strike the high cloud of the northern Australia monsoon. The seatbelt lights are switched on and the bumps get stronger. My anxiety level goes up.


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Eventually, somewhere off the coast of Western Australia they are switched off. There is a period of calm. Alex has had enough of being on the plane. Me too. It's been a stressful month, due to work, family and the anticipation of the flights. I'm seriously questioning if I like travel any more, certainly I find it difficult to believe that I was ever enthusiastic about aviation.




Land below. Indonesia. Jogjakarta I think. Then it disappears under more clouds. We meet the storm clouds again and the seatbelt lights return, this time for over an hour. It's not horribly bumpy, but it's constant, especially annoying when I'm in this mood. Unlike on a Qantas Group aircraft the seatbelt light is not enforced. Crew still serve and passengers get up as they feel like it.




A late meal of rosemary and lamb pie is offered. None of us is hungry enough to eat.




Above us in the darkened cabin is a ceiling of artificial stars.


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We skim past bulbous storm clouds, white in the moonlight. Lightning flashes spectacularly within, illuminating their shape.




This doesn't scare me. Another piece of pilot information was that you can fly within 500 metres of the front of a storm cloud and feel nothing. It's the rear where the winds are strong.


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Finally the ride became a bit smoother and the seatbelt lights were switched off. It was in January last year that we last flew in this area, on Scoot, and our path both ways was littered with storm clouds around the tropics. This seems no different. There was one moment that frightens me most of all. We were lining up for our final descent into Singapore after circling around storms when we suddenly entered a cumulonimbus cloud. There was just enough time for the pilot to switch on the seatbelt lights and order everyone to their seats before we struck.




So I felt apprehension as we approached the island nation. But to my great relief it was a smooth descent down towards Changi Airport. Down over the adjacent islands and across the strait filled with ships like lanterns in the water.


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We actually arrive half an hour early! But that is still 2 AM Sydney time and we all want to go to bed. We make our way quickly through Terminal 1, our usual terminal at Changi, actually spend longer at immigration in Singapore than in Melbourne, and collect our bags.


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Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:09 am

All done, we just catch the taxi straight to our hotel, the Roxy Square Grand Mercure in Katong, and go to bed. It's too late to hit the hawker stalls.




The hotel is my favourite in Singapore. Not so much for its features, reasonable as they are, but for its location.


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Behind the hotel, hidden away in Roxy Square is Janggut Katong Laksa, across the road are hawker stalls and the Parkway Parade shopping centre with reasonably priced rather than luxury goods. Further behind the hotel is East Coast Road and Joo Chiat Street lined with old shop houses and eateries, many which serve old fashioned local food.





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The MRT station being built out the front will no doubt herald a faster move upmarket, as Singapore appears to deplore actual heritage as opposed to reconstructed "cool" redevelopment, so you have to enjoy things while you can.


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While in Singapore we visit Universal Studios on Sentosa Island. Not as good as the Osaka version (itself probably smaller than the US versions) in my opinion, but then I'm not a fan of Adrenalin anyway. A walk around the Botanic Gardens and Orchid Collection is more my thing.


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Singapore's heat leads us to Wild Wild Wet, where I rediscover the fact that I really hate high speed acceleration downwards but that bobbing in waves is actually quite pleasant. Again I am characterising bumps.


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All up we spent four solid days in Singapore. If you want to read more then please see my blog.




In the next instalment we will fly from Singapore to Osaka via Taipei aboard Jetstar.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:27 am

Nice TR! Last time I took this exact EK flight, it was still operated by a 777-200. I have just migrated over to the QF FFP so let's see how that turns out. They aren't very friendly to non-QF JCL flights coming into Australia it seems. Status credits accumulated are pretty minuscule.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:55 am

An excellent, thoroughly enjoyable report as always. I am a frequent flyer (ish) for work and leisure and do not have any issues but the way you describe your anxieties I'm really feeling the pain along the way with you. Just seems a shame you can't truly enjoy your travels. Hope things get easier ....... ??
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:39 am

Ryanair!!! wrote:
Nice TR! Last time I took this exact EK flight, it was still operated by a 777-200. I have just migrated over to the QF FFP so let's see how that turns out. They aren't very friendly to non-QF JCL flights coming into Australia it seems. Status credits accumulated are pretty minuscule.


