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747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:45 am

747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG



Dear all,

Some of you may have looked into my first trip report a few weeks back about a great flight on BGs DC-10 from DAC to HKG:

DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG (by Loran Dec 25 2009 in Trip Reports)

Now it is time to write about the next sector of that journey, a flight on Orient Thai’s classic 747 from HKG to BKK. I will also include the experiences I made from a previous journey on OX about two years earlier.

It probably can’t get any better than arriving in HKG on a DC-10 and departing on a 747-100, and this in November 2009. Those are likely the two most exotic aircraft and airlines presently operating in and out of HKG.

I hope you enjoy reading this report, and I am looking forward to your feedback. Questions & comments are always welcome.

Background & Preparation

Since the classic 747s are rare nowadays, I wouldn’t let any chance go of flying with them. OX is a particularly good choice for this purpose, because they are one of very few airlines that exclusively operate classic 747s. In 2009, there was no risk of equipment change because their MD-80s were not flying internationally. OX has quite a high attrition rate on their 747s though; some aircraft do not even last a year after acquisition and usually get stored and stripped for parts in places like DMK, CGK or DAC. OX operates 747-100s, -200s and -300s, but their fleet mix keeps changing regularly.

As mentioned, I have flown on OX before, it was December 2007 on sectors HKG-BKK-HKG. I will first cover the 2007 flights, and then include my experiences from November 2009. All of the three flights were operated by ship HS-UTM, which is one of only two 747-100B(SR/SUD) built. They were originally ordered by JAL for high demand domestic routes in Japan. I think their seat count is somewhere near 560. Sistership HS-UTQ unfortunately got stored and stripped for parts in 2008. On my first trip in December 2007 I was hoping to fly on both, but I was ‘unlucky’ and HS-UTM operated both flights that day.

This is HS-UTM:

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And this is sistership HS-UTQ recently pictured in poor condition:

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If anyone is interested, the history of the Thai registered classic 747s is impressive.
This website provides a good overview on the movements on the Thai register.

When I booked the 2007 flights, I was actually a bit worried of equipment change to a 747-200 or -300, since I have never been on a -100 at that time. Only days before the flight on OX, I was waiting in HKG for another flight to KUL, I saw that OX203 was operated by a 747-200. Not bad either, but I have been on several -200s before. But the biggest problem in 2007 was that, according to demand, OX occasionally operated their MD-80s to HKG. So there was a reasonable risk at that time, but I was able to track the regs and aircraft types throughout 2007 to see when the 747 were flying, and I only purchased the ticket the day before departure after confirming equipment type in the OX ticketing office.


Booking

I will now start with my HKG-BKK-HKG roundtrip from 2007. Booking the ticket works a bit differently compared to ‘regular’ airlines. You can’t just simply go online and book your ticket through a booking engine. You have to write them an email with your travel dates, then they make a reservation and you need to come to their office at the city of departure before the departure day and collect everything in person. The only accepted method of payment is cash, and it took them a good 1-2h to issue the ticket. Sound like in the 1980s... But this is only one of the many strange things we do to fly on these planes. OX actually does reply in person to the email requests, and it all worked fine. Fares were around HKD 1600 one-way if I remember correctly.

At the office, I was able to confirm the next day’s equipment type although the person at the counter did not speak a single word English. I wrote on a piece of paper “747-100? MD-80?”, and after we came back 2h later to collect the ticket, she smiled and pointed with her finger on the paper where I wrote “747-100”. By the time we were in the ticketing office in the late afternoon, the aircraft was probably already close to boarding in BKK. It then stays overnight in HKG and departs back to BKK the next morning at 8:15am.

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Part 1 (2007): Outbound flight to Bangkok (OX203)

The next morning we woke up at around 4:30am and catched the first airport express train. Check in was smooth and I asked if it is possible to get a seat on the upper deck. But the lady said the upper deck is closed today and would only open when the plane is full. Alternatively I asked for a window seat ahead of the wing, which I got without problems. Later I found out that the seats in the very front and rear sections were not allocated to any passengers.

Because it was only a daytrip to BKK, we didn’t carry any check-in luggage. In 2007, OX used the remote stands and passengers were driven there by bus. We made our way to the departure gate downstairs where the busses would pick us up. It got quite busy because there were actually two OX flights leaving at the same time. The gate next to us was scheduled for OX219 to Phuket, operated by an MD-80. At that time I still was not 100% sure which aircraft will operate the flight until I had final (visual) confirmation.

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Boarding started on time and we were driven a long way along the terminal until we reached the remote stand on the west side of the terminal. From far away I was able to locate the colorful OX tail, here is a shot after we came closer.

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Once we arrived at the stand, I was a bit relieved to spot the letters ‘UTM’ on the NLG doors. That was final confirmation that it was one of the two only 747-100B(SR/SUD). Boarding took place from the ground by using two stairs. This was good because I was able to spend some time outside in front of the plane and enjoy the great view until everyone was up the stairs.

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After some reading I didn’t hear many good things about OX reputation, but from a superficial look I have to say that I was positively impressed from HS-UTMs condition. Here are two snapshots from inside:

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This is the priceless view of the JT9D engines just before pushback.

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Engine start-up took a while and we started taxiing for a Rwy 07R departure.

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I think this stored Focus Air 747 was broken up by now.

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The holding point of Rwy 07R.

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Line-up on Rwy 07R.

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Finally we were only moments away from departure on this great plane. Here are the flight details:

747-146B(SR/SUD)
HS-UTM (s/n 23637)
Delivered to JAL 09/09/1986 as JA8176
Delivered to OX 06/04/2006
HKG-BKK (OX203)
14. December 2007
08:15 - 09:55, flying time 2:40h
Seat 17K
Load factor was approx. 75%.


I captured the take-off roll on video, hence no photos until we were airborne. I will try to upload them on YouTube to share the priceless sound from those JT9Ds. Take-off roll was short due to the reduced MTOW of this short-range 747 SR. We were airborne after using not even half of Rwy 07R.

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Unfortunately we entered a right turn shortly after being airborne, hence no view from Hong Kong Island. Here is a view I never get tired of.

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Quite soon some snacks were served and we got a small breakfast package. This bag of peanuts felt like it is going to blow up due to the pressure difference on the ground and in the air.

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After breakfast was served and the attendants finished their service, I made an attempt and politely asked whether it would be possible to visit the flight deck. One staff member actually did call the cockpit, but the response was negative. I also asked if I could visit the upper deck, but she then said the upper deck looks like the main cabin.   

Other than that I have to say their service was quite good and I was positively impressed. Back at my seat I took some more shots, e.g. this unidentified airport appeared somewhere underway.

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Not long after we also started our descend into Bangkok Suvarnabhumi International.

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We also crossed the path of some east-bound departure traffic out of Suvarnabhumi. Looks like a TG 777-200.

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We then entered a downwind leg for a 01R approach.

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This one looks like a TG A300-600 on a 01L approach.

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Over the beach we then entered our 180 degree turn to turn finals. Our shade on the water created the impression that HS-UTM went supersonic and produced a shockwave. Must have been an optical illusion.

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During the final turn and while lining up with the arrival Rwy 01R, the crew overshot the centerline a fair bit and was quite busy to re-align HS-UTM with 01R, which took a long time until the approach was stabilized. Here, the crew is still correcting to the left a long way down from the beach.

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Landing was the smoothest 747 touchdown I ever experienced. It was so gentle that I almost didn’t feel when we hit the deck. The crew engaged reversers and we vacated Rwy 01R shortly after.

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On that flight, OX used the remote stand on the Northeast side of the terminals. Here is company ship HS-UTD, a ‘real’ 747-100 since the 747-100B(SR/SUD) are technically almost identical to a 747-300(SR).

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We disembarked and we driven by bus to the international terminal complex to clear customs.

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Here is company ship HS-UTD.

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Layover in Bangkok

We arrived in the city at around 11am, giving us about 4h of time for a 5pm departure back to HKG. We spend most of the time visiting the tailor who I have been with for many years. The rest of the afternoon we spent in MBK Shopping Center. At around 3pm, we headed back to the airport a bit earlier than expected due to the traffic madness in Bangkok.

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Part 2 (2007): Return flight to Hong Kong (OX200)

While driving up the ramp at BKK, I spotted the full OX line-up comprising four classic 747s. At that time I had no idea which aircraft was to operate the return flight, so I was curious if I was able to fly on one of the other three. HS-UTM is the second from the left with the blue underbelly.

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Check-in was smooth, and again we got some good seats at the window. We then headed to the gate and were driven by bus back to the remote stand.

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When we stopped it turned out that HS-UTM was to operate the return flight as well. While we were boarding, I was able to take another look. In front of the landing gear I saw some liquid is leaking from the area near the air conditioning packs.

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It turned out that there was a delay until we pushed back. At least I had plenty of time to grab some more shots of the classics line-up. Together with the delay and slowly setting sun, the chances of taking more in-flight shots unfortunately also decreased.

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Sistership HS-UTQ, which I was hoping to fly on, was undergoing a tire change.

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Just when the sun was gone, we pushed back and taxied a long way to the holding point of Rwy 01L, which is basically at the other end of the airport.

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At the holding point we were holding short for a while, enough time to take a look at the flight details:

747-146B(SR/SUD)
HS-UTM (s/n 23637)
Delivered to JAL 09/09/1986 as JA8176
Delivered to OX 06/04/2006
BKK-HKG (OX200)
14. December 2007
18:10 - 21:40, flying time 2:30h
Seat 22K
Load factor was again approx. 75%.


OX200 is scheduled to depart at 16:50, so we were running about 1:20 h late.

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Landing in HKG was again extremely smooth. I know that you cannot judge pilot skill based on landings, but this certainly felt like the pilot had a good understanding on how to flare and gently establish contact to the runway surface.

After arrival we again parked at the distant remote stands (W127 if I remember correctly). A company MD-80 was sitting next to us, which must have just completed the Phuket flight.

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This concludes my two flights from 2007. As mentioned above, the third flight took place after arriving on Bimans DC-10 the night before.


Part 3 (Nov 2009): Outbound flight to Bangkok (OX203)

I will make this section shorter and only point out the differences to the above flights. As mentioned, I had a great flight on the DC-10, and since Biman was perfectly on time, I had about 10h of time in Hong Kong.

This time the ticket issuing was a bit complicated because I had no chance to collect the ticket in person due to my late arrival. I was only on Hong Kong Island outside of the regular business hours for the short overnight stay. Again, I reserved the ticket through email upfront and a friend was able to collect the ticket for me 2 weeks earlier. Hence at arrival I had to make a detour to collect the ticket, which was left at the reception of a hotel on Hong Kong Island. Unfortunately there was a long queue of people waiting for taxis at the Airport Express station on Hong Kong Island. But after about 30 mins of waiting it was my turn and the taxi driver was ok to make this side turn so that I could pick up the ticket.

Arriving at the hotel, I was glad that the receptionist was able to print off my boarding pass for my Thai AirAsia (FD) connection out of BKK, which I was carrying as a pdf file, but unable to print before heading off to DAC.

The next morning I had to get up at 4:30 am, quite a challenge at that moment after a sleepless night in DAC the day before. Again, I catched the first Airport Express service to Chek Lap Kok airport. At check-in, I had to negotiate a seat with the friendly counter staff. She offered me a seat somewhere near the wing, but I politely asked whether I could have a seat around numbers 12A-17A ahead of the wing. She reconfirmed with her work colleagues (it appeared that this section was to be closed today). Eventually I was offered seat 16A, which I took with pleasure.

This time I booked OX in hope to fly on one of their 747-300s. I was in Bangkok in August 2009 and saw HS-UTN operating OX203, and I expected HS-UTM to be retired already. This time I just let things happen and did not care much about which equipment would operate today’s service, since I have been on 747-300s before.

It seems that during 2009, OX was operating from the regular gates at the terminal, compared to the remote stand in 2007. I was the first one to arrive at the gate, and curious which aircraft would operate today’s OX203 service. I was quite surprised to see HS-UTM again, and maybe a little disappointed.

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The flight engineer arrived shortly after and was waiting at the gate for his fellow colleagues for a while, so I grabbed the opportunity and had a chat with him. I also asked whether a cockpit visit would be possible, but he kindly explained that there is no chance in HKG. The rest of the crew arrived as well within a short time and boarded the aircraft.

At boarding, I was surprised to be the only one to be seated in the forward economy section. The center and rear economy looked as if they were almost full. The other passengers looked at me and probably wondered why I was sitting there all by myself.

Pushback was on time, and again we made our down to the holding point of Rwy 07R. The airport was already quite busy and other aircraft were following us.

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After lining up on Rwy 07R, we were sitting there for several minutes until takeoff clearance was given. Again it was a priceless sound coming from those JT9Ds at take-off. I will try to upload a video of this take-off as well and link it here.

Here are the flight details:

747-146B(SR/SUD)
HS-UTM (s/n 23637)
Delivered to JAL 09/09/1986 as JA8176
Delivered to OX 06/04/2006
HKG-BKK (OX203)
November 2009
08:17 - 10:04, flying time 2:47h
Seat 16A
Load factor was approx. 60%.


This time the same Runway was used for departure as in 2007, however a different departure route. This time HS-UTM departed straight out and only turned right after we passed Hong Kong Island. So again bad luck and no view of the city, however I was able to get some nice shots of the terminal.

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The right turn to head west was only initiated after we broke through the dense layer of clouds.

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After the seatbelt sign was switched off, some pax suddenly started moving to the forward economy section. I also saw that one pax sat in the very front which used to be JAL’s Business Class. This is the retro interior design of this 23 year old aircraft.

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While cruising over Vietnam and Laos, I took some more in flight shots. The 747 classic wing guarantees for a nice view. Apologies for the reflections, the sun was shining from that direction making it difficult to get a clean shot.

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In flight service was good and I won’t go into too many details here since it was the same as on the previous flights. Descent commenced shortly after, here are some shots from the surroundings of Bangkok metropolitan area. Check out the speed brakes in action and the Kruger flaps.

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At line-up with the localizer, I figured out that we headed for a Rwy 19R approach. Again, landing was smooth and uneventful.

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Like in HKG, I was quite surprised to see that OX was actually using the regular gates in BKK too. We headed to Gate E2, saving me a long bus ride from the remote stand at the North side.

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At arrival, I was again only in transit and had about two hours of time until departure on Thai AirAsia’s brand new A320-216. This aircraft was only operational for seven days after delivery, what a contrast to the DC-10 and 747-100! And this was only the second of four flights I was booked on that day, to be followed by a MH 737-400 and SQ 777-300.

Conclusion

In conclusion I was quite happy with OX’s service. Booking and paper tickets were a bit inefficient and created some hassles, but I guess that is necessary if you want to fly a 747-100 in the year 2009.   Other than that the service was good and staff was friendly. I would certainly take the chance again to fly on their classics, next time hopefully on one of their 747-300s, of which they recently got delivered additional ex-JAL airframes.

I hope you enjoyed reading this trip report, which is one of several I want to write over the next weeks / months. The ones to follow will include the Il-96, Il-86, 747 SP (cockpit approach & landing), 727-200, F-28 (also in the cockpit), 737-200/-700 (both cockpit), and several Tu-154B/M & Tu-134B.

Regards,
Loran

[Edited 2010-01-27 03:25:25]
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:53 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOc9940jV4

Here we go. The takeoff roll of OX203 (Nov 2009) thundering down Rwy 07R. Turn up the volume to hear those JT9Ds at work  Smile
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-

Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:10 pm

Hey Loran

Absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing with us another mind-blowing experience on the classics. Big grin I can't wait to see more of your other trips. Having been based in Bangkok for a while, I almost feel ashamed to say I've only been on OX's 747 Classics once (in 2005 on HS-UTB, ex-JL, "noted engineless Jan-07" Sad according to the Thai aviation site), and that was when it was subbed for a 757 on a short CNX-BKK. I've always wanted to fly the BKK-HKG route but procrastinated, never got round to it. So thanks to this TR - makes me want to go on them now more than ever before!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Boarding took place from the ground by using two stairs. This was good because I was able to spend some time outside in front of the plane and enjoy the great view until everyone was up the stairs.

These are one of the rare situations I would hope for a long, long queue that moves very slowly  Wink


This is such a priceless shot of the JT9D... gorgeous!
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac57/chefsalat/OX203%202007/2007Bild15.jpg


Nice shot this... yes, not what I miss of Bangkok...
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac57/chefsalat/OX203%202007/2007Bild34.jpg

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
After the seatbelt sign was switched off, some pax suddenly started moving to the forward economy section. I also saw that one pax sat in the very front which used to be JAL’s Business Class. This is the retro interior design of this 23 year old aircraft.

Not bad looking interiors considering the age. What were the loads like for the flights you were on? Also I seem to recall OX selling a Y+, upgradable at the airport, with seats on the upper deck. I guess they don't do that anymore?

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Booking and paper tickets were a bit inefficient and created some hassles, but I guess that is necessary if you want to fly a 747-100 in the year 2009

So true... and I'd want a good 'ole paper ticket to commemorate one of last flights we'll ever get on a 747 classic?  Smile

Thanks again Loran for the great report.

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This plane must be from the 1970s therefore at least 30 years old. Personally, I would not fly on such old equipment; 10 years ago I used to avoid TWA because they were still using the old 100s.

The airline reminds me of Tower Air that had a 747-100 fleet. They went out of business and they were known for many delays due to technical problems.

Thanks for the interesting report.
 
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Thanks for your TR! Very jealous of your trip on the classics. Does OX have all their B747s in an all-economy configuration?

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Thanks for the awesome report! so question..i noticed the many upper deck windows. I thought the -100 only had like 3 or 4 windows upstairs..Are there different variations? I take it this was probably one of the last -100s built?
Thanks again for the report and pics. Very unique indeed!
 
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Quoting Airpearl (Reply 2):
Absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing with us another mind-blowing experience on the classics.  I can't wait to see more of your other trips. Having been based in Bangkok for a while, I almost feel ashamed to say I've only been on OX's 747 Classics once (in 2005 on HS-UTB, ex-JL, "noted engineless Jan-07"  according to the Thai aviation site), and that was when it was subbed for a 757 on a short CNX-BKK. I've always wanted to fly the BKK-HKG route but procrastinated, never got round to it. So thanks to this TR - makes me want to go on them now more than ever before!

Hi airpearl, many thanks for your kind words. I can definitely recommend you to take the chance one more time as long as they operate. But at least you have tried them once before.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 2):
These are one of the rare situations I would hope for a long, long queue that moves very slowly  

True, I was one of the last ones to get up the stairs. But later there was a second and even third load of people coming on other buses, so plenty of time  Smile

Quoting Loran (Reply 1):
Not bad looking interiors considering the age. What were the loads like for the flights you were on? Also I seem to recall OX selling a Y+, upgradable at the airport, with seats on the upper deck. I guess they don't do that anymore?

Definitely in good shape HS-UTM. I was positively impressed. The loads were between 65% and 75% on all flights. Basically the whole economy (except the forward Eco, upper deck and Business in the nose) were fully occupied. Unfortunately they didn't sell the Y+ upgrade on my flights, but I will keep trying.

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 3):
This plane must be from the 1970s therefore at least 30 years old. Personally, I would not fly on such old equipment; 10 years ago I used to avoid TWA because they were still using the old 100s.

The airline reminds me of Tower Air that had a 747-100 fleet. They went out of business and they were known for many delays due to technical problems.

Thanks for the interesting report.

Thanks LYChemsa. The plane was built in 1986 and is the last or second last -100 built and only 2 years before the first -400 was delivered. If you take a close look at the cabin interior you will find out that it does look good for 23 years of age. The Biman DC-10 I was on the day before definitely looked 'tired' compared to this one. Airplane age is also a relative figure, the maintenance is the more important factor. The plane was owned by JAL for almost 20 years, which I would assume took well care. OX is a different story, but compared to the other OX airframes this one seems to be treated well. If you are interested in the history of these planes, there are plenty of fleet lists online. I looked up the deliverey dates here:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-23637.htm

Quoting Fauzi (Reply 4):
Thanks for your TR! Very jealous of your trip on the classics. Does OX have all their B747s in an all-economy configuration?

Thanks a lot Fauzi. It is all economy except that little Business class in the nose section. But I don't think they sell tickets for Business at all, but it would be worth inquiring next time, because this would be the most competitive business fare on that route.

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Quoting Toobz (Reply 5):
Thanks for the awesome report! so question..i noticed the many upper deck windows. I thought the -100 only had like 3 or 4 windows upstairs..Are there different variations? I take it this was probably one of the last -100s built?
Thanks again for the report and pics. Very unique indeed!

Hi Toobz, thanks for your feedback. The upper deck window configuration was chosen by the customer. Initially there were only three available, but when the -200 got introduced, most airlines ordered the -200 equivalent upper deck window pattern on their -100. IIRC there are also -200s out there which only had three windows. Once the -300 got launched, Boeing offered airlines to stretch (SUD) the upper decks, which e.g. KLM and UTA in France purchased as a retrofit to existing -200s. JAL was the only -100 customer who ordered the SUD at manufacturing. So it is a bit complicated, and it is a common misunderstanding that all -100 have three upper deck windows. Hope this helps.

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Great pictures of the 747 engines! I like all the different views. Haven't seen too many reports on this airline, nice to read about them!
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Great report and photos.

I just flew Orient Thai BKK-AUH-BKK a couple of weeks ago. I was hoping to get HS-UTM or the -200 but got HS-UTV, a 1985 build ex-JAL B747-346 which as you say is actually older than the -146B/SR/SUDs. HS-UTM was having an engine change at the time.

I got a flight on the other -146B/SR/SUD, HS-UTQ, a couple of years ago though: Orient Thai B747-100 BKK-HKG-BKK [+pics/vid] (by UK_Dispatcher Aug 23 2007 in Trip Reports) . Sad that she's being broken up now.

Nice to know -UTM is still flying though  
 
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Hi Lonan!

Thanks for positng an excellent trip report! Too bad you flew on the same aircraft three times.......

I had some great flights on TW 741 and also UA 741 aircraft a while back.

Glad that things worked out for you since it's a bit complicated to get a ticket on OX. Nice to hear that they are still flying.

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Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:31 pm

Excellent report!

Which routes do OX operate at the moment? Their website seems to only indicate one flight a day!
 
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Very nice report and great to see something different. Im very much looking forward to the next reports, they really
do look interesting.

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Quoting Vasu (Reply 11):
Which routes do OX operate at the moment? Their website seems to only indicate one flight a day!

Thats it - just to HKG on an evening and back the next morning. Their 747s spend a lot of time sitting around when they're not out on lease.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:30 am

Great TR - thanks for posting!

Always wanted to see what it was like to fly Orient Thai, as it is one of the VERY few airlines I wouldn't set foot on.

I've just heard too many things from insiders in the industry in Thailand and Asia about the number of corners they cut with regards to staff training and to safety and maintainance.

I know the odds are stacked in my favour, but I really wouldn't feel comfortable getting on board one of their aircraft - particularly after the crash at URT a couple of years back.

But a very interesting trip report all the same, and thanks for taking the time to post it.
 
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Quoting Thai744 (Reply 14):
I know the odds are stacked in my favour, but I really wouldn't feel comfortable getting on board one of their aircraft - particularly after the crash at URT a couple of years back.



The crash at Surat Thani was a TG A310. Maybe the accident you are thinking of was the OX MD-80 in Phuket?

Quoting Loran (Reply 7):
JAL was the only -100 customer who ordered the SUD at manufacturing. So it is a bit complicated, and it is a common misunderstanding that all -100 have three upper deck windows. Hope this helps.



Thanks for sharing that interesting piece of information. I had no idea that -100 SUD's existed, let alone were ordered/built as such.
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Quoting UncleKoru (Reply 15):

The crash at Surat Thani was a TG A310. Maybe the accident you are thinking of was the OX MD-80 in Phuket?

My apolgies - you are, of course, correct.

This was the incident I was referring to.

Thanks for the correction!
 
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Quoting 767747 (Reply 8):
Great pictures of the 747 engines! I like all the different views. Haven't seen too many reports on this airline, nice to read about them!

Thanks 767747, glad you liked it. The departure times of HKG and BKK unfortunately never allow for a good shot with the sun in the fans, but nevertheless a great and rare sight.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 9):
Great report and photos.

I just flew Orient Thai BKK-AUH-BKK a couple of weeks ago. I was hoping to get HS-UTM or the -200 but got HS-UTV, a 1985 build ex-JAL B747-346 which as you say is actually older than the -146B/SR/SUDs. HS-UTM was having an engine change at the time.

Hi Ian, many thanks. I would have loved to fly on HS-UTV   There is a webpage which lists each reg departing or arriving at BKK, even hours before departure / arrival. So technically you could take a look and purchase the ticket on short notice in either BKK or HKG when UTM is flying. I have done that before I bought my ticket. The web page is occasionally down (for the last couple of days it seems to be), but worth bookmarking. It even lists the IR 747 SP regs, JS Il-62 regs, etc.

http://webf.freezonethaiairport.com:8080/fis/daily/departure.jsp

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 9):
Nice to know -UTM is still flying though

UTM looked equivalently good as in 2007, so I would assume it will still be going for a while  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
Thanks for positng an excellent trip report! Too bad you flew on the same aircraft three times.......

Thanks for your feedback 777Man. It would have been nice to get on UTV or one of their -300(SR) - I will keep trying. The DC-10 was the main reason for this trip anyway, and the OX classic just a bonus  

Quoting Vasu (Reply 11):
Excellent report!

Thank you Vasu, glad you liked it. As mentioned by others, they only fly to HKG at the moment. Good news is no MD-80s on that route, so it is a 100% hit if you want to fly on a 747 classic.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Very nice report and great to see something different. Im very much looking forward to the next reports, they really do look interesting.

Thanks OA260, more to follow soon in here

Quoting Thai744 (Reply 14):
Great TR - thanks for posting!

Always wanted to see what it was like to fly Orient Thai, as it is one of the VERY few airlines I wouldn't set foot on.

Thanks Thai744. I must admit the first time I was a bit worried, too, but as mentioned in the report the aircraft looked relatively good and the crew made a positive & professional impression, so I felt ok on the other two flights. But as you mention, most things happen in the background and hence are hidden to our eyes and not visible from a superficial look.

Quoting UncleKoru (Reply 15):
Thanks for sharing that interesting piece of information. I had no idea that -100 SUD's existed, let alone were ordered/built as such.

Thanks UncleKoru, I am sure there is more info out there about the SUDs. Only few airlines ordered that package, making it difficult to distinguish between the -100, -200 and -300. The window configuration is a story of its own, most of my friends always thought that the ones with three windows must be a -100, nine windows is a -200 and the long upper deck is a -300. Unfortunately non of the three assumptions are correct.

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Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:57 pm

Hi Loran,

another stunning report about flights on really rare aircraft. Getting the 747-100 has become very hard, I'm glad I flew on that type twice when AF still operated it.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
It probably can’t get any better than arriving in HKG on a DC-10 and departing on a 747-100, and this in November 2009. Those are likely the two most exotic aircraft and airlines presently operating in and out of HKG.

I guess you are right.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
I also asked if I could visit the upper deck, but she then said the upper deck looks like the main cabin.

 


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Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:43 pm

I can't reply too much to this gem of a report....I'm speechless!!! That pretty much sums up how I felt about it  
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:59 am

Very fascinating report, Loran! All I could do was to admire the pictures. Thanks for sharing!

I wish I had more of a chance to fly 747 Classics - only flown on it once and I don't even remember it.. Maybe I'll get a chance to fly on it sometime.. Hopefully before they scrap them.

How much different was the price paid for this ticket in comparison with CX or TG?

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Thanks for your kind words PH, Flightsimboy and NZ107, I am glad you liked it.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 20):
I wish I had more of a chance to fly 747 Classics - only flown on it once and I don't even remember it.. Maybe I'll get a chance to fly on it sometime.. Hopefully before they scrap them.

If you can make it to BKK or HKG within the next 12-18 months, I am sure OX' classics will be around (or even longer than that).

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 20):
How much different was the price paid for this ticket in comparison with CX or TG?

OX' o/w fare is HK$1600 (AU$230) even the day before booking (unless sold out), and a quick search for flights a month in advance quoted TG at AU$467 and CX at AU$473. So it roughly half price.

However it is a busy route and competition includes CI, EK, ET, FD, KQ, PK, RJ, and UL. As an alternative I was looking at RJ or PK because they both operate an A310-300 on that route, however they are not daily and times didn't match well with my BG arrival (and the A310 should be around longer than the 747 classics).  

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Quoting Loran (Reply 21):
OX' o/w fare is HK$1600 (AU$230) even the day before booking (unless sold out), and a quick search for flights a month in advance quoted TG at AU$467 and CX at AU$473. So it roughly half price.

However it is a busy route and competition includes CI, EK, ET, FD, KQ, PK, RJ, and UL. As an alternative I was looking at RJ or PK because they both operate an A310-300 on that route, however they are not daily and times didn't match well with my BG arrival (and the A310 should be around longer than the 747 classics).

Thanks for that info! I'm one keen person for trying out some airlines and planes around Asia over the coming years! Half price may just do the trick for me, A$230 sounds quite good and the opportunity to fly another airline that I wouldn't otherwise get to travel on is there too.
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:08 am

Hey Loran (and people generally in the region),

I am trying to fly this route next month and it has been almost impossible to deal with the HKG and BKK offices from here in Caracas. Could someone confirm what aircraft is used for this flight these days? Also, any online agency selling these tickets?

Thanks for the help.

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Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 23):
I am trying to fly this route next month and it has been almost impossible to deal with the HKG and BKK offices from here in Caracas. Could someone confirm what aircraft is used for this flight these days? Also, any online agency selling these tickets?

Hey Abrelosojos, just got off a flight on OX last Saturday!   Booking is a big hassle: you can book directly by phone with OX but you need to have it manually ticketed in Bangkok or Hong Kong - they have a permanent ticketing desk at Suvarnabhumi in front of check in island D. I am not sure they will hold the booking until just before the flight but the saving grace is that if you don't choose HK or Thai holidays and weekends, the flights shouldn't be full and snagging one seat at the spur of the moment should not be a problem. Flights are operated by the ex-JL B747-300s HS-UTW or -UTV; -UTN (-100/SR) is still operational but stays parked most of the time, according to the crew on my flight. Still, it's a fantastic experience - and not to be missed!
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:29 am

Quoting airpearl (Reply 24):

Hey Abrelosojos, just got off a flight on OX last Saturday! Booking is a big hassle: you can book directly by phone with OX but you need to have it manually ticketed in Bangkok or Hong Kong - they have a permanent ticketing desk at Suvarnabhumi in front of check in island D. I am not sure they will hold the booking until just before the flight but the saving grace is that if you don't choose HK or Thai holidays and weekends, the flights shouldn't be full and snagging one seat at the spur of the moment should not be a problem. Flights are operated by the ex-JL B747-300s HS-UTW or -UTV; -UTN (-100/SR) is still operational but stays parked most of the time, according to the crew on my flight. Still, it's a fantastic experience - and not to be missed!

= Most useful info airpearl. I have tried calling them several times and my whole "Phoot Thai Mai Dai" still doesn't get through  . If its the 743 in operation, I don't know if it is worth doing ... instead, I might do Air Mad's BKK-CAN flight  . BTW, I assume a TR is following?

Saludos,
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PS: Right now, I absolutely (again) "hate" CX ... what's up with FCL being removed on all their SIN-HKG flights?
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Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:22 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 25):
I have tried calling them several times and my whole "Phoot Thai Mai Dai" still doesn't get through

You called them during non-office hours maybe? I did get through to an English speaking agent but maybe it's her day off  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 25):
I might do Air Mad's BKK-CAN flight

This sounds like quite an interesting service too. Continuing your fifth-freedom series I see!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 25):
BTW, I assume a TR is following?

Haha... that's a definite possibility... but finding the time to write it is the problem

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 25):
what's up with FCL being removed on all their SIN-HKG flights?

That's not good. I thought CX had always maintained at least one flight/day with F. Surely there's enough premium traffic to justify that minimum at least. Considering that SQ flies both conventional F and A380 Suites into HKG, its a surprise why CX cannot keep at least one flight with F going.
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:02 am

Great report and very enjoyable pics!

And educational - I did not know this variant of the 747-100 existed!

Looking forward to more TRs from you...
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:10 am

Great report!
I thought the Orient Thai 747s were all 1 class.
How is one to go about getting a front row seat in the nose?
I may make the trip some time soon.
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Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:58 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 23):

Hi abrelosojos, very sorry I missed your request a few weeks ago, I havent looked in this forum at that time. Thanks to airpearl for responding.

Booking was also the biggest hassle when I flew on them, and I was just in transit so I had to ask a friend to collect and pay for the ticket for me.

Apparently they got two ex-UAL 747-400 delivered, so the time of the classics may be over soon, or at least restricted to wet-leases and Hajj ops.

According to a JAL employee they do no longer sell their aircraft to Thailand due to payment risks of Thai companies. I was hoping to see a JAL 747-400D on that route some time, but this may not materialise.

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 27):
I did not know this variant of the 747-100 existed

Only two built for JAL in 1986, so it is a rare type   .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
How is one to go about getting a front row seat in the nose?
I may make the trip some time soon.

No idea, I tried several times to pay extra and get an upper deck seat, but since the flights are never full they do not open that section any longer. If you look closely, you can see one person sitting in seat 1B on my cabin shots. No idea if he was an employee, but I would just continue to ask. As I mentioned, I only got my seat after requesting it, this section was previously closed.

I'd strongly recommend to do that trip, it is really a great please to fly the classics. I am just about to book a Transaero flight to BKK which is surprisingly still operated by a 747-200 this winter schedule, last chance  .

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Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:04 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 29):
If you look closely, you can see one person sitting in seat 1B on my cabin shots. No idea if he was an employee, but I would just continue to ask. As I mentioned, I only got my seat after requesting it, this section was previously closed.

Are those old style business class seats?
I'd want seat 1A or 1D.
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:43 am

Hi Loran,

as usual nice trip report.

Just one question: are you searching the most untypical airplanes or the very oldest aircrafts that are actually flying in the world? 

If you ever know that a Caravelle, Trident or Douglas DC8 will fly as scheduled flight again, just send me an e-mail.

Best regards,

Gerard
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:05 am

Excellent trip report on this very rare bird.
Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
 
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:45 pm

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 3):
This plane must be from the 1970s therefore at least 30 years old. Personally, I would not fly on such old equipment;

Not all that old, the 741 in question was built in 1986, as mentioned in the trip report. (I didn't know they were built that late)

I would never worry about a plane's age I would would be worried about who was flying and who was fixing it. There are 40 year old DL DC-9-40s still flying and they are not falling out of the sky. There have been a number of crashes in recent history that involved very modern planes with some questionable operators.

Very cool TR!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
In front of the landing gear I saw some liquid is leaking from the area near the air conditioning packs.

probably condensation.
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:56 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 33):
I would never worry about a plane's age I would would be worried about who was flying and who was fixing it. There are 40 year old DL DC-9-40s still flying and they are not falling out of the sky. There have been a number of crashes in recent history that involved very modern planes with some questionable operators.

  
There is good reason to be more concerened about flying on a 737-800 or A320 than on a 747-100.
I'd also be concerned about flying on a CRJ by a pilot earning close to minimum wage and only has about 4 hours of sleep.
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RE: 747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG

Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:12 am

Supremely knowledgable and informative trip report, made fantastic reading !!

Many thanks for taking the time to post all the gen including all the pics of those magestic JT9s !!!

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