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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:15 pm

Excellent report with some great photos. The food on the flights looked great too
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 49):
Can you not? not even the thumbnail?

No ! But I can see the picture of the 777-200 model ! Strange !
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 47):
But why can't I see any of the pictures ?



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 49):
Can you not? not even the thumbnail? Anyone else have that problem? If so, i can fix it.

It is strange because I'm on dial-up and it worked great. In fact, I really liked the thumbnails. I could have opened photos of my choice, but the choice was rather difficult so I opened all of them Big grin
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 38):
Where did you fly CX to? I loved the 60th anniv. food as well. My only regret was not visiting Hong Kong .. next time!

We flew HKG-TPE-HKG. Very short, but excellent service. The takeoff was the amazing part. Usually I'm on a 747 for long haul loaded to the gills with fuel and freight. We were off the ground so quickly. Hong Kong is an amazing city. I recommend it.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 45):
Here are my babies:

Nice!
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Ronerone (Thread starter):
Signs of wear and tear were extremely evident. My seat pocket in front of me was loose (and tore up in a way) hence, taking up some space, the footrest kept falling off its lock position constantly, and some parts of the seat covers on the seat in front of me (by the tray table) kept falling off.

It almost feels like you flew FF instead of CX  Wink

Very nicely written report and those pics are certainly a good addition. Please keep them coming.

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:20 am

Great report! I am writing one as well right now for my IAD-JNB-PLZ trip, but I can't upload my videos! I already tried on photobucket and on Youtube it says my video is bigger than 100 megs...oh well. Look forward to your other reports!
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting SkyHigh777 (Reply 55):
Great report! I am writing one as well right now for my IAD-JNB-PLZ trip, but I can't upload my videos! I already tried on photobucket and on Youtube it says my video is bigger than 100 megs...oh well. Look forward to your other reports!

A free photobucket account limits to 5 minunites maximum per video. The problem i had was generating the tags for the videos. Some seemed to load the video directly, but others just took me to the folder that had all the videos. Not sure if other people had the same thing.

Anyways, i had to edit my videos on MSmovie maker.

Why cant you upload your vids?

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:57 pm

That was an amazing trip report! I loved the detail you included and I am glad that you had a great first experience with Cathay Pacific. I'm still a bit surprised that they gave you the childrens kit... they don't even give them to teenagers anymore! :p

Anyways, as for the movie problem, you can just use YouTube; maximum is 10MB or 10 minutes, unless you are a director.
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Elite (Reply 57):
That was an amazing trip report! I loved the detail you included and I am glad that you had a great first experience with Cathay Pacific. I'm still a bit surprised that they gave you the childrens kit... they don't even give them to teenagers anymore! :p

Anyways, as for the movie problem, you can just use YouTube; maximum is 10MB or 10 minutes, unless you are a director.

Thank you very much! .. As i said before, Cathay is THE example for others to follow. At least from my own experience. I have yet to try SQ. With no exaggeration, CX's Y class is BY FAR, much better than EK's or KL's C class product.

Anyways, About YouTube, unfortunately it is banned in the U.A.E. The telecommunications 'monopoly' in the country has banned all web content related to weaponry, pornography, and the likes. So i will have to stick with PhotoBucket .. unless there are others around?

Thanks,

Roni
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 58):
Thank you very much! .. As i said before, Cathay is THE example for others to follow. At least from my own experience. I have yet to try SQ. With no exaggeration, CX's Y class is BY FAR, much better than EK's or KL's C class product.

Anyways, About YouTube, unfortunately it is banned in the U.A.E. The telecommunications 'monopoly' in the country has banned all web content related to weaponry, pornography, and the likes. So i will have to stick with PhotoBucket .. unless there are others around?

There has been lots of praise for SQ, and comparisons to CX, and I believe that SQ has won its share of the Airline of the Year 2006. Im sure you'll enjoy it, but probably CX will emerge as the winner. I made a poll here
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:22 pm

Out of curiosity, i did a few calculations on CX's A346 utilization.

As it is known, CX operates 3 A346 aircraft used on the following routes: JFK (daily), LHR (3x weekly), and MNL (2x weekly). The data was gathered during a random period of 7 consecutive days, to make up one week, and that was between September 23rd-29th 2006. I have also used CX's booking system on their website in order to get the most accurate aircraft/route information at the time.

Average daily utilization is 17 hours and 28 minutes. From this figure (if it is correct and accurate) i can assume that this is an 'optimal' rate of utilization, because the current operations cannot be done with two aircraft (utilization with only two aircraft came up to a figure above 24 hours). However, with three aircraft, CX is able to add another short route similar to that of MNL, or maybe something will a smaller time block.

Furthermore, it seems that all A346 arrivals occur at or before 10pm every day hence, leaving time for servicing to be done overnight, considering the long stage length and flight times of the flights. In addition, an interesting thing i found out, is that at least during this week that i gathered the data from, one aircraft remains on the ground all day, and is not deployed to any destination. For this week, that aircraft arrives today (Monday September 25th) at either 3:05pm from LHR or at 8:05pm from JFK, stays at HKG all day tomorrow (September 26th), and goes to either LHR or JFK on September 27th. I am not familiar with Cathay's aircraft maintenance schedule, but since it is just for one day, i am assuming it may have something to do with cleaning or what not.

Finally, in my above trip report, i was questioning the rather short turnaround time at JFK and was relating it to an assumption from my end that could have been due to overutilization of their aircraft. But from my figures, it seems that the timing for the flight was done so by choice (and a purpose) rather than just to keep the aircraft flying. After all, the flight arrives HKG at 8:05pm, and stays overnight, so it could have easily been scheduled a few hours later. Since the JFK A346 flight is an 'express' type of flight, with a large portion of business class seats, i would assume this timing to be more suitable for the business traveler (in addition to having the flight arrive a time suitable for pax to make any onward connections).

As for the worn out conditions of the A346, i assume it has nothing to do with their utilization (like i thought before in my trip) but it seems that this could be due to the fact that Cathay has been focusing more on in-flight service rather than updating the aircraft interior/technology etc. While i cannot provide a source for this piece of information, a friend of mine who works in the travel industry told me so, after speaking with someone he knew over at Cathay. Anyways, CX recently announced new retrofits for their products, so no more of that i suppose!

Once again, i am not sure of the accuracy of this information, as i just quickly summed up a few numbers etc. Nevertheless, i thought i'd share it with anyone interested  Wink

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 60):
As for the worn out conditions of the A346, i assume it has nothing to do with their utilization (like i thought before in my trip) but it seems that this could be due to the fact that Cathay has been focusing more on in-flight service rather than updating the aircraft interior/technology etc.

i'm not sure.. maybe the a346s get a big clean ex HKG, and CX think that will do, so they save costs at JFK by having a shoddy job done there. but still, it's surprising since HKG-JFK is one of the flagship routes. you'd think they'd want to provide a good environment for crew to work in and pax to enjoy the service.

i'm booked on CX254 from LHR-HKG in Dec in C and purposely chose an a343 instead of the a346 because of this cleaning issue and the fact that he a343 has a mini-cabin of two rows. anyway, it would be interesting to know if the cleaning is really an issue of of LHR as well as JFK. maybe someone with knowledge could enlighten us...

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 60):
CX recently announced new retrofits for their products

yeah.. the new products (esp. y) look really interesting though c is similar to ac, vs, nz etc.., but that's no bad thing. i think what cx has is a really good sense of aesthetics. their cabin designs are always really calming and relaxing and give a sense of contemporary asian sophistication.

anyway, your calculations look pretty accurate from my knowledge, though i know a346's have been known to visit SYD. i think their scheduling is kept as free as possible so they can match demand for capacity with a suitable size a/c. it's one of the reasons why they operate so efficiently.

anyway, thanks for all your effort  Smile
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting CXtra (Reply 61):
it's surprising since HKG-JFK is one of the flagship routes.

From what i THINK, their JFK flagship route is the one that routes through Vancouver. Most of what i hear about CX out of JFK comes from that flight. Not to forget that it also seems to be a very popular choice for passengers traveling between Canada and the USA. However, i didnt feel that CX advertized or marketed their JFK A346 flight the same way SQ and EK did with their A345 services (for SQ, i am at least referring to a point back in time when the service was profitable). Then again, i am not sure.

Quoting CXtra (Reply 61):
i'm booked on CX254 from LHR-HKG in Dec in C and purposely chose an a343 instead of the a346 because of this cleaning issue

Well CX 257/256 is a mix between A343 and A346. I wouldn't think cleaning would be much of an issue since the aircraft stays at LHR for 4 hours and 5 minutes at least, and had spent a whole night at HKG prior.

Thats plenty of time to clean up the aircraft, compared to just 1 hour and 45 minutes at JFK. Also, twice a week, the same A346 aircraft that arrives from LHR, goes to MNL after just over an hour at HKG. Thats when i would expect the plane to be filthy  Smile

Quoting CXtra (Reply 61):
i think what cx has is a really good sense of aesthetics. their cabin designs are always really calming and relaxing and give a sense of contemporary asian sophistication.

You are absolutely right. Apart from their excellent cabin service, this is also another factor that made up for the other negative points for me .. like the cleanliness of the A346.

Quoting CXtra (Reply 61):
though i know a346's have been known to visit SYD. i think their scheduling is kept as free as possible so they can match demand for capacity with a suitable size a/c. it's one of the reasons why they operate so efficiently.

That is correct. I also know they have been to Taipei too and i think Osaka. I am quite impressed with their efficient operations actually.

Thanks,

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:46 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 62):
their JFK flagship route is the one that routes through Vancouver

oh, really?.. that's interesting because it would certainly be my favoured routing but i would have assumed the direct service is more prestigious and therefore attracts a higher price tag. does anyone know if this is true?? i know this is certainly the case with SQ and EK as you mentioned, also TG. but no, you're right that cx don't make a big thing about their a346s, probably because, like you mentioned in your report, they're not too happy with their performance.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 62):
CX 257/256 is a mix between A343 and A346

i thought it was CX253/254 that had the a343/a346 rotations. anyway, minor point. but on the issue of cleaning, it seemed to me (i travelled CX256 on a343 in july) that even ex LHR, the a/c wasn't quite as spotless as CX111 was ex HKG. but it certainly wasn't *dirty*.
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting CXtra (Reply 63):
but on the issue of cleaning, it seemed to me (i travelled CX256 on a343 in july) that even ex LHR, the a/c wasn't quite as spotless as CX111 was ex HKG. but it certainly wasn't *dirty*.

Then it must be some cost-saving measure?

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:23 pm

CX originally planned to launch direct JFK with a "343-light" (8F/60J/remainder Y) but pulled it after 9/11, then put the 346 on the route as sort of a halfhearted measure.

CX's flagship route is London (as evidenced by the fact that they have 4x daily! even though 256/257 is said not to be doing that well).

That having said, it is notoriously hard to secure A class or award First on the JFK direct, so I think they are targeting 830/1 at business travellers rather than your average Y class traveller down the back.

Anyways, great report!
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:55 pm

Hi,

on the JFK Airport Website you can see who build and operates which Terminal http://www.kennedyairport.com/Commut...ravel/airports/html/ken_facts.html

Terminal 1 was build by Air France, Japan Airlines, Korean Air and Lufthansa in 1998. The old Terminal 1 was demolished
Terminal 2 and 3 are operated by Delta. Terminal 3 was the Pan Am Worldport
Terminal 4 is operated by the Schiphol Group
Terminal 5 is the old TWA Terminal and JetBlue will use this Terminal in the future
Terminal 6 is used by JetBlue until Terminal 5 is renovated
Terminal 7 is operated by British Airways and also used by United
Terminal 8 is build by American Airlines. The old Terminal 8 was demolished.

Thanks for this great report.
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:31 pm

Great trip report. Love your work. Firkin hell CX look good!  Smile
 
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:17 am

Oh  Smile Nice to see that this report has come back to life  Smile

Thanx!

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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:31 am

Roni,

awesome trip report; looks like you put in one hell of an effort to get this done!

Thanks, greatly appreciated.

One correction though:

Quoting Ronerone (Thread starter):
LH A343 getting ready to head to FRA:

The A343 you saw operates LH's HKG-MUC flight as LH 731.
HKG-FRA is operated by 744 as LH 739

Cheers,
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RE: CX: JFK-HKG-DXB In Y A346/772 (Lots Of Pics/Vids)

Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:12 pm

Excellent TR.

The pics are really great.

Thank you for sharing.

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