Thanks Ryan! I think I read somewhere that Emirates will stop flying via Singapore from Melbourne in future. I'm glad it was an A380 as I have no fondness for the 772. This was a points redemption so I didn't pay attention to earnings. As far as I can tell most airlines are stingy with points these days when it comes to partners and if they aren't then it's probably only a matter of time. I lost silver status with Qantas, the main downside for me being that I no longer have free seat selection and preferences.

theobcman wrote:
An excellent, thoroughly enjoyable report as always. I am a frequent flyer (ish) for work and leisure and do not have any issues but the way you describe your anxieties I'm really feeling the pain along the way with you. Just seems a shame you can't truly enjoy your travels. Hope things get easier ....... ??


Thanks! Things do change in the course of this series, but it isn't a smooth and certain path. I'm sharing in the hope that others may find the information useful if they have their own anxieties.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:09 pm

Hi Allrite.

To passengers who don't have anxiety about flying it can appear odd that others do. But reading your descriptions and efforts to overcome the issue is certainly informative.

How disappointing that you weren't able to visit the Heritage Display. It surely would have made sense to have a sign downstairs advising potential visitors of that fact. I guess the disappointment there was made up somewhat by the staff member admitting you to the lounge in Melbourne.

Generous is a word that some Emirates passengers would dispute. While I have always enjoyed my travels with them I know that others aren't impressed with the seating in their 777s, business, let alone economy.

As always, some great shots, especially of the cloud formations. Singapore sure has changed since I lived there as a child in the 1960s.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:57 pm

Hello Allrite - It's good that QF still provides decent catering free of charge on a short domestic flight. Here in Europe it's either very limited (and not very good) or BOB (buy on board).
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:18 pm

Thanks for yet another TR. Love seeing your family growing up, reading your detial (incl food shots) and hearing how you manage your flight concerns.

I too have my moments where I'm suddenly gripped by fears while flying, worst recently on DCA-BOS simply knowing how busy the skies are in the USA.

And I always have good intentions to do a TR, but I don't - but I'm very glad others do!
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How disappointing that you weren't able to visit the Heritage Display. It surely would have made sense to have a sign downstairs advising potential visitors of that fact. I guess the disappointment there was made up somewhat by the staff member admitting you to the lounge in Melbourne.


A sign down the bottom would have saved us a little trek. I've visited the Heritage Display a few times but the other two haven't had the opportunity. Anyway, it was only a minor inconvenience.

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Generous is a word that some Emirates passengers would dispute. While I have always enjoyed my travels with them I know that others aren't impressed with the seating in their 777s, business, let alone economy.


I've heard that about their 777's, but I can only go with my own experience compared with other airlines I have flown.

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As always, some great shots, especially of the cloud formations. Singapore sure has changed since I lived there as a child in the 1960s.


Thanks! I didn't post photos of the newer parts of Singapore, but the city is in a continual state of change. It seems like the Singaporean government wants to completely sanitise the city replacing any real heritage with trendy bars and shops. Maybe that's what the locals want, though I've heard differently (but who can criticise their perfect government?). The annoying thing is how smugly they describe the "coolness" of the replacements, but more on that in the next instalment.

For now, this is the old station...

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ello Allrite - It's good that QF still provides decent catering free of charge on a short domestic flight. Here in Europe it's either very limited (and not very good) or BOB (buy on board).


Qantas have their Jetstar LCC for those situations where they need to go more barebones. There's not as much competition here.

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I too have my moments where I'm suddenly gripped by fears while flying, worst recently on DCA-BOS simply knowing how busy the skies are in the USA.


It's a very common problem. As passengers we have almost no control over the situation and trust doesn't always come easy.
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Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:21 am

I always enjoy reading your trip reports, but how about leaving your politics out of them...
 
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Of storms and snow part 2: Jetstar SIN-TPE-KIX, NRT-CNS-SYD is now up.

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I always enjoy reading your trip reports, but how about leaving your politics out of them...


It's not my politics and it wasn't in my report! But then dear Elder Lee was never short of advice for other countries so maybe I'm just following his example, sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong.

To be fair the new architecture of Singapore is very impressive but it needs to keep a little bit of its heritage, just a little grunge, or its younger residents and visitors will not know where it came from. If you don't know that then you are at the mercy of your history being rewritten to support the "truths" of today.
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:09 am

Hi allrite,

It's not my politics and it wasn't in my report!


I wasn't actually referring to Singapore at all (for the most part I agree with you about their heritage conservation), but rather

I could have done without the Foxtel though with their miserable (or smugly tr(i)umphant) conservative commentators


the United States, or the United Soviet States of America as it seems to be now


There seems to be so much hatred from all sides of politics these days that it is seeping onto everything. Maybe just keep trip reports about airliners and travel?
 
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There seems to be so much hatred from all sides of politics these days that it is seeping onto everything. Maybe just keep trip reports about airliners and travel?


I agree that trip reports might be better if they concentrate on the trip itself, but if what transpires during the trip leaves an impression on the author, why should he omit it? And why is a simple opinion described as "hatred" just because it does not conform to someone else's?
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Hi allrite,

I could have done without the Foxtel though with their miserable (or smugly tr(i)umphant) conservative commentators


the United States, or the United Soviet States of America as it seems to be now


There seems to be so much hatred from all sides of politics these days that it is seeping onto everything. Maybe just keep trip reports about airliners and travel?


Apologies, I missed what I wrote there and I do so enjoy provoking reactions out of Singaporeans and Malaysians (one bad thing about Chinese New Year is having to suffer the lectures from relatives in law as to why Australians are inferior and not being allowed to respond because that would be "disrespectful"). But I do not enjoy sitting in a lounge trying to relax but having to listen to someone arguing that the destruction of my child's future is a good thing, especially when I can use the laws of physics to prove that they are wrong. And I like word play. :) I think it would be better to just play news and sports reports in a lounge and to leave the commentary out, whether from the left or right.
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:24 am

This is a lovely report! I have been reading your reports for a long time, and I finally have the chance to reply to it :)

Emirates is great - they really have kept customer service in mind, so little things such as extra legroom really go a long way. Impressive.

Nice descriptions and details as well! I loved the wing view pictures of the A330, and the engine view shots of the A380.

I look forward to reading the second part, as well!

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Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:13 am

I think it would be better to just play news and sports reports in a lounge and to leave the commentary out, whether from the left or right.


The news networks (both ABC and Foxtel) seem to struggle to find enough quality content for their 24h news channels so fill in the gaps with mainly left-wing (ABC) or right-wing (Foxtel) talking heads. Sport normally bores me to tears so I'd rather no TV at all actually. 99% of people in the lounge can get their news and sport on their phones or tablets using the free wifi anyway.
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:16 am

Camohe wrote:
The news networks (both ABC and Foxtel) seem to struggle to find enough quality content for their 24h news channels so fill in the gaps with mainly left-wing (ABC) or right-wing (Foxtel) talking heads. Sport normally bores me to tears so I'd rather no TV at all actually. 99% of people in the lounge can get their news and sport on their phones or tablets using the free wifi anyway.


No TV at all gets my vote... Except I think I may have found the answer to flight relaxation. Test cricket, the perfect background distraction! Just replace Channel 9's commentary with the ABC's because Shane Warne. :) Cricket Therapy TM.
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Re: Of storms and snow part 1: QF/EK SYD-MEL-SIN

Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:08 am

What a great TR! It was interesting to see what a recent Emirates economy experience is like after reading so many reports focused on business and first. I agree that the economy cabin is far less 'blinged-out' and therefore, in my opinion, not tacky like their business cabin. But each to their own. When flying with one of the big 3 from the Middle East, I go with EY. And I loved your report on Singapore. This is actually one of my favourite destinations in its own right, rather than just a transit point. I'm really sorry to hear that you suffer from flying anxiety now. I can empathize since I was once that way as a child. Thankfully, I overcame that fear myself and now practically look forward to every flight, no matter how short! But my mother still suffers from this fear, and needs a whole day just to recover from a short 3 hour flight. I wish you and your family well. And I hope you too can overcome this anxiety in time.

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Re: Of storms and snow part 1: QF/EK SYD-MEL-SIN

Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:17 pm

I used to be deathly afraid of flying. I looked forward to flying but the day of the flight I was a nervous wreck until cruise. I made an emergency landing and believe it or not that helped me overcome my fear. I can sympathize with you, I'm glad you can still find the joy of flying.

I remember flying the A330 SYD-MEL in 2004, we were served a salad with chicken. I was very impressed for it being such a short flight.
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:19 pm

I used to be deathly afraid of flying. I looked forward to flying but the day of the flight I was a nervous wreck until cruise. I made an emergency landing and believe it or not that helped me overcome my fear. I can sympathize with you, I'm glad you can still find the joy of flying.

I remember flying the A330 SYD-MEL in 2004, we were served a salad with chicken. I was very impressed for it being such a short flight.
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:27 am

thegoldenargosy wrote:
I used to be deathly afraid of flying. I looked forward to flying but the day of the flight I was a nervous wreck until cruise. I made an emergency landing and believe it or not that helped me overcome my fear. I can sympathize with you, I'm glad you can still find the joy of flying.

I remember flying the A330 SYD-MEL in 2004, we were served a salad with chicken. I was very impressed for it being such a short flight.


I was once unafraid of flying and largely unconcerned by turbulence. I even used to pick seats in the rear of the aircraft! Then we hit turbulence on the way back from New Zealand and storms on a flight in Queensland. After that I was a lot more wary of turbulence, but it's only in the past couple of years that the anxiety has got really bad.

The meals served on Qantas flights depend on the time of day. You get meals for lunch and dinner, but we flying during the inbetween gap.
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:11 am

As ever Allrite your trip reports are superlative. What I find especially fascinating is how you have managed to explain what you are thinking at each point. As someone who has no fear of flying it is something I cannot relate to, but here I felt like I was sitting next to you up there. And I am glad that you enjoyed your flight with Emirates, they're still my favourite airline even if they have devalued their product somewhat from when I first flew them a decade ago.
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:25 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
As ever Allrite your trip reports are superlative. What I find especially fascinating is how you have managed to explain what you are thinking at each point. As someone who has no fear of flying it is something I cannot relate to, but here I felt like I was sitting next to you up there. And I am glad that you enjoyed your flight with Emirates, they're still my favourite airline even if they have devalued their product somewhat from when I first flew them a decade ago.


Good to hear from you again and thanks for your kind comments! Obviously I can't comment on anything other than Y class on an A380 but what we got on Emirates felt like what we used to get on other airlines more than a decade ago (apart from all the technological upgrades! And hot towels. And peanuts. Is that what's changed? :) ).
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Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:51 am

Hi allrite

Enjoyable to read another one of your adventures. :profile:

You mentioned the flying course before, and I would also still like to do one of these, locally in Canberra would be ideal. Thanks for the insights here.

For me, as we've discussed this before, I have been pretty good with the anxiety thing this past year or so. I've flown more, actually, nine times in the past six weeks!

:sigh: I agree the tiredness thing does take the fun out of aviation, but I like your candour.

My latest 'oh no, turbulence..' techniques are music, closing my eyes - IMHO it halves the problem for me. But I like the way you've described it here, the scientific side of it all!

Have you tried flying in other types of aircraft, for example light aircraft or a helicopter even? I haven't done the latter, but with the light aircraft I find that three things are present: you can see the view in front, so where you are going, you are not in an enclosed space with a large group of people you don't know, and you are acquainted with who is flying the aircraft. It helps, the expanding the comfort zone and also trying something a 'little more risky' can have a positive effect on the average flight experience in the insulated world of Qantas e.g. Just my 2c. Anything is worth a try!

I don't blame you for not eating the olives. :yuck: It can be hit and miss with the catering, but as you say, depends on the time of day, or day of the week IMHO.

I liked your pictures of Singapore. I am really trying to get there in the next few years with SQ flying from CBR.

I was at SYD recently, and didn't go into the Qantas Heritage Display. Why! I had the time, and walked straight past, I should have. Next time. :fluffy:

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Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:51 am

VapourTrails wrote:
Hi allrite

Enjoyable to read another one of your adventures.


Thanks!

VapourTrails wrote:
You mentioned the flying course before, and I would also still like to do one of these, locally in Canberra would be ideal. Thanks for the insights here.


I don't know any courses in Canberra, but Fearless Flyers operate in other capitals on weekends (1 Tuesday session in Sydney)

To quote from their site:

The course also includes the following tours where possible:

A comprehensive tour of a jet aircraft on the ground. Participants have the opportunity to visit the flight deck with a pilot who will explain the basics of the flight deck and aircraft controls.
Tour of the aircraft cabin with a senior Flight Attendant.
Tour of the Air Traffic control tower with air traffic controllers where possible.
Observe air traffic controllers at work and learn about their training.
Tour of the flight simulator training facility and the emergency procedures training facility. (tour applies only in Sydney and Melbourne where these facilities are located)


Tell me that isn't something that everyone on this forum would love to do whether they are anxious or not!

VapourTrails wrote:
For me, as we've discussed this before, I have been pretty good with the anxiety thing this past year or so. I've flown more, actually, nine times in the past six weeks!


That's fantastic!

VapourTrails wrote:
My latest 'oh no, turbulence..' techniques are music, closing my eyes - IMHO it halves the problem for me. But I like the way you've described it here, the scientific side of it all!


Closing my eyes makes it worse as then I can focus on the motion and notice every little bump. Looking out the window helps me way more.

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Have you tried flying in other types of aircraft, for example light aircraft or a helicopter even? I haven't done the latter, but with the light aircraft I find that three things are present: you can see the view in front, so where you are going, you are not in an enclosed space with a large group of people you don't know, and you are acquainted with who is flying the aircraft. It helps, the expanding the comfort zone and also trying something a 'little more risky' can have a positive effect on the average flight experience in the insulated world of Qantas e.g. Just my 2c. Anything is worth a try!


Smallest I've been on is a Beechcraft 1900D many years ago. So far as I can tell my fears really are related to the "drops" and the fact that I have no control over them. I tried going in an inflatable ring with my family down a waterslide on this trip and absolutely hated the feeling and you don't get much less enclosed and with friends than that! (Also tried some of it with my eyes closed. Didn't help!)

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I don't blame you for not eating the olives. :yuck: It can be hit and miss with the catering, but as you say, depends on the time of day, or day of the week IMHO.


I trained myself to eat olives when travelling through France and Spain but they aren't my favourite food. Seems a bit strange to serve them considering the potential range of clientele but at least they had alternatives. Anyway, considering my other meals on Qantas I'm prepared to forgive them this once. :)

VapourTrails wrote:
I liked your pictures of Singapore. I am really trying to get there in the next few years with SQ flying from CBR.


Swapping one institutionalised little territory for another? (Sorry, I like both places) :D

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I was at SYD recently, and didn't go into the Qantas Heritage Display. Why! I had the time, and walked straight past, I should have. Next time.


You should! There are great views of the airport if nothing else.
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