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"Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:14 am

BACKGROUND

There are now only a handful of services operated by British Airways involving a “double touch”, that is, a flight with a single flight number that makes an intermediate stop before landing at its final destination. Happily, some of the double touch flights operate to Caribbean destinations from London, and that’s where I went in June this year.

My ultimate destination wasn’t the Caribbean though. It was the US - Miami. Although depending on your perspective, some people may argue that Miami is part of the Caribbean. Having decided to route myself via Grand Cayman, regional flights to and from Miami would be with Cayman Airways, reports on these flights are covered here:

A Special Turtle's Birthday:Cayman Airways 733/DH6 (by palmjet Aug 10 2013 in Trip Reports)

British Airways flies to Grand Cayman 4 times a week, currently using B767-300s. It’s a route of nearly 8,000km from Heathrow and is the only regular scheduled long haul service out of the Cayman Islands. The 767 is the largest aircraft I saw operating into Owen Roberts International Airport. The flight first touches down in Nassau, Bahamas, before continuing to Grand Cayman. With the stop in Nassau, the total travel time is just over 12 hours. Thanks to a local spotter and enthusiast in Grand Cayman, I was able to find out that BA started flying to Grand Cayman sometime in the latter part of the 1990s although Nassau has been served for many years before that – I have a British Airways timetable from 1977 showing regular flights to Nassau using 707s and the occasional VC10 – oh happier days!

Nassau is used as mini hub for BA’s flights to its smaller Caribbean destinations with the B767 going on to Grand Cayman some days of the week, and other destinations such as Providenciales (Turks and Caicos) on other days.

This report features a review of flight BA253 in World Traveller (Y), the outbound service from London Heathrow to Grand Cayman, with a short stop in Nassau. Flights with BA were paid for with avios and I flew outbound in Y (and for completeness, back to London in Club World).

ROUTE

CHECK IN AND DEPARTURE

Seamless and stress free on this Saturday morning in June. I had used OLCI the day before and with a single bag to check in, I was through into the airside portion of Terminal 5 at Heathrow in no time. I headed for the Galleries North Lounge for some breakfast, as it had been a relatively early start, but certainly not akin to a “Markus-start”. The lounge was relatively busy but not overcrowded so still plenty of places to take up residence for an hour or so. This was the first time I had been into one of the Galleries lounge since BA changed its food contract. Rather alarmingly, they are now using the same company who my old employer had outsourced our staff canteen to, and who I can say with 5 years of experience of eating there, this was not a good move. The changes at the Galleries lounge seemed quite inconsequential but the bacon sandwiches were definitely not like they used to be.

With a croissant or two, I settled for a couple of coffees and some water/diet coke with my reading material.

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No gate information at this point, but no delays reported.

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I had a mate joining me on this flight, who would be coming down from Manchester and it was just after I arrived at the boarding area that he showed up, having made the transfer across from Terminal 1 in pretty good time.

Boarding was through the A gates this morning which was very convenient for passengers still in the main terminal concourse.

Pre-boarding and priority boarding then ensued. I was able to board along with the other Silver Card holders and made my way down the jet bridge and into the warm and welcoming arms of British Airways. Greeted at the door and ushered in, you can pretty much always be guaranteed of being welcomed onboard by the cabin crew on British Airways.

I made my way toward the rear of the aircraft, behind the wing - in the last Y section of this B767-336ER. As this was a day flight, and relatively not that long in length, I had chosen to fly BA in Y. Who needs a flat bed all the time?

Our neighbour was a company A320 off to somewhere closer than Grand Cayman.

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AIRCRAFT

G-BNWR would operate BA253 today. L/N 421, it joined British Airways new from Boeing in 1992.

This was one of the un-refurbished 767s. Rats. I was really hoping to sample BA’s newest Y cabin as I’ve not tried that yet.

The aircraft was expected to be almost full in Y, and that was indeed the case. The seat next to mine was occupied but the friendly chap agreed to swap with my mate after we departed, who was sitting in the same row but on the aisle seat of the middle row of 3. He was flying standby so seat allocations were always going to be tricky, but it worked out well in the end.

This wouldn’t be the first BA 767 I had flown on. My introduction to BA’s 767s was way back in January 1997 on a flight from Heathrow to Philadelphia. That flight was operated by G-BNWG.

From some internet research, BNWR flies to Grand Cayman quite a bit, along with Washington, Calgary, Hyderabad, Jeddah and Moscow so she gets to see quite a bit of the world.

LEAVING LONDON

Safety demo done on the small screens and some 30 minutes late pushing back (I can’t remember whether there was a reason communicated for the delay), we trundled out to RW27R, and joined a long-ish queue of other aircraft waiting to depart. In the meantime there was a nice welcome from the cockpit and some flight information, including the fact that we would be flying much further north than usual today. This would see us touch the southern part of Greenland before heading down over Newfoundland/Labrador (yay!) and all the way down the US East Coast. I could have kissed the captain at this point – that’s a much more interesting route than the one I took in 2011 from London to Miami, which was over 9 hours of ocean and nothing else to see outside until the high rise buildings of downtown Miami came into view. Yawn central.

We’re off to the sun!

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The “Evil One” (for Mr WideBodyRoga) and a well known 773ER for PlaneHunter in one frame.

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We followed a KU A300-600, 9K-AMA – definitely a Heathrow regular.

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Soon it was our turn and the heavily laden 767 took up quite a bit of runway before launching into the air. We climbed rapidly though and bounced our way initially through some of the lower lying puffy clouds. My Caribbean adventure had begun and a peg legged turtle pirate awaited me at the other end.

Something new and controversial in LHR during take off

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Past the QF A380 farm

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Terminal 5

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And through the clouds

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We made a right turn and started our northward trek, and about 25 minutes after take off, we were accompanied by this Delta A330 which appeared in an instant off to our left. We guessed it had originated somewhere on the continent – perhaps Amsterdam, and was also heading across the Atlantic along with a myriad of other airlines and types at this time of day. It was a very clear day and the A330 stayed with us for some time.

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Y Headphones and Cayman Islands immigration cards were handed out.

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A drinks and snack service was then offered as we were about to leave the UK mainland behind.

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I decided to stick with Diet Coke for now.

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LUNCH

Lunch was served once we were out over the Atlantic.

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There were two choices. I asked for the honey mustard chicken and some white wine. The other choice was a vegetarian risotto.

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Couscous starter

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Pear and Chocolate mousse for dessert

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Although the main course looked a little overcooked, it actually tasted very nice and was piping hot. The salad and dessert also complemented the meal nicely.

By the time lunch had finished, we were high over the Atlantic.

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Still a few hours to go to Nassau!

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IFE AND INFLIGHT

A small amenity pack was provided for the flight.

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Cabin view, about 4 hours into the flight.

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These old birds are in dire need of a refresh when it comes to IFE. Looking like something out of a museum, these IFE screens cannot be replaced soon enough. The picture quality is usually poor compared to what else is available out there today offered by other airlines.

I ended up watching “Identity Thief” which must rank up there as one of the dumbest movies my eyes have ever laid eyes on! Nothing else grabbed me, and working in the card business myself, I was curious to see how a movie could be made about credit card fraud and identity theft.

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On the flipside, our flight path today was very interesting. No boring ocean to look at for 9 hours. Firstly, we flew near Newfoundland and over Labrador.

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And down over New England, where the cloud cover increased for a while.

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And New York State – passing Albany and following the Hudson River down toward New York City

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The views were clear for part of the way down the US east coast.

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But unfortunately New York City was too shrouded in cloud and haze to see anything but it certainly more interesting than seeing miles of open ocean outside.

We flew over what appeared to be Norfolk, VA

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And then down parallel with the coast of Florida.

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AFTERNOON TEA – HOW VERY BRITISH!

Around 1.5 hours out of Nassau, afternoon tea was served. We’d never seen these revamped “picnic packs” before so they made a welcome change. Inside was a couple of sandwiches, a small container of water, and a scone with jam and clotted cream.

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Tea and coffee were also offered by the crew.

ARRIVAL INTO NASSAU

All that was left to do at this point was enjoy the views of the Bahamas as we got closer to the Island of New Providence, where Nassau is located. The colours of water down below were amazing blues and greens.

The odd single runway down below – wondered whether these little airstrips had been used in the past to fly all kinds of “things” into the USA? I kept thinking of James Bond films while looking down on these isolated runways.

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Getting lower and closer to Nassau with the speed brakes on

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Lining up with land in sight!

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Ship v plane?

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Short finals

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Even shorter finals and passing over the outer fringes of New Providence

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Some marshy land around the airport perimeter – mosquito central?!

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A smooth landing later, and we were on the ground on a very sultry humid Bahamian summer afternoon, dwarfing every other aircraft in sight. To greet us – a handful of US carriers and one Bahamasair 737-500.

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An American Eagle EM145 in the new colours landed just before us.

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END OF PART ONE
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:16 am

BAHAMAS TRANSIT

After we pulled into our gate and the jet bridge was attached, there was a flurry of activity as those leaving us here readied themselves to depart. For passengers continuing to Grand Cayman, we were asked to remain onboard. We were advised that the cleaners would shortly be onboard and if we could remain seated where possible to avoid slowing the cleaners down. The majority of passengers left us here.

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Some passengers in our section were continuing on to the Caymans. Most chatted amongst themselves. We busied ourselves doing a spot of spotting from the window. There seemed to be a number of small aircraft on the move, including a few Sky Bahamas SF340s. Overjoyed, I was also able to spot a few moving EMB Bandeirantes on the move. I haven’t seen one of these flying for over 15 years in Europe or Australia. The airport in Nassau is sizeable – two runways and multiple gates at the main terminal, with a separate domestic terminal.

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A couple of Bahamasair Dash 8s were also spotted, just to keep me happy

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I wanted to see if I could get a picture from the rear door of the aircraft, which was open, but there was always too much activity going on near the door and I didn’t want to get in the way of the cleaners or the crew. In any case, it was facing the sun so the picture would not have been particularly good anyway. The temperature outside was hovering just over 32C so a nice warm sunny summer’s day in the Bahamas.

HOPPING DOWN TO THE CAYMANS

British Airways have the right to carry passengers between Nassau and Grand Cayman – in fact, it’s the only airline link between the two destinations and neither Cayman Airways nor Bahamasair fly this route. Less than 10 passengers boarded.

The aircraft was secured after a ground time of just over 45 minutes and we were lightly loaded. A new crew joined us here too.

The Lynden D Pindling International Airport, while taxing out for our departure (the airport was named in 2006 after the first Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas).

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We departed without delay and launched into the late afternoon skies, getting some nice views of Nassau and New Providence on climb out. Thankfully no tropical storms to impede our departure.

Goodbye Nassau after a powerful take off.

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No food service on this last leg, which was scheduled to be approximately 1 hour 10 minutes. World Traveller passengers were offered juice or water by way of refreshment.

What was lacking in catering, was made up for by the amazing views outside!
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We would fly directly over the central part of Cuba before making our approach into Grand Cayman. It looked very familiar down there as we passed over the Jardines del Ray and Cayo Coco where I spent a week back in 2010.

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Over the interior of Cuba

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A near empty rear section for the last leg

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REACHING PARADISE

The last leg felt very quick, even though it had been a long day. We were soon descending into Grand Cayman, flying parallel with the northern part of the Island, before swinging around out to see and then back in over George Town, very similar to the route the Twin Otter would take me a week or so later.

Grand Cayman appearing off to my left

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Getting into position for our landing

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There were some nice views of George Town during the approach.

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before slamming down onto the runway to result in one of the roughest landings I’ve experienced. Whoa! Everything rattled and shook and a number of passengers looked around at each other and outside just to make sure the wings were still attached (and more importantly, the landing gear). The approach was very smooth – just the landing was rough.

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We rolled to the end of the runway – where it simply meets North Sound before turning around and heading back along the runway to our parking stand. There are no parallel taxiways here.

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It was a pleasant and warm afternoon when we stepped off the aircraft and headed down the steps to the terminal building. I thanked the (new) crew as I left via the L2 door. It gave me a chance to check the wheels were still attached (!) and also to take in the view of the 767 which had flown us all the way from London. I really like airports that are sans jet bridges.

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Front wheel still attached!

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Airside at GCM

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Immigration was efficient and in no time at all, we were through and waiting for our bags to come off. A short wait only and everything was delivered without any problems. Although the Cayman Island Dollar exists, most people seemed to transact in USD, so that’s what we did.

