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BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:23 pm

Good Day one and all and thank you for clicking on my first every trip report.

After many years of sitting and watching this site, I finally decided to sign up just a couple of months ago with the original intention of writing a trip report on a KLM MD-11 Economy flight from Amsterdam to Montreal, returning on a British Airways 777 to London Heathrow in Club World. Unfortunately, this trip had to be cancelled at the very last minute due to unforeseen circumstances. I am still hoping to visit Montreal before christmas, so keep an eye out for my report.

So, I had nothing to write about. Until last week. As we all know, British Airways are using their Airbus A380 on crew familiarisation flights to Frankfurt. I had never been on an A380 and thought this was the perfect opportunity as I had no plans to be going to Los Angeles, Hong Kong or Johannesburg. Within moments of deciding I had wanted to go, I had the flights booked. I would be flying out to Frankfurt on the 06:45 A380 flight, returning on the 11:50 A319 flight in Club Europe on both sectors. Whilst I know the excitement of the BA A380 short haul flights has probably died down, and there's already a couple of trip reports up, it gives me something to write about and I will have finally contributed. Also, to my knowledge, I don't think there's a A380 Club WorldEurope trip up yet :P

So, the flights had been booked using Avios + £50 on the Tuesday and the flight was on Thursday so I did not have long to wait. Thursday morning arrived rather early with my alarm making lots of noise at 4am. A quick shower and a glance in my bag to make sure I had the essentials, I was out the house at 4.35. Somehow, despite using this bus regularly, I managed to mess up the time of my bus to T5 and so was standing at the bus stop for a good 20 minutes before one came at around 5am. It's a short journey to T5 of around 10 minutes or so and as my bus neared T5, I could see Lea parked up at C Gates. Although it seems BA haven't been doing very much with her, she has been a very busy girl with lots of training, test flights and virtual flights where 469 staff have been playing passengers, simulating flights to Los Angeles and Hong Kong. During this simulations they've tested boarding and disembarkation, cabin crew and flight crew procedures, the onboard service and putting the IFE system through its paces to ensure it can handle 469 people all wanting to do different things at the same time.



I got to the terminal at 5.15 and took the lift to departures. I had already checked in online the day before but of course wanted a proper boarding card, so printed it off using the self service machine. I've always known South Security to be the quietest, especially first thing in the morning, but today the electronic guides told me that north was todays best bet. So off I trotted to the other end of T5.



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A couple of minutes later, I strolled through the fast track lane, to be greeted by a line that wasn't very fast track at all. It's so typical of Heathrow to firstly not have enough staff to deal with anything, but secondly by sending people through the fast track who aren't entitled to it. This coupled with the fact that everyone in the line this morning seemed to have never been through airport security before made the process unnecessarily lengthy. I was sure to fill in a comments card.

I had intended to go to the South Galleries lounge in T5A, but as I was right next to the North Lounge and that at the early hours neither would be very busy, I went in for a coffee and a little bite to eat. Indeed it was very quiet and blissful compared to the bustle of the concourse. I found a lovely spot overlooking the domestic gates where a 767 was parked. I do love the 76's and am glad that BA are refitting them to keep them going for a few years. i was on a refitted one back from EDI a month or so ago and I do love the new short haul cabin.

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I didn't take any pictures of what I was eating (was obviously too hungry) but it was a simple mushroom and tomato roll, wasn't very nice either. I washed it down with an orange juice or a cup of coffee. I didn't take any pictures of the lounge as I didn't want to disturb other people's quiet time so please forgive me, but I'm sure there's plenty of pictures of the Galleries lounges on here  

They had the bars set up and the wines were available… at 5.45 in the morning? But no champagne. So I was unable to have a little champagne breakfast. I could probably have got some if I'd have asked, but there was seemingly no lounge staff around. As is to be expected from nearly everywhere these days, the coffee was awful.

Soon enough it was 6am and I thought I'd better make my way to C Gates. When I got to gate C57 at around 6:10, they were just starting the Club boarding.

BRITISH AIRWAYS 902
London LHR to Frankfurt FRA
Seat 14K
Departing Terminal 5 Thursday 8th August 2013 at 06:45
Arriving Terminal 2 Thursday 8th August 2013 at 09:30
Airbus A380-841
G-XLEA

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There she is, G-XLEA, British Airways' first Airbus A380. She's been a long time coming, and I'll forever refer to her as Lea.

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And looking from whence I'd come

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My arrival was perfect timing, so after a few shots ^^ off I went down the jet bridge and onto the aircraft. Boarding pass checked and I was quickly welcomed aboard. What a beauty this aircraft is. Off across to the other side and worked my way to 14K. We all now what BA's Club World seat looks like, and the vast majority of us like it. It's much the same but with a new cover. I'm not sure if I prefer it over the blue...



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Whilst they haven't changed much, they have improved the seat control panel by including a privacy screen button rather than having to feel about for the one on top for the crew.

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The only thing that differs from other aircraft in BA's long haul fleet is that the privacy screen is connected to the same power source as the power sockets in each seat, which is turned off for take off and landing. This means that you can longer put the screen up after the demo before take off and before landing it comes down and startles you, even though the crew make a PA to tell you it's going to happen. It's a little annoying, but nothing major.

Unfortunately, they haven't improved the armrests and even on this brand new bird, they feel wobbly already.



No report is complete without a legroom shot.

Normal welcome PA's were made from the cabin crew, but they did make a point of mentioning that it's a special A380 service and that they hope we enjoy the new A380 experience. Boarding was extremely quick, though the loads were extremely light, even if this had been on a 767 or A321, the plane would have hardly been filled. Club wasn't even half full and I doubt Traveller was either. The Captain came on introducing himself and his colleagues, and there were quite a few of them. Four flight crew making the most of this training flight to FRA along with a full cabin crew complement of 22. Minimum legal Cabin Crew count is 18 on the A380. The Flight Crew again mentioned it was a special A380 'treat' and he hoped that we were as excited as they were but he did say that as it's primarily a training flight, the upper deck was off limits and although we may want to see the aircraft, we were politely asked to remain in the cabin of our seat.

As we waited to depart, I couldn't help but notice how big the wings are.



I knew they were big, but looking at them here they look even more massive.

There was some confusion as to whether it was a manual or video Safety Demonstration, with my screen being popped out and then a few minutes late being put back in. Turns out it would be a manual demo, and after the doors were armed, the safety briefing began. Pushback was a few minutes late at 06:51 and we began what felt like an everlasting taxi to the other end of Heathrow. I think the departure runways were changed from 27L to 27R at the last minute as headed towards 27L until we got down by the hangars, turned left and then headed to 27R. Maybe someone can clarify if this was the case or are they the only taxiways capable of handling the A380 at LHR? Nonetheless, it was great to see the reflection of the aircraft in T5 as we taxied out.

I'm a firm believer in not using electronic devices or reading any books or newspapers during the critical phases of flight for the simple reason, it's a distraction. As proven on many occasions, you just don't know when it'll all go wrong without any warning at all and you should be paying your undivided attention to what's going on inside and outside the aircraft no matter how many times you fly.

Our take off roll commence at 07:15 and up we went. Now, I know we've been told this aircraft is quiet but you can't really get a sense of it from YouTube videos. However, this aircraft really is quiet. With takeoff power applied the change in the level of noise was minimal and the feeling of power was immense. Less than 30 seconds later we rotated and climbed gracefully into the sky.

Service commenced quickly with the usually hot towel and then straight into breakfast. There was the option of the Full English or continental breakfast and of course I chose the first one. I do love BA's short haul breakfast. It is miles better than the long haul offering.

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I finally got my champagne breakfast!!

During the boarding PA's, the cabin crew had already informed us that 'in line with other British Airways flights to Frankfurt, there would be no inflight entertainment on today's flight', but I was surprised and disappointed that they did not even have the map option available. It would have been nice to follow the aircrafts progress on the screens. Alas, the Speedmarque remained on the screen for the duration of the flight.

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After breakfast, it was time to sit back, relax and enjoy the ambiance of this beautiful aircraft. It really is a whispering giant! Whilst I love the 747, she is a bit loud whilst on this you can hold a conversation without struggling to hear what your seat mate is saying. The cabin lighting is also superb. Enough light without being intrusive. It will be fantastic on the long haul services in creating the right tone for the flight. It also changes gradually so no more being awoken for breakfast by the sudden change from darkness to the harsh bright light.

I do find the windows on the A380 a bit odd. Massive on the inside, but actually really quite small on the outside. They give the impression of letting in a lot of light, but don't give you a great field of vision.



A little visit to the toilets...





In flight retail was offered but I don't think there were any takers and the cabin crew also passed through for the comic relief collections. Soon enough we began our descent into a rather overcast FRA. Touch down was at 09:28 local time and we taxied to the gate. Again, another long taxi and we stood still for about 5 mins as apparently ATC didn't know which way they wanted to send us. But eventually we pulled onto stand at 09:48 18 minutes behind schedule parking in between an American 777 and a Delta 777. Unfortunately I was unable to get the reg's of either aircraft.

I said my goodbye's to the crew and trotted off to immigration. Being an EU citizen, it's a very easy affair. No questions and a very brief look at your passport and you're off. But they could be a little friendlier. The man might as well have thrown my passport back at me. Anyway, through that and past baggage claim. This part of FRA is a dive. Dark, dingy and depressing. Not what I was expecting at all! Obviously I had no bags so went straight through nothing to declare and back to check in where I used the self service machines to print off my boarding pass.

Off I went through immigration (which I don't understand about foreign airports, we don't do it in the UK, why do they do it everywhere else?) and then into the departure lounge. I made my way to the JAL lounge which is the one BA uses at FRA. It's quite small and not as fancy as the Galleries Lounge in T5 but it does it's job. I had some cold meats and cheese along with a glass of water and champagne whilst I carried on writing this report.

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I'd had the last of the bubbles and over half an hour later when I went back for another, the bottle hadn't been replaced. I also went to the toilet and left my seat. When I came back I sat somewhere else and the empty plates and glasses hadn't been cleared away even after some 30 minutes. Not a very good performance and not what I expected from JAL.

Speaking of the toilets, they're very Japanese. More buttons then the Club World seat!



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At 11.15 I made my way out of the lounge and headed to gate D3. Another thing I hate about euro airports is security at the gate. It means I have to get to the gate earlier and sit in that uncomfortable holding pen before the aircraft is ready rather than being able to sit in the lounge. It does annoy me so! As I left the lounge, I said goodbye to the lady at the front desk. She didn't even raise her head from whatever she was reading and the top of her head said goodbye in a very disinterested tone. Very bad show JAL!!

I got the gate and could see Lea was still on stand, although she still had another 10 minutes before her departure time. My flight back to London was meant to go from D1 but due to the late departure of the American 777 to Dallas, it was changed to D3. As I walked into the holding pen, the 777 was just pushing and behind it on the other side, I could see a BA A319 on a remote stand. I didn't know for sure if that was going to be my aircraft, but I would have felt confident in placing bets on it.

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Hometime!

Indeed it did turn out to be our aircraft and we were bussed over. No priority call for Club Europe though. Whatever happened to Club Europe getting their own bus?! Even if it's a flight not departing from base, I still expect it!

BRITISH AIRWAYS 907
Frankfurt FRA to London LHR
Seat 1A
Departing Thursday 8th August at 11:50
Arriving Thursday 8th August at 12:35
Airbus A319-131
G-EUPV

We arrived at the aircraft and everyone got off the bus. Boarding was from the forward and rear doors but you could just pick where you wanted to go. The ground staff should have been telling traveller customers to go the rear doors and club to the front but they just stood in the middle and did nothing. Because of the scrum, I was unable to get a clearer picture of the aircraft, but she was a little dirty.

Was welcomed at the door by a lovely Purser who welcomed me by name and to Club. Sat in my seat and got myself comfortable. Was a little while before the second bus load turned up. By this time it was 11:48 so evidently it wasn't going to be an on time departure today.

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Pushed back at 11:57 and again had a little taxiway tour. Entered runway 18 about a quarter of the way down and began our take off roll at 12:22.

Seatbelt sign went off at 10,000 feet and the drop down screens appeared showing the map. It was nice to have it on this flight. Hot towels had already been given out on the ground, so it was straight into the service, which I have to say I find a little odd. A choice of either a ham and cheese croissant or a meant and cheese platter. Erm, it's lunchtime?! However, I loved how the Purser presented both options so I could make an informed choice. In fact, the purser was excellent all round. Very attentive, yet not intrusive and used my name throughout.

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As you can see, I chose the second option. Despite finding it rather inappropriate for this time of the day I enjoyed it nonetheless. It was made even better by the champagne. Emer, the Purser, offered a second pastry to which I decline and then removed my tray offering me more champagne if I wanted it.

As we cruised along at 38,000 feet, I enjoyed my champers and continued to write this report, occasionally glancing at the moving map and out the window.

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The wrapper from the napkin and cutlery pack showing my home city  

We began our descent just to the North East of Bruges over the North Sea at 11:58 UK time. First Officer came on at 12:03 and gave us an update on our progress and where we were in the descent and to say we should be on the ground at 12:30 for an on time arrival at the gate at 12:35.

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The Olympic Stadium, always a great sight!

Indeed the FO was correct, smoothly touching down at half past the hour on 27R followed by a short taxi to another remote stand! At least here, disembarkation was done properly with a dedicated bus for Club Europe! Into the terminal, quickly through arrivals using the automated gates for biometric EU passport holders and then to the underground!

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All in all, a lovely day out on British Airways! I thoroughly enjoyed it although I do think they could look at the lunchtime offering. I would have loved to have spent longer in Frankfurt, though I had to be back in London in the afternoon. However, I am planning to fly to Stockholm on one of BA's 787's soon, so might try and combine a little Frankfurt night stop with that!

The A380 is a lovely machine and I hope to have the chance to try it out long haul sometime!

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I hope you've enjoyed reading my first trip report and I look forward to reading any comments and feedback you may have.

Take care!
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:54 am

Hello BAWairbus!  

Welcome to the Trip Report forum of a.net! I had a lot of fun reading your report. It is quite enjoyable. Thanks a lot for posting.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I'm a firm believer in not using electronic devices or reading any books or newspapers during the critical phases of flight for the simple reason, it's a distraction. As proven on many occasions, you just don't know when it'll all go wrong without any warning at all and you should be paying your undivided attention to what's going on inside and outside the aircraft no matter how many times you fly.

You are right! Lately I don't think about it and we all should.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
In flight retail was offered but I don't think there were any takers and the cabin crew also passed through for the comic relief collections.

What are comic relief collections?

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I said my goodbye's to the crew and trotted off to immigration. Being an EU citizen, it's a very easy affair. No questions and a very brief look at your passport and you're off. But they could be a little friendlier. The man might as well have thrown my passport back at me.

Oh, it is a pity the officer was unfriendly. I recently transited through FRA onto a flight to the U.S., and the emigration officers were kind and relaxed. I guess it is hit-and-miss.
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:52 am

Super report, thanks!

We did the same trip on Monday 5th August, the difference with is is that we went both ways on the A380, going out on the same BA902 and returning on the late afternoon BA911. Unfortunately we couldn't book ClubEurope on the outbound leg (we only booked the tickets late on the Sunday evening) so we flew to FRA in World Traveller, but we returned to LHR in Club.

I really like the subtle change in colour to the CW seat. The darker hues really lift the tone of the cabin.

The crew were wonderful on both sectors, and were really pleased to identify us as enthusiasts who had booked just to try out the new aircraft. I was amazed to observe some passengers onboard clearly not realising they were on the A380 until being told during the pre-flight announcement.

We were unable to see first class on the outbound leg, as the curtains were very firmly drawn and our requests to see it were politely declined. However, upon landing on the return leg we were invited by the CSD to view the first class cabin. It is slightly different to the 747/777 cabin, in that each seat is more private and offers the passenger a larger, more exclusive space - the biggest change being the addition of a cupboard for each passenger for stowage of carry on luggage. There were engineers from Airbus onboard with computers, so we clearly couldn't linger but I was deeply impressed by what I saw. (This explains why the curtains were so firmly drawn on the outbound leg)
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:52 pm

Hi BAWairbus

Thanks for sharing this report, I enjoyed reading it. Glad you got to experience the A380 in Club World on such a short route. I wish I was still in the UK to try it out. Maybe another time.
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:47 pm

Hi guys. Many thanks for reading and posting!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
What are comic relief collections?

These are the charity collections. BA's charity is called Flying Start, http://www.ba-flyingstart.com/ where they've partnered with Comic Relief. They raise money onboard for children in hardship around the world and the UK. I've donated quite a few times and what the money goes towards is truly wonderful.

Quoting vhtje (Reply 2):
I really like the subtle change in colour to the CW seat. The darker hues really lift the tone of the cabin.

It's certainly a nice little facelift, but I do think the cabin borders on monotone.

Quoting vhtje (Reply 2):
I was amazed to observe some passengers onboard clearly not realising they were on the A380 until being told during the pre-flight announcement.

So true, and even then some people were completely oblivious! No matter what aircraft they're on, you just won't be able to get some people to lift their head from the newspaper!

Quoting vhtje (Reply 2):
We were unable to see first class on the outbound leg

I too have seen the updated First cabin and love that they've increased the height of the seat frame to make it feel more private. It's a fantastic product anyway but these final tweaks have made it even more so!

Many thanks for your comments and I hope to contribute much more in the future!

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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:40 pm

Welcome BAWairbus....and what a way to start your trip report in BA's Club World on board their A380.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I don't think there's a A380 Club WorldEurope trip up yet :P

No I don't believe there is.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
She's been a long time coming, and I'll forever refer to her as Lea.

Nice way to remember this big girl!!

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
No report is complete without a legroom shot.

Looks cramped especially with your knees together that way!!

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I'm a firm believer in not using electronic devices or reading any books or newspapers during the critical phases of flight for the simple reason, it's a distraction.

I guess photography is allowed? I mean once you're up there isn't much to photography anyway lol..but yes I do understand what you are saying.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I do find the windows on the A380 a bit odd. Massive on the inside, but actually really quite small on the outside. They give the impression of letting in a lot of light, but don't give you a great field of vision.

I'm starting to think the A380 has this issue, while the Dreamliner has the windows that could be dimmed by FAs leaving you with no option to control it on your own....Thank you very much, but I'd rather have large windows to look out of like the 777 and shades that I can open and close when I want....(Yes the Dreamliner windows are the largest out there but what is the point if controlled by the FAs)

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
During this simulations they've tested boarding and disembarkation, cabin crew and flight crew procedures, the onboard service and putting the IFE system through its paces to ensure it can handle 469 people all wanting to do different things at the same time.
Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
During the boarding PA's, the cabin crew had already informed us that 'in line with other British Airways flights to Frankfurt, there would be no inflight entertainment on today's flight', but I was surprised and disappointed that they did not even have the map option available.

Or most probably there were glitches why they decided to not turn it on at all, not even the map. I am sure the map at least is available on other flights on this route?
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Hi flightsimboy, thanks for your thoughts.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 5):
Looks cramped especially with your knees together that way!!

I thought that when I uploaded it. Oops! But I can assure you the personal space is vast.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 5):
I guess photography is allowed?

As far as CAA regulations go, no it's not. All electronic devices, including cameras, iPads, Kindles etc have to be turned off for taxi, takeoff and landing even if flight mode is enabled. This rule is in the process of changing I believe. The CAA are permitting the use of handheld electronic devices and mobile phones after landing when the aircraft has left the runway now, but I still believe for everyone's sake, you shouldn't be fiddling about with gadgets. I did see some wonderful picture perfect moments as we taxied, but I chose to enjoy them first hand instead, even if it does deprive readers of the same pleasure  
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 5):
(Yes the Dreamliner windows are the largest out there but what is the point if controlled by the FAs)

I know this is indeed a function on the 787 but whilst it's been in service has anybody experienced this happening? Obviously some airlines require window shades to be open for take off and landing so the Cabin Crew would override it then but in the cruise? I know that at BA it's completely up to the passengers whether to leave the window shades open or not and I'm aware it will be the same on the 787. I would expect other airlines would do the same? If it ever happened to me I'd be complaining, both onboard and after landing. If enough people said something, airlines would change the policy.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 5):
Or most probably there were glitches why they decided to not turn it on at all, not even the map. I am sure the map at least is available on other flights on this route?

Unfortunately, I was made aware it's a limitation of the Thales system BA has on the A380. It's complete access to the IFE or nothing at all. They can't pick and choose what to make available. But you are correct, on the normal short haul Airbus aircraft and the 767, the map would be available on the overhead screens.

Thanks for reading,

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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:40 pm

Hi

Interesting report, glad you made it on the 380.

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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 6):

Electronic items including Mobiles and handheld electronic devices may now be used once the aircraft has turned off the runway - BA is the first airline in Europe to allow this.

Regarding window blinds, yes it is entirely up to the person sitting at the window if they choose to have them open or closed, however for the benefit of those passengers not able to sit at a window it is considered polite to close them if it is a night flight. It is a little selfish to have a window blind open at 4am when 1) The rest of the passengers are trying to sleep and 2) There is very little to see outside anyway.

In most cases, passengers fall asleep with the blind open, making it difficult for crew to close without leaning over them. A centrally located window blind button as on the 787 is ideal. If the passenger at the seat wants it open they can simply open it at their seat.
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 8):
Electronic items including Mobiles and handheld electronic devices may now be used once the aircraft has turned off the runway - BA is the first airline in Europe to allow this.


Indeed baexecutive, as I mentioned earlier the CAA have allowed this to be possible mainly due to BA's research. I just don't agree with it.  
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 9):

I don't agree with it either but the reality is that it is impossible to police without physically removing the items at security and return them once passengers get off the aircraft. All Cabin Crew can do is ask the passengers to turn items off, once out of view however, they are turned back on again in many cases.

How many times have you heard phones beeping etc after the AC lands before BA allowed this? Unfortunately the public today are more concerned about whatsapp et al than safety.
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 8):
It is a little selfish to have a window blind open at 4am when 1) The rest of the passengers are trying to sleep and 2) There is very little to see outside anyway.

How does a window shade open at 4am disturb the rest of the passengers...if anything the lights from the overhead panel might reflect in the glass of the window but nothing else lol....keeping it open during the day when all the others are shut closed might be an issue, but hardly not at 4am...

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 8):
In most cases, passengers fall asleep with the blind open, making it difficult for crew to close without leaning over them.

I once had a petite EK FA use a coat hanger to reach out and close the blind lol....I opened my eyes just in time to see the hangar right in front of my face...and this was just as the sun had just risen over the horizon, while I had fallen off to sleep with the shades up while it was still dark outside  
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 11):

4am or whenever the sun rises, but thank you for your pedantic response.
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting baexecutive (Reply 10):
I don't agree with it either but the reality is that it is impossible to police without physically removing the items at security and return them once passengers get off the aircraft. All Cabin Crew can do is ask the passengers to turn items off, once out of view however, they are turned back on again in many cases.

How many times have you heard phones beeping etc after the AC lands before BA allowed this? Unfortunately the public today are more concerned about whatsapp et al than safety.

I understand your concern, but how does it affect safety that I turn on my phone as soon as wheels are down? Interestingly though, I don't feel that urge when flying within the US and spending the entire flight online doing work and emails and stuff. Airlines should do what's right and have wifi in Europe as well. It's 2013 after all, it makes sense that most people will want to be connected, especially after hours of flying.
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:33 am

Nice report. I've done the A380 on this route and it's a great aircraft.

Regarding the taxiways at LHR, only certain ones are approved for A380 ops. Taxiway A & B, which loop around the central area, have a big section missing along the north side (T3 and T1 Ireland stands) where A380s are not cleared. So hence the rather roundabout route to get from T5 to 27R.
 
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 13):
I understand your concern, but how does it affect safety that I turn on my phone as soon as wheels are down?

DAL763ER, my issue with electronic devices is not for the safety of the aircraft. It's for your safety and the people sitting around you. If you're fiddling with your phone playing candy crush or whatever other nonsense app (or reading a book/newspaper or doing anything else) in the critical stages of flight and it all goes wrong, those vital seconds lost by you regaining your situational awareness could radically change the outcome of the event. Similarly when you're taxiing in, it's still a risky business and an evacuation could be necessary at any time.

Quoting eg777er (Reply 14):
Regarding the taxiways at LHR, only certain ones are approved for A380 ops. Taxiway A & B, which loop around the central area, have a big section missing along the north side (T3 and T1 Ireland stands) where A380s are not cleared. So hence the rather roundabout route to get from T5 to 27R.

Many thanks for the info eg777er and glad you enjoyed the report!!

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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:29 am

Hi BAWairbus,

Thanks for the really interesting trip report!

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
They had the bars set up and the wines were available… at 5.45 in the morning?

hehe I might have been one of those alcos that have enjoyed that at 6 am  

In my defence, I was connecting off a longhaul flight from Australia so goodness knows which timezone my head was in!

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I'll forever refer to her as Lea.

Nice, I'm going to adopt that  

It's a shame that BA don't name their aircraft. It's one thing that I like about Qantas. While some aircraft have generic names (e.g. the 73H fleet is named after places) I like how the A380s got real names, and how everyone - including the airline - refers to OQA as "Nancy" or "Nancy Bird". It humanises the flaghsip aircraft, which is why I like Lea.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I'm not sure if I prefer it over the blue

I hate to say it, but I prefer the blue. Presumably some designer or other told them that this was "contemporary"  
Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
However, this aircraft really is quiet. With takeoff power applied the change in the level of noise was minimal and the feeling of power was immense
Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
I do love BA's short haul breakfast. It is miles better than the long haul offering.

I couldn't say that I'm hugely enamoured by the metal foil and plastic tray - it kind of looks like a Y meal served with china and glass. I know that these flights are quite short, but it would be nice if they could plate the meals properly.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
Off I went through immigration (which I don't understand about foreign airports, we don't do it in the UK, why do they do it everywhere else?)

To the contrary, I don't know why the UK and USA don't   It's especially bizarre as they are both quite security conscious and have relatively tough immigration requirements, yet don't seem to keep tabs on who is leaving.

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):
The wrapper from the napkin and cutlery pack showing my home city

Which city is that? Liverpool?

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 9):
as I mentioned earlier the CAA have allowed this to be possible mainly due to BA's research. I just don't agree with it

I see what you mean about the potential for hishap during taxi, but airlines in other parts of the world have been doing this for donkeys and it has caused any issues. Once the aircraft has left the runway the potential for a situation is vastly reduced.

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 15):
If you're fiddling with your phone playing candy crush or whatever other nonsense app (or reading a book/newspaper or doing anything else) in the critical stages of flight and it all goes wrong, those vital seconds lost by you regaining your situational awareness could radically change the outcome of the event

You've definitely given me something to think about here. I'm often reading during takeoff (newspaper, not phone!) and hadn't actually considered this before.


Out of interest, do you know if the crew on the A380 were Worldwide or Mixed Fleet? From one of your photos it looks like the FA is wearing a hat, which would lend me to assume that it was MF, although it could just be that BA went all "BA Ambassador" for these special flights. I understand that both fleets will operate the aircraft on longhaul flights, so it would make sense that both were trained during the experience building program.

I hope you have a great time when you finally make it Montreal, I love that city. Will you be able to snag the MD-11 again?

I'm really looking forward to reading more of your trip reports  

Best wishes,
Alex
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:47 am

Hi RyanairGuru,

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
It's a shame that BA don't name their aircraft.

Oh! Tell me about it. I really cling on to the dream that they'll do it again one day!! I agree with you on the blue, if they'd have made the shade of blue a tad darker, that CW cabin would look even more amazing!

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
I couldn't say that I'm hugely enamoured by the metal foil and plastic tray

I know what you mean, but what can be done on a flight that's an hour long. On the longer European services, for example Prague, Vienna, St Petersburg etc, the hot dishes are in proper plates.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
Which city is that? Liverpool?

Indeed it is! It's little things like this that remind us all it's not just about London :P

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
Out of interest, do you know if the crew on the A380 were Worldwide or Mixed Fleet?

It was operated by Mixed Fleet, who I believe are doing all the FRA rotations. But when the aircraft starts doing long haul flights, all crews operating it regardless of fleet will be wearing hats. Mixed Fleet will be taking it to LAX and Worldwide to HKG and JNB.

Many thanks for reading and your comments   Unfortunately my second attempt at visiting Montreal also didn't take off. So I'm now postponing until next summer. I'm not sure if KLM will still be using the MD-11 on that route by then but I'm definitely gonna take one somewhere!!

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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Quoting BAWairbus (Thread starter):

However, this aircraft really is quiet. With takeoff power applied the change in the level of noise was minimal and the feeling of power was immense

I forgot to say before, I totally agree. Unfortunately I was only in Y, but given the different configuration between BA and QF I'm pretty certain that we were sitting in about the same spot. When I had to describe the engine sound to somebody I said that it sounded like someone had turned on a hair dryer at the very back of the cabin! It was that quiet, but the power was incredible!

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 17):
On the longer European services, for example Prague, Vienna, St Petersburg etc, the hot dishes are in proper plates

Good to know, thank you

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 17):
Mixed Fleet will be taking it to LAX and Worldwide to HKG and JNB

That's what I thought

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 17):
all crews operating it regardless of fleet will be wearing hats

Ooohhh, I hadn't heard that. I know somebody who will be spitting fire at the mere suggestion, although they currently aren't A380 trained so they're safe for now!

Quoting BAWairbus (Reply 17):
I'm not sure if KLM will still be using the MD-11 on that route by then but I'm definitely gonna take one somewhere!!

I'm sue that somebody else can provide you with more information, but I think they're gone in January!
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RE: BA A380 To Frankfurt In Club Europe

Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:48 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
but I think they're gone in January!

Phewww. Just checked the schedules and they're still expecting to have them on that route in May when I'm planning on going next! Panicked for a moment there! Haha

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