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Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:21 pm

Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL to London



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Hi!

Thanks for tuning into my third and final instalment from my landmark trip to my 100th visited country, Panama. After a few excellent days in Boquete, it was time to head back to London. I’d be taking an overnight bus back to Panama City, before flying United to Newark, then Lufthansa to Amsterdam via Frankfurt, then finally KLM to Heathrow.

My route back to LHR, courtesy of GC Mapper


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The entire route


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The flights I took on my trip




KL LHR-AMS E190
UA AMS-EWR B763
UA EWR-IAH B764
UA IAH-PTY B739

7P PAC-CZJ BN2
7P CZJ-PAC BN2

UA PTY-EWR B739
LH EWR-FRA B744
LH FRA-AMS A320
KL AMS-LHR B73G

Onto the Report



From Boquete, I took an ageing school bus to David, where I switched to an overnight coach to Panama City. I arrived in PC at 4am, so plenty of time to get to PTY for my 0949 flight to EWR. The guide books warn about the painfully slow public bus to the airport. As I had so much time, I thought I’d save the taxi money and go with the public bus. Some 2 hours and 30km later, I was dropped off a short walk from the terminal.
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I was hoping that I’d be able to check in with Copa, UA’s Panamanian partner, but was told that I’d have to use the UA desks, and they’d only open 2 hours or so before the flight. The UA desks were hidden away in the far corner of the terminal. A few other people were assembled when I got there, a good 3.5 hours before take off.

Around 2.5 hours before departure, the ground crew started to slowly set up the check in area. Everyone that had neatly lined up in front of the desks were asked to move around to have their documents checked, before filing back into the same lines as before.

Finally, 2 hours before scheduled wheels up, the desks opened. I was first in line at the *G line, so ended up being seen first. By this stage, the line for both the EWR and IAH flights had been growing behind me, and there were now some ~250 people in the line behind me. Why on earth they didn’t open check in earlier, I don’t know.



My request for a Y+ seat was refused as “Star Gold aren’t entitled to those seats for free”… shame, as it wasn’t an issue in AMS or IAH. On the plane I saw a girl from the overnight bus sat in Y+…she said she’d been reassigned there from her booked seat at the back….she was NOT *Gold!

There seemed to be some issues with screening bags behind the scenes, as there were massive piles of them being laid out next to a giant scanner next to the UA desks.


Thankfully, by bags were tagged quickly, and I was given my boarding passes all the way through to Amsterdam, so headed off through security, leaving the massive line behind me.

My impressions of PTY airside weren’t great. The place was really busy, and the price of food quite shocking. I didn’t wander around for long, and was soon in the Copa Club.
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There were two shower rooms, which after an overnight bus journey, and a +2 hour wait by the check in desks, was very welcome.


With my shower done, it was time for breakfast. The choice was nearly identical to that in IAH. If you don’t eat carbs, you’re not going to be happy!


Like in the dowdy UA clubs in the States, things like coke can only be found behind the manned bars. Seeing as I was still in rum country, I had a final rum & coke.
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The busy lounge, it took a few laps to find an empty seat. There were some nice views from the windows, but the seats over there were all full of sleeping passengers.


I headed down to the gate with plenty of time to go through the extra US security (quick interview, then another security scan).
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Boarding started at 0915, with group 2 (that’s me!) being allowed on at 0920.
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March 2014
Panama City (PTY) – Newark (EWR)
United UA 1022
Scheduled: 0949-1502 (5h13m)
Actual: 1037-1519 (4h42m)
Boeing 737-900 N27477
Economy Class

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My seat. No PTVs this time, but when the content is 100% BOB, it’s not a problem anyway.
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Safety card
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Hemispheres
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Midway through boarding, the middle seat was taken by lady whose husband was seated a few rows further forward next to the window. I thought I’d try and earn some karma points so offered to swap with the husband – they were very grateful. I was now sat a few rows further forward on the opposite side.
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Sadly the karma backfired a bit as my new neighbours were an extended family whose parents were far more interested in playing with their iPads than entertaining their children on ensuring that they weren’t being a complete nightmare for the other passengers. A kind reminder to all of you reading this that travel with children….keep your children entertained and out of the way of other passengers before you entertain yourself. This is public transport, not your private people carrier.

Despite boarding roughly on time, there was a steady drip feed of passengers boarding well past our original STD. No doubt they were stuck in the gigantic check in line. Pushback was at 1030, and we finally took off at a few minutes later.
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My customs form
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There’s not a lot of say about this flight. Complimentary soft drinks were doled out. I napped. The kids shouted and screamed and kicked the seats and left gunky handprints on the windows and drew on the tray tables. The parents watched films on their iPad.

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It’s a cool day back in NJ
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Welcome back to terra firma
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Thanks to our delayed departure, we arrived at the gate a little late.
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Sadly, unlike my last time arriving in EWR, today was a busier. Still, immigration only entailed a 10 minute wait (and then a fairly pleasant immigration officer). The wait for bags, however, was particularly slow, taking a further half hour before being able to wheel them past customs. I sort of understand why transit passengers have to go through immigration, but why should a bag on a direct international-international transit have to go through customs?

By the time my bag appeared, I was just inside the cut off point to be able to drop my bag at the reconnection point in Terminal C, before getting the train over to Terminal B where LH operates from.
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On the little transit train
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Despite having already been issued my LH boarding pass in PTY, I thought I’d go past the LH desks and see if there were any cheap upgrade offers to C. Sadly there weren’t. On the plus side, I was given a fast track sticker for security, which helped me jump a particularly long line.

Once through security, I had around an hour before boarding started. I was lucky to be passing through EWR just a few months after the new LH lounge was opened. The Star Gold/Senator side of the lounge was pretty busy, so I couldn’t get a window, but found a table near the buffet. Compared to the Spartan offerings at the UA/CM lounges, the food and drink in here was excellent. The buffet was tasty and varied.
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Champagne too!


SK also have a lounge in EWR, so i went over for a quick look. It seemed a lot bigger than the LH one, although probably as it’s not been split in two like the LH one. The décor was quite a bit older though. I got an espresso, then headed back to LH.
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BA from the SK lounge
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45 minutes before our STD, boarding started


I chose to fly LH over UA as there was a B747 operating, rather than UA’s 767/777. You can get some great views at EWR.
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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:21 pm

March 2014
Newark (EWR) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Lufthansa LH 403
Scheduled: 1810-0745 (7h35m)
Actual: 1835-0716 (6h41m)
Boeing 747-400 D-ABTH “Duisburg” previously in the Star Alliance livery
Economy Class

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I’d chosen a window in the second row of economy….a close call to missing out altogether! In the end it wasn’t too bad, as I had a good surface to lean on during the night.
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After the UA Y+ flight from AMS to EWR, the pitch on LH felt really tight, although the cabin was much newer and brighter.
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The cabin gradually filled up – I didn’t see any empty seats in Y.

Safety demo
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FI pulled up as we were leaving
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Not too far behind scheduled, we headed off across the pond. I was quite surprised that there was almost no delay on the taxiway. I thought EWR at 6pm would be a congestion nightmare.
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This evening’s film choice is Captain Philips. The IFE was started before pushback.
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35 minutes after take off, aperitifs are served. I was beginning to regret my choice of LH over UA…there was just NO space! The lack of window indentation, plus having a large lady sat in the middle seat meant there was just no room to manoeuvre one’s arms. Extending the tray table full, and it was rammed right into me  

To persuade myself that LH was the correct choice of overnight hotel, I ordered my usual G&T, something not available in UA Y.
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First Class? If only!
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40 minutes after drinks were served, dinner was doled out. There was a choice, but I can’t remember what the other was….here’s a the chicken and rice dish, which was quite acceptable. The cake wasn’t very nice.
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As you can see, I ate with only half the table open, so I could still breathe. Of course (thankfully after I finished eating) I managed to knock the tray off. Picking stuff off the floor was near impossible. Are these the tightest Y seats in the sky? I’ve flown LH Y before quite a few times on the A343/A346/A380 and never been so awfully cramped.
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Our progress on the map
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With the trays finally cleared away, and the lights dimmed, I was able to get a few uncomfortable hours of sleep.
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Good morning Europe!
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Can you drop me off here?!
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There was a light breakfast served, but I seem to have not taken a photo. It was clearly forgettable, as I have forgotten what it was. I imagine something very light and unheated.
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Early morning connections were shown on the PTVs
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And finally Frankfurt comes into sight.
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We parked up on the A pier
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The bulkhead row upon disembarkation
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The slopey business class. Normally I avoid slopey business seats, but I’m sure it’d have been far more comfortable than the prison-like seats down the back.
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Hasta Luego


I had just a one hour scheduled connection before my AMS flight. Luckily the EWR flight was a little early, so I had time to hunt down the Senator lounge, and eat a light breakfast and have a very welcome shower.
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The gate for my AMS flight happened to be right next to the one the EWR flight arrived at. D-AIUB also happened to be the newest plane in the LH inventory, being just a month old, and my second sharkletted A32S after B-9950 last summer.
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March 2014
Frankfurt (FRA) – Amsterdam (AMS)
Lufthansa LH 988
Scheduled: 0845-1000 (1h15m)
Actual: 0857-0944 (0h47m)
Airbus A320 D-AIUB
Economy Class

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Compared to the cramped seats of the 744, this A320 felt so spacious in comparison. It seems to be a full load this morning. Most of the middle seats seemed to be filled with a school group. I guess neither LH nor the school decided to either allocate group seating, or check in online, so the kids were left with the dregs scattered throughout the cabin.

My EWR flight next door
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We got de-iced
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Up and away on the sunny spring morning
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Breakfast this morning was a choice of flavoured yoghurts, which was quite ok. Water and diet coke to go with it.
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We’ve hit the Dutch coastline
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And we’re down, welcome to the Netherlands
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Plenty of Blue around
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The terminal is quite empty this morning, and the trip to baggage reclaim is a simple one.
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As my tickets were booked separately, I didn’t want too short a connection in AMS in case my LH flight was late. The question was, how long a gap should I book? In the end, thanks to hesitating and letting some of the midday flights book up, I ended up with a nearly 10 hour stopover.

As I was tired, I thought I’d try my luck at getting on an earlier flight. The lady at the KLM ticketing desk was friendly and helpful, but the best she could do was offer a switch to a lunchtime LCY flight for an EUR 80 change fee. I decided to stick with my original 5pm flight and spend the day in Amsterdam. The sun was shining after all.

I headed over to check in, dropped off my bag, then went to the train station. There was some work going on on the mainline, so there were no trains running from the airport – time for a replacement bus half the way.

I love how there are so many planes parked right next to the main north-south motorway.
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You know you’re in Amsterdam when you’re greeted with this many bikes parked outside the central station!
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A few photos from Amsterdam!
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Time to head back to the airport
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With time to burn, I went up for a look at the viewing terrace
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Back inside, security was quick, and I was soon in the KLM Crown Lounge. Being the afternoon rush, the lounge was pretty busy. I ended up being sat at the far end of the lounge. One of the major downfalls of this lounge is that there are basically only two “feeding areas”, one when you enter, and another in a far corner, ironically enough, the opposite corner to which I found a seat. Having spent all morning walking around Amsterdam, I wanted some water and a coke or two. I walk to the main feeding area…drinking machines broken, so I had to go all the way to the far feeding point. Return distance from my seat, a good 150m….for a glass of water?! Not cool KLM!

After I got home, I wrote to KLM about this, advocating the installation of mini fridges throughout the lounge akin to those in BA lounges – one shouldn’t have to go on an expedition to get a glass of water. I also said there should be a roped off section for Flying Blue Platinum members seeing as there is just a one size fits (or doesn’t fit) all lounge for all eligible Skyteam passengers - their best customers shouldn’t have to go hunting for a seat. I got a call from KL customer services a few days later thanking me for my comments, saying that they would consider them. Watch this space!

Thankfully the lounge soon began to empty out, so I was able to move from my distant seat, to one within commuting distance of a drink.
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The computers were unbelievably slow.
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Thankfully, my connection was drawing to a close. I got down to the gate mid-boarding. I was delighted to hear a beep as my boarding pass was scanned…an opup! Wonderful! Shame it was for such a short flight though.
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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:22 pm

March 2014
Amsterdam (AMS) – London Heathrow (LHR)
KLM KL 1031
Scheduled: 1735-1755 (1h20m)
Actual: 1743-1727 (0h51m)
Embraer 190-100LR PH-BGE “Ortolaan”
Business Class

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This afternoon’s flight seemed pretty full – I guess Y was overbooked, and there was just one seat left in business. Interestingly, the guy sat in 1C also seemed to have been op-upped even though he was travelling with a group of friends. As 1A was empty, the very nice purser asked if he wanted to invite one of his friends up to join him, which he promptly went and did. It was his friend’s first time in business, and eavesdropping on his thoughts and feelings about it all were quite entertaining!
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Leaving the mainland
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14 minutes after wheels up, dinner was served. It was pretty nice for a short hop.
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Menus were hidden under the cutlery packet. The cover was a nice vintage photo. Sadly this didn’t mirror my dining experience.
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The wine list
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All three meals were shown on the same menu. Breakfast and lunch
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And finally dinner. No choice this evening.
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Still being on a rum-based holiday, I went with a Bacardi and coke. I was given two bottles without asking, despite the KLM Herald stipulating that drinks will be served one at a time.
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Murky views over London today
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This was the first time I saw the Philippines Airlines 77W at LHR…they only started MNL flights recently. LHR-MNL is the longest scheduled nonstop from the UK.
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Lines for immigration were pretty long, but I was through into baggage reclaim within fifteen minutes.


Plenty of AMS flights to choose from


My bag made it over the Channel. Onto the tube I go, and off home.

So, what did I think?



United were ok. The relatively late opening of check in was a pain, the lounge bland, and the flight unnoteworthy. A thoroughly plain experience. (please excuse the pun)

The Lufthansa 744 flight was incredibly cramped and uncomfortable. I’ll be staying well clear of those work horses in the future. The crew were good though, and it was nice to tick off anther wingletted A320 on the way to AMS.

KLM were a nice finale to my trip. I think the Crown Lounge could do with a serious overhaul, with plenty of drinks stations added. The op up was great, however. Thanks for that!

Go on, Visit Panama!

As always, all comments and questions welcome, and thanks for reading about my latest trip!



Since my Panama trip, I’ve done a fair bit more flying. Report writing does take it’s toll though, and not many of these trips will be immortalised online. I’ve just got back from a rather good trip to Belarus and South America. Hopefully this will be out soon!

BA J LHR-WAW A320
LH J MSQ-FRA E190
LH F FRA-EZE B744
AR Y MVD-AEP E190
AR Y AEP-ASU B73G
AR Y IGR-EZE B738
AR Y EZE-CUN A343
9N Y PLJ-MYF C208
40 Y CTM-MEX A320
LH J MEX-FRA B748i
LH J FRA-LCY E190

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Some of my other TRs:



Panama 2! Air Panama Islander to the Caribbean Sea
Panama! Country #100! KL & UA LHR-AMS-EWR-IAH-PTY
Burmese Days 4: Back to London in Saudia Business Class
Burmese Days 3: Around Burma with Air KBZ
Burmese Days 2: Malaysia Airlines KUL-RGN
Burmese Days 1: BA & SV LHR-FCO-RUH-KUL & T2 Pics
LAN 787 in Business MAD-FRA, and some hops around Germany on AB
#8: Finnair back to London. PEK-HEL-LHR A330 & A321
#7: Air Koryo. Flying the IL76, Tu154, & Tu204 back to Beijing
#6: Air Koryo. Flying the Tu134, An24, An148 & IL62
#5: Air Koryo takes me North. Tu 204 & IL 18 to Pyongyang and Mt Paeku
#4: Kungfu China. FM SHA-CGO & MU LYA-PEK
#3: JAL Osaka-Shanghai, & The Chinese Bullet Train
#2: ANA & Peach. B747-400D HND-CTS-KIX + Hokkaido trains
#1: The Reindeer Route to Tokyo. AY 320 & JL 787
Jetstreaming to Anglesey with Citywing CWL-VLY-CWL
The Norwegian 787 Dreamtour – LGW-OSL-LGW
East Meets West with Cityjet. Inaugural LCY-DRS, NUE-LCY
Auf Wiedersehen FTL! LH/LO/OS LHR-DUS-WAW-VIE-LHR
Off to Zimbabwe, Part 3: Etihad JNB-AUH-LHR
Off to Zimbabwe, Part 2. BA/Comair, JNB-HRE, LVI-JNB
Off to Zimbabwe, Part 1. EI & EY, BHX-DUB-MAN-AUH-JNB
La Dolce Vita with Alitalia, Part 3, BDS-LIN-LHR
La Dolce Vita with Alitalia, Part 2. MXP-NRT-FCO-BRI
La Dolce Vita with Alitalia, Part 1. LHR-FCO-GOA
Dubrovnik with British Airways. Club on the B734
Autumn Asia Part 10: Take me home Saudia! DEL-RUH-LHR B777
Autumn Asia Part 9: Air India 787. Calcutta - Delhi
Autumn Asia Part 8: United Airways DAC-ZYL, Jet Airways DAC-CCU
Autumn Asia Part 7: Going Beyond Expectations. MH KUL-DAC on the A330
Autumn Asia Part 6: Silk Air and Firefly around the Malay Peninsula. SIN-LGK-SZB
Autumn Asia Part 5: Fine Dining on Scoot. TPE-SIN on the 777
Autumn Asia Part 4: First with Cathay Pacific: HKG-TPE F on the B744
Autumn Asia Part 3: Around China with KN, MU & CN
Autumn Asia Part 2: JALing it to Beijing. JL HND-PEK 772 Business
Autumn Asia Part 1: Limoncello with Alitalia. BA/AZ LHR-MXP-FCO-NRT
Va BeNe with Cityjet. RTM-LCY Fokker 50
Truly Great Britain: FlyBE EDI-IOM on Saab 340 & BA IOM-LCY on Saab 2000
Cyprus with Aegean. Business on the A321, LHR-LCA-LHR
Scotland In A Day: FlyBE GLA-BHD-LGW. DH8 & E190
Tegel A.Net Meet. SN LHR-BRU-TXL, LH TXL-BHX
Bye Bye Baby: easyJet LTN-BFS, bmi Baby BHD-BHX
Air One and Alitalia to Sicily – LGW-MXP-PMO-LIN-LHR
Part 12: Sun Air of Scandinavia & BA, DUS-BLL-MAN-LHR on the J31, D328 and A320
Part 11: Thai Airways BKK-FRA, B77W First Class & LH FRA-DUS Business
Part 10: Thai Airways Kathmandu-Bangkok, B772 Business Class
Part 9: Yeti Airlines “Everest Express” on the J41
Part 8: Biman Bangladesh A310 Dhaka-Kathmandu
Part 7: United Airways ATR Dhaka-Cox’s Bazar & Regent Airways Dash Chittagong-Dhaka
Part 6: Biman Bangladesh DC10 Calcutta-Dhaka
Part 5: SpiceJet B739 & Jet Konnect B738 Calcutta-Bagdogra rtn, with Darjeeling
Part 4: Singapore Airlines A330 Business Class Singapore-Calcutta
Part 3: Sriwijiaya Airlines & Lion Air Boeing 737-900ER Banda Aceh-Medan-Jakarta-Singapore
Part 2: Valuair/Jetstar Asia SIN-MES and Garuda MES-BTJ
Part 1: U2 LTN-BCN, SQ BCN-SIN 77W Business
Africa Part 7: British Airways Club Europe B767, LCA-LHR
Africa Part 6: LX ZRH-ATH, A3 ATH-LCA. A Greek Tragedy
Africa Part 5: Dar es Salaam – Nairobi – Zurich with Swiss First
Africa Part 4: Fly 540 DAR-ZNZ in Y, and Zanzibar photos
Africa Part 3: ET KGL-EBB-ADD-DAR-ZNZ, A to Z with Ethiopian Airlines in C
Africa Part 2: SN BRU-BJM, SA BJM-KGL, Business to Burundi and Rwanda
Africa Part 1: BD LHR-CMN, TP CMN-LIS, SN LIS-BRU in Y and C
A.net meeting in snowy Tallinn. U2/FR STN-TLL-LTN
easyJet and bmi up to Aberdeen, LTN-ABZ-LHR
The Costa del Sol with British Airways. LGW-AGP-LCY
Mysterious Moldova (and Transnistria). Lufthansa LHR-MUC-KIV
BA to the Austrian Alps. LHR-MUC, INN-LGW
I can't get no Jetisfaction: LH LGW-FRA inaugural
Colombia Part 4: Colombia to London via FRA/MUC/HEL on LH & BA
Colombia Part 3: Colombia with Avianca (AV). SMR-BOG-MDE-BOG
Colombia Part 2: Colombia with Avianca (AV). BOG-MDE-CTG
Colombia Part 1: London to Colombia via ARN/MUC/FRA on BA & LH
USA and Mexico Part 4, British Airways Mexico City – London, World Traveller Plus
USA and Mexico Part 3: Around Mexico with Aereo Calafia Cessna 208B & Viva Aerobus B733
USA and Mexico Part 2: Sightseeing tour of SAN, and AA San Diego - LA – Dallas - San Jose Cabo
USA and Mexico Part 1: easyJet Luton to Paris, and BA Paris to San Diego via LHR in World Traveller Plus
British Airways to Scandinavia (LHR-CPH,GOT-LHR)
Where’s my bag? British Airways, Milan to London
What airline am I flying again? Bmi/Lufthansa Italia LHR-MXP
Albania and Macedonia: Austrian LHR-VIE-TIA, Macedonian Airlines SKP-ZRH, Swiss ZRH-LCY
Part 1, Lufthansa London-Munich-Frankfurt-Nanjing, Economy Class A321 and A343
Part 2, Cathay Pacific Shanghai to Tokyo via Hong Kong, Business Class A330 and B747-400
Part 3, ANA Boeing B767 Tokyo to Shanghai, & Air China Airbus A340 Shanghai to Beijing, Business Class
Part 4: Chinese domestics, inc. Joy Air Xi’an MA60, Tianjin Airlines ERJ, and China Express Airways CRJ
Part 5: Lufthansa Beijing-Frankfurt-London City, Economy Class A388 and E90
5 Countries, 5 Flights, 5 Days, with Ryanair (FR)
bmiFriday: Welcome to Sunny Norway, London to Bergen, A319)
Royal Jordanian, London to Aqaba via Amman. A330 and A320
Royal Jordanian, Amman to London, A330
London City to Antwerp with Cityjet and the Fokker 50
Croatian Airlines, LHR-ZAG,PUY-ZAD-ZAG-LHR, A319 and Dash 8
British Airways, Iberia & Binter to Tenerife and Gran Canaria, LHR-MAD-TFN-LPA-MAD-LHR, A320,ATR, A321
British Airways, London To Amsterdam, LGW-AMS-LHR, B737 & A321
British Airways up to a snowy Glasgow, with a change of flights and delay, LHR-GLA-LCY A321 and E90
Turkish Airlines Business Class from London to Istanbul. From Terrible To Fantastic
Turkish Airlines Business Class from Istanbul to Batumi (Georgia). Not again!
bmi Business Class, Tbilisi to London via Azerbaijan
Tallinn to London, with Estonian Air and BA, via ARN
Cuba! BA/IB London-Madrid-Havana, Business Class
Aerocarribean, Baracoa to Havana
Asia Trip, Pt 1: Qatar Airways Business Class (LHR-DOH-ICN)
Asia Trip, Pt 2: China Southern and Hainan Airlines (A321/A346)
Asia Trip, Pt 3: Malaysia Airlines, Hong Kong to Penang
Asia Trip, Pt 4: Qatar Airways Economy (HKG-DOH-LHR)
A weekend in Transylvania with Blue Air (LTN-SBZ)
Helsinki for the weekend on BA and KF
Easter in Ukraine with Austrian
UAE and Oman with BA and Air Arabia. Y & Y+
HKG-LHR-HKG Air New Zealand, Premium Economy and Economy
US Airways LGW-DCA-MSP-LGA-LGW
London Heathrow - Zurich - Venice on Swiss Business for the weekend
Chasing the Eclipse on China Eastern
Taiwan: EVA Air (HKG-TPE rtn), UNI Airways (TSA-HCN), Daily Air (TTT-KYD rtn)
UA HKG-SIN-HKG Y Class, SQ KUL-SIN C Class
Bangkok to Beijing, Egyptair Business Class
Air China Beijing to Harbin, B777 Economy outbound, A330 First Class return
Tiger Airways, Singapore to Darwin return
A selection of Chinese Domestics; China Eastern, Air China and Shenzhen Airlines
Hong Kong to London on Singapore Airlines (744/380/77W)
Qatar Airways Beijing-Doha-London Heathrow (A330/A340)
Air China First Class. Beijing-Guilin via Xi’an
Armenia with Austrian Airlines. LHR-VIE-EVN
Round Asia Trip. URC-HTN,OSS-FRU,ALA-URC-LHW-KMG-JHG-KMG-SYX,HAK-NKG-PEK-NRT-LHR,
Hainan Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Lucky Air, ANA, Economy and Business Class.

SAS and Lufthansa Business Class, LHR-OSL-FRA-FRA, B73G and B744
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:40 am

Lufthansa and British Airways in Y long haul have the worst legroom. Also UNITED at 31".

That's why I try to avoid all 3 on long haul.
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:59 am

Amazing TR! I loved it! Looking forward to the next tr. Hope you enjoy my country, as much I do. If you need any tip or whatever, here I am.

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Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:09 am

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 3):
Lufthansa and British Airways in Y long haul have the worst legroom. Also UNITED at 31".

It's funny hope the pitch seems to be so much tighter on the longhual legs. I thought the UA flights were a lot more comfortable than LH.

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 4):
Amazing TR! I loved it!

Thanks Joaquin!

Quoting joacocifuentes (Reply 4):
Looking forward to the next tr. Hope you enjoy my country, as much I do. If you need any tip or whatever, here I am.

I loved Argentina, what little I saw of it. I'm hoping to go back somtime soon to see a bit more
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:13 pm

Hiya Gabs,

Another good report, thanks. I’m sorry to hear your LH B747 flight was quite underhwelming. I do notice the same seats (= new Y cabin) just like on my LH A333 flight in Jan to AUH. Also there, I experienced the lack of space, even more when compared to the OS flight to VIE a few days later. I must note though that I had no seatmates on neither of the flights so that makes a difference. Also the IFE on the B747 seems different than the one on the A333. Was there an IFE box present of any notable size. For the rest, UA seemed good but nothing more and the LH sharklet A320 and the upgrade with KLM definitely made up for the inferior LH longhaul.

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Parents should be in control of their kids, I agree. But sometimes it can be a challenging task to travel with small children.

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Good choice, good movie.

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I’ve flown LH Y before quite a few times on the A343/A346/A380 and never been so awfully cramped.

The difference between Airbus and Boeing  

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Hiya Gabs,

Hi Mr Nils

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):

Another good report

Thanks!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
I’m sorry to hear your LH B747 flight was quite underhwelming

Yeah, was bloody awful!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Was there an IFE box present of any notable size.

Not that I recall...maybe they are in the aisle seat?

Quoting sultanils (Reply 6):
Parents should be in control of their kids, I agree. But sometimes it can be a challenging task to travel with small children.

Well, that's the challenge parents knowingly take part in. The general public does not!
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:22 pm

Hi Gabriel,

another nice report!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
My seat. No PTVs this time, but when the content is 100% BOB, it’s not a problem anyway.

Interesting, I flew on an older frame some years ago and it had PTVs.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
After the UA Y+ flight from AMS to EWR, the pitch on LH felt really tight, although the cabin was much newer and brighter.

I would definitely avoid LH's long-haul Y Class. Last month had a pleasant ride on a BA 744, seats were comfortable and pitch was sufficient.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
First Class? If only!

Funny, I hope those were not missing upstairs.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
D-AIUB also happened to be the newest plane in the LH inventory, being just a month old, and my second sharkletted A32S after B-9950 last summer.

Nice. I got D-AIUD in March, it had only flown seven revenue at that point of time.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):

BA J LHR-WAW A320
LH J MSQ-FRA E190
LH F FRA-EZE B744
AR Y MVD-AEP E190
AR Y AEP-ASU B73G
AR Y IGR-EZE B738
AR Y EZE-CUN A343
9N Y PLJ-MYF C208
40 Y CTM-MEX A320
LH J MEX-FRA B748i
LH J FRA-LCY E190

Now that sounds cool!


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Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:44 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
another nice report!

Thanks Udo!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Interesting, I flew on an older frame some years ago and it had PTVs.

Interesting. Was the PTV free to use? There's no point if you even have to pay for the map!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I would definitely avoid LH's long-haul Y Class. Last month had a pleasant ride on a BA 744, seats were comfortable and pitch was sufficient.

Funny, I flew the BA 744 in Y a month after I did this trip, and thought it equally painful and tiny   It was such a difference to the lovely A380 cabin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Now that sounds cool!

It was!
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:49 pm

Hi Gabriel,

Nice conclusion to your trip. UA seems like your typical US carrier really. A to B with bare minimum I between, and a slightly rubbish lounge.

Too bad about LH being so cramped, although I've read a few times now that their 744's aren't too great. Although at lead you got PTV's.

The ten hour layover in AMS after an overnight bus trip and following overnight flight makes my 4 hour stop in BCN after an overnight flight, and subsequent 8 hour stop in DOH look pretty easy!

Good that you got an upgrade on KL - interesting to see the comparison between them an BA on the LON-AMS route in J. KL look to have the edge there.

Looking forward to the next series... Hopefully it doesn't actually take 10 months haha!
 
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):


Nice conclusion to your trip

Thanks James

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
UA seems like your typical US carrier really. A to B with bare minimum I between, and a slightly rubbish lounge.

Very accurate description

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
Too bad about LH being so cramped, although I've read a few times now that their 744's aren't too great. Although at lead you got PTV's.

Yeah, the OTV and the G&T helped improve things marginally

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
The ten hour layover in AMS after an overnight bus trip and following overnight flight makes my 4 hour stop in BCN after an overnight flight, and subsequent 8 hour stop in DOH look pretty easy!

Horses for courses!

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
Good that you got an upgrade on KL - interesting to see the comparison between them an BA on the LON-AMS route in J. KL look to have the edge there.

I guess KL could be a bit better by offering a choice of meals. The KL staff are good.
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Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Some 2 hours and 30km later, I was dropped off a short walk from the terminal.

Ah yeah, I took that same by a to get out to my hitchhiking spot IIRC. Took an age, however the driver didn't charge me thank goodness, as I didn't have that stupid card we went in a wild goose chase to find.

LH looked really cramped, but worthwhile torture for a gin and tonic. Meal looked ample too.

Cheers!
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:52 am

Hi Gabriel,

Nice report, and conclusion to your trip.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Finally, 2 hours before scheduled wheels up, the desks opened. I was first in line at the *G line, so ended up being seen first. By this stage, the line for both the EWR and IAH flights had been growing behind me, and there were now some ~250 people in the line behind me. Why on earth they didn’t open check in earlier, I don’t know.

Wow, 250 in line behind you? Good thing you got there as early as you did!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
“Star Gold aren’t entitled to those seats for free”… shame, as it wasn’t an issue in AMS or IAH. On the plane I saw a girl from the overnight bus sat in Y+…she said she’d been reassigned there from her booked seat at the back….she was NOT *Gold!

It's so frustrating when there are inconsistences like this across the same airline ...

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
FI pulled up as we were leaving

I didn't realize Icelandair flew to Newark; I thought only JFK. Maybe this changed recently?

Sorry to hear about the cramped 747. Business Class on the 747 doesn't look that roomy either, but I've heard before mixed reviews of their Y product.

Thanks for sharing!

Matthew
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:34 am

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 12):
Ah yeah, I took that same by a to get out to my hitchhiking spot IIRC. Took an age, however the driver didn't charge me thank goodness, as I didn't have that stupid card we went in a wild goose chase to find.

I can't remember how I got on without a card....or maybe I did buy some somewhere? Who know?!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 12):
LH looked really cramped, but worthwhile torture for a gin and tonic. Meal looked ample too.

I'm not sure it was worth it TBH.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 13):
Nice report, and conclusion to your trip.

Thanks Matthew

Quoting 767747 (Reply 13):
Wow, 250 in line behind you? Good thing you got there as early as you did!

Ha, i'd rather have been in bed at 4am, rather than on an old city bus!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 13):
It's so frustrating when there are inconsistences like this across the same airline ...

yes, very frustrating

Quoting 767747 (Reply 13):
Sorry to hear about the cramped 747. Business Class on the 747 doesn't look that roomy either, but I've heard before mixed reviews of their Y product.

Well their new J is much better, but still not the best. I think LH have some issues with developing porducts. The F on the 744 is wonderful though
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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:39 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
LHR-MNL is the longest scheduled nonstop from the UK.

That can't be right. At 6699 mi, LHR-MNL is shorter than LHR-SIN (6765 mi) and LHR-EZE (6904 mi).
 
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting Eltomzo (Reply 15):
That can't be right. At 6699 mi, LHR-MNL is shorter than LHR-SIN (6765 mi) and LHR-EZE (6904 mi).

Er, yes, glad someone was paying attention! I was thinking about the Jakarta flight that GA was planning on launching which would be the longest. MNL isn't (quite). I'm surprised it's closer than SIN though tbh.
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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:19 pm

Hi Gabriel,

A wonderful conclusion to your Panama trip.

It's a shame LH didn't seem to deliver. The pictures illustrated the tight space on the transatlantic crossing, doesn't look good. The catering looks very standard, too.

Bad luck with the KL lounge, though at least the customer services team followed it up with you. The flight itself looks very good, as expected with KL.

Thank you for sharing, am looking forward to more!

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:23 pm

Hey Gabriel  

Interesting final part. Nice you got a mini trip to see Amsterdam whilst in transit.

LH I guess usual Y experience.

KLM looks nice , I love the plates and glasses but I guess they could have done better with the meal offering even though its only a very short hop.

Regards

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:30 pm

Hi Gabriel !

Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
As I had so much time, I thought I’d save the taxi money and go with the public bus. Some 2 hours and 30km later, I was dropped off a short walk from the terminal.

That's crazy ! 2h for 30 km…..

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
By this stage, the line for both the EWR and IAH flights had been growing behind me, and there were now some ~250 people in the line behind me. Why on earth they didn’t open check in earlier, I don’t know.

That seems like a bad setup; perhaps they want to save money by having people start later but that leads to delays when you have two flights at the same time.

Interesting that you have a United logo that was never used…….

UA's never 739s do not have PTVs and they are usually installed up to a year later, why this is I'm not sure. The aircraft you flew on was on of the last delivered to s-CO so it's fairly new.

LH DOES look cramped and I think the 748 I was on in October last year was better legroom wise. Food looks okay but nothing special.

KLM Business looks very good for such a short flight.

Looking forward to your next report!

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:38 am

Hi Gabriel,

nice report their, great finish to this series of reports. As I am on work, let me just comment a two things:

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Sadly the karma backfired a bit as my new neighbours were an extended family whose parents were far more interested in playing with their iPads than entertaining their children on ensuring that they weren’t being a complete nightmare for the other passengers. A kind reminder to all of you reading this that travel with children….keep your children entertained and out of the way of other passengers before you entertain yourself. This is public transport, not your private people carrier.
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
There’s not a lot of say about this flight. Complimentary soft drinks were doled out. I napped. The kids shouted and screamed and kicked the seats and left gunky handprints on the windows and drew on the tray tables. The parents watched films on their iPad.

Exactly what happened to me a few weeks ago, too. The dad was watching movies on the IFE, while the mum was trying to sleep. The kids were going wild the whole flight. That the mum had her rather bright reading light on the whole flight didn't help, too. (This was an 13h redeye-flight.) Amazing how stupid and egoistic some parents can be...

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
35 minutes after take off, aperitifs are served. I was beginning to regret my choice of LH over UA…there was just NO space! The lack of window indentation, plus having a large lady sat in the middle seat meant there was just no room to manoeuvre one’s arms. Extending the tray table full, and it was rammed right into me
Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
As you can see, I ate with only half the table open, so I could still breathe. Of course (thankfully after I finished eating) I managed to knock the tray off. Picking stuff off the floor was near impossible. Are these the tightest Y seats in the sky? I’ve flown LH Y before quite a few times on the A343/A346/A380 and never been so awfully cramped.

I haven't flown LH Y for quite some years, but I guess there are a lot of airlines out there with this legroom. We are just spoiled by the excellent airlines from Asia and the ME and the few exceptions on the other continents. You should try AB Y on longhaul, then you know what is really bad. You might opt for the complimentary amputation service onboard... ^^



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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:47 pm

Hello Gabriel,

Nice report and conclusion on your Panama trip. Okay UA, decent LH (but shame about the legroom) and a nice visit to Amsterdam to top it off. Nice to get an upgrade as a final touch on the trip, albeit on such a short hop.

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting ab486 (Reply 17):
A wonderful conclusion to your Panama trip.

Thanks Adam

Quoting ab486 (Reply 17):
It's a shame LH didn't seem to deliver. The pictures illustrated the tight space on the transatlantic crossing, doesn't look good. The catering looks very standard, too.

Yeah, it wasn't LH's finest moment

Quoting ab486 (Reply 17):
Bad luck with the KL lounge, though at least the customer services team followed it up with you. The flight itself looks very good, as expected with KL.

Yeah, they did seem to be trying

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):

Interesting final part.

Thanks Phil

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Nice you got a mini trip to see Amsterdam whilst in transit.

Yes, was a nice little interlude

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
LH I guess usual Y experience.

That was the thing, it was so much worse than any other longhual LH flight i'd done with them.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
Thanks for another great report with great pictures !

Thanks!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
That's crazy ! 2h for 30 km…..

That's local buses for you! it was very cheap

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
That seems like a bad setup; perhaps they want to save money by having people start later but that leads to delays when you have two flights at the same time.

It makes it very unplesant for everyone. It can't cost that much to have just 1 deskmopen 4 hours early, just to relieve the pressure of the other desks, and to get the queue moving asap for people that turn up early.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
LH DOES look cramped and I think the 748 I was on in October last year was better legroom wise. Food looks okay but nothing special.

LH WAS cramped. Good to hear the 748 is better

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):

nice report their, great finish to this series of reports

Thanks Carsten

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
Exactly what happened to me a few weeks ago, too. The dad was watching movies on the IFE, while the mum was trying to sleep. The kids were going wild the whole flight. That the mum had her rather bright reading light on the whole flight didn't help, too. (This was an 13h redeye-flight.) Amazing how stupid and egoistic some parents can be...

Grrrr! So annoying

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
I haven't flown LH Y for quite some years, but I guess there are a lot of airlines out there with this legroom. We are just spoiled by the excellent airlines from Asia and the ME and the few exceptions on the other continents. You should try AB Y on longhaul, then you know what is really bad. You might opt for the complimentary amputation service onboard... ^^

Ha, I think the 744 is much worse than the Airbus

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 21):

Nice report and conclusion on your Panama trip.

Thanks Robert

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 21):
Nice to get an upgrade as a final touch on the trip, albeit on such a short hop.

Yes, it was a nice finale
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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:29 pm

Glad I found the time, nice read and pictures as usual Gabriel.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
My request for a Y+ seat was refused as “Star Gold aren’t entitled to those seats for free”… shame, as it wasn’t an issue in AMS or IAH. On the plane I saw a girl from the overnight bus sat in Y+…she said she’d been reassigned there from her booked seat at the back….she was NOT *Gold!

- You know there is no justice with airlines, it's pot luck and FF senior member's don't always get looked after ahead of joe public.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
There were two shower rooms, which after an overnight bus journey, and a +2 hour wait by the check in desks, was very welcome.

- Indeed, I'd be beating a path to the showers myself!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Like in the dowdy UA clubs in the States, things like coke can only be found behind the manned bars

- Coke is a soft drink, how stupid!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
There were some nice views from the windows, but the seats over there were all full of sleeping passengers.

- Grr, don't get me started!!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Boeing 737-900 N27477

- Nice, still missing from my flown log.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
Sadly the karma backfired a bit as my new neighbours were an extended family whose parents were far more interested in playing with their iPads than entertaining their children on ensuring that they weren’t being a complete nightmare for the other passengers. A kind reminder to all of you reading this that travel with children….keep your children entertained and out of the way of other passengers before you entertain yourself. This is public transport, not your private people carrier.

- Well said, parents should always ensure the children are looked after and under control at all times, especially in public, if you choose to have them it's your choice, don't burden everybody else.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
The kids shouted and screamed and kicked the seats and left gunky handprints on the windows and drew on the tray tables. The parents watched films on their iPad.

- Grrr!!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I sort of understand why transit passengers have to go through immigration, but why should a bag on a direct international-international transit have to go through customs?

- I don't, technically you are not entering the country so why the need for immigration and customs checks? -

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
To persuade myself that LH was the correct choice of overnight hotel, I ordered my usual G&T, something not available in UA Y.

- See, that was the reason you chose LH over UA!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
40 minutes after drinks were served, dinner was doled out. There was a choice, but I can’t remember what the other was….here’s a the chicken and rice dish, which was quite acceptable. The cake wasn’t very nice.

- Well glad it was ok, certainly looks quite grotty.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
As my tickets were booked separately, I didn’t want too short a connection in AMS in case my LH flight was late. The question was, how long a gap should I book? In the end, thanks to hesitating and letting some of the midday flights book up, I ended up with a nearly 10 hour stopover.

- Bugger, that's safety for sure!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
I got a call from KL customer services a few days later thanking me for my comments, saying that they would consider them

- Yea right......

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 2):
Embraer 190-100LR PH-BGE “Ortolaan”

- PH-BGE is a 737, not a 190.

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
14 minutes after wheels up, dinner was served. It was pretty nice for a short hop.

- Looks like they have improved the C meals, not seen a KL C report for a while.

Cheers

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:31 pm

Hi Gabriel,

Another nice report you made here. A nice choice of airlines and types you chose on your trip back home.
Shame the LH 747 was so uncomfortable, you regret the decision? The service on UA probably would have been worse though..
Always nice to get an upgrade and definitely agree on your points about the Crown Lounge!

Quoting gabrielchew (Thread starter):
My request for a Y+ seat was refused as “Star Gold aren’t entitled to those seats for free”… shame, as it wasn’t an issue in AMS or IAH. On the plane I saw a girl from the overnight bus sat in Y+…she said she’d been reassigned there from her booked seat at the back….she was NOT *Gold!

Bad customer service there, such a shame

Thanks for sharing!

cheers,

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RE: Panama 3! Jumbo Transatlantic - UA/LH/KL To London

Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:33 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
Glad I found the time, nice read and pictures as usual Gabriel.

Thanks for commenting. Glad you liked it

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
- Coke is a soft drink, how stupid!

Very stupid. And if you don't go to the bar, the only choice is tea or coffe, or water in plastic cups!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
- Well said, parents should always ensure the children are looked after and under control at all times, especially in public, if you choose to have them it's your choice, don't burden everybody else.

I quite agreee. Shame a lot of parents don't see it like that

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
- See, that was the reason you chose LH over UA!

Yeah, don't think it was worth it!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
- PH-BGE is a 737, not a 190.

Yes, you're right. it was a 73G

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 23):
- Looks like they have improved the C meals, not seen a KL C report for a while.

Yes, the meal wasn't too bad for a short hop

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 24):

Another nice report you made here.

Thanks Brendan!

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 24):
Shame the LH 747 was so uncomfortable, you regret the decision? The service on UA probably would have been worse though..

TBH, yes, I did. The extra space on UA is worth missing out of the more professional staff and G&T! Although it'd also have missed out on a 747 flight and the nice new LