Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:15 am

Feedback always appreciated.




I > Background:
Like a lot of others, I have a desire to see the world. Going off the beaten path and meeting diverse people truly inspire me and gives me that silly smile that the world is indeed a beautiful place. I have been truly fortunate in life, grateful for what I have, and hopeful for the future. With this in mind, I decided to finally make a dream come true and visit São Tomé and Príncipe (STP).

For those of you know have not heard of STP, it is a small island country located around 250 kms away from the northwest coast of Gabon in Africa. With a population of 163,000 people, this former Portuguese colony, is the least populated country in the world that is not just an overseas territory, trusteeship, or European microstate. Check the location here:

Besides checking out this country and meeting the people, an added bonus would be to cross the line of Equator. Of the 14 countries this imaginary line crosses (and I have done 7), this would probably be the hardest - a remote country, and then the line being in a remote island of Ilhéu das Rolas off this remote country.

Finally, there are only 4 airlines connecting STP to the outside world. TAP with a twice-weekly service to Lisboa, TAAG with a twice-weekly service to Luanda (one of them goes on to Praia), and a connection by CEIBA International to Libreville. There are some fly-by-night operators like Gabon Airways that provide inconsistent service as well. Of course for me, it was a no-brainer ... I had to fly the "national airline" STP Airways with its solitary flight to Lisboa.

Unless I am wrong (pretty often), this would be the first trip report from STP, and feature STP Airways operated by Euro Atlantic Airways.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
STP Airways is the flag carrier of STP. Banned by the EU, it does a damp/wet lease from Euro Atlantic Airways which provides a 757 to operate a weekly rotation to connect STP with Lisboa. In the past, the service has also been extended to Luanda.

Surprisingly for an airline of this small size, STP Airways has a website (www.stpairways.st) and even more shocking is that the airline has a fully integrated credit card booking mechanism. All in all, I was super impressed - true, I could not book my seat, but that in this instance is a minor difficulty.

b) At Airport:
Lisboa is one of my favorite European cities and after spending two good days roaming the streets of Alfama and some heavy partying at Lux, it was time to embark on my African adventure. Even my Portuguese friends were surprised and shook their heads - they have friends go to other parts of the former Portuguese empire - but STP remained an enigma to them as well.

Lisboa's Portela Airport had come a long way, and had increasingly become a very pleasant experience. Moreover, the near midnight departure of this flight meant that the area was deserted with only 5 flights - 4 of them going to former Portuguese colonies.

As I entered the airport, a great sense of adventure dawned on someone who takes planes more than bus journeys. I knew I was going to a special place, and the sense of adventure overcame me as I stood in line watching the very African line snake its way all across the terminal. I was there 3 hours prior to departure, and already, the line was L-O-N-G. I did not mind as I started taking in the scene of the Portuguese who still live in STP and the natives going back home - each passenger had over 2-3 bags and the entire area had a feeling of a big family reunion.

When I got to the agent, she was a little surprised to see my Liechtenstein passport wondering "WTF" was I doing there. Her bigger surprise came when I said I had no bag to check. She literally kept on saying, "no no ... check bag please" ... and I kept on saying "no no ... no checked bag". The amused supervisor then came over to see if there was a problem and the kind man (a ethnic Sao Tomean) and I started chatting about the purpose of my visit. We traded "war stories" of airline operations and the interesting chap started telling me of all the random Euro Atlantic charters including the 757 flights to Australia and their pit stop in Bali. The whole conversation recaptured the romantic era of flying. After my boarding pass was issued, I let him get back to his job and started my walk to security. As I was leaving the counter, he came running and presented me with a souvenir of STP Airways - a nice pen! WOW! It was touching gesture and I thanked him profusely.

Security and immigration were a breeze at the empty airport and I was soon at the boarding gate. Flight was delayed by 75 minutes due to a technical problem and I watched as the boarding gate soon became an area for people to sleep in. When boarding was called in, everyone jumped and we were all herded on to a bus and to our aircraft parked on a remote part of the airport. I smiled - it was midnight, there were plenty empty direct access gates, but as we were taking this "exotic" flight, we had to go to an exotic part of the airport.

Both doors were open and I entered through the aft cabin. My pre-assigned exit row seat had generous legroom, but I moved to a front part of the cabin to take an entire row of 757 seats. Y load was around 60%, J load was around 80%.

Airport - External:

(Lisboa Airport)

*


Check-in:

(8F Check-In Area - look at the queues)


Airport - Internal:


*

*

(FIDS)


(Post Security @ LIS)



Scenes of the tarmac:



Lounge: NONE



Boarding:


(Gate Area)


(Boarding)


(Bus)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
After take-off, following service and order: headphones, meal service, duty free, and then a small snack just prior to arrival.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
Euro Atlantic Airways 757-200 show their age. While the inside is well maintained, there is an overall sense of dinginess that exists throughout the cabin. The old-school lighting further "enhances" this feeling. While clean, the bathrooms also had this "old aircraft" vibe. The seats themselves are actually quite smart looking, and typical of your average economy class seating. Both pitch and recline were far from generous, and in line with most other charter companies. One thing that was positively surprising was the amount of duality in the various touchpoints - with logos of both STP Airways and Euro Atlantic present - even including a dual-toned in-flight magazine. Impressive because this is a weekly flight for Euro Atlantic.

Aircraft:
(Euro Atlantic - STP Airways Dual Branded 752 @ LIS)


(@ TMS)


Views from Aircraft:

(World Airways)


General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

(Seat)

*

*
(Legroom)


Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Poor recline)

*


Cabin:


*


(Blanket ++)

*


(Bathroom)

c) Meal + Beverage:
Meal service commenced soon after take-off and had consisted of an "interesting" medley of pasta, chicken, and mushrooms. It was a very mediocre meal, and I was actually surprised I was being given food at 0200. The salad and the dessert was also very standard with what an economy class offering in the 1980s would be - together with the aircraft environment, I actually felt I was in the 1980s. Wine choice was surprisingly nice, and I did enjoy the several drink runs.

Prior to landing, we were offered a snack consisting of various snack bars.

(Dinner)

*
(pre-Landing snack)


d) Inflight Entertainment:
Old styled IFE screen showed a movie with complimentary headphones. Positively surprising inclusion of dual toned in flight magazine of both STP and Euro Atlantic - sort of how some airlines have dual toned languages in their in flight magazine. I had never seen anything like that before.

(IFE Screen and Control)

*

*


(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.)
(Note the awesome dual-themed magazine on the right, and the other on the left - pretty impressive for an airline with 1 flight a week)

*


e) Crew:
An interesting arrangement of the onboard crew meant that Business Class passengers were served by crew from STP Airways, while the crew in Economy Class were from Euro Atlantic. The crew were very nice. They welcomed me onboard with a smile, served food with a smile, and did drink runs throughout the flight. When I had missed the morning snack bar, I went to grab one, and a young girl told me what her favorite was and insisted I have a few. Small gestures like these are always memorable and enhanced a great flight.

IV> Post-Flight:
After a quick 5 hours or so, we approached São Tomé, and my excitement only grew as I saw land. I could only imagine what the Portuguese explorers may have felt while landing on these shores. The landing itself was one of the most memorable ones I have encountered. We landed in the middle of a jungle in the most unsecure runway with various kids all coming to the plane as we were touching down. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen - there were kids on the actual live runway!

The "fun" continued as we disembarked and went to the arrivals building. It was locked (now, I had seen this a few times - mostly in Latin America), but usually after waiting, someone usually opens it up. In this case, this was not the case, and a group of people start banging on the various doors. I started taking photos of the 757 looking beautiful in the dawn light - but got yelled at by the security man who wanted to delete the photo. Pretending dumb and saying "no understand ... no understand", I just kept walking to where the local crowd was heading to. In minutes, a door marked "VIP" was forcibly opened, and we walked into the clear VIP room - full with a VIP bar and very African faux leather couches. The locals harassed the poor security guy and then an official looking person came in and everyone was quiet. He asked foreigners to go on one side, and locals on other side. Even the white foreigners were all STP residents. I was the only person on a "tourist visa", and the official carefully took all my notes down on the bar area of the VIP room. After 10 minutes, he handed me my passport. And just like that, I was officially and legally in STP. Welcome to São Tomé I thought as I went outside after the weirdest arrival procedure I had ever encountered.

Oh, and I managed to sneak in some blurry pictures with my mobile phone camera ...

(Arrival @ TMS - approaching the island)

*
(Aircraft on arrival)

*
(Africa Connection Dornier)

*
(Other aircraft)

*
(Kids running to live runway)

*
(Other visitors as we taxi-in)

*
(TMS Airport)

*
(Arrivals is closed)

*
(Filling immigration work at VIP lounge)


V> Impressions + Scores:
The point of flying to STP and trying STP Airways branded Euro Atlantic was never to see how it stacks with "real" airlines of the world, or even in Africa. I flew STP Airways to STP to fulfill my ongoing love affair of flying to relatively obscure places of the world.

It was thus an added bonus that overall service level on the airline was more than adequate. The highlight of course was the staff - excellent ground personnel at LIS and some really jovial crew onboard enhanced my experience. On board, the meal and seat were average. The old-school IFE was also passable - after all "real" airlines also are able to provide similar products on similar stage lengths. The in-flight magazine was a nice bonus!

Overall, a thumps up! I would fly STP Airways/Euro Atlantic in a heartbeat - it provides a far more interesting alternative to TAP. And if you want to go explore an forgotten part of the world, why not go all the way and experience something difficult along the way? I would fly them again for sure!



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
9.27: JET AIRWAYS **FIRST** (110): LHR-BOM: 10/2010
9.27: THAI AIRWAYS **FIRST** (108): BKK-LHR: 07/2010
8.66: Brussels Airlines (93): FIH-BRU: 01/2010
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.63: Jet Airways (88): JFK-BRU: 10/2009
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.36: Kingfisher (98): BOM-HKG: 01/2010
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.82: UNITED AIRLINES **FIRST** (110): SFO-ICN: 10/2010
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.66: Sri Lankan (104): DEL-CMB: 07/2010
7.64: Royal Jordanian (91): AMM-YUL: 12/2009
7.61: China Southern (103): LOS-DXB: 04/2010
7.57: Pakistan Airlines (102): ORD-BCN: 06/2010
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.38: AMERICAN AIRLINES **FIRST** (112): LHR-JFK: 10/2010
7.38: CATHAY PACIFIC **FIRST** (109): HKG-LHR: 10/2010
7.25: Iran Air (88): BOM-IKA: 12/2009
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Aer Lingus (105): MAD-IAD: 05/2010
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.82: Air Burkina (106): BKO-OUA: 06/2010
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.75: Afriqiyah + Libyan (113): CAI-TIP: 11/2010
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.52: Emirates (99): LHR-DXB: 02/2010
6.39: South African (97): EZE-JNB: 01/2010
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.29: TAM Brasil (96): POA-EZE: 02/2010
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.21: Iberia (87): BOS-MAD: 10/2009
6.11: A SKY (107): OUA-COO: 06/2010
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.88: African Express (89): DXB-NBO: 11/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: SATA Azores (101): BOS-PDL: 04/2010
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.54: Ethiopian Airlines (95): ADD-BOM: 01/2010
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.11: Tunisair (115): TUN-ORY: 12/2010
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
7.00: LAN (94): IPC-SCL: 01/2010
6.81: STP Airways/Euro Atlantic (116): LIS-TMS: 12/2010
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.98: Air Koryo (100): PEK-FNJ: 04/2010
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.52: Sevenair (114): TOE-TUN: 11/2010
5.37: Felix Airways (92): SCT-SAH: 12/2009
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Enjoy these beautiful pictures of this incredible country, and let me know what you think)
(Banana Beach in Principe)

*
(Had to take a car, a bus, and then a boat to get to the island where the Equator crosses)

*
(Picture of the island and the boat man)

*

*
(Other pictures of São Tomé)

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*

*
(And my favorite picture, that captured the essence of my trip, and the country)


[Edited 2011-07-10 18:19:39]
Live, and let live.
 
jetblue777
Posts: 1204
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:13 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:45 am

WOW! What a great trip report, as usual!

It's always great to see these kind of TRs from airlines and airports we don't here very often. It's also surprising that your flight was a decent one and the meal looked great.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Enjoy these beautiful pictures of this incredible country, and let me know what you think)
(Banana Beach in Principe)

It looks stunning!


JetBlue777
It's a cultural thing.
 
BrusselsSouth
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:12 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:57 am

Hi Abrelosojos,

Most interesting report, once again. Congrats for making your dream come true, Sao Tome certainly is an off the beaten path place.

It seems the EuroAtlantic 757 was rather below average, but that was compensated by a motivated crew. I'm a bit surprised to read about your arrival at TMS, with the locked building. I mean, the arrival of the LIS flight must be THE event at that airport (I understand that in addition to the flight you were on, TAP Portugal also operates a weekly flight to TMS).

This, with the kids so close to the runway must give the weird feeling that you've just landed in a special place.

Thanks also for sharing those non-av pics. Some depict beautiful places while other show some rather decayed or old fashioned things, but they all give a sense of a unique, less known place.

Thanks for an(other) enjoyable report.

Regards
BrusselsSouth
 
Widebodyroga
Posts: 609
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:35 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:09 am

Wow. Every time I read a report of yours I think that it would be impossible to outdo yourself on the next one. You prove me wrong pretty much every time. I never expected to see a TR from STP. Glad you enjoyed the trip. The photos are breath-taking. Thumps up.

PS: In the 7th photo of the "Other Photos", what is that huge boulder-looking thing in the distance?


WideBodyroga
Visit my aviation page: http://widebodyroga.weebly.com/
 
okapi
Posts: 162
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:15 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:21 am

Wow! Triple Wow! and welcome back. I was starting wondering to what funky place you ventured to. Your outstanding TR is the answer. Such a nice experience. And that coffee with pasteis (is it called this way?) was definitely worth the trip. So, what about your outbound flight? Hope you share it with us soon.

Obrigado!

PS. BTW, the eighties were just so fine. No silly security procedures at airport and those 757's look so modern then...
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:18 am

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 1):
WOW! What a great trip report, as usual!

= Thanks mate.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 1):
It's also surprising that your flight was a decent one and the meal looked great.

= Ya. The flight definitely was a pleasant surprise, with some fantastic crew.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 1):

It looks stunning!

= It was!

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):

Most interesting report, once again. Congrats for making your dream come true, Sao Tome certainly is an off the beaten path place.

= Thank you.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):
It seems the EuroAtlantic 757 was rather below average, but that was compensated by a motivated crew. I'm a bit surprised to read about your arrival at TMS, with the locked building. I mean, the arrival of the LIS flight must be THE event at that airport (I understand that in addition to the flight you were on, TAP Portugal also operates a weekly flight to TMS).

= You know. I thought of it exactly as well. But then again, some African countries are great travel destinations just for this reason ... expect the unexpectedness.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):

This, with the kids so close to the runway must give the weird feeling that you've just landed in a special place.

= It was surreal. I was actually worried because the kids were in an active runway as the plane was landing.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):

Thanks also for sharing those non-av pics. Some depict beautiful places while other show some rather decayed or old fashioned things, but they all give a sense of a unique, less known place.

= There was a certain amount of charm that no new buildings could ever capture.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):
Wow. Every time I read a report of yours I think that it would be impossible to outdo yourself on the next one. You prove me wrong pretty much every time. I never expected to see a TR from STP. Glad you enjoyed the trip. The photos are breath-taking. Thumps up.

= Haha. Thanks mate! It will be hard to beat this.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 3):

PS: In the 7th photo of the "Other Photos", what is that huge boulder-looking thing in the distance?

= No one knew for sure. I just felt the whole place had an eerie "Lost" (TV Show) feeling to it - the rock seemed to have "mystical" properties. Creepy. Don't you agree?

Quoting okapi (Reply 4):
Wow! Triple Wow! and welcome back. I was starting wondering to what funky place you ventured to. Your outstanding TR is the answer. Such a nice experience. And that coffee with pasteis (is it called this way?) was definitely worth the trip. So, what about your outbound flight? Hope you share it with us soon.

= Thanks Okapi. I have been on client site a lot with strict confidentiality issues to access A.Net. Hence, the change of access. Thanks for the kind words. Ya, pasteis - best is from Belem in Lisboa. My outbound flight would be the topic of the next report. Though, it is not a return flight. Don't you think that would be too not A-Net  ?

Quoting okapi (Reply 4):
PS. BTW, the eighties were just so fine. No silly security procedures at airport and those 757's look so modern then...

= Agreed.

Thanks all,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
colts001
Posts: 27
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:12 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:27 am

An amazing trip report. This whole country has a 80's feel to it.
 
wheretonext
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:32 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:56 am

Thanks for the trip report! I hadn't realized Euro Atlantic had been using their metal on trips to TMS... then again, Euro Atlantic has always been an enigma to me for some reason. This has piqued my interest to do some further research. Thanks for shedding some light on this operation.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(And my favorite picture, that captured the essence of my trip, and the country)

My favorite part about going to anywhere in the Portuguese empire is getting to eat the ubiquitous pastéis de nata. I recently was in Macau and indulged myself for the duration of my stay  

Thanks!

-Matt
Next Adventure: TBD
 
Burj
Posts: 747
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:46 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:02 am

Wow very cool! I am so glad you do these TR's so we can all go on your adventures with you!
 
kiramakora
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:00 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:04 am

Brilliant TR Alex. I just must congratulate you on your adventures. No one on the A.Net take these risks continuously and go off the beaten path like you do. Really. Even the professional photographers can learn from you.

Sao Tome looks brilliant. I look forward to the next one!
 
MSS658
Posts: 2453
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:16 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:11 am

Another wonderfull trip report, I loved reading it. Always nice to see an exotic flight/destination.
Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
 
gabrielchew
Posts: 3819
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:43 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:59 am

Wow, you're photos of STP look amazing. Some beauitful beaches there! Seems like your flight on 'STP Airlines' was good.
http://my.flightmemory.com/shefgab Upcoming flights: AMS-RIX-BUD-VDA,ETH-TLV-FCO-LHR,STN-TXL-LCY,LTN-CPH-LTN,LGW-SZG,MUC-LHR
 
LH4116
Posts: 1183
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:39 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:08 pm

Fantastic report Alex, great job!

I had never thought of STP being the least populated country on earth, I had always imagined the Pitcairns Islands being the least populated country on earth with only 50 inhabitants. Then again it could be as you say, an overseas territory.

Seems like you had a very nice experience with the staff at LIS. When I was there last year, people were very rude, at least the security guys. The terminal looked pretty okay, although I'm not a fan of the mosaic on the wall. Also in some places, it looks pretty sterile.

Interesting that you got to fly a charter 757 to STP. Seats looked pretty okay, although you're right about the 80s feel. Those striped upholsters looked very much like remnants from the 1980s, also the yellow'ish fluorescent lights in the cabin helped adding that feel. Food looked rather decent, did they offer any free alcohol?

Thanks for sharing, and I hope to see some more reports from you!
//Jonas
SAS Plus is Business Class made faux!
 
PlaneHunter
Posts: 6538
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:17 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:29 pm

Great report Alex, you never cease to surprise us with your choice of airlines and destinations. And I really liked the destination pictures, simply beautiful!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Euro Atlantic Airways 757-200 show their age.

The one and only 757 in the fleet is a veteran from 1988.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

These could be former TUIfly seats...I guess there were many of them available after X3's 73G fleet was transferred to AB.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I started taking photos of the 757 looking beautiful in the dawn light - but got yelled at by the security man who wanted to delete the photo. Pretending dumb and saying "no understand ... no understand", I just kept walking to where the local crowd was heading to.

Ah, the usual nonsense. I'm wondering where that picture paranoia comes from.


PH
Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
 
SloAir
Posts: 322
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:15 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:01 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 1):
WOW!

JetBlue777 took that word right from my mouth. WOW, what a great report on a unusual destination. This is why I love this forum so much, you get to read about excotic places and airlines I would never even hear about otherwise.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Like a lot of others, I have a desire to see the world. Going off the beaten path and meeting diverse people truly inspire me and gives me that silly smile that the world is indeed a beautiful place. I have been truly fortunate in life, grateful for what I have, and hopeful for the future. With this in mind, I decided to finally make a dream come true and visit São Tomé and Príncipe (STP).

Great introduction and great attitude.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
As I was leaving the counter, he came running and presented me with a souvenir of STP Airways - a nice pen! WOW!

This kind of thing really make a journey more memorable.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The landing itself was one of the most memorable ones I have encountered. We landed in the middle of a jungle in the most unsecure runway with various kids all coming to the plane as we were touching down. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen - there were kids on the actual live runway!

Amazing. A good spotting position  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Enjoy these beautiful pictures of this incredible country, and let me know what you think

Beautiful pictures. Just stunning.

Thank you for this trip report, it is always great to get some coverage of Africa.

Blaž
Visit Ljubljana
 
KLAM
Posts: 226
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:31 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:15 pm

VERY NICE TRIP REPORT! It's always a pleasure to read your stuff, you go to many interesting places!! Thanks for showing it! 
flyOM
 
globalflyer
Posts: 852
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:15 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:33 pm

Hi Alex. It is great to see some more of your exotic adventures! This place looks beautiful! The beaches and lush of the island are extraordinary! Thanks so much for sharing! Quite a unique experience! Cheers, William
Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
 
MHTripple7
Posts: 591
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:17 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:18 pm

Thank you! As you may know, I do take an interest in these ex-Portuguese colonies, so I too have an interest in Sao Tome & Principe. Was it difficult obtaining a visa? Wondering if it's anything similar to Angola...

Your pics of STP are excellent, and it does look like a nice place to visit. Where did you stay if you don't mind me asking. Is it tourist-friendly?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
STP Airways is the flag carrier of STP. Banned by the EU, it does a damp/wet lease from Euro Atlantic Airways which provides a 757 to operate a weekly rotation to connect STP with Lisboa. In the past, the service has also been extended to Luanda.

Very strange that an airline operates only two flights a week!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Lisboa's Portela Airport had come a long way, and had increasingly become a very pleasant experience.

I agree, LIS was actually quite nice the last time I passed through. There's just a lot of walking.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Note the awesome dual-themed magazine on the right, and the other on the left - pretty impressive for an airline with 1 flight a week)

Despite their various weaknesses, these Lusophone African airlines are all extremely thorough on branding. It's very interesting.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The landing itself was one of the most memorable ones I have encountered. We landed in the middle of a jungle in the most unsecure runway with various kids all coming to the plane as we were touching down. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen - there were kids on the actual live runway!

Wow that is weird indeed. Not sure if I should think it's funny or if it's a security / safety hazard.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The "fun" continued as we disembarked and went to the arrivals building.

That's hilarious yet somehow unsurprising.

[Edited 2011-07-11 10:25:06]
 
PieterBoth
Posts: 139
Joined: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:49 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:18 pm

Wow wow wow! I have long been obsessed with remnants of Portugal's colonial past - ur report made for an awesome read! Sao Tome looks every bit as stunning as I thought it would. How did you get around when u were there on the islands? I'd love to go there one day. This summer I go to some other Lusophone Atlantic islands, the Azores, and I'll hopefully do a TR  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
With a population of 163,000 people, this former Portuguese colony, is the least populated country in the world that is not just an overseas territory, trusteeship, or European microstate.

This will sound really pedantic (sorry !) but there are quite a few smaller countries in the world by population. I think the smallest is Tuvalu, popn 10,000

Thanks again for the great TR !
 
NDiesel
Posts: 148
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:58 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:02 pm

Awesome - been waiting eagerly for a new copy of your excellent reports!
Sao Tome is definitely on the list from now on.

Thanks!
Delta MD-11 JFK-CDG - Upon sunrise I fell in love with aviation
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting colts001 (Reply 6):
An amazing trip report. This whole country has a 80's feel to it.

= Agreed  .

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 7):
Thanks for the trip report! I hadn't realized Euro Atlantic had been using their metal on trips to TMS... then again, Euro Atlantic has always been an enigma to me for some reason. This has piqued my interest to do some further research. Thanks for shedding some light on this operation.

= Curios - why the interest in Euro Atlantic? I do agree though - it does have an interesting pedigree. Sort of reminds me of a few other such airlines.

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 7):
My favorite part about going to anywhere in the Portuguese empire is getting to eat the ubiquitous pastéis de nata. I recently was in Macau and indulged myself for the duration of my stay

Agreed. Best still though is Pastéis de Belém in Lisboa. Have you been?

Quoting Burj (Reply 8):
Wow very cool! I am so glad you do these TR's so we can all go on your adventures with you!

= Thanks Burj. I try.

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 9):
Brilliant TR Alex. I just must congratulate you on your adventures. No one on the A.Net take these risks continuously and go off the beaten path like you do. Really. Even the professional photographers can learn from you.

= Thanks A. Don't be so modest - you were the inspiration!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 10):
Another wonderfull trip report, I loved reading it. Always nice to see an exotic flight/destination.

= Thanks mate.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
Wow, you're photos of STP look amazing. Some beauitful beaches there! Seems like your flight on 'STP Airlines' was good.

= Thanks. Ya, great beaches for sure. I read that the Banana beach was in some famous commercial. I have not been able to locate it however on any commercial.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12):
Seems like you had a very nice experience with the staff at LIS. When I was there last year, people were very rude, at least the security guys. The terminal looked pretty okay, although I'm not a fan of the mosaic on the wall. Also in some places, it looks pretty sterile.

= What happened? Why were they rude? Who were you flying?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12):

Interesting that you got to fly a charter 757 to STP. Seats looked pretty okay, although you're right about the 80s feel. Those striped upholsters looked very much like remnants from the 1980s, also the yellow'ish fluorescent lights in the cabin helped adding that feel. Food looked rather decent, did they offer any free alcohol?

= Agreed.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Great report Alex, you never cease to surprise us with your choice of airlines and destinations. And I really liked the destination pictures, simply beautiful!

= Thanks PH.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):

The one and only 757 in the fleet is a veteran from 1988.

= PH, where does this aircraft come from?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
These could be former TUIfly seats...I guess there were many of them available after X3's 73G fleet was transferred to AB.

= You know ... I was trying to figure out where the seats came from.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):

Ah, the usual nonsense. I'm wondering where that picture paranoia comes from.

= It is all over Africa - part because of the non democratic spy atmosphere, and some with the culture of your soul being "captured" in the camera.

Quoting SloAir (Reply 14):

JetBlue777 took that word right from my mouth. WOW, what a great report on a unusual destination. This is why I love this forum so much, you get to read about excotic places and airlines I would never even hear about otherwise.

= Thanks Blaž,

Quoting SloAir (Reply 14):
Beautiful pictures. Just stunning.

Thank you for this trip report, it is always great to get some coverage of Africa.


= I have some others from Africa coming up. Why do you have an interest in the region?

Quoting KLAM (Reply 15):
VERY NICE TRIP REPORT! It's always a pleasure to read your stuff, you go to many interesting places!! Thanks for showing it!

= Thanks a lot.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 16):
Hi Alex. It is great to see some more of your exotic adventures! This place looks beautiful! The beaches and lush of the island are extraordinary! Thanks so much for sharing! Quite a unique experience! Cheers, William

Thanks William.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):
Thank you! As you may know, I do take an interest in these ex-Portuguese colonies, so I too have an interest in Sao Tome & Principe. Was it difficult obtaining a visa? Wondering if it's anything similar to Angola...

= I did not know you had an interest in Lussophone countries. You should meet my friend and fellow A-Netter "kiramakora". He knows them well. Where does the interest come from?

Visa was HARD to get. You're in the U.S. right?

BUT TOTALLY WORTH IT! I really recommend an adventure seeker like you visit.

Oh, and the visa is nothing like Angola - it is just that there are very FEW STP Embassies out there.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):
Your pics of STP are excellent, and it does look like a nice place to visit. Where did you stay if you don't mind me asking. Is it tourist-friendly?

= Stayed at some pousada - it is NOT tourist-friendly at all. But, that was the charm for me. There is two 4-ish star hotels in the entire country ... but you're young, so just do it man.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):

Very strange that an airline operates only two flights a week!

= Ya - well, 1 flight a week now roundtrip.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Lisboa's Portela Airport had come a long way, and had increasingly become a very pleasant experience.

I agree, LIS was actually quite nice the last time I passed through. There's just a lot of walking.

= Agreed ... especially if you are flying outside Schengen ya?

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):

Despite their various weaknesses, these Lusophone African airlines are all extremely thorough on branding. It's very interesting.

= You know what - you're so right!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The landing itself was one of the most memorable ones I have encountered. We landed in the middle of a jungle in the most unsecure runway with various kids all coming to the plane as we were touching down. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen - there were kids on the actual live runway!

Wow that is weird indeed. Not sure if I should think it's funny or if it's a security / safety hazard.

= It was weird, surreal, and definitely a hazard.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 17):

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The "fun" continued as we disembarked and went to the arrivals building.

That's hilarious yet somehow unsurprising.

= Though, nothing like LAD. I could write a book on Luanda.

Quoting PieterBoth (Reply 18):
Wow wow wow! I have long been obsessed with remnants of Portugal's colonial past - ur report made for an awesome read! Sao Tome looks every bit as stunning as I thought it would. How did you get around when u were there on the islands? I'd love to go there one day. This summer I go to some other Lusophone Atlantic islands, the Azores, and I'll hopefully do a TR

= Azores is beautiful. Check my report on SATA. Let me know if you need any advice.

Quoting PieterBoth (Reply 18):
This will sound really pedantic (sorry !) but there are quite a few smaller countries in the world by population. I think the smallest is Tuvalu, popn 10,000

= Oh ya. Forgot Tuvalu ... pretty sad because I returned from FUN a few months back.

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 19):
Awesome - been waiting eagerly for a new copy of your excellent reports!
Sao Tome is definitely on the list from now on.

Thanks!

= Good. You won't regret it.

Thanks a lot for reading, and for your feedback. As always, much appreciated.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
reifel
Posts: 1540
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:53 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:23 pm

Wow, Alex, what a terrific report! I heard of STP before, but never actually seen any pictures. This island is sooooo beautiful. Is it a safe place? However I never heard about STP airlines, so this was very interesting. Thank you very much for sharing, looking forward to the next great report.
 
usflyer msp
Posts: 3988
Joined: Tue May 23, 2000 11:50 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:50 pm

Great report, I love it! I thought about visiting TMS on my trip to Africa next year but the logistics of getting there from ACC proved to be too difficult and time consuming so I decided to go to OXB instead. Now, I can visit there vicariously through you, it looks just as beautiful as I imagined. I am glad you had a great time!
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1689
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:33 am

Thanks for the report. You said that you were going somewhere exotic, and seems you're true to your word. I particularly like the photos at the end - such great colour.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
dual-themed magazine

Very rare - only ever come across that once I believe. I flew TravelCityDirect which if I recall correctly had a magazine which was half about that "brand" and half about Excel Airways, who were the owner/operator of the TCD aircraft anyway.

Nice to see you still managed to get an F-class experience anyway, even in Y, with the "econo-suite" 3-abreast bed!  

Finally, I would have freaked out seeing the kids running that close to the aircraft. Still, that's what memories are made of.

Cool report - thanks again.

Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
alsberg
Posts: 122
Joined: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:44 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:56 am

Thank you for such a great trip report!
What an amazing country, the pictures of it looked absolutely beautiful. I found it quite funny to hear that the flight attendants in J are from Euro Atlantic while the Y flight attendants are from STP.
 
wheretonext
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:32 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:29 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= Curios - why the interest in Euro Atlantic? I do agree though - it does have an interesting pedigree. Sort of reminds me of a few other such airlines.

Euro Atlantic just seems to me that they fly under the radar (pardon the pun) as a European charter carrier. They've created a nice niche for themselves by providing service to airlines banned from EU airspace such as STP Airways and Biman Bangladesh (perhaps I'm missing more?).

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
Agreed. Best still though is Pastéis de Belém in Lisboa. Have you been?

I kid you not, the last time I was in Lisboa, that was the first place I went. Theirs are still the best in my book!

-Matt
Next Adventure: TBD
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 21):
Wow, Alex, what a terrific report! I heard of STP before, but never actually seen any pictures. This island is sooooo beautiful. Is it a safe place? However I never heard about STP airlines, so this was very interesting. Thank you very much for sharing, looking forward to the next great report.

= The island is completely safe. Between their communist past, and general isolation, I think they take time to warm to foreigners, but otherwise, totally safe.

I had not heard about STP Airways until I started researching - what continues to impress is their website and fully functional e-ticketing facility.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 22):
Great report, I love it! I thought about visiting TMS on my trip to Africa next year but the logistics of getting there from ACC proved to be too difficult and time consuming so I decided to go to OXB instead. Now, I can visit there vicariously through you, it looks just as beautiful as I imagined. I am glad you had a great time!

= Where you working in ACC? You know what's funny - well, two things: first, my original idea was to fly on DT which used to fly RAI-ACC-TMS-LAD. However, they stopped that flight. The other funny thing is that I am supposed to go to vacation in OXB this year. What did you think? How did you get the visa? And, how was Bissau? I have heard good things.

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 23):
Thanks for the report. You said that you were going somewhere exotic, and seems you're true to your word. I particularly like the photos at the end - such great colour.

= Mark, I try to not disappoint you  .

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 23):
Very rare - only ever come across that once I believe. I flew TravelCityDirect which if I recall correctly had a magazine which was half about that "brand" and half about Excel Airways, who were the owner/operator of the TCD aircraft anyway.

= WOW! That is cool. Where were you flying between? When was it?

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 23):
Finally, I would have freaked out seeing the kids running that close to the aircraft. Still, that's what memories are made of.

= Surreal indeed.

Quoting alsberg (Reply 24):
Thank you for such a great trip report!
What an amazing country, the pictures of it looked absolutely beautiful. I found it quite funny to hear that the flight attendants in J are from Euro Atlantic while the Y flight attendants are from STP.

= It was the other way round - YCL served by Euro Atlantic, and JCL served by STP. JCL had lots of business/government folks from the island, so perhaps that is why?

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 25):

Euro Atlantic just seems to me that they fly under the radar (pardon the pun) as a European charter carrier. They've created a nice niche for themselves by providing service to airlines banned from EU airspace such as STP Airways and Biman Bangladesh (perhaps I'm missing more?).

= I totally forgot they fly for BG. Didn't they fly for Garuda as well?

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 25):
I kid you not, the last time I was in Lisboa, that was the first place I went. Theirs are still the best in my book!

= Matt, completely agreed! I actually was in Lisboa for a friend's birthday earlier a few months back and went there twice. They now even have a take-out counter which I don't recall being there in the past.

Thanks again for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
User avatar
eastafspot
Posts: 1767
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:19 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:50 pm

Hi, Alex

Your African serie continues pretty well indeed. As the other fellow A.netters stated this wonderful TR enlightens another unknown side of this planet. Every time you are, even farther, breaking boundaries of travelling. Truly beautiful as i was eagerly waiting for this, and become really addicted to your TRs.

Since you've stepped in F, quiet few times, it was surprising to see you back on the rear of the cabin, but for sure according to the picture you've secured rather quickly a comfortable "couch" on an overnight flight...well done!   
.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I flew STP Airways to STP to fulfill my ongoing love affair of flying to relatively obscure places of the world.

Why don't you create a new category? those which cannot appear on Skytrax for any reason whatsoever...


Many thanks for sharing

Léo

[Edited 2011-07-12 11:14:55]
Fly with Air Burundi, Air Tanzania, Golden Wings Aviation, Kenya Airways, RwandAir and Uganda Airlines...Jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki !
 
ba319-131
Posts: 8317
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 1:27 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:56 pm

Hi Alex,

Good read, something diffent for sure!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Unless I am wrong (pretty often), this would be the first trip report from STP

- Never heard of them!

I had the pleasure? of flying one of their 757's as a sub on BA services during the strikes, the Euro Atlantic crew were hardly friendly and the plane as you say, was straight out of the 80's, that mor than made up for the crew.

Nice pix of the city/country, looks quite nice.

Cheers

Mark
111 732 733 734 735 736 73G 738 739,7M8 BBJ 741 742 743 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 77L 773 77W L15 D10 D30 D40 AB3 AB6 312 313 318 319 320 20N 321 21N 332 333 342 343 345 346 359 351 388 CS1 CS3 I86 154 SSJ CRJ CR7 CR9 CRK 145 170 175 220
 
717Flyer
Posts: 301
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:41 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:41 pm

Hi Alex,

Thank you very much for sharing this interesting report with us. It was interesting to hear about what Euro Atlantic was like onboard - I had only heard about them once before, that time when they were operating for BA during the cabin crew strike.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Business Class passengers were served by crew from STP Airways, while the crew in Economy Class were from Euro Atlantic.

Surely a very interesting arrangement!

I enjoyed your report and it was specially nice to read about you meeting different people - that gives a true insight in the travels. Stunning pictures from STP. I am also very grateful for the geography lesson - now I have discovered yet a new spot!

Bye,
717Flyer
 
swedenflyer
Posts: 58
Joined: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:07 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:57 pm

Hi, Alex! I enjoyed reading about São Tome and Principe. It is not a country we hear about often, and I enjoy reading reports about those countries.

[Edited 2011-07-12 14:18:47]
FlyingFinn76, abrelosojos
 
wheretonext
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:32 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:32 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 26):
= I totally forgot they fly for BG. Didn't they fly for Garuda as well?

Doing a simple search, I can't confirm this but I believe you're right... if the depths of my memory serve me right.

-Matt
Next Adventure: TBD
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:02 am

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 27):
Your African serie continues pretty well indeed. As the other fellow A.netters stated this wonderful TR enlightens another unknown side of this planet. Every time you are, even farther, breaking boundaries of travelling. Truly beautiful as i was eagerly waiting for this, and become really addicted to your TRs.

= Léo, you're way too kind!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 28):
I had the pleasure? of flying one of their 757's as a sub on BA services during the strikes, the Euro Atlantic crew were hardly friendly and the plane as you say, was straight out of the 80's, that mor than made up for the crew.

= Wow. That bad huh? Were the crew mostly Portuguese Mark?

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 29):
I had only heard about them once before, that time when they were operating for BA during the cabin crew strike.

= You know, I had totally forgotten about this before Mark and you reminded.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 29):
Stunning pictures from STP. I am also very grateful for the geography lesson - now I have discovered yet a new spot!

= So, are we gonna see you there soon?

Quoting swedenflyer (Reply 30):
Hi, Alex! I enjoyed reading about São Tome and Principe. It is not a country we hear about often, and I enjoy reading reports about those countries.

= Thanks.

Quoting WhereToNext (Reply 31):

Doing a simple search, I can't confirm this but I believe you're right... if the depths of my memory serve me right.

-Matt

= Cool Matt. I am gonna ask around.

Thanks all for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
The777Man
Posts: 6137
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 1999 4:54 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:45 am

Hi Alex!

Thanks for a fantastic report with amazing pictures especially the one from Sao Tome' and Princicpe. Looks like the flight was okay although a bit old style. The pictures of the terminal in LIS reminds me of when I was checking in with TAAG Angola for my flight to LAD and JNB.

Looking forward very much to your next report. Hope to hear from you if you have time when you pass by the area.

The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
717Flyer
Posts: 301
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:41 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:06 am

Hi again,

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 32):
= So, are we gonna see you there soon?

I hope I will get there some day, but at least yo can always keep dreaming.  

Thanks once again for the report
717Flyer
 
bananaboy
Posts: 1689
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:58 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:29 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 26):
Quoting bananaboy (Reply 23):
Very rare - only ever come across that once I believe. I flew TravelCityDirect which if I recall correctly had a magazine which was half about that "brand" and half about Excel Airways, who were the owner/operator of the TCD aircraft anyway.

= WOW! That is cool. Where were you flying between? When was it?

2007 I believe - LGW-HRG.

Mark
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
 
PlaneHunter
Posts: 6538
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:17 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
PH, where does this aircraft come from?

It's history is quite interesting: The plane first flew as D-AMUY for LTU, then as SE-RCE for Transair Sweden and Goodjet and then as TC-OGD for AtlasJet. It was supposed to fly for ThaiJet, but then Euro Atlantic picked it up. Euro Atlantic has so far wet-leased the plane to Knights Airlines, Pluna, Afriqiyah and Tunisair.


PH
Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
 
ba319-131
Posts: 8317
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 1:27 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 32):
Were the crew mostly Portuguese Mark?

- Hi Alex, yes indeed, shame as the Portuguese are generally very warm and inviting people.

Cheers

Mark
111 732 733 734 735 736 73G 738 739,7M8 BBJ 741 742 743 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 77L 773 77W L15 D10 D30 D40 AB3 AB6 312 313 318 319 320 20N 321 21N 332 333 342 343 345 346 359 351 388 CS1 CS3 I86 154 SSJ CRJ CR7 CR9 CRK 145 170 175 220
 
User avatar
airbuseric
Posts: 3565
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:24 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:21 pm

Hi Alex,

wanted to say, I really enjoyed also this report on a rare airline, route, destination etc. etc. You make most out of it for sure, and the pictures tell so much indeed! It's impressive at least to see that this 'little' airline provides even branded magazines.

Looking forward already to your next adventure!

Eric
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
 
debonair
Posts: 4070
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:50 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:14 pm

Nice to see you back again...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
These could be former TUIfly seats...I guess there were many of them available after X3's 73G fleet was transferred to AB.

= You know ... I was trying to figure out where the seats came from.


No- seat pockets, ash-tray and the IFE panel is not fitting to an ex TUIfly seat. I remember these seats from the old LTU SÜD days- when the a/c was delivered (and smoking was still possible onboard!). But, true, the seat cover is for sure from the TUI LEISURE GROUP (TUIfly, Britania, TUflyNordic etc.). This practice is not uncommon..

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
It's history is quite interesting: The plane first flew as D-AMUY for LTU



Nope, not true. I started my career in aviation many years back on D-AMUY- it was delivered first to LTU SÜD. We were proud to be LTU SÜD (based in MUC) and not LTU (based in DUS). Nice to see her still in godd condition.
Have a look for the additional SÜD-titles:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frank Schaefer

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Oh, and I managed to sneak in some blurry pictures with my mobile phone camera ...

Very, very sad... You just did a picture of the best looking Antonov EVER ER-AZB!!!! With palms, sandy beaches, dolphins and tropical waterfalls!!! Unfortunately, on airliners.net you just find this picture (enlarge to LARGE PHOTO)!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alexander - Chisinau Plane Spotter



Or use: http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=420813


On a side note, AirlinerWorld was having a special about aviation in São Tomé and Príncipe in ther May 2011 issue.

[Edited 2011-07-13 13:21:28]

[Edited 2011-07-13 13:22:45]
 
MHTripple7
Posts: 591
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:17 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:29 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= I did not know you had an interest in Lussophone countries. You should meet my friend and fellow A-Netter "kiramakora". He knows them well. Where does the interest come from?

Countries like Mozambique, Sao Tome, and especially Angola have very troubled pasts which have not ended until fairly recently. I've really only researched Angola, but its economy is growing fast, and it's developing quickly. I am well aware that it still has tons of problems, but when you look at pictures of Luanda's skyline now compared to 2006 even, there has been a drastic change for the better. I also know a few Angolans, and they seem pretty optimistic about things. I guess I just think it's cool that there seems to be a bright future for a country located in a region where there is an extensive amount of negative publicity. I also love it when "underdogs" succeed. Although people think I'm crazy for believing this, so go figure!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
Visa was HARD to get. You're in the U.S. right?

BUT TOTALLY WORTH IT! I really recommend an adventure seeker like you visit.

Yup, I am in the U.S.. Don't believe there is an STP embassy in the country. I don't understand why these countries make it so difficult for people to obtain visas! We want to spend money there!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= Stayed at some pousada - it is NOT tourist-friendly at all. But, that was the charm for me. There is two 4-ish star hotels in the entire country ... but you're young, so just do it man.

I too like "unspoiled" places. The challenge is finding someone to travel with me to such places.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
= Though, nothing like LAD. I could write a book on Luanda.

I bet. Pretty sure you need to set aside a good amount of cash specifically for bribes.
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:51 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 33):

Thanks for a fantastic report with amazing pictures especially the one from Sao Tome' and Princicpe. Looks like the flight was okay although a bit old style. The pictures of the terminal in LIS reminds me of when I was checking in with TAAG Angola for my flight to LAD and JNB.

= I distinctly recall that trip report of yours. Ya - I find flying out of Lisboa fascinating as it is a completely different experience based on whether you're flying to Europe, or to an "exotic" former Portuguese colony.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 33):

Looking forward very much to your next report. Hope to hear from you if you have time when you pass by the area.

= I have every intention of visiting you - 2011 has been a very challenging year for me professionally so far - lots of engagements and work in general. I guess that is not a bad thing - but has let me do things like meet up with you far more difficult.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 34):
I hope I will get there some day, but at least yo can always keep dreaming.

Thanks once again for the report
717Flyer

= Haha. I started with a dream  .

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 35):
2007 I believe - LGW-HRG.

Mark

= Mark, wow ... I had no idea!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
It's history is quite interesting: The plane first flew as D-AMUY for LTU, then as SE-RCE for Transair Sweden and Goodjet and then as TC-OGD for AtlasJet. It was supposed to fly for ThaiJet, but then Euro Atlantic picked it up. Euro Atlantic has so far wet-leased the plane to Knights Airlines, Pluna, Afriqiyah and Tunisair.


PH

= WOW. PH - quite the history - and here it was, taking me to STP!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 37):
- Hi Alex, yes indeed, shame as the Portuguese are generally very warm and inviting people.

Cheers

Mark

= Mark, I agree with you fully! Interestingly, I thought this was limited to some TP crew members - have had usually very good service at most Portuguese joints. But perhaps, it is because I speak the language (somewhat)?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 38):
Hi Alex,

wanted to say, I really enjoyed also this report on a rare airline, route, destination etc. etc. You make most out of it for sure, and the pictures tell so much indeed! It's impressive at least to see that this 'little' airline provides even branded magazines.

Looking forward already to your next adventure!

Eric

= Thanks Eric. BTW, you gonna put pictures up of the people at the A.Net meeting?

Quoting debonair (Reply 39):
Nice to see you back again...

= Thanks. It is good to be back  .

Quoting debonair (Reply 39):

No- seat pockets, ash-tray and the IFE panel is not fitting to an ex TUIfly seat. I remember these seats from the old LTU SÜD days- when the a/c was delivered (and smoking was still possible onboard!). But, true, the seat cover is for sure from the TUI LEISURE GROUP (TUIfly, Britania, TUflyNordic etc.). This practice is not uncommon..

= Let me get this right? The seat and the seat cover are from different airline?

Quoting debonair (Reply 39):
Nope, not true. I started my career in aviation many years back on D-AMUY- it was delivered first to LTU SÜD. We were proud to be LTU SÜD (based in MUC) and not LTU (based in DUS). Nice to see her still in godd condition.
Have a look for the additional SÜD-titles:

= Oh wow. Cool. I feel honoured to have given you a taste of your past. What did you begin your career with if I may ask? Why was there a huge difference between LTU SÜD and LTU?

Quoting debonair (Reply 39):

Very, very sad... You just did a picture of the best looking Antonov EVER ER-AZB!!!! With palms, sandy beaches, dolphins and tropical waterfalls!!! Unfortunately, on airliners.net you just find this picture (enlarge to LARGE PHOTO)!

= Haha. I did not know of the importance  . You know, it got me thinking - how amazing, exotic, and movie-like must its route to STP have been from Chisinau.

Quoting debonair (Reply 39):
On a side note, AirlinerWorld was having a special about aviation in São Tomé and Príncipe in ther May 2011 issue.

= I will keep an eye out for sure.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 40):
Countries like Mozambique, Sao Tome, and especially Angola have very troubled pasts which have not ended until fairly recently. I've really only researched Angola, but its economy is growing fast, and it's developing quickly. I am well aware that it still has tons of problems, but when you look at pictures of Luanda's skyline now compared to 2006 even, there has been a drastic change for the better. I also know a few Angolans, and they seem pretty optimistic about things. I guess I just think it's cool that there seems to be a bright future for a country located in a region where there is an extensive amount of negative publicity. I also love it when "underdogs" succeed. Although people think I'm crazy for believing this, so go figure!

= Ya - for me, there is no question that Angola will grow. But, will the growth remain at a very elite level, or will people really be able to see the wealth of their natural resources? Other African countries do not inspire much hope. I am far more optimistic about Mozambique - you really must go there. Wonderful people, and beautiful nation.

And, I am a big believer in the "underdog" as well.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 40):

Yup, I am in the U.S.. Don't believe there is an STP embassy in the country. I don't understand why these countries make it so difficult for people to obtain visas! We want to spend money there!

= Actually, there is a two-person STP Embassy in DC and a UN mission that also issues visas in NYC. The DC mission is awesome and run by a very sweet woman.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 40):

Yup, I am in the U.S.. Don't believe there is an STP embassy in the country. I don't understand why these countries make it so difficult for people to obtain visas! We want to spend money there!

= To be fair to STP, I don't think they have the capacity to open tons of consular posts. Why they don't offer VOA is another issue.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 40):

I too like "unspoiled" places. The challenge is finding someone to travel with me to such places.

= Look me up. I am always up for the challenge. I am serious! BTW, where does the MHTripple7 come from?

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 40):

I bet. Pretty sure you need to set aside a good amount of cash specifically for bribes.

= And stress!

Thanks for stopping by all.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
debonair
Posts: 4070
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:50 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:51 am

Hi my dear friend...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
= Let me get this right? The seat and the seat cover are from different airline?



Yes, very common. But it get even more crazy...      

Do you remember FUTURA INT. from Spain?! FUTURA was flying ex AirBerlin B737-400's. The cabin was still fitted with seats from AirBerlin, but with a new neutral blue cover. On top(!!), the front galley was removed for more seats. These seats have been purchased on the second hand market, but covered withe the same blue fabric. But, those seats were e.g. without ash-trays, without IFE panel etc. and tray-tables in different colors! This practice I have seen many times- so, as LTU SÜD was having fewer seats- it would be nice to know, if all seats onboard were the same...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
What did you begin your career with if I may ask? Why was there a huge difference between LTU SÜD and LTU?



I started as cabin crew- looong time ago. LTU was founded in Düsseldorf, operating the L1011, later MD11/A330 fleet. Later a separate airline was founded in MUC = LTS and via some connections in Spain LTE. LTS, later re-named LTU Süd, was operating the B757/B767 fleet, different AOC! LTU Süd was operating under the LTU umbrella, but different uniforms, with own HQ in MUC etc.! During 1997/1998 both airlines were merged and a love-hate started (seniority, salary and most important route network). For more details, worth to read(!), visit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTS_%E2%80%93_Lufttransport_Sud
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:28 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 42):
Yes, very common. But it get even more crazy...

Do you remember FUTURA INT. from Spain?! FUTURA was flying ex AirBerlin B737-400's. The cabin was still fitted with seats from AirBerlin, but with a new neutral blue cover. On top(!!), the front galley was removed for more seats. These seats have been purchased on the second hand market, but covered withe the same blue fabric. But, those seats were e.g. without ash-trays, without IFE panel etc. and tray-tables in different colors! This practice I have seen many times- so, as LTU SÜD was having fewer seats- it would be nice to know, if all seats onboard were the same...

= WOW! I guess I have not flown many charter-type airlines so have not really encountered this. Thanks for the education!

Quoting debonair (Reply 42):
I started as cabin crew- looong time ago. LTU was founded in Düsseldorf, operating the L1011, later MD11/A330 fleet. Later a separate airline was founded in MUC = LTS and via some connections in Spain LTE. LTS, later re-named LTU Süd, was operating the B757/B767 fleet, different AOC! LTU Süd was operating under the LTU umbrella, but different uniforms, with own HQ in MUC etc.! During 1997/1998 both airlines were merged and a love-hate started (seniority, salary and most important route network). For more details, worth to read(!), visit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTS_%E2...t_Sud

= Wow thanks again ... yet, another education and a most enjoyable read. I am glad I could provide a trip down memory lane for you.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
akhmad
Posts: 2503
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:20 pm

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:25 pm

Hi Alex,

Another marvelous report of yours. Thanks to you, I have learned many worldwide hot spots. This time it happens to be Sao Tome.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
all the random Euro Atlantic charters including the 757 flights to Australia and their pit stop in Bali.

Oh? I did not know that the particular 757 would go as far as Australia and Bali.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Airport - Internal:

Has LIS revamped the interior recently? I could not remember seeing high ceiling and lots of glasses when I traveled through the airport in 2006.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
As I was leaving the counter, he came running and presented me with a souvenir of STP Airways - a nice pen! WOW! It was touching gesture and I thanked him profusely.
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
and a young girl told me what her favorite was and insisted I have a few. Small gestures like these are always memorable and enhanced a great flight.

Definitely. Small airlines are usually aware of these little touches and how to warm your heart.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Pretending dumb and saying "no understand ... no understand", I just kept walking to where the local crowd was heading to.

Thanks for the tip. But, what if the security official went after you?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Enjoy these beautiful pictures of this incredible country, and let me know what you think)

Gorgeous! Nature wise Sao Tome could have been Tahiti while the city is as romantic as Cuba!

Thanks again for sharing.

Best wishes,
Suryo
There is no deity except You. Exalted are You. Indeed, I have been of the wrongdoers.
 
MHTripple7
Posts: 591
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:17 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
= Ya - for me, there is no question that Angola will grow. But, will the growth remain at a very elite level, or will people really be able to see the wealth of their natural resources?

That's a very good question. I guess time will tell. There's also a huge Chinese presence in Angola, which stirs things up a bit.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Other African countries do not inspire much hope. I am far more optimistic about Mozambique - you really must go there. Wonderful people, and beautiful nation.

Yeah I've heard good things about Mozambique. My "ideal" trip would be one that includes STP, Angola, and Mozambique. Sadly, it's just impractical and would be a bureaucratic nightmare.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
= Actually, there is a two-person STP Embassy in DC and a UN mission that also issues visas in NYC. The DC mission is awesome and run by a very sweet woman.

Oh cool, I didn't know about the one in DC. I knew about the UN mission though. Glad to know they have some nice employees too.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
= To be fair to STP, I don't think they have the capacity to open tons of consular posts. Why they don't offer VOA is another issue.

VOA seems like a great solution. It's such a blatant a win-win for both sides. I suppose there's a big tit-for-tat mind set in these decisions though.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
= Look me up. I am always up for the challenge. I am serious! BTW, where does the MHTripple7 come from?

For sure. Gotta start making some money on my own, however. I'm going off to college soon, so I don't believe my parents will continue to fund my obscure trips. Oh and I live in Tampa, FL.
 
paris380
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:53 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:13 pm

The country looks very poor. Good reporting however.
 
abrelosojos
Topic Author
Posts: 4323
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 6:48 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:19 am

Quoting akhmad (Reply 44):

Another marvelous report of yours. Thanks to you, I have learned many worldwide hot spots. This time it happens to be Sao Tome.

= Thanks Suryo. You're most generous with your comments!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 44):

Oh? I did not know that the particular 757 would go as far as Australia and Bali.

= Ya. Apparently, their routing is usually via CAI and GOI.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 44):
Has LIS revamped the interior recently? I could not remember seeing high ceiling and lots of glasses when I traveled through the airport in 2006.

= Ya. It went through a renovation, and I believe a terminal extension. Why haven't you visited LIS more recently?! It is such an incredible city.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 44):

Thanks for the tip. But, what if the security official went after you?

= Ignorance is always bliss ...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 44):
Gorgeous! Nature wise Sao Tome could have been Tahiti while the city is as romantic as Cuba!

= Hopefully STP does not become a Tahiti. Inflated prices and too touristy  .

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 45):
That's a very good question. I guess time will tell. There's also a huge Chinese presence in Angola, which stirs things up a bit.

= Ya. They are not really welcome though. One of the most depressing sites for me at LAD is when a plane lands, and the Chinese workers go through in single file through immigration to their minders to their vans. They all wear the same uniform and looks like the slave ship has landed. You seen that?

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 45):

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Other African countries do not inspire much hope. I am far more optimistic about Mozambique - you really must go there. Wonderful people, and beautiful nation.

Yeah I've heard good things about Mozambique. My "ideal" trip would be one that includes STP, Angola, and Mozambique. Sadly, it's just impractical and would be a bureaucratic nightmare.

= Just do it  . Mozambique is VOA.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 45):

For sure. Gotta start making some money on my own, however. I'm going off to college soon, so I don't believe my parents will continue to fund my obscure trips. Oh and I live in Tampa, FL.

= Haha. Well, if you get the bug, just shoot me a message, and I will come. Where is college BTW? In FL?

Quoting paris380 (Reply 46):
The country looks very poor.

= Taken the RER between CDG and downtown  ?

Thanks a lot for reading everyone.

Saludos,
A.
Live, and let live.
 
kiramakora
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:00 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:55 pm

When do we get the report of your trip out of TMS?
 
RvXKaz
Posts: 189
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:57 am

RE: STP / Euro Atlantic 8F 504: DEC/10: LIS-TMS: Y Cab

Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:26 am

Hi abrelosojos,

This is truely a rare insight into a little known country and its airline! Thanks so much for sharing! I know so little about São Tomé and Príncipe (heck, I heard of it before but I've always assumed it to be in the Caribbean) so thanks so much for enlightening me!

The cabin and flight really looks like from an era past indeed but I'm sure that only heightens the pleasure! Its nice to see that they do serve generous meal portions. I was quite bemused to read that the STP crew work in the biz section whilst the Euroatlantic crew work at the Y section! But I don't want to speculate!  

STP looks most lovely indeed. I love the glorious sunshine as evident in your photos!

Lastly, I want to say its a really nice gesture from a small unknown airline and it sure makes really fond memories of such an adventure down a road less travelled!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
As I was leaving the counter, he came running and presented me with a souvenir of STP Airways - a nice pen! WOW! It was touching gesture and I thanked him profusely.

Most wonderful experience indeed.

Thank you so much for sharing,
RvXKaz
They say that I'm a dreamer. But I'd only Dreamt Skyward.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 24 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos