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BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:21 pm

Hi folks,

after a busy summer without much holidays it was time for some new flights. Due to a visit to LH Technik in HAM I decided to spend a whole week in Hamburg, because flying ex HAM means much more possibilities than from my regional airport PAD. I checked several websites for interesting offers and ended up booking a trip with BA and one multi-leg trip with LX. This TR deals with the BA trip to LHR. The reason to the LHR trip was that I have never been to the new T5 before and BA offers interesting fares in Y and C and I have never been on BA yet. To compare their service with other carriers I booked the outward flight in Y and the return in C. The return in C made it possible to visit the BA lounge galleries, what I have read much about in TRs from fellow A.netter Mark (BA319-131).

Flight: BA 965
Route: HAM-LHR
DATE: 21. Oct. 2008
SCHEDULED: 11:25 // 12:05
ACTUAL: 11:16 // 12:03
A/C: A320-232
REG: G-EUUR 6th flight on an A320, 1st on this one
SEAT: 13F
CLASS: ECONOMY

History: delivered to BA on 29th July 2003

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I chose a hotel in Hamburg next to a subway and suburban train station. Therefore it was easy to get to the airport. When the day came I headed to the airport without ruffle by public transport. At the airport I went into Terminal 1 where BA is located, but the counters were still closed. So I wandered around for a while.

Check in hall in Terminal 1:
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BA desks just before opening:
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At 9:20 BA opened their desks for the 11:25 flight to LHR. There was a desk for normal check in and one desk for bag drop. I was the only one who wanted to use their check in kiosks. A BA agent helped me through the program. It was easy to use and I made sure to collect my first oneworld miles.

My boarding passes:
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Then I went through security. I was the third in line and after two minutes I was airside. Unfortunately it was a rainy day in Hamburg. Therefore it was difficult to make many photos, because the windows were full of raindrops.

AF 320 and LH 321:
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LH 321 to FRA:
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I headed to the non-schengen gates. They are located in a separated hall after a passport control. I settled down at the windows and tried to take some pics.

A new Star Alliance member: TK A321.
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Then my plane arrived from LHR:
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Boarding started 5 minutes late. I was welcomed aboard by a friendly elderly female f/a. The aircraft was clean inside, but looked a bit worn. To my satisfaction the two seats next to me kept free. The captain welcomed us in English on the speakers with some flight information. The safety demo was manually done in English by the f/as. Due to the light load (70 %) push back started 9 minutes ahead of schedule and we taxied to rwy. 33. Take off was fast. We climbed through the clouds and soon we had sunlight.
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When the seatbelt signs were switched off the crew started their service. Two young female f/a served the Y cabin. We got a drink and had the choice of a candy bar or some nibbles. I took an orange juice and the nibbles:
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I like it when there are overhead screens on European flights. So I could follow our route over Bremen, Lelystadt and over the North Sea to England. Altitude was 34,000 ft. Sorry about the poor quality, the screens were three rows in front of me:
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Nice view outside:
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Nice weather and the North Sea under us:
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Then we reached the British coastline:
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Soon later we begun our descent to LHR:
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But we got a holding and made two or three circles over eastern London:
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On the approach I had a great view over the city of London:
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And here we are at LHR:
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We landed on rwy 27L. My first aircraft I saw was the SQ A380:
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And push back SQ A380:
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Welcome to Terminal 5:
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We had only a short taxi because we got position 522 at the beginning of the building and arrived two minutes ahead of schedule. Disembarking was fast. After a long walk I reached the baggage claim.
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Because I had no luggage I went through passport control and outside. I must say all ways are well signposted. Not like CDG (see next TR).

I like the London Taxi, but never had the chance to get a ride. Today I had again no time to go downtown. It was my 2nd time to LHR, but I have never been to London City.
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Departure level at sunny T5:
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A departing QF 744:
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The landscape around looks nice:
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I then went back inside and explored the check in facilities. The hall is spacious and full with daylight.
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I passed security at the south end. It took me some minutes with some slow people in front of me and shoes off and so on. Then I was airside on the upper level and started thinking, how to spend the remaining time.
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I heard about the restaurant of Gordon Ramsay, a British star cook, but decided to eat in the lounge. After looking around and reading several restaurant menus and walked downstairs and followed the signs to BA’s south galleries. I could just manage it to resist a seafood bar with oysters.
The entrance to the BA galleries was on the lower level, but the business lounge for club travellers was back on the top floor. I showed my boarding pass and was inside. After reading several TRs and checking BA’s website I expected something special, but now I got a really sensory overload. There was so much to see and to do. What a difference to other business lounges like LH at FRA. After looking around I used the free internet computers to check mails. Then I surveyed the food- and winebars and picked up a snack and some white wine.
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After finishing my small meal I went to the windows and settled down in a comfy chair. I had a great view outside onto the apron and the runway, but unfortunately the runway was used from the other direction, so not much to see apart from taxi traffic:
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Due to the nice sun it was a little bit to warm at the window and I changed my seat close to the beverage bar and helped myself with a whiskey.

The beverage bar:
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Good old whiskey:
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Instead of the crowded LH lounges it was very smoothly and with enough free seats in each area. There were places to work, to read newspapers and to eat…
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… places to eat… (note the wine shelves in the background)
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… and free computers and a copier. Note the screens with information about the departure gates:
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Flight: BA 966
Route: LHR-HAM
DATE: 21. Oct. 2008
SCHEDULED: 15:15 // 17:55
ACTUAL: 15:40 // 18:15
A/C: A320-232
REG: G-EUUL 7th flight on an A320, 1st on this one
SEAT: 3A
CLASS: BUSINESS

History: delivered to BA 20th Dec. 2002

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Boarding was scheduled for 14:45, so I left the lounge at 14:30 and headed to gate A12:
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The view outside is great, but for spotting the steal construction is disturbing:
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View onto the apron with G-EUUL to HAM on the right side:
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Gategourmet brings my meal?:
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What’s this? Any idea?

Right! Boarding started without any pre-boarding in a huge crowd more than 25 minutes late.

On board I was greeted by a young friendly female f/a. I sat down in my seat 3A and had a nice view to a neighbour B767:
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Again I was lucky to have the row to myself. The BA A320 has a 2-3 config in C-class. The middle seat on the left side is just an armrest and some space. The middle seat on the right side is a full seat and in two rows it was occupied.

After boarding the safety demo was shown on the screens in English and German this time.  thumbsup  Not that I need a German version, but there were some people on the plane where I doubted that they spoke English. Furthermore I think it couldn’t be wrong to play the language of the destination country.
While taxiing to rwy 27L the captain welcomed us aboard and apologized for the delay because of the late inbound of the aircraft.

Taxiing to rwy 27L with nice views:
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B757 Air Astana:
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NZ B747 and B777 (never heard before that NZ serves LHR with a B777):
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I was also astonished to see an AF B777:
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Has BMI a new livery?
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He he, looks funny:
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Beautiful British landscape after take off:
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Our way out of England:
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After the seatbelt sign were switched off the crew started to prepare the meals in the front galley:
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The young female f/a served the c-class section while two other young female f/as served the y-class with drinks. A fourth female f/a worked only in the front galley. Due to the short hop to HAM I expected only a cold meal, but soon I could smell a yummy scent from the galley.

While waiting for the meal I could see that we were leaving England:
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Then it was time for the meal. It consisted of a hot puff pastry filled with mincemeat. To it a sandwich with ham, a sandwich with cream cheese, a raisins roll and jam were served. Everything very delicious:
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With tea and orange juice. I also like metal cutlery:
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Back over Netherlands in 33,000 ft crz alt:
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After the meal service a visitor from the flight deck got a snack:
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Back over Germany. Nice white carpet:
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Then we started the descent through the clouds. Here you can the Elbe river:
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All in all it was a nice first c-class experience. The seat pitch was ok for me:
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We landed on rwy 23 in rainy Hamburg and taxied to the gate. After disembarking the pax had to go a far way to the baggage claim in terminal 1. I had no luggage, so after passport control I left the transit zone via the baggage claim in terminal 2, because I had the plan to check in at the Lufthansa desks and to pick up my boarding passes for the next day, unsuspecting a disappointment would wait for me. But this is a new story coming up within the next days.

Conclusion:
BA was a nice experience. Booking was easy. In my oneworld profile I preferred window seats. At the check in kiosk I was offered window seats  checkmark . The new T5 at LHR and the BA galleries were mind-blowing. The crew in both classes was friendly. In Y the service was nothing special, just business as usual. In C the meal was tasty. Beverage refill on demand. At that day I had no other C-class experience to compare, because it was my first business class flight. But the next day I would have my next experience on another carrier. No problem to fly BA in both classes again. Actually it’s not necessary to fly in C within Europe. But I was curious to explore the service and the fares were acceptable. For the whole trip I paid € 306,- incl. all taxes and charges.

Questions and comments are welcome!

Cheers,
Stefan
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:00 pm

Really nice Trip Report with amazing pictures of my home airport LHR!!! Glad you enjoyed BA, they really are a world class Airline!

About the Air France Boeing 777-200 it is operating to JFK as part of the openskies agreement, as BA is also operating a Boeing 757-200WL from Paris.

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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:03 pm

Hi, Stefan,

what a great idea to spend a day flying around Europe and especially to compare
different service levels. I know from your schedule according to our mail contact and waited
for your first story.

Congrats to the two new reg´s, always nice.

What a pity with that weather conditions at HAM, the free terrace there is also not bad for
doing pictures.
But, you´re lucky instead with the weather at LHR, looks really nice and warm.
Good pictures about T5 and the lounge area, looks like I need to go there also sometimes.

Thanx for posting and hope to read more during the next days,
Markus (FLIEGER67)
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:07 pm

wow, i love this TR. i never realised how beautiful London looks in the air.

what does 'schengen' mean? is it a special type of pass?

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
The captain welcomed us in English on the speakers with some flight information. The safety demo was manually done in English by the f/as

Yes, BA ought to annouce in German too! only cos im learning German haha!

a question out of curosity: why did you fly all the way to London only to fly back to Germany a few hours later? i know we all like planes but i wouldnt fly somewhere and then fly back for no reason! (well, maybe im crazy?!) sorry!

ive never flown BA short haul - it look good! was T5 still clean and bright?

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
NZ B747 and B777 (never heard before that NZ serves LHR with a B777):

yep, i never knew NZ brought their B777 in either! when i flew them last in Sept im sure i saw 2 B747 when we landed in LHR!

totally jealous you've seen the A380, i would give my right arm to see it hahhaa!

thanks again for a brilliant TR

vielen dank!

Toby
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:42 pm

Great trip report Stefan, well done!

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
I was also astonished to see an AF B777:



Quoting Sebjacques92 (Reply 1):
About the Air France Boeing 777-200 it is operating to JFK as part of the openskies agreement, as BA is also operating a Boeing 757-200WL from Paris.

Not quite - it's been operating the AF service to LAX. The AF service to JFK hasn't started yet.

BA isn't operating anything to the US from Paris - that's handled by BA subsidiary - Openskies/L'avion, both with B757-200W's. BA doesn't fly PAR-NYC with their own metal, although you can argue that the current OpenSkies fleet are BA metal anyway, but that's another argument for another day.
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:53 pm

Great report Stefan, really enjoyed, thanks.

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
A/C: A320-232
REG: G-EUUR 6th flight on an A320, 1st on this one

- A nice and new one, not been on that one yet!

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
I took an orange juice and the nibbles

- Those Skybite things are fab, love them!

Good stuff!

Regards

Mark
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:02 pm

Hi guys, thanks for your kind words.

@ Seb:

Quoting Sebjacques92 (Reply 1):
About the Air France Boeing 777-200 it is operating to JFK as part of the openskies agreement, as BA is also operating a Boeing 757-200WL from Paris.

I see. Thanks for info.

@ Markus:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
what a great idea to spend a day flying around Europe and especially to compare different service levels.

Yes, could be helpful when looking for long haul flights.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Congrats to the two new reg´s, always nice.

Not difficult to me. Because of using my regional airport PAD I have lots of Avros/BAe, ATR and CRJ100/200 in my log, but not many A32X.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
What a pity with that weather conditions at HAM, the free terrace there is also not bad for
doing pictures.
But, you´re lucky instead with the weather at LHR, looks really nice and warm.

I've never been to the terrace in HAM. But the only two rainy days in Hamburg I spent in LHR and CDG.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Good pictures about T5 and the lounge area, looks like I need to go there also sometimes.

Really worth to visit!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Thanx for posting and hope to read more during the next days,

The next TR will follow the next days.


@ Tobi:

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
wow, i love this TR.

Thank you!

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
what does 'schengen' mean? is it a special type of pass?

Members of "Schengen-Countries" are allowed to travel without a passport control. For example travelling from Germany to France. For more information about the Schengen Agreement look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
a question out of curosity: why did you fly all the way to London only to fly back to Germany a few hours later? i know we all like planes but i wouldnt fly somewhere and then fly back for no reason! (well, maybe im crazy?!) sorry!

Yes, I like planes and to fly. And that's why I took the chance to try a new carrier. Of course someday I will visit the city of London for some days. But that would be too much for this week, becuase I had some more plans. Wait for the next TR.

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
ive never flown BA short haul - it look good! was T5 still clean and bright?

BA short haul is worth to explore. No complains on this trip. T5 was very clean and bright. Have a look and check it out!

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
totally jealous you've seen the A380, i would give my right arm to see it hahhaa!

The day before I saw the 2nd A380 for EK at XFW. Really Amazing!

Cheers,
Stefan
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:03 pm

Very good TR and pics. Great ones of London . Also the SQ A380 on arrival.

Thanks for the report

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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:12 pm

Hi,

@ LHR777:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 4):
Great trip report Stefan, well done!

Thank you LHR777!

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 4):
Not quite - it's been operating the AF service to LAX. The AF service to JFK hasn't started yet.

BA isn't operating anything to the US from Paris - that's handled by BA subsidiary - Openskies/L'avion, both with B757-200W's. BA doesn't fly PAR-NYC with their own metal, although you can argue that the current OpenSkies fleet are BA metal anyway, but that's another argument for another day.

Interesting info. I didn't know.

@ Mark:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
Great report Stefan, really enjoyed, thanks.

Thanks for nice replay, Mark. I hope you noticed that I did this trip because of your several great TRs  cheerful 

Again thanks for your kind replies.
Stefan
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:31 pm

Great report,

in responce to NZ, the operate the 772 and 744 into LHR from AKL , on a daily rotation , the 772 (NZ1 and 2) goes via LAX and the 744 (NZ38 + 39) goes via HKG, early next year this will switch round to 772 to HKG and 744 back on the LAX run.
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 4):
Not quite - it's been operating the AF service to LAX. The AF service to JFK hasn't started yet.

BA isn't operating anything to the US from Paris - that's handled by BA subsidiary - Openskies/L'avion, both with B757-200W's. BA doesn't fly PAR-NYC with their own metal, although you can argue that the current OpenSkies fleet are BA metal anyway, but that's another argument for another day.

Ah cheers for the correction, either way i was surprised to see the Air France 777 at LHR also. BA OpenSkies / L'avion does look like a very nice product though.

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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:02 am

No wonder BA dont fly to STN, they would have a problem getting there looking at there moving map  Wink
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:04 am

Hi Stefan,
congrats with your first C class flight, and the first miles for oneworld  Wink I hope you'll keep collecting them in the future on this alliance  Silly.

Great pics as always, too. The SQ A380 looks good, although, it's not my favourite aircraft. I saw a same machine in NRT 3 days ago, also my first sighting on the SQ example.

Great lounge at BA. It's time to fly BA for me and try out myself  Smile

Gruß
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:54 am

Hola Stefan!

Good to read this TR about a European ride on BA.

I used to fly the more often when I was OW member. I see their service is still excellent for short hops: serving hot meals, nice and caring FAs....

T5, which I haven't visited so far, looks impressive.

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
What a difference to other business lounges like LH at FRA.

True words. My biggest disppointment with LH was the lounge at FRA... it was like a warehouse... pitiful!

Salut!

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Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:26 pm



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 11):
No wonder BA dont fly to STN, they would have a problem getting there looking at there moving map

It does look bizarre - it shows-up like that on most moving maps, regardless of the airline. It's because AirShow uses NDB data from the aircrafts' own avionics. There's a NDB (non-directional beacon) at Stansted, Kent, which is very close to Sevenoaks.

Still, it does look very odd that Stansted is in Kent on the IFE!
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:18 pm

Hi there,

thanks for your latest replies and comments.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 9):
in responce to NZ, the operate the 772 and 744 into LHR from AKL , on a daily rotation , the 772 (NZ1 and 2) goes via LAX and the 744 (NZ38 + 39) goes via HKG, early next year this will switch round to 772 to HKG and 744 back on the LAX run.

I see.

Hi Eric,

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 12):
congrats with your first C class flight, and the first miles for oneworld Wink I hope you'll keep collecting them in the future on this alliance Silly.

Thank you. Star Alliance will be my main alliance further on. But why not collecting miles on other systems? Maybe I will need them someday?! I also have a SkyTeam card from flying AF.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 12):
I saw a same machine in NRT 3 days ago, also my first sighting on the SQ example.

Interesting. How about a TR?  Smile

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 12):
Great lounge at BA. It's time to fly BA for me and try out myself

Really worth a visit. I will go there again as well. Maybe we could all meet there? Markus has the T5 on his to do list as well.

Hola Roger!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 13):
I see their service is still excellent for short hops: serving hot meals, nice and caring FAs....

I was satisfied with their service in C-class. But it was overtopped the next day.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 13):
My biggest disppointment with LH was the lounge at FRA... it was like a warehouse... pitiful!

Yes, I'm of the same mind.

Regards,
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:19 pm

Great TR!

I enjoyed the pictures and it is a shame that you did not get to go to downtown London, maybe next time? I have never been there unfortunately but It is definitely high up on the places I would love to visit someday!

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
After the meal service a visitor from the flight deck got a snack:

Isn't he supposed to be in the cockpit at all times? Or is that just a US rule?
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:17 pm



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 16):
Isn't he supposed to be in the cockpit at all times? Or is that just a US rule?

It's not a US (FAA) rule either, otherwise pilots could never use the lav! At least one pilot must always be in the cockpit, and when one pilot goes to the lav, a flight attendant is supposed to stay in the cockpit.
 
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:12 am

Hi Stefan,

Fantastic report and really glad you enjoyed BA. You definitely made the right choice booking C for the flight out of T5  Smile.

Really surprised to see Stansted still marked in the "wrong" place on the drop down maps; this received a bit of press coverage some months back when someone noticed, would have thought BA would have rectified the problem.

To elaborate on what was said above, we used to have a 744 on both NZ HKG and LAX to AKL services, but it has just changed with the winter timetable kicking in.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 17):
and when one pilot goes to the lav, a flight attendant is supposed to stay in the cockpit.

The key word here being "supposed" to  Wink.
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Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:58 am

Thanks for the report, I'm glad to here you enjoyed your trip. I am actually waiting to hear about your trip with LX, as I rarely fly other airlines due to having concessions with BA - I hear very positive things about LX - hope you managed to get some photos.  Wink

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 16):
Isn't he supposed to be in the cockpit at all times? Or is that just a US rule?

I think it must be a US rule. BA flightcrew can and do walk around the aircraft from time to time - it's less common on European flights due to short flights and busy airspace but on longhaul flights flightcrew sometimes walk around to speak to the cabin crew and generally stretch their legs.
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:05 am

Hi Stefan,

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 15):
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 12):
I saw a same machine in NRT 3 days ago, also my first sighting on the SQ example.

Interesting. How about a TR?

Yeah, it's on the planning. Although I've to cover 4 flights with it, it might take a while  Wink

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 15):
Maybe we could all meet there? Markus has the T5 on his to do list as well.

Yeah why not actually. Would be somewhere in 2009 then...  Smile

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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:26 pm

Hi Stefan,

Somehow I only just noticed your report about BA.
A true pity I didn't spot it earlier on, as it is a great read as usual from your hand.
You really made a good comparison between the Y- and C-product BA has to offer!
Also your pictures gave a bright insight in T5 at LHR, an airport still to be covered in my log.
Thanks for sharing your report, and I'm really looking forward to your next report!

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Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:55 am

Great TR.

Like all your pics. What a great day it was to fly into LHR.

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
He he, looks funny:

That looks indeed funny.

Glad you enjoyed your flights with BA. BA is a great airline, love them in long haul. They have a good service level.

Thank you for sharing

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Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:42 pm

Hi Stefan,

fantastic report and some great pictures. Flying Y-Class and C-Class on the same route offers a good comparision. Obviously BA is doing well in both classes (I have only been on Y so far).

LHR T5 looks great.

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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:46 am

Hi Stefan,

interesting report with many nice pictures. You were lucky with the weather at LHR.

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
Has BMI a new livery?

No, these are ex-Bmed (BA colors) planes.

Quoting Toby25 (Reply 3):
i wouldnt fly somewhere and then fly back for no reason! (well, maybe im crazy?!) sorry!

The journey is the reason - e.g. testing airlines, flying different types.


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Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:14 pm

Thanks for the report. It seems very nice on BA C Class however the meal was not as good as those in LX.
 
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:33 pm

Hi guys,

thanks for your latest replies  Smile

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 19):
I am actually waiting to hear about your trip with LX, as I rarely fly other airlines due to having concessions with BA - I hear very positive things about LX - hope you managed to get some photos. Wink

Yes, I made photos. Due to some trouble at work the TR is a bit delayed. But I promise you it will be coming up soon.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 20):
Yeah why not actually. Would be somewhere in 2009 then... Smile

That's actually better. The last days of this year are getting stressful here.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 21):
A true pity I didn't spot it earlier on, as it is a great read as usual from your hand.

Hi Joost, thanks for your friendly words.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
Like all your pics. What a great day it was to fly into LHR.

Yes, the day was absolutely perfect  Smile

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 23):
Flying Y-Class and C-Class on the same route offers a good comparision.

Hi Christoph! Yes, this was my thought as well. First I wanted to fly Y both ways. But due to the LX flight in C the day after I booked both classes for a better comparison.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
interesting report with many nice pictures.

Thanks for the friendly words, PH.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
You were lucky with the weather at LHR.

Indeed. The only two rainy days in HAM I spent in LHR and CDG Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
No, these are ex-Bmed (BA colors) planes.

I see. Thanks for info!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
The journey is the reason - e.g. testing airlines, flying different types.

That's it. ... and exploring new airports!

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 25):
It seems very nice on BA C Class however the meal was not as good as those in LX.

You're right. In the next days I will post the TR about LX C-Class.

Again thanks for all your comments and replies.

Cheers,
Stefan
 
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:37 pm

Hi StefanPAD. A very nice trip report and a good comparison between Y and C class.

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
On the approach I had a great view over the city of London:

Beautiful pictures of London. You were lucky with the weather. Very nice!

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
What a difference to other business lounges like LH at FRA. After looking around I used the free internet computers to check mails. Then I surveyed the food- and winebars and picked up a snack and some white wine.

Oh dear, I wished Lufthansa would pay a little attention to things like this. I think their lounges in Frankfurt are some of the worst in the entire Star Alliance system. Thank god they are at least not bad for spotting.  Wink

Quoting StefanPAD (Thread starter):
It consisted of a hot puff pastry filled with mincemeat. To it a sandwich with ham, a sandwich with cream cheese, a raisins roll and jam were served. Everything very delicious:

Wow! A very nice meal for a very short flight. Not bad at all. I remember flying a FRA-LHR sector in Lufthansa C and the food was nowhere near as good.

Thank you for all your efforts in creating this report.

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Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:27 pm

I was a bit surprised to see BA serve those SkyBites on the HAM-LHR sector for Y pax. I thought the least BA was offering from LJR are sandwishes. I might have been wrong.

But good trip report.
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Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:42 pm



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 28):
Wow! A very nice meal for a very short flight. Not bad at all. I remember flying a FRA-LHR sector in Lufthansa C and the food was nowhere near as good.

If memory serves me right, LH C class meal in europe is not the best, but Swiss defintely lead the way! However the reverse if true for long haul flight, IMO.
 
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:13 pm

Regarding the food - I am glad Stefan thought the food in C was good.

But I have to add that I really think the food is somewhat of a weakness on BA, especially on longhaul flights in J and F - the presentation is not great and the quality and variety needs to be improved.

In longhaul in Y on many routes, a dry croissant and some frozen orange juice constitutes "breakfast" - NOT good, and an embarrassment to serve.

However, I don't want to bash the airline too much - just suggest some improvements here and there, especially when one compares the service to BA's competitors.

Ok, it's a British airline and in the past cuisine was not really a strength in this country but this has changed a great deal recently, and BA (in some areas) needs to match this change.
 
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Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:19 pm



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 30):
But I have to add that I really think the food is somewhat of a weakness on BA, especially on longhaul flights in J and F - the presentation is not great and the quality and variety needs to be improved.

In longhaul in Y on many routes, a dry croissant and some frozen orange juice constitutes "breakfast" - NOT good, and an embarrassment to serve.

Well it depends on the time of the day. I have only flown Club World on the sleeper service from JFK to LHR. We had a small salad which was tasty before sleeping. The breakfast was disappointing. The bacon roll is not really good. Why don't they serve hot croissants.

As for Y, lunch and dinner are really great on longhaul. The breakfast is again a let down.

I think BA is miserable when it comes to breakfast. Their ham brioche is really not good on European morning flights. Why don't they simply serve a croissant instead or that full english breakfast as for all UK morning departures?
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RE: BA HAM-LHR-HAM In Y And C + T5/pics

Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:13 pm

Hi guys,

thanks again for your replies.

@ Globetraveller:

Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 27):
A very nice trip report and a good comparison between Y and C class.

Thank you

Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 27):
Beautiful pictures of London. You were lucky with the weather. Very nice!

Indeed. In HAM it was rainiy and I was really surprised with a sunny London.

Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 27):
Oh dear, I wished Lufthansa would pay a little attention to things like this. I think their lounges in Frankfurt are some of the worst in the entire Star Alliance system. Thank god they are at least not bad for spotting. Wink

Indeed, but the shared lounge in WAW is the same style, but without any windows. The worst lounge I have ever seen.

Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 27):
Wow! A very nice meal for a very short flight. Not bad at all. I remember flying a FRA-LHR sector in Lufthansa C and the food was nowhere near as good.

I heard many comments about that. But due to LH's high fares in European C-class it is not worth to check out IMO.

Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 27):
Thank you for all your efforts in creating this report.

Thank you!

@ AIR MALTA:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 28):
I was a bit surprised to see BA serve those SkyBites on the HAM-LHR sector for Y pax. I thought the least BA was offering from LJR are sandwishes. I might have been wrong.

I don't know. This was my first flight on BA, but the same standard service like on most other carriers.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 28):
But good trip report.

Thank you!

@ CityofAthens:

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 30):
However, I don't want to bash the airline too much - just suggest some improvements here and there, especially when one compares the service to BA's competitors.

Of course, when you search for improvements, it would not be difficult to find any. But I was just glad to get a hot meal on the short haul flight.

Again, thanks for all comments.

Cheers,
Stefan

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