GRAND CAYMAN REFLECTIONS

Our overnight stay wasn’t far from Seven Mile Beach so the first thing to do after checking in was to go for a walk across to the beach. It was bliss, and so very relaxing as there were only a handful of people left on that part of the beach itself. 11 hours or so beforehand I had been surrounded by the noise, smell and energy of London. Now I was standing on one of the most gorgeous beaches in the Caribbean listening to the surf gently crash on the sand.

Modern day travel remains an amazing concept, even if most people today are pretty blasé about the way in which they travel and the airlines they fly with.

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We also timed it perfectly to capture that day’s sunset – and this was our welcome to Grand Cayman. Stunning.


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BA253 FLIGHT REVIEW SUMMARY

British Airways did a pretty good job on this flight. Although we were late leaving London, we seemed to make up most of the time and arrived into Grand Cayman without any significant delay. This particular B767 had not been refurbished, but the seats and seat pitch were comfortable enough even for a flight of this relative length: it must be one of the longer sectors operated by BA’s 767s today. The catering was also, in my view, above average and unexpectedly tasty for a transatlantic flight. Service onboard for the main sector between London and the Bahamas was efficient and polite. I wouldn’t say it was overly warm, but consistent and I’ve found that BA have always been pretty good at consistently delivering a good quality of service on all the flights I’ve had with them over the years in different cabins. The last sector was too short to get much of a feel for the crew but again, service was polite and efficient.

In any case, tomorrow would be another day and my first introduction to the most famous airborne pirate turtle in the world.
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:54 am

Hi there PJ, good to read part one of your series - although seems odd doing so about 3 months after the second part!! As usual, great pictures too.

Seems the weather wasn't too bad when you departed LHR that day. It was very rough when I left a few hours later. Probably some of the worst turbulence I'd experienced in the UK actually.

The BA 767 IFE looks pretty similar to the 747 I was on back in April - very 1990's! The new system is a step up though. Those afternoon tea boxes are pretty new also as I didn't get one on my flight.

Nice pictures from the Cayman Islands. Good routing you did there. I'd like to get back to the Caribbean but sitting on beaches for a week doesn't appeal - so when I go back to the USA I might try a routing like yours and just pop in for a day!

Looking forward to reading more.
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:31 pm

Hello JW

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Hi there PJ, good to read part one of your series - although seems odd doing so about 3 months after the second part!! As usual, great pictures too.

Thanks! Well, best laid plans and everything... but the second part of the trip was more interesting (for me) than the first so I had more motivation to complete that one first.

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Seems the weather wasn't too bad when you departed LHR that day. It was very rough when I left a few hours later. Probably some of the worst turbulence I'd experienced in the UK actually.

We were lucky to get above it before it got too bumpy that's for sure!

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The BA 767 IFE looks pretty similar to the 747 I was on back in April - very 1990's! The new system is a step up though. Those afternoon tea boxes are pretty new also as I didn't get one on my flight.

Yes, I've had the new system on the 773ER last year and it's light years ahead. BNWR was certainly very retro!

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Nice pictures from the Cayman Islands. Good routing you did there. I'd like to get back to the Caribbean but sitting on beaches for a week doesn't appeal - so when I go back to the USA I might try a routing like yours and just pop in for a day!

Thank you - there is lots you can do in the Caymans that does not require sitting on a beach for a week. Check it out. Routing via somewhere in the Caribbean was certainly more interesting than going direct.

Cheers mate!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:06 pm

Super report James! I've been waiting for this report - always nice to see a flight to the Carribean! Looks like you had a fairly good flight. Shame the palne was refurbished yet though. I flew a BA 767 to DXB a few years ago - it was a bit long in the tooth as well. Those overhead lockers just make the cabin look so old.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
There were two choices. I asked for the honey mustard chicken and some white wine. The other choice was a vegetarian risotto.

Looks tasty

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Around 1.5 hours out of Nassau, afternoon tea was served. We’d never seen these revamped “picnic packs” before so they made a welcome change. Inside was a couple of sandwiches, a small container of water, and a scone with jam and clotted cream.

Ha, that "hamper" looks ridiculous. So British! The contents look good though.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
No food service on this last leg, which was scheduled to be approximately 1 hour 10 minutes. World Traveller passengers were offered juice or water by way of refreshment.

Same as on the MCT-AUH leg. They should really offer a shorthual service on these legs, rather than just thorw a juice pack at you. I'm flying LGW-JER in a few weeks - I want to see how quick they can serve everyone on that 35 minute flight!
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Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:03 pm

Of all the Caribbean island I have been to, Grand Cayman remains my favourite.

I was there in 1980 and hope to go back this year.

How long was your flight from Nassau?

Meals on BA are excellent in Y. However I don't like the 31" legroom. Nor the huge fees on Avios mile awards to Europe.
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:17 pm

Hi Gab

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Super report James! I've been waiting for this report - always nice to see a flight to the Carribean! Looks like you had a fairly good flight. Shame the palne was refurbished yet though. I flew a BA 767 to DXB a few years ago - it was a bit long in the tooth as well. Those overhead lockers just make the cabin look so old.

Thanks for comments! Yeah, shame it was the old cabin and yes, those overhead bins make the plane look ancient (compared to a recent B738 on DY I took with the new Sky Interior).

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Ha, that "hamper" looks ridiculous. So British! The contents look good though.

Now now, where's your British patriotism? It was a nice touch. Fairly decent snack compared to what the competition offers on most transatlantic flights to the East Coast.

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Same as on the MCT-AUH leg. They should really offer a shorthual service on these legs, rather than just thorw a juice pack at you. I'm flying LGW-JER in a few weeks - I want to see how quick they can serve everyone on that 35 minute flight!

Some nuts would have been nice  

Thanks again for your comments.

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How long was your flight from Nassau?

As I said in the report, it was approximately 1 hour 10 mins.

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Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:38 pm

Hi, J.,

now that was for sure a great evening read. And you´re carribean pictures, superb.
I should go there somedays!.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Lounge for some breakfast, as it had been a relatively early start, but certainly not akin to a “Markus-start”.

Always these guy with the early departures!.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
round 1.5 hours out of Nassau, afternoon tea was served. We’d never seen these revamped “picnic packs” before so they made a welcome change. Inside was a couple of sandwiches, a small container of water, and a scone with jam and clotted cream.

Lovely and the perfect kind of tea!.

Looking for more, also when it will take some time, but definitely looking for more!.

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Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:26 pm

G'day James!

Great report about one of the more unusual BA routes!
The 767 looks like a fine bird to travel on, especially on these longer legs, as the cabin isnt as crowded as the 777 one.
The food also looks quite good as do the sunset pics of the beach on the Bahamas.

Thanks a lot for sharing!
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Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:09 am

Hello PalmJet!!!

Thank you for taking time and making the effort to show us an insightful trip report on one of the more infrequent routings here on the forum! I was very curious about local traffic rights between Nassau and GCM, so this might be an interesting option for me to try when I fly to the Caribbean in the spring! I really liked the look of the snack picnic basket! And your honey mustard chicken looked delicious!!! I always get hungry whilst reading these trip reports!!! lol!

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:35 am

Hi Palmjet, it's great to hear from you again!

I hope that you are well, even if it does sound like you have kept a punishing pace over the summer!

It's a shame that you didn't get a reconfigured aircraft, but BA look pretty decent on this sector. It looks like they have improved their catering, both in terms of quality and quantity, by a factor of gazillion since my flights from LHR-MIA and LHR-EWR last year. I'm pretty certain that the sized of both the main meal and snack have increased, and both look tasty. While the picnic hamper is perhaps a little twee, I think its great that they are offering scones in Y again. I can't remember that since the 90s!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
We flew over what appeared to be Norfolk, VA

I'm not sure if you were suggesting that the airport in the next photo was ORF, but if so then it isn't  
Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I really like airports that are sans jet bridges.

  

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11 hours or so beforehand I had been surrounded by the noise, smell and energy of London. Now I was standing on one of the most gorgeous beaches in the Caribbean listening to the surf gently crash on the sand

Wow, your pictures of Seven Mile Beach look stunning. And isn't it wonderful when you can jump on a plane and find yourself totally removed from reality? It's what keeps travel so fresh and exciting  
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Modern day travel remains an amazing concept, even if most people today are pretty blasé about the way in which they travel

Absolutely.


Thanks again, Palmjet. I'm really looking forward to reading about your return in Club World

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:39 am

Hi Palmjet,

Always nice to read one of your reports when I should be writing my own.   Enjoy those old unreconfigured Boeings while you can for the memories of old times. Pity about the meals. I mean HONEY mustard chicken or a vege risotto which probably contains FUNGUS ('shrooms). Terrible choices!  

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:23 pm

Thanks all for your comments -

Markus

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now that was for sure a great evening read. And you´re carribean pictures, superb.
I should go there somedays!.

Thanks for your comments. Hopefully you'll be booking your ticket to GCM soon!

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Always these guy with the early departures!.

You ARE the legend for that!!!

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Looking for more, also when it will take some time, but definitely looking for more!.

Thank you for your support - a couple more coming up. The backlog is being slowly cleared  

Hi Joannes

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Great report about one of the more unusual BA routes!
The 767 looks like a fine bird to travel on, especially on these longer legs, as the cabin isnt as crowded as the 777 one.
The food also looks quite good as do the sunset pics of the beach on the Bahamas.

Thanks for your comments. BA's route to Nassau and Grand Cayman has rarely featured here from memory, and yes, it's one of their more unusual ones - great for A.netters to sample. The 767 is a nice aircraft. I've always liked it and have fond memories of my flights on both the -200 and -300 over the years. Glad you enjoyed the pics - the sunset pic was taken in Grand Cayman though, not the Bahamas!

Hi AirAfreak

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Thank you for taking time and making the effort to show us an insightful trip report on one of the more infrequent routings here on the forum! I was very curious about local traffic rights between Nassau and GCM, so this might be an interesting option for me to try when I fly to the Caribbean in the spring! I really liked the look of the snack picnic basket! And your honey mustard chicken looked delicious!!! I always get hungry whilst reading these trip reports!!! lol!

Pleasure - glad you enjoyed and thank you for your comments. I was also intrigued that there are no local carriers flying between the two places, but I imagine that traffic is probably too low to make it profitable. How do people get from Nassau to Grand Cayman usually if not on BA? I guess that people might route themselves via MIA? Glad you enjoyed the food pics - lunch and afternoon tea were both very tasty.

Hi Alex

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I hope that you are well, even if it does sound like you have kept a punishing pace over the summer!

Thank you - yes all good here thanks. Not too much flying over the summer - not as much as I would have liked!

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It's a shame that you didn't get a reconfigured aircraft, but BA look pretty decent on this sector. It looks like they have improved their catering, both in terms of quality and quantity, by a factor of gazillion since my flights from LHR-MIA and LHR-EWR last year. I'm pretty certain that the sized of both the main meal and snack have increased, and both look tasty. While the picnic hamper is perhaps a little twee, I think its great that they are offering scones in Y again. I can't remember that since the 90s!

The catering was certainly much better than on my LHR-MIA flight with BA back in 2011. Scones for afternoon tea were a nice touch too.

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I'm not sure if you were suggesting that the airport in the next photo was ORF, but if so then it isn't

No, that's right. That airport wasn't ORF - it was a military airfield to begin with from memory.


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Wow, your pictures of Seven Mile Beach look stunning. And isn't it wonderful when you can jump on a plane and find yourself totally removed from reality? It's what keeps travel so fresh and exciting

Totally agree with you!

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Thanks again, Palmjet. I'm really looking forward to reading about your return in Club World

Thank you - the return was an overnight flight, but I will try and cover it soon.

Hey allrite

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Always nice to read one of your reports when I should be writing my own. Enjoy those old unreconfigured Boeings while you can for the memories of old times. Pity about the meals. I mean HONEY mustard chicken or a vege risotto which probably contains FUNGUS ('shrooms). Terrible choices!

I see our reports crossed each other almost with yours coming out today. I've started on it already but got distracted at the leg shot that you posted just for me!

Yeah fun times indeed on the old 767s. Once all the 787s are delivered we'll be saying bye bye to the 767s at BA. Meals? Well we can't all have satay chicken...   but actually the chicken tasted very nice. For a Y meal across the pond, it was very good. Much more generous portion than on AC last year too.

Thanks for your comments.
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:07 am

Hey palmjet! Nice to see you complete your "Carib" series. I must say I'm fairly impressed with BA. It's been some years since I last flew with them on a TATL but it seems that they have managed to maintain the same (fairly acceptable) level of service. If I didn't dislike connecting via LHR so much I would be choosing to fly with them more often.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
This would see us touch the southern part of Greenland before heading down over Newfoundland/Labrador (yay!) and all the way down the US East Coast. I could have kissed the captain at this point – that’s a much more interesting route than the one I took in 2011 from London to Miami, which was over 9 hours of ocean and nothing else to see outside until the high rise buildings of downtown Miami came into view. Yawn central.

That's one of the worst things about TATLs: nothing fun to look out the window. Your route however was indeed very interesting. Good thing the skies were clear enough for at least part of the way.

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The “Evil One” (for Mr WideBodyRoga) and a well known 773ER for PlaneHunter in one frame.

Ah how lovely. The Evil One is everywhere! I'm flying with them to SAN in a few weeks... Let's see how they treat me.

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we were accompanied by this Delta A330 which appeared in an instant off to our left. We guessed it had originated somewhere on the continent – perhaps Amsterdam, and was also heading across the Atlantic along with a myriad of other airlines and types at this time of day. It was a very clear day and the A330 stayed with us for some time.

How cool! I wish this happened more often. I love watching other aircraft fly alongside the aircraft I'm on...

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Although the main course looked a little overcooked, it actually tasted very nice and was piping hot. The salad and dessert also complemented the meal nicely.

I'm seriously impressed by this meal! Why can't US carriers offer food of such quality?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
We’d never seen these revamped “picnic packs” before so they made a welcome change. Inside was a couple of sandwiches, a small container of water, and a scone with jam and clotted cream.

Super cute! Love it!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The odd single runway down below – wondered whether these little airstrips had been used in the past to fly all kinds of “things” into the USA?

Haha, good point. I read a book recently about this. The amount of drugs shipped through these private islands to the US in the 80s and 90s is hard to believe.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The airport in Nassau is sizeable – two runways and multiple gates at the main terminal, with a separate domestic terminal.

The contrast between the "US" terminal and the domestic terminal is mind-boggling. While the former is a super-modern and impressive facility, the latter is borderline 3rd world.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 1):
What was lacking in catering, was made up for by the amazing views outside!

The best views I've ever had the opportunity to enjoy while flying were over the Bahamas. It's hard to beat those colors.

Thanks for another quality report, man. I really appreciate the effort you put and the attention to detail.

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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:50 pm

Hi James  

Nice report and always nice to see a BA Caribbean one. They look pretty decent and I have to say the meals look good for Y these days. I also like the fact that they still offer the afternoon tea with the clotted cream!

Some lovely warm beach pics too , something I am sure a lot of us could do with over the next coming months.  


Thanks for putting together .

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:25 pm

Nice pictures and report.
Just a word about catering, afternoon tea on long haul varies depending on the length of flight. Sometimes it's just a sandwich and a kitkat , no scones for example to New York.
The refurbished 767's look a bit more modern and certainly feel less cramped than the 787 in economy
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:29 pm

I must admit I not big fan of BA and given choice I would opt for lot of other carriers. Looking at your TR I am genuinely surprised. Y product on this sector does look fantastic. Those seats look very comfortable, food looks absolutely appetizing. Only a let down is BA's IFE which really does look like from 1990s.

You mentioned about crew change on 2nd leg/sector which is only 1.10hrs? What do they do with the crew which has flown from LHR? do they stay over at first destination? and which crew takes over for 2nd leg of the journey?

Overall very pleasant.

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:29 pm

Just to answer some of the questions from theaviator380 hope you don't mind palmjet!

The crew stay in Nassau and then do the "shuttle" to Gran Cayman or Providenciales and back to Nassau either the next day or the day after. Some crews will do 2 of these shuttles some do 1 and then return to London and some do no shuttles at all and just have 1 night in Nassau before returning to London. It depends on what day of the week they leave LHR.

The economy seats you can see are the ones that have been around for at least the last ten years. All new aircraft (A380, 787, 777-300 and some 777 that have been refurbished) have new economy seating.

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:49 pm

Quoting ajs123uk (Reply 17):

Thanks a lot, I got it now. Talking about seats, yes I have seen those blue seats in past, rather I have had one of those product when I traveled DEL-LHR on 777-200 in Jan earlier this year but somehow seats on that 767 looks better   hehe..may be just be being silly.
 
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:17 pm

Hi WBR

Thanks for your comments. Glad you enjoyed the report.

BA across the Atlantic this time were a positive surprise. I flew with them LHR-MIA in Y and the flight was less than impressive.

LHR is not so bad to disconnect these days - esp if you're flying through T5. C'mon - come back! There are loads of A.netters here too who would gladly take you out for a pint of beer should you choose to extend your transit time!

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That's one of the worst things about TATLs: nothing fun to look out the window. Your route however was indeed very interesting. Good thing the skies were clear enough for at least part of the way.

Tell me about it! It was an interesting route - for half the flight, we were flying over land and there was plenty to look at outside.

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Ah how lovely. The Evil One is everywhere! I'm flying with them to SAN in a few weeks... Let's see how they treat me.

Looking forward to hearing about it!

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I'm seriously impressed by this meal! Why can't US carriers offer food of such quality?

Good question - no money, or costs being spent in other areas of the business!

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Haha, good point. I read a book recently about this. The amount of drugs shipped through these private islands to the US in the 80s and 90s is hard to believe.

Interesting - each island we flew over, whether it looked inhabited or not, seemed to have a little runway.

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The contrast between the "US" terminal and the domestic terminal is mind-boggling. While the former is a super-modern and impressive facility, the latter is borderline 3rd world.

I read that the domestic facilities are to be renovated soon?

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The best views I've ever had the opportunity to enjoy while flying were over the Bahamas. It's hard to beat those colors.

Agreed - amazing sight outside. It kept me entertained for ages - I wished the flight was longer!

Thanks S for your comments.

Hi P

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Nice report and always nice to see a BA Caribbean one. They look pretty decent and I have to say the meals look good for Y these days. I also like the fact that they still offer the afternoon tea with the clotted cream!

Some lovely warm beach pics too , something I am sure a lot of us could do with over the next coming months.

Pleasure - glad you enjoyed. The meal was great. I should have taken a pic of the vegetarian option which my mate chose to be able to compare. They were good and the scone was super yum!

Hi ajs123uk

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Nice pictures and report.
Just a word about catering, afternoon tea on long haul varies depending on the length of flight. Sometimes it's just a sandwich and a kitkat , no scones for example to New York.
The refurbished 767's look a bit more modern and certainly feel less cramped than the 787 in economy

Thanks for your comments. I was glad to experience the longer sector afternoon tea in that case. I'd not seen the picnic boxes before and one of the crew said to us they were a fairly new introduction. Interesting point re the 787s! I'm yet to try either the refurb 767 or the 787 on BA.

Hi theaviator380

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I must admit I not big fan of BA and given choice I would opt for lot of other carriers. Looking at your TR I am genuinely surprised. Y product on this sector does look fantastic. Those seats look very comfortable, food looks absolutely appetizing. Only a let down is BA's IFE which really does look like from 1990s.

You mentioned about crew change on 2nd leg/sector which is only 1.10hrs? What do they do with the crew which has flown from LHR? do they stay over at first destination? and which crew takes over for 2nd leg of the journey?

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed and maybe you'll give BA a go. The IFE on this bird was ancient and thankfully, is on the way out. Not sure whether all the 767s are due to be refurb or not. It's pot luck at the moment whether you get one of the retro ones or a new refurb one!

Hi ajs123uk again - no of course not, feel free to comment!

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Just to answer some of the questions from theaviator380 hope you don't mind palmjet!

The crew stay in Nassau and then do the "shuttle" to Gran Cayman or Providenciales and back to Nassau either the next day or the day after. Some crews will do 2 of these shuttles some do 1 and then return to London and some do no shuttles at all and just have 1 night in Nassau before returning to London. It depends on what day of the week they leave LHR.

The economy seats you can see are the ones that have been around for at least the last ten years. All new aircraft (A380, 787, 777-300 and some 777 that have been refurbished) have new economy seating.

I was going to answer that one but you got there first. Nassau seems to be quite a base for BA for the crew in that regard. Thanks again for your additional comments.
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Very nice report. I enjoyed the photos and narration. I would also be happy if I didn't have to fly 9+hrs over the ocean. Grand Cayman looks like a nice place as does Bahamas, but for whatever odd reason, I have no desire to go to the Bahamas. I'm off to Cuba in a week so I'll be soaking the sun and having a few cold ones on the beach. Hopefully I can even write a TR for A.net.

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Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:32 am

Hi vio

Thanks for your comments. Glad you enjoyed the report. Enjoy Cuba - I really enjoyed it there and had a great holiday. Havana was especially interesting. Please write a report!

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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:39 pm

Hello palmjet,

Good to read about your travels to the Caribbean! BA seems to have delivered you there in good spirits: a good enough crew, a nice meal and rather good onboard cabin comfort despite the fact that this was an older type of cabin on the 767. Pardon me my ignorance but surely this aren’t the same 767’s they use to fly intra-Europe? Lovely pics as well throughout, I especially liked the approach ones with the turquoise waters!
Btw, any sign of Jack Sparrow  

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The %u201CEvil One%u201D (for Mr WideBodyRoga) and a well known 773ER for PlaneHunter in one frame.

‘The Evil One’ lol, I like that! And any idea if PH was aboard The Hobbit?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
British Airways have the right to carry passengers between Nassau and Grand Cayman – in fact, it’s the only airline link between the two destinations and neither Cayman Airways nor Bahamasair fly this route. Less than 10 passengers boarded.

How surprising! It would certainly qualify as an exotic 5th freedom flight in our books. Any idea aobout the pricing for that sector?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I really like airports that are sans jet bridges.

Me too, especially the ones like you arrived in: tropical heating beating you onto the tarmac in an instant.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Modern day travel remains an amazing concept, even if most people today are pretty blasé about the way in which they travel and the airlines they fly with.

I’m with you. No matter the class or airline for me, I’m easy to please & enjoy it all!

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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:52 pm

Hi James,

Nice read and pictures, thanks for sharing.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I made my way toward the rear of the aircraft, behind the wing - in the last Y section of this B767-336ER. As this was a day flight, and relatively not that long in length, I had chosen to fly BA in Y. Who needs a flat bed all the time?

- Indeed, there are a number of daytime flights which you just don't need the bed, though where possible I'd prefer the WTP option as a minimum just for a bit more space.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I really like airports that are sans jet bridges.

- So long as the weather is OK yes.

Looks like a pretty decent flight and the catering looked good too.

Cheers

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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:14 pm

Hello James,

Great report! Seems like BA did a very decent job on this flight. Some stunning views along the way, and what an interesting flight path indeed. The last few shots from the Grand Cayman looks beautiful indeed. I was wondering though - I was under the impression most more leisurely oriented flights mostly departed from LGW, how come these two destinations are served from LHR?

Thanks for sharing!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:26 am

Excellent TR again. Great read.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
There are now only a handful of services operated by British Airways involving a “double touch”, that is, a flight with a single flight number that makes an intermediate stop before landing at its final destination. Happily, some of the double touch flights operate to Caribbean destinations from London, and that’s where I went in June this year.

In the past BA operated LHR-MBJ-KIN-LHR, LGW-MBJ-KIN-LGW and LGW-KIN-MBJ-KIN-LGW. Way back in the day, it also stopped in NAS before continuing on to Jamaica as well. Presently they operate LGW-KIN-LGW with the B772s which will be increased to 4x weekly next year.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Something new and controversial in LHR during take off

New, controversial and boring IMO...

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Yawn central.

That is how I would describe IB's '' new '' livery as well.......   ....But again, it's just my opinion....

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
GRAND CAYMAN REFLECTIONS

Great photos of Grand Cayman as well. Overall another well done Trip Report.
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:44 pm

Hi Nils

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Good to read about your travels to the Caribbean! BA seems to have delivered you there in good spirits: a good enough crew, a nice meal and rather good onboard cabin comfort despite the fact that this was an older type of cabin on the 767. Pardon me my ignorance but surely this aren’t the same 767’s they use to fly intra-Europe? Lovely pics as well throughout, I especially liked the approach ones with the turquoise waters!
Btw, any sign of Jack Sparrow

Thank you! Yes, these are the same 767s which also sometimes fly within Europe as well. The waters around Nassau and Grand Cayman are the deepest of blues. Lovely. No sign of any pirates.... other than turtles dressed as pirates!

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How surprising! It would certainly qualify as an exotic 5th freedom flight in our books. Any idea aobout the pricing for that sector?

No idea sorry - I imagine the cost is pretty high if there is no competition on the route and it is only flown 4 times a week!

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Me too, especially the ones like you arrived in: tropical heating beating you onto the tarmac in an instant.

 

Thanks again!

Hi Mark

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Indeed, there are a number of daytime flights which you just don't need the bed, though where possible I'd prefer the WTP option as a minimum just for a bit more space.

Good to hear from you! Thanks for your comments. Agreed - WTP is a nicer option for day flights. I'll be in WTP next month to LAX so will get to see how that feels on a daytime flight.

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So long as the weather is OK yes.

Even when it's raining, that doesn't bother me - makes getting into the warm, cosy cabin that much more inviting!

Thanks for dropping by.

Hello Robert

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Great report! Seems like BA did a very decent job on this flight. Some stunning views along the way, and what an interesting flight path indeed. The last few shots from the Grand Cayman looks beautiful indeed. I was wondering though - I was under the impression most more leisurely oriented flights mostly departed from LGW, how come these two destinations are served from LHR?

They certainly did - this flight was more about the destinations than the airline and type but it was a lot of fun getting to the USA via Grand Cayman.

You'll see from the other post, that some Caribbean destinations are indeed served from LHR, rather than LGW. I know that for some of these destinations, BA has chopped and changed over the years between LGW and LHR for some flights. Grand Cayman, although a leisure destination for some, is actually a very premium destination as there are lots of UK expats living there, many of whom are wealthy and work in the financial services industry in the Caymans. The same goes for Bermuda, which is also served from LHR and not LGW.

Thanks again!

Hey airjamaica

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Excellent TR again. Great read.

Glad you enjoyed - thank you.

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In the past BA operated LHR-MBJ-KIN-LHR, LGW-MBJ-KIN-LGW and LGW-KIN-MBJ-KIN-LGW. Way back in the day, it also stopped in NAS before continuing on to Jamaica as well. Presently they operate LGW-KIN-LGW with the B772s which will be increased to 4x weekly next year.

Thanks for the info!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:27 am

Hi Palmjet,

great report with stunning pictures! Very nice to see a BA 763 long-haul review - the cabin still looks good enough.

I considered visiting Nassau during my recent Florida vacation, but we finally decided to fly to Freeport on Grand Bahama. It was just a day trip, but very enjoyable.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
The “Evil One” (for Mr WideBodyRoga) and a well known 773ER for PlaneHunter in one frame.

Nice shot!   

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
We followed a KU A300-600, 9K-AMA – definitely a Heathrow regular.

Flew on that one a while ago, nice.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Something new and controversial in LHR during take off

Lovely colors.  
Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Although the main course looked a little overcooked, it actually tasted very nice and was piping hot. The salad and dessert also complemented the meal nicely.

Quite impressive meal!

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
A couple of Bahamasair Dash 8s were also spotted, just to keep me happy

I had the pleasure to fly to FPO on one of them, enjoyed it.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 22):
And any idea if PH was aboard The Hobbit?

Negative, Nils!  




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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
We flew over what appeared to be Norfolk, VA

You did fly straight over ORF. But you would have needed a window in the bottom of the plane to see it.

Your first picture of an airfield should be NASA airfield Wallops Island, Virginia. There is a smaller spaceport along the beach that NASA uses to send off some of the smaller rockets to space.

Your next airport picture is Naval Air Station Oceana, of the US Navy, in the city of Virginia Beach. The very bottom left of that picture where the land starts to bend is right about where Cpt. James Smith first landed in 1607, before going up the James River to settle Jamestown.
 
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:48 am

Hi Palmjet,

Sorry for the late reply on this report, which I thoroughly enjoyed as always. Grand Cayman really does look like paradise!

Shame about you getting one of the old 767s on this Atlantic crossing, but despite that it looked to be a good flight. The meal you got looks tasty and generous. Plus of course, having those views to enjoy down the East coast were an added bonus, as you say, there’s nothing worse than looking out at water for the whole flight.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Y Headphones and Cayman Islands immigration cards were handed out.

I love the fact that Mr. Turtle even puts in an appearance on the landing card!

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We’d never seen these revamped “picnic packs” before so they made a welcome change. Inside was a couple of sandwiches, a small container of water, and a scone with jam and clotted cream.

How wonderfully British.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
British Airways have the right to carry passengers between Nassau and Grand Cayman – in fact, it’s the only airline link between the two destinations and neither Cayman Airways nor Bahamasair fly this route. Less than 10 passengers boarded.

Nice to see BA have traffic rights on this stretch. So often airlines don’t have them on such exotic stretches.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
11 hours or so beforehand I had been surrounded by the noise, smell and energy of London. Now I was standing on one of the most gorgeous beaches in the Caribbean listening to the surf gently crash on the sand.
Modern day travel remains an amazing concept, even if most people today are pretty blasé about the way in which they travel and the airlines they fly with.

That sums up perfectly the reason why I love flying. It never ceases to amaze me.

I really hope this wasn't your last report.........

Happy flying
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:39 pm

Hi PH

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great report with stunning pictures! Very nice to see a BA 763 long-haul review - the cabin still looks good enough.

Thanks for your comments and glad you enjoyed. There haven't been that many BA763 long haul reports lately - that's true.

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I considered visiting Nassau during my recent Florida vacation, but we finally decided to fly to Freeport on Grand Bahama. It was just a day trip, but very enjoyable.

Excellent - any chance of a report appearing on your day trip?

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Quite impressive meal!

Pretty good yes - I was pleasantly surprised with what we were offered.

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I had the pleasure to fly to FPO on one of them, enjoyed it.

Excellent!

Thanks again for taking the time to leave your comments.

Hi ocracoke

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You did fly straight over ORF. But you would have needed a window in the bottom of the plane to see it.

Thanks for that.

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Your first picture of an airfield should be NASA airfield Wallops Island, Virginia. There is a smaller spaceport along the beach that NASA uses to send off some of the smaller rockets to space.

Your next airport picture is Naval Air Station Oceana, of the US Navy, in the city of Virginia Beach. The very bottom left of that picture where the land starts to bend is right about where Cpt. James Smith first landed in 1607, before going up the James River to settle Jamestown.

How interesting. Every time I've flown over that part of the US, it's always been cloudy so it was good to be able to see something for once.

Cheers

Hi Hannah

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Sorry for the late reply on this report, which I thoroughly enjoyed as always. Grand Cayman really does look like paradise!

No problem! Thanks for taking the time to leave your comments. I wish I could have spent longer in Grand Cayman. There's always next time!

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Shame about you getting one of the old 767s on this Atlantic crossing, but despite that it looked to be a good flight. The meal you got looks tasty and generous. Plus of course, having those views to enjoy down the East coast were an added bonus, as you say, there’s nothing worse than looking out at water for the whole flight.

British Airways did a pretty good job, and I was delighted at our routing. Having done a LHR - MIA flight the year before, we saw nothing but ocean for nearly 9 hours. It was dire for those of us who love looking out of the window when we fly!!

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I love the fact that Mr. Turtle even puts in an appearance on the landing card!

He gets around!

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That sums up perfectly the reason why I love flying. It never ceases to amaze me.

Me too. I am glad there are still some of us around who don't take it all for granted!

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I really hope this wasn't your last report.........

I have another one in the pipeline at the moment, and then I am taking a break... We'll see but thanks for the vote of confidence!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Hello Palmjet,

Very nice report you made here, was looking forward to this one.. Sorry for the late reply!
Looks like BA took good care of you, the service and food looks good. Shame about the old interior and IFE though. Nevertheless it looks like you kept yourself entertained and got some good views down below.
You sure spotted some nice and interesting traffic at Nassau, something we don't see all too often  
Beautiful sunset pictures you made there at Grand Cayman. The perfect ending to a very nice day  
Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Flights with BA were paid for with avios and I flew outbound in Y (and for completeness, back to London in Club World).

Very nice, will there be a report on the return flight?

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
This would see us touch the southern part of Greenland before heading down over Newfoundland/Labrador (yay!) and all the way down the US East Coast.

Very lucky routing indeed, beats flying over the ocean during the whole flight. Shame you weren't seated on the right side though.

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
Cabin view, about 4 hours into the flight.

With those blue seats, it kind of looks like a KLM cabin. Or I might be daydreaming..

Quoting palmjet (Thread starter):
I ended up watching “Identity Thief” which must rank up there as one of the dumbest movies my eyes have ever laid eyes on

Indeed, such a horrible movie!

Thanks for sharing this excellent report Palmjet, well done  

cheers,

Brendan
 
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:04 pm

AS always, a wonderful TR! I don't get to fly British Airways as much as I would like to but I have always had a soft spot for them... I actually flew G-BNWR back in 1992 JFK-MAN and on the return a week or so later when she was only a few months old. You are correct, she has had a long and storied career all with the same airline! She didn't have PTVs back then but, like you, I found the seats and layout great! (My previous trip to Manchester two years earlier had been on the much-lamented L-1011 - also a great flight - but I found the B767 a worthy successor! Who needs three engines when two will more than do? Hard to believe that these planes are now reaching the end of their service life with BA...)

Actually, G-BNWR will never receive the updated BA cabin treatment you had hoped for because she was retired from the airline last month (November.) With a tear in my eye, I tracked her last flight from the UK to Goodyear in the desert. Sad but that's the way it goes. We tend to wax nostalgic about these amazing machines but the simple reality is that she worked exactly as advertised, operating tens of thousands of successful flights and transporting literally millions of passengers safely all around the world, including my flight from New York in 1992 near the beginning of her career to your flights to NAS/GCM near the end of her career.

I would guess the current NAS and GCM rotation is currently being operated by other B763s belonging to BA but in time this will likely become a B77E or B787 route. While there is little doubt IFE will be an upgrade over the old Boeings, I'm not sure the new planes will be any more comfortable... time will tell.

Thank you again for sharing your trip with us. I really have to get out to some of these places!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:16 am

Regarding your wish for a newly refurbished 767, don't worry, you didn't miss much.

Very little was done to bring them up to modern standards. Seat covers are now the same colour as those on the B773/B787/A380 and some of the older B777s but they are still the same old seats as before with the same Rockwell Collins IFE AVOD system. Club seats are also the first generation Flat beds but with a change of palette. Finally the over head lockers did receive a bit of a B777 style refresh but alas the capacity was not greatly enhanced!
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RE: "Double Touch": BA To Nassau And Grand Cayman

Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:41 pm

Hi Brendan

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Very nice report you made here, was looking forward to this one.. Sorry for the late reply!
Looks like BA took good care of you, the service and food looks good. Shame about the old interior and IFE though. Nevertheless it looks like you kept yourself entertained and got some good views down below.
You sure spotted some nice and interesting traffic at Nassau, something we don't see all too often
Beautiful sunset pictures you made there at Grand Cayman. The perfect ending to a very nice day

Thanks for your comments on this report. No worries. Nassau was interesting for a the short time I was there. I would like to go back and explore for a bit longer next time. Ditto for the Caymans. I really enjoyed the short stopover there.

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Very nice, will there be a report on the return flight?

Probably not at this point - it was a standard BA night flight in J - it was dark by the time we got to NAS from GCM.

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Very lucky routing indeed, beats flying over the ocean during the whole flight. Shame you weren't seated on the right side though.

I would have had the sun in my face for much of the journey being seated on the right - seats on the left were intentionally chosen as much better for pics too !

Thanks again Brendan and Merry Christmas to you.


Hi richierich

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AS always, a wonderful TR! I don't get to fly British Airways as much as I would like to but I have always had a soft spot for them... I actually flew G-BNWR back in 1992 JFK-MAN and on the return a week or so later when she was only a few months old. You are correct, she has had a long and storied career all with the same airline! She didn't have PTVs back then but, like you, I found the seats and layout great! (My previous trip to Manchester two years earlier had been on the much-lamented L-1011 - also a great flight - but I found the B767 a worthy successor! Who needs three engines when two will more than do? Hard to believe that these planes are now reaching the end of their service life with BA...)

Thanks very much. BNWR certainly has done a lot of time with BA. Sad that she has recently left the fleet too. I wonder where he next adventure will be? Is there a market for second hand RR B767s?

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Thank you again for sharing your trip with us. I really have to get out to some of these places!

Life is short and yes! Go for it.

Hi tonystan

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Regarding your wish for a newly refurbished 767, don't worry, you didn't miss much.

Very little was done to bring them up to modern standards. Seat covers are now the same colour as those on the B773/B787/A380 and some of the older B777s but they are still the same old seats as before with the same Rockwell Collins IFE AVOD system. Club seats are also the first generation Flat beds but with a change of palette. Finally the over head lockers did receive a bit of a B777 style refresh but alas the capacity was not greatly enhanced!

I wanted to see what the refurb was like more for my own curiosity than anything else. The J seat on the way home was very comfy. Thanks for your comments. P/J
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