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Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:21 am

Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + visit to Hellinikon

Background:
The week before Passover was a perfect time for a vacation - I could easily get off work (in exchange for working on the holiday) and my good friend and room mate, Anat, working at the university was already on vacation. We decided to visit Athens – Anat was never there, and I was there only once, 5 years ago only for 2 days and had a passion for more.

Booking:
I had Booked a package deal on Expedia for just under $500 (US) each, for flights and 4 nights at a 5* hotel right in the city center. Flight part was $212 per passenger, pretty cheap due to OA's re-opening of it's TLV route offering low prices ($212 each, in comparison to $294 on Aegean and $670 on LY).

Pre-flight:
My father dropped me off at TLV at 11:50. There was no one at the security questioning line (I had to ask the guy to pass me) check in line was also empty; I asked for a window seat to the right and got 21F, with Anat at 23F. Empty check in counters:
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Good to see the Olympic logo back in TLV. I passed the border control within seconds using my biometric pass and met with Anat at the duty free. FIDS:
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Another Greek jet:
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Here is how easyjet boarding is done in Israel:
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Boarding called 20 minutes late. Couldn't take a photo of the plane as it was behind the airbridge. Gate: (again, good to see OA302 back in TLV)


Flight details:
Flight: OA302
Airline: Olympic Air
Airplane: A320-200 SX-OAU (built 2010)
Route: Tel Aviv Ben Gurion Israel TLV -> Athens Venizelios Greece ATH
Date: Sunday, April 1st 2012.
Gates: B3 -> A11
Runways: 26 -> 21R
Seat: 21F
SDT/SAT: 1335/1535

Actual Timing:
Pushback: 13:55
Taxi: 13:59
Wheels off: 14:07
Touchdown: 15:54
Full stop: 16:00

Airborne time: 1 hour 37 minutes
Gate to Gate time: 2 hours 5 minutes (scheduled 2 hours) DELAY 25 minutes

We waited about 20 minutes on the ground due to air traffic in the Cypriot air space, according to the captain.

I was greeted warmly on board (hello sir, welcome on board Olympic). True business class on board OAU:
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In my seat. Middle seat remained empty. No legroom problem:
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The Captain apologized for the delay, and we pushed back eventually 20 minutes behind schedule. Aeroflot A330 and Brussels A319:
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Airborne from RWY 26:
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Meal served about 30 min into the flight:
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Pretty good:
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No choosing option. Bad point is that drink service is provided quite a while after the meal is served. It was the same on the flight back. Cruising:
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No in flight entertainment at all. Let's say that 2 hours is reasonable flight time to pass without entertainment on regular flight, I wonder how OA is on the longer routes. Cabin view from my seat – LF around 60% today:
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Rhodes airport:
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Beautiful Greece:
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Anyone know what this is?
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Landing on RWY 21R:
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Old OA B732 now use for training:
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Crossing the road and railway:
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I wonder when any of those birds fly again:
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Olympic Airlines A340-300, sitting here for a while:
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We ended up at the gate at 16:00, which was 25 minutes behind schedule:
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In my opinion, ATH airport is one of the most boring, dull, gray airport terminals I have ever seen. Instead of using Greece's unique architecture, take off the signs in Greek and you can place this airport in any medium size US city since it’s as non unique as it could be. This is something I don't understand, as ATH was built from scratch. Want an example of a terminal using local culture items making it special and immediately connected to it's location? TLV's Terminal 3.

Heading to passport control:
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Baggage claim hall:
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Arrival hall:
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Well, out of the terminal, we took the X95 bus to the city center. Since it was a Sunday, traffic was light and within 45 minutes we were at Sintagma sq. Another short walk and we were at our hotel. The bus:
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Some views from one of my favorite cities:
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Greek parliament building:
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View from our hotel breakfast room:
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The Cypriot conflict is very much alive here:


A lot can be said about this pic nowadays:
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The real reason for going to Greece:
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:22 am

While heading to Glyfada for dinner, I convinced Anat to make a mandatory stop at the old Hellinikon airport. Fascinating to see this once crowded airport abandoned. There was a security guard over there whom didn’t seem to care about me taking photos. Here:
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I wonder how many of those cars were unnecessary since they were left here:
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Near one of the many stadiums built for 2004 summer Olympics, now standing mostly as white elephants along the beach:
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On april 4th a senior citizen committed suicide in front of the parliament because the government cut his pension payments. On that evening, hundreds of Greeks protested in the same location, with the protest becoming violent after a short time. Anat and I were there (from a safe distance) and it taught us a lot about the situation in Greece. Many locals were ‘glad’ to see the 2 tourists over there, explaining to us passionately their feeling.
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McDolands was the first place to close down, fast. I guess they know why:
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Protesters throw stones, Molotov bottles chairs and anything else they could lift in the air, police in return shot tear gas and fired in the air.
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On our last day, we left the hotel at 06:40, and via Akropoli and Sintagma stations we took the train to the airport (14 Euros for both of us). Now how many metro stations look like this?
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Train was packed, but most passengers disembarked before the airport and I could sit down on the last few stops:
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We got to the airport well 2.5 hours prior to take off. View to the train station:
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Drop off area:
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Check in was quick, we asked for 2 windows to the left and got 24A & 25A. Check in hall:
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FIDS:
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ATH has 3 shopping areas: one for the general public, one for passengers only and one for non-Schengen passengers. Anat and I used all 3 to get rid of all the Euros we had left. The passengers-only one:
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I walked up to McDonalds where there was the best view of the takeoff runway. Aegean was dominant, with 11 takeoffs (10 A320 and 1 A321) with Olympic on 2 takeoffs, both with Dash 8:
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After passpost control, Did I mention ATH been dull, gray and boring yet?
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Security check was done just before the gates area, unlike most airports I have seen (where security is done after check in or after passport control, and before duty free stores). Gates area – look how ugly the tubes in the celling are, look like they run out of money during construction:
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El Al B738 EKF on gate A05, took off right before us:
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After I took this photo an employee asked me not to take photos of the El Al plane, but I wasn’t asked to Delete this one. My ride for today was the neighbor in A09, SX-OAQ, seen with Cyprus A319 taxing in the back:
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Our gate:
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Boarding called no less then 25 minutes late, yet pushback was on time due to low load factor – 65 passengers only. Flight details:

Flight: OA301
Airline: Olympic Air
Airplane: A320-200 SX-OAQ (built 2009)
Route: Athens Venizelios Greece ATH -> Tel Aviv Ben Gurion Israel TLV
Date: Sunday, April 5th 2012.
Gates: A09 -> C3 (T3)
Runways: 03R -> 26
Seat: 24A
SDT/SAT: 1035/1235

Actual Timing:
Pushback: 10:38
Taxi: 10:42
Wheels off: 10:48
Touchdown: 12:25
Full stop: 12:29

Airborne time: 1 hour 37 minutes
Gate to Gate time: 1 hour 51 minutes (scheduled 2 hours)

In my seat, due to the low load factor there was no one in my 3 seats so as in Anat’s 3 seats. My row:


This one has European business class:
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Our neighbor from south was our neighbors from north:
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El Al jet gets a head start on the race to Tel Aviv:
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Lining up:
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Taking off, nice view of OA’s domestic fleet:
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Another ex-OA A343:
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Cabin view:
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Crusing:
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Window was pretty dirty (that’s no ice):


Meal service – no options to choose from on both flights:
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Entrée looks OK?
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Well, look how the other side looks…disgusting:
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Well, lunch at home I guess. Only had beer, which is acceptable for this short flight. Soon we began our approach, with the FA addressing us before landing, said that according to Israeli low all passengers must remain seated during landing. Never heard of that, not in Israeli airlines or on foreign airlines, I need to check that out. Flying over the airport, descending from east to RWY 26:
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Great view of Terminal 1:
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Over flying Shoham:
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We made a smooth landing and taxied to gate C3. Last view of my plane:
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Passover greetings before passport control:
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Passport control line was very long, mostly for foreigners:
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Anat and I used the biometric pass to cross it in seconds, what created interesting thing – luggage was out ready on the carousal, but no passengers next to it as they were still stuck in passport control:
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That’s it, hope you guys liked it. I love Athens, I am already planing my next visit ( its time to see northern Greece next).

Regarding Olympic, I was not impressed at all. Both flights boarded passengers late and one was pretty late, food was way below average (old OA was better) and there was no entertainment. Service was good, but nothing extra ordinary. Legroom was fine on both planes. Yet, if they offer good prices for European connections I wouldn’t mind flying them again. Also need to mention that many airlines won’t give you anything for 1.5 hours flight. Name branded stuff:


PS: Go on vacation in Greece, in addition to the world class sites and warm hospitality you will really do a mitzvah nowadays.

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Please take a look at my other trip reports:

Chasing The Sun: Arkia B757-300 TLV-ETH (by EL-AL Feb 8 2012 in Trip Reports)

A Russian Novel: Transaero TLV-DME-YYZ & Back (by EL-AL Nov 8 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 9/9: El Al LY082 BKK-TLV / B763 (by EL-AL Jul 20 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 8/9: SriLankan HKG-BKK – Perfect! (by EL-AL Jun 29 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 7/9: China Southern CZ3410 KMG-CAN (by EL-AL Jun 18 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 6/9: Vietnam Airlines VN240 HUI-HAN (by EL-AL Jun 18 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 5/9: Jetstar Pacific SGN-DAD (by EL-AL May 28 2011 in Trip Reports)

El Al Independence Day Flyover 2011 (by EL-AL May 12 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 3/9: Lao Airlines VTE-PKZ+LPQ & LXG (by EL-AL May 9 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 2/9: Orient Thai DMK-CEI / MD-82 (by EL-AL May 2 2011 in Trip Reports)

Indochina Trip 1/9: El Al B744 TLV-BKK + LY Lounge (by EL-AL Apr 24 2011 in Trip Reports)

Flying The Box: Ayit Shorts 360 SDV-RPN-SDV (by el-al Oct 10 2010 in Trip Reports)

Nightmares And Thefts: Air Malta TLV-MLA-TLV (by EL-AL Oct 22 2010 in Trip Reports)

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Special TR: Preparations For El Al Ind.day Flyover (by EL-AL Apr 20 2010 in Trip Reports)

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[Edited 2012-04-09 17:29:10]
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:59 am

Hey EL AL,

Glad to see this TR finally posted. I was looking forward to it. Old, abandoned airports fascinate me and I was very eager to see your photos of HEW. I flew there once on a diversion but never got off the plane.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
I could easily get off work (in exchange for working on the holiday) and my good friend and room mate, Anat, working at the university was already on vacation. We decided to visit Athens

I see you flew out on April 5th. Too bad you couldn't stay another night and watch the Panathinaikos-Maccabi basketball game at OAKA. It was one of the best Euroleague games in history I hear. Not a basketball fan I take it?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Another Greek jet:

Wow, a Blue Bird 737? What a nice catch. I'm assuming it was heading to HER?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
I wonder how OA is on the longer routes

Erm... I think that ATH-TLV is OA's longest route after they dropped AMS. Kinda sad, knowing the many long-haul routes they had in the 80's and 90's.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
In my opinion, ATH airport is one of the most boring, dull, gray airport terminals I have ever seen. Instead of using Greece's unique architecture, take off the signs in Greek and you can place this airport in any medium size US city since it’s as non unique as it could be. This is something I don't understand, as ATH was built from scratch. Want an example of a terminal using local culture items making it special and immediately connected to it's location? TLV's Terminal 3.

Couldn't agree more. I caught myself thinking the same thing when I first visited the place. The same applies to many new buildings and stadia constructed for the Olympics. With a few exceptions (e.g. OAKA) all the rest were incredibly dull architecturally, at least IMO.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
its time to see northern Greece next).

Two thumps up for that. I have been to Greece many times (my hometown -Petrich- is near the Greek-Bulgarian border) and without a doubt the north of Greece (Thrace, Macedonia and Epirus) is by far my favorite region. Thessaloniki, Kavala, Ioannina, Kastoria, the Meteora rocks, Mount Olympus and the Halkidiki peninsulas are places worth visiting.


Thanks for putting this together EL AL. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:36 am

Very nice trip report. I am still at the office and drooling over the photos of the food (not the one on-board your flight!)

I will agree about the airport, it is dull and boring, reminds me of Munich, the control towers also look almost the same. I am also very surprised that OA's service was sub-par, the food looks worse than what I got on a 15' domestic flight!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):

Anyone know what this is?

They have been building a lot of wind generators on Evia island, maybe these are the roads that they open to build/access them?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
McDolands was the first place to close down

I am surprised it is still there. I heard it got burned down a while ago during "riots". I haven't been in Athens for close to a year so I haven't kept up with what is going on around downtown, what is still there and what's not.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:03 am

Hi there EL-AL!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
We decided to visit Athens – Anat was never there, and I was there only once, 5 years ago only for 2 days and had a passion for more.

I've been in Athens in the summer of 2004 for a few days, before the Olympics.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
True business class on board OAU:

Looks quite modern. Whether that's good or bad it's up to everyone to decide  
Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
In my opinion, ATH airport is one of the most boring, dull, gray airport terminals I have ever seen. Instead of using Greece's unique architecture, take off the signs in Greek and you can place this airport in any medium size US city since it’s as non unique as it could be. This is something I don't understand, as ATH was built from scratch. Want an example of a terminal using local culture items making it special and immediately connected to it's location? TLV's Terminal 3.

Hmmm... Well, I had a migraine when I left ATH and don't remember the terminal when I arrived, just the landing and taking the bus to the city... Since I don't remember, I assume it wasn't spectacular, even if it was brand new.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Olympic Airlines A340-300, sitting here for a while:

Is it by the terminal, taking up a parking position with a boarding bridge? If so, why?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
I convinced Anat to make a mandatory stop at the old Hellinikon airport. Fascinating to see this once crowded airport abandoned.

Yes, a must see. I passed by, but without stopping, when I was in Athens. My grandfather told me stories of interesting approaches and departures IIRC, caught between the sea and the city  
Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
Near one of the many stadiums built for 2004 summer Olympics, now standing mostly as white elephants along the beach:

Heh. I remember a conversation between a taxi driver (I think) and my mother regarding whether these stadiums would be complete by the start of the Olympic Games--the taxi driver said he didn't believe they would be.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
Anat and I were there (from a safe distance) and it taught us a lot about the situation in Greece.

You're quite brave. I'd've withdrawn to my hotel room  
Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
Anat and I used the biometric pass to cross it in seconds, what created interesting thing – luggage was out ready on the carousal, but no passengers next to it as they were still stuck in passport control:

That's quite rare in my experience. It's strange, I always expect my bags to come out last wherever I go, considering I never wait long for immigration anymore  

Thanks very much for your report; brings back some memories of ATH.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:52 am

Hi Jonathan,
A good report on an airline with a mixed history. How forlorn the old airport looks. Wasn't there an international competition to redesign the area for mixed parkland and residential areas?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
There was no one at the security questioning line (I had to ask the guy to pass me) check in line was also empty;

What a contrast with all the other reports we hear about Israeli security. Mind you, your later photo of the queue at passport control tells a different story.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Bad point is that drink service is provided quite a while after the meal is served.

Wouldn't it make sense to do a drinks run either before or with the meal service? Do they have enough crew to make that possible?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
Well, look how the other side looks…disgusting:

Yuck. Is it just congealed fat?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
Window was pretty dirty (that’s no ice):

Looks like salt encrusted on the window.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 1):
said that according to Israeli low all passengers must remain seated during landing.

In the US the requirement is under FAR Part 121.317(f): "Each passenger required by Sec. 121.311(b) to occupy a seat or berth shall fasten his or her safety belt about him or her and keep it fastened while the "Fasten Seat Belt" sign is lighted."

Here in Australia, the CASA website advises "Passengers must remain seated with their seatbelt fastened until the aircraft has come to a complete stop and the seatbelt sign has been turned off." I have heard similar announcements made on international carriers but they tend to be ignored by passengers.

Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:00 am

At bmi we were required to inform passengers to remain seated for the final (off the top of my head) 30 minutes into TLV, and for the first 30 minutes out of TLV to comply with Israeli security rules.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:45 am

Shalom Jonathan
Another interesting TR. Thanx for have to write it
It brings memories to me back back to when i was 17 and me with my family where together to Athen
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:40 pm

"in my opinion, ATH airport is one of the most boring, dull, gray airport terminals I have ever seen"

As are most of newly built airports, I will not dwell on that too much ... Is the airport functional ? Yes, how is the flow of departing / arriving passengers? long walks? availability of food courts? Easy access to mass transit systems .? I believe that this was the intent when they built the new Athens Airport and they have brilliantly succeed in it, you do not mention the small museum on the first floor, nor the ecological aspect of the airport (again on the first floor). Compared to dump airports that CDG, FCO, FRA (old terminals), SXF, MAD (old terminals), I think ATH ranks higher.

"Both flights boarded passengers late and one was pretty late"

Your return flights even landed ahead of time and your departing flight was delayed by Air traffic congestion which is not the responsibility of the airline. And 25 minutes is not that pretty late , believe me.

"I wonder how many of those cars were unnecessary since they were left here "

Very few if you believe me, since you know that was no Air bridges in Hellinikon airport and lot of cars/trucks were used back then, Then the Old OA closed and many cars that were not needed by the new OA were transferred on this parking lot. Same of the buses which provided complimentary shuttle between the city terminal and the airport.

there was no entertainment."
Few airlines offer entertainment for such short sectors . MEA used to, AZ, AF, CY, LH, JK do not and even for longer flights.


Otherwise, it was a great report and very nice photos , thank you for the photo of MEA , I appreciate it coming from you . It is sad to see the old airport being so derelict and in a such state of disrepair and please do not judge the food by its appearance.....I think you have forfeited on one delightful snack but that is just my 2 cents (at least you had a meal..... not to be found these days on such short sectors and certainly not on AZ)
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
As are most of newly built airports, I will not dwell on that too much ... Is the airport functional ? Yes, how is the flow of departing / arriving passengers? long walks? availability of food courts? Easy access to mass transit systems .? I believe that this was the intent when they built the new Athens Airport and they have brilliantly succeed in it, you do not mention the small museum on the first floor, nor the ecological aspect of the airport (again on the first floor). Compared to dump airports that CDG, FCO, FRA (old terminals), SXF, MAD (old terminals), I think ATH ranks higher.

I'll answer for myself but I suspect that EL AL meant something similar:

I don't think that anyone questioned the functionality of ATH. This is why it was voted numerous times as one of the best airports of its region and for its size. I think both EL AL (correct me if I'm wrong, Jonathan) and I focused our criticism to the airport's aesthetics. I personally think that functionality and aesthetics can co-exist but ATH lacks the latter. It is way too "boxy", the interior is very dull and full of straight lines. Of course aesthetics are 100% subjective, so this is simply my 2 cents.

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:03 pm

I flew on Olympic from New York to Athens on a B747 in 1979 and the flights were great. Also New York to Paris in the early 1970s on pretty empty flights.

OA used to carry a lot of TLV to NYC traffic.

It seems that AEGEAN is better than OA. Pretty silly to have EL AL and OA leave at the same time.

The ARKIA flights to Amman are very hush hush. Nothing on the ARKIA web site.

I think the flights to Eravan / Armenia are seasonal for the Easter holidays.

Seems that tourism to Greece is replacing Turkey.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:16 pm

Thanks for sharing. Nice to see Olympic doing well. Food looked a little fat though. Maybe this is some special catering to meet food requirements to Israel? I remember flying with Czech Airlines to TLV and they had catered special food, which was not prepared by the regular OK caterers, but from some kosher place in town.

Great to see pictures of the old airport. When I was young I was on a holiday camp with other people of my age. We flew with Alitalia via Rome (actually the flight from Rome to ATH was operated by Eurofly), and I remember quite well the place in front of the airport. It was night, it was hot, it was polluted, and a tank was standing there   It looked exactly like on your pictures.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:13 pm

Hi

Interesting trip report, thanks for sharing!
OA seems to be pretty decent. free hot meal, real J class seating.
Y looks to be cramped.
Those 343's sitting there just look so cramped.

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:27 pm

Cool report.

I did the TLV to Athens sector with A3 which I will put a report up for soon, so it will be a good thing to compare withit.

To be honest, it didn't seem much more different than your sector. Meal looked a little better, but much the same.

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
I see you flew out on April 5th. Too bad you couldn't stay another night and watch the Panathinaikos-Maccabi basketball game at OAKA. It was one of the best Euroleague games in history I hear. Not a basketball fan I take it?

That was really a shame. After the first 2 games in Athens we thought it was over, and only after the next 2 games in Tel Aviv we understood that the seriues is back in Athens and I already had my tickets ready then. Shame, because it was the best basketball game I have seen in a while, saw it here on TV. Almost had an heart attack watching it.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
Wow, a Blue Bird 737? What a nice catch. I'm assuming it was heading to HER?

Iraklion indeed. Crete is very popular around here since the you-know-what with Turkey.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
Erm... I think that ATH-TLV is OA's longest route after they dropped AMS. Kinda sad, knowing the many long-haul routes they had in the 80's and 90's.

Well, those days are gone now. Aegean is doing well on those European routes, and in this economy no room for 2 Greek airlines, not to mention the new CY line from ATH to LHR.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
Couldn't agree more. I caught myself thinking the same thing when I first visited the place. The same applies to many new buildings and stadia constructed for the Olympics. With a few exceptions (e.g. OAKA) all the rest were incredibly dull architecturally, at least IMO.

I am glad you agree.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
Two thumps up for that. I have been to Greece many times (my hometown -Petrich- is near the Greek-Bulgarian border) and without a doubt the north of Greece (Thrace, Macedonia and Epirus) is by far my favorite region. Thessaloniki, Kavala, Ioannina, Kastoria, the Meteora rocks, Mount Olympus and the Halkidiki peninsulas are places worth visiting.

I know, really want to go there. I hope arkia will re-lunch TLV-SKG in the summer. I will take 10-14 days in the region for sure, also want to visit Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) in addition to northern Greece.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 2):
Thanks for putting this together EL AL. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

You are very welcome, thx.

Quoting lewis (Reply 3):
Very nice trip report. I am still at the office and drooling over the photos of the food (not the one on-board your flight!)

Efharisto Paris, moving from Greece to the UK involves a substantial food downgrade in my opinion!

Quoting lewis (Reply 3):
I will agree about the airport, it is dull and boring, reminds me of Munich, the control towers also look almost the same. I am also very surprised that OA's service was sub-par, the food looks worse than what I got on a 15' domestic flight!

Never been to MUC, but i think you're right. Regarding the food, I think a snack or sandwich with coffee or other drink would be better for this short flight instead of this low class meal.

Quoting lewis (Reply 3):
They have been building a lot of wind generators on Evia island, maybe these are the roads that they open to build/access them?

Interesting, didn't know that.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Looks quite modern. Whether that's good or bad it's up to everyone to decide

It is very modern, and with easy transportation to the city, but nothing Greek in it.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Is it by the terminal, taking up a parking position with a boarding bridge? If so, why?

On the remote terminal, not the main one. I think it is been prepared for sale.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
You're quite brave. I'd've withdrawn to my hotel room

You say brave, I say Israeli  
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
That's quite rare in my experience. It's strange, I always expect my bags to come out last wherever I go, considering I never wait long for immigration anymore

It was first time for me to. They are working pretty fast in TLV - within 10 minutes all luggage was out.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 4):
Thanks very much for your report; brings back some memories of ATH.

You welcome.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
Hi Jonathan,
A good report on an airline with a mixed history. How forlorn the old airport looks. Wasn't there an international competition to redesign the area for mixed parkland and residential areas?

Thank you. I don't think Greece can really afford such a project nowdays.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
What a contrast with all the other reports we hear about Israeli security. Mind you, your later photo of the queue at passport control tells a different story.

The stories of the Israeli security are pretty much nothing but stories. Many TLV reports around here say the same.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
Wouldn't it make sense to do a drinks run either before or with the meal service? Do they have enough crew to make that possible?

5 crew members, 2 with the food cart, 2 on the drink cart and one more in the back.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
Yuck. Is it just congealed fat?

Have no idea what it was and had no wish to check. We had breakfast at the hotel so I wasn't very hungry anyway.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
Thanks for sharing.

You welcome.

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 6):
At bmi we were required to inform passengers to remain seated for the final (off the top of my head) 30 minutes into TLV, and for the first 30 minutes out of TLV to comply with Israeli security rules

Yet, when I flew back from Moscow with Transaero 6 months ago passengers stood in the aisle till about 15 minutes before landing, when the seat belt sign was on for a while (it was on B744).

Quoting mxp (Reply 7):
Another interesting TR. Thanx for have to write it

Thank you very much MXP.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
As are most of newly built airports, I will not dwell on that too much ... Is the airport functional ? Yes, how is the flow of departing / arriving passengers? long walks? availability of food courts? Easy access to mass transit systems .? I believe that this was the intent when they built the new Athens Airport and they have brilliantly succeed in it, you do not mention the small museum on the first floor, nor the ecological aspect of the airport (again on the first floor). Compared to dump airports that CDG, FCO, FRA (old terminals), SXF, MAD (old terminals), I think ATH ranks higher.

The airport is very functional and very easy, that is not the issue. What I am saying is that there is nothing Greek about it, it's just another terminal.

In Bangkok you have those huge Buddhist golden statues all over the terminal that imminently connected to Thailand. In Laos, all airport terminals have a typical triangle roof, as in most Laotian houses. In HKG the roof is unlike any other. The "palm trees" in Dubai. That is what is missing in Athens airport - something local.


Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
Your return flights even landed ahead of time and your departing flight was delayed by Air traffic congestion which is not the responsibility of the airline. And 25 minutes is not that pretty late , believe me.

25 minutes late is late in any way you look at it. We had some connecting passengers on board too, I bet they felt it.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):

Very few if you believe me, since you know that was no Air bridges in Hellinikon airport and lot of cars/trucks were used back then, Then the Old OA closed and many cars that were not needed by the new OA were transferred on this parking lot. Same of the buses which provided complimentary shuttle between the city terminal and the airport

There is no dought that old OA was not efficient, and the view of hundreds of cars standing abandoned at the old airport displays it nicely. Even if you put aside all the buses, there are still many OA logo cars that make you think "if they moved and don't need them anymore, why they had'em in the first place?"

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
Few airlines offer entertainment for such short sectors

El Al does, and it's a direct competitor in the ATH-TLV route (El Al also provide entertainment of flights to Eilat, which are 35 minutes long!).

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
Otherwise, it was a great report and very nice photos

Thank you.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
thank you for the photo of MEA , I appreciate it coming from you

I won't post a nice pic because I'm an Israeli? come on. BTW I think that the best looking colors scheme on any airline is the one of Royal Jordanian.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 8):
please do not judge the food by its appearance.....I think you have forfeited on one delightful snack but that is just my 2 cents (at least you had a meal..... not to be found these days on such short sectors and certainly not on AZ)

As I mentioned, if OA would provide a sandwich and drink it would be fine. If you serve a meal it souled be a good one, otherwise it leaves nothing but bad taste. Giving bad meal is worse then giving a good sandwich.

Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 9):
I don't think that anyone questioned the functionality of ATH. This is why it was voted numerous times as one of the best airports of its region and for its size. I think both EL AL (correct me if I'm wrong, Jonathan) and I focused our criticism to the airport's aesthetics. I personally think that functionality and aesthetics can co-exist but ATH lacks the latter. It is way too "boxy", the interior is very dull and full of straight lines. Of course aesthetics are 100% subjective, so this is simply my 2 cents

Well said.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 10):
OA used to carry a lot of TLV to NYC traffic.

Not really, Tower air was the "low cost" airline on TLV-JFK flights, OA wasn't very popular around here for US flights.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 10):
The ARKIA flights to Amman are very hush hush. Nothing on the ARKIA web site.

That's because this route was just closed, Israir is replacing arkia on AMM flights - you can buy with Israir a ticket all the way to BKK and HKG using Israir and RJ flights via AMM. Don't forget that many passengers flying out of Amman get there buy bus (its just under 2 hours bus ride from Tel Aviv).

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 10):
Seems that tourism to Greece is replacing Turkey.

Not just Greece - there has been a dramatic increase in Israeli tourism also to Bulgaria, Malta and southern Cyprus. Also many more fly to Italy and Spain (Spanair RIP offered flights from TLV to BCN for as low as $200).

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 12):
Interesting trip report, thanks for sharing!

Thank you very much MS.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 12):
OA seems to be pretty decent. free hot meal, real J class seating.
Y looks to be cramped.

Indeed so. BTW I forgot to mention that on both legs JCL was empty.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Cool report.

Thx lukey

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
I did the TLV to Athens sector with A3 which I will put a report up for soon, so it will be a good thing to compare withit.

To be honest, it didn't seem much more different than your sector. Meal looked a little better, but much the same.

I am looking foreword to that, sound very interesting (never flew A3)

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 14):

Efharisto Paris, moving from Greece to the UK involves a substantial food downgrade in my opinion!

Got upgraded to California now, but still, no good Greek food on the west coast, sad!
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:26 pm

I was talking before the 1990s.

TOWER AIR only operated in the early 1990s.
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 16):
I was talking before the 1990s.

TOWER AIR only operated in the early 1990s.

Still, i'm not sure. OA never sent to TLV more then B722 or B732 once a day, with most passengers staying in ATH. Don't forget that after Yonatan operation in 1976 (when terrorists boarded a plane from Tel Aviv in Athens) Israelis avoided flying to Greece all together, with Greece been pro-Palestinian in general in the 60s, 70s and 80s - preventing from Israelis from flying via ATH.

Yonatan operation is a big deal around here, and you'll be surprised to understand how many Israelis know that the terrorists boarded the plane in Athens Hellinikon.
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:15 am

Hi Jonathan,

nice report with many good pictures!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Airplane: A320-200 SX-OAU (built 2010)

I also flew on that one, IST-ATH last year.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Meal served about 30 min into the flight:

It's still nice to see such a meal on a short flight, but something seems to be missing in that main course container.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
No in flight entertainment at all. Let's say that 2 hours is reasonable flight time to pass without entertainment on regular flight, I wonder how OA is on the longer routes.

There aren't any longer routes left, they have been transferred to Aegean.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
I wonder how many of those cars were unnecessary since they were left here:

What a waste!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):

Well, look how the other side looks…disgusting:

I have to agree.


PH

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
nice report with many good pictures!

Thank you PH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
I also flew on that one, IST-ATH last year.

I remember, just read your report again. Look like your meal was better then mien.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
There aren't any longer routes left, they have been transferred to Aegean.

I think, that after the EU ban from merging OA & A3, they made an unwritten agreement: A3 will operate the longer European routes, and OA to have the domestic routes and shorts routes around Greece. Popular routes, like TLV, still operated by both.
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:19 am

Good report.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
with the FA addressing us before landing, said that according to Israeli low all passengers must remain seated during landing. Never heard of that, not in Israeli airlines or on foreign airlines, I need to check that out.

I've heard this on some airlines, and on others they turn on the seat belt sign early. It's an anti-hijacking thing, I imagine.
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:34 am

Hi Jonathan,

Interesting report on this new OA service to/from TLV. In your conclusion you say you are not impressed but from what I saw on your pics, I think OA did a decent enough job. Any idea how your homecarrier EL AL performs on these flights. Next time you go to Greece you can maybe do a comparison of both, that’ll be cool.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Another Greek jet

Bound for HER most probably.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Here is how easyjet boarding is done in Israel:

That’s not any different than in Europe  

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Brussels A319

That’s about the longest flight our A319’s do.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Olympic Airlines A340-300, sitting here for a while:

Sad sight with a lovely livery.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
A lot can be said about this pic nowadays:

You hit the nail on the head. I hope Greece will recover rather sooner than later.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Gates area – look how ugly the tubes in the celling are, look like they run out of money during construction:

You can call it ‘industrail architecture’. It’s also easier to fix if anything’s wrong, they don’t have to take the whole ceiling out.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
but no passengers next to it as they were still stuck in passport control:

Ha, what a sight. You must’ve had a big grin on your face, having used the biometric scan.

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:17 pm

Hi El-Al,

thanks for the report, a good insight into Olympic on a shorter international route.

Seems quite average, though the food doesn't look too good - at least the food on the ground in Greece looks delicious!

And I agree about the airport, there are so many these days that are carbon copies of each other. At least Stansted, over here, was designed to be fairly unique.

Good photos of Athens, and the old airport. A shame all those vehicles going to rust. I wonder if there are any plans for the old airport, a GA airport maybe?

Thanks again

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Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting signol (Reply 22):
I wonder if there are any plans for the old airport, a GA airport maybe?

Hey Signol,

I think they plan to turn the old airport into a park of some sort, but I don't know the specifics. I think they have built a basketball arena in the old airport grounds too, plus some other smaller arenas which now occupy part of what used to be the old runway (I think). It seems therefore that the future of HEW (whatever this may be) will not be linked to anything aviation-related...

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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:21 am

Thanks for posting! OA looks okay for these short-ish flights.
And always weird to see an abandoned airport!
 
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 20):
Good report.

Thank you CX. I still need to check this seating thing before landing out.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
Interesting report on this new OA service to/from TLV. In your conclusion you say you are not impressed but from what I saw on your pics, I think OA did a decent enough job.

Don't get me wrong, I also think that OA did a decent job. Yet, I think that it's better to give a good sandwich then a bad meal on this short flight. Giving me the hole beer can on the way back also shows that OA has a generous service moto.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
Any idea how your homecarrier EL AL performs on these flights. Next time you go to Greece you can maybe do a comparison of both, that’ll be cool.

I don't think so - LY is just about to axe TLV-ATH route, not making too much money I guess; LY can't compete OA offering connections to all parts of Greece and A3 offering connections to many European cities with usually good prices out of TLV.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
Bound for HER most probably.

Indeed, you can see it on the TLV FIDS.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
That’s not any different than in Europe

Half circle shape full of people pushing to board first? Interesting, when I flew FR boarding was usually done more or less with good manners.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
That’s about the longest flight our A319’s do.

This flght is reviued badly in Israel for not offering enough legroom for nearly 5 hours flight.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
You can call it ‘industrail architecture’. It’s also easier to fix if anything’s wrong, they don’t have to take the whole ceiling out

i know nothing about architecture, said that, I'll just call it cheap and ugly.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 21):
Ha, what a sight. You must’ve had a big grin on your face, having used the biometric scan.

It is really astonishing me over and over again why most people don't use it. It take just few minutes to issue and can save a lot of time.

Quoting signol (Reply 22):
thanks for the report, a good insight into Olympic on a shorter international route.

Thank you very much.

Quoting signol (Reply 22):
Seems quite average, though the food doesn't look too good - at least the food on the ground in Greece looks delicious!

Exactly.

Quoting signol (Reply 22):
Good photos of Athens, and the old airport. A shame all those vehicles going to rust. I wonder if there are any plans for the old airport, a GA airport maybe?
Quoting Widebodyroga (Reply 23):
I think they plan to turn the old airport into a park of some sort, but I don't know the specifics. I think they have built a basketball arena in the old airport grounds too, plus some other smaller arenas which now occupy part of what used to be the old runway (I think). It seems therefore that the future of HEW (whatever this may be) will not be linked to anything aviation-related...

I don't think the Greeks can afford themselves building something substantial over there, airport or anything else. Hellinikon will have to wait to better days.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 24):
Thanks for posting! OA looks okay for these short-ish flights.
And always weird to see an abandoned airport!

Thank you, always weird indeed.
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RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:05 am

nice TR. Thanks for posting!

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos