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JDAirCEO
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Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 2:59 am

I went to Washington, DC to see the Air & Space Museum at Dulles and then flew DL from DCA to JFK then AA JFK-LAX and tried the new F transcon seats.

Sorry about the quality of the pics but they are again from my iPhone...

The Udvar-Hazy museum is really nice but less interactive than I thought it would be. It would be great if you could tour the inside of some of the planes. Overall its a very cool place and I would highly recommend it to anyone on this site.

Here are a couple pics from the museum:
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/022.jpg
Space Shuttle. Much bigger than I had imagined.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/027.jpg
Air France Concorde, would have been nice to be able to go inside.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/028.jpg

Time to catch my flight from DCA-JFK.

Saturday, 9 May 2009
Washington National/Reagan (DCA) - New York Kennedy (JFK)
Airline: Delta Airlines
Flight number: DL1134
Scheduled departure time: 1759
Scheduled arrival time: 1936
Type of aircraft: MD88
Load: F 70% Y 80%

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/flight_track_map2.gif
Flight time was only about :40 minutes.

I thought Delta's cabin was very clean and bright.
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/029.jpg
The water bottles were already out when we boarded, nice touch.

It was a very short flight but the flight attendant still managed to serve drinks and the "Snack Basket." There was a nice selection; I got coffee, a banana, and nuts. From what I have herd about DL's lack of food service in F I was surprised we got anything.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/030.jpg
The seats looked nice with the new leather but they are obviously an older generation and there is little room for two people to have beverages on the arm rest. The light colored carpet and LEDs really created a bright clean looking cabin.

So next I took the Airtrain around JFK to the AA terminal.
Saturday, 9 May 2009
New York Kennedy (JFK) - Los Angeles (LAX)
Airline: American Airlines
Flight number: AA185
Scheduled departure time: 2040
Scheduled arrival time: +0005
Type of aircraft: 767-200ER
Load: F 50% J 50% Y 40%

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/flight_track_map1.gif

This was the first I had been on this aircraft since the interior overhauls and it was a big improvement. The changes I noticed were new carpets, new bulkhead coverings, new LCD screens through out with a new digital media management system, new J seat covers, and the new F seats.
Supposedly the new F seats were in the 763s when they were three cabin aircraft. These seats look and feel like a version before the Flagship Suite seats, which I guess they are. The massage function is nice but doesn’t do much and not really necessary. It would be great if the leg rest came all the way up, but you cant have everything!

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Still at the gate.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/033.jpg
The new seat and you can see the J cabin in the background.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/034.jpg
Plenty of leg room and personal space!

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/035.jpg
Seat controls...

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/037.jpg
Those great warm nuts and the personal digital player which has tons of options. No moving map but that was sporadically displayed on the overheads.

This was a "snack" flight called "Midnight Raid" with the food options presented on a one page menu. Since there are no courses I guess it makes sense to stick with this short menu. I know day flights have multiple courses presented separately. I was disappointed in the lack of food choices but most people didn’t eat what they had so historically there must not be demand for more traditional service.

I had the Lemon marinated grilled chicken with goat cheese over seasonal greens, and herb dressing...
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/038.jpg
Presented as a one tray service and it was very good.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/039.jpg
Took some time to figure out where to put the digital player and eat at the same time...

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/036.jpg
One more cabin shot.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt175/hwyattn/040.jpg
Watching "Doubt"

Prior to landing we had "Sparkling Water with Fresh Fruit Garnish"

Overall it was a great trip and very glad I did it!
I would give the trip an 8.5 out of 10.

Thanks for reading!
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LX64A332
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 3:38 am

Very nice TR!
I am booked from MIA to JFK on a 762 in June in First, hopefully I'll get a retrofitted one! To me the new seats look a lot like the old 777 First seats.

cheers

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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 3:53 pm

I agree with you, the offering of the meal was lacking. Do they prorate the last JFK-LAX flight of the day due to this?  confused 
 
JDAirCEO
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 6:27 pm



Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 1):
To me the new seats look a lot like the old 777 First seats.

The seat coverings are the same but they arent the same seat. I wish they were because I really liked those seats. They were the best seats for sleeping I've ever been in.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 2):
Do they prorate the last JFK-LAX flight of the day due to this?

No because your paying for transportation, not food. Would be nice if they did though!
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 9:34 pm

Hey, nice report!

Let me ask you something. I'm traveling from Brazil to Miami for my vacation in November. I was planning to take a trip up to Washington DC so my wife can visit the city and of course I would make a stop at the National Air & Space museum at the Mall, but would also make a effort to go up to Udvar-Hazy as well.

Do you think its worth it? I believe so, the Enola Gay and 707 prototype alone are worth the visit, but would your recommend the visit?

tks!
 
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 10:38 pm

Unfortunately, I never made it to the Udvar-Hazy museum when I lived up in DC, but the more pics I see, the more I want to make a day trip up there.

Enjoyed the TR!

Thanks for sharing,

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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Mon May 11, 2009 11:52 pm

Nice TR

The AA service is disappointing. I would expect a little more form AA

Quoting JDAirCEO (Thread starter):
No moving map but that was sporadically displayed on the overheads.

I would expect a moving map on my PTV. Once again, disappointing.



Thank you for sharing

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JDAirCEO
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Tue May 12, 2009 12:54 am



Quoting FMAL (Reply 4):
Do you think its worth it? I believe so, the Enola Gay and 707 prototype alone are worth the visit, but would your recommend the visit?

I would go if your in the area but I wouldnt make a special trip to DC for it. Like I said, its a very cool place but not that interactive.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
The AA service is disappointing. I would expect a little more form AA

Thanks. The service could have been better but it typically is on the day time flights and it was nice to be on a well appointed widebody for the transcon flight.
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Tue May 12, 2009 1:16 pm



Quoting FMAL (Reply 4):
but would your recommend the visit?

It's the ideal place to go when you have a long layover at IAD. There is a direct bus from the airport that brings you to the museum in about 10 minutes. The bus fare costs almost nothing (50 cents each way?) and there is no admission for the museum. I visited the place recently and it's really nice! I only spent 1h inside though and that's way too short! Promised myself to go back one day!
 
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Tue May 12, 2009 2:05 pm



Quoting Flanders (Reply 8):

It's the ideal place to go when you have a long layover at IAD. There is a direct bus from the airport that brings you to the museum in about 10 minutes. The bus fare costs almost nothing (50 cents each way?) and there is no admission for the museum. I visited the place recently and it's really nice! I only spent 1h inside though and that's way too short! Promised myself to go back one day!

I made a trip to IAD for the day just to visit the museum. Yes, the bus is $0.50 each way, and schedules can be found on one of the info desks on the baggage claim level. Virginia Regional Transit.

The bus is much like a rental car shuttle, and there is no fancy machine to take your fare, just the driver with a cup.
 
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Wed May 13, 2009 12:26 am

Tks for the advice guys, I'll certainly check-in early to leave the bags and then go over to the museum before my flight from DC back to FLL.

All the best!
 
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Thu May 14, 2009 4:58 pm



Quoting Flanders (Reply 8):
The bus fare costs almost nothing (50 cents each way?) and there is no admission for the museum.

But if you drive a car its $15 to park!
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Thu May 14, 2009 7:18 pm

AA seem to have a decent product just wish they would improve their crockery glass plates? Didn't they die out in the 80s?? (although QR does a nice take on them Wink) couldn't be too expensive to replace them and update them? And while I'm being picky (  Wink) how about some new table cloths a bread plate!!!! looks dreadful just on the tray like that!
 
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RE: Udvar-Hazy Visit; DCA-LAX DL F & New AA Transcon F

Sat May 16, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 12):
improve their crockery glass plates?

They are supposed to be rolling out new crockery, not sure when though. The wine glass was new and finally a normal size but the salad plates are very dated looking.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 12):
how about some new table cloths a bread plate!!!!

One thing I like about AA meal presentation is the table cloths, they actually cover the entire tray table rather than just sitting in a plastic tray. I know they have bread plates Intl and this hybrid service needs them as well.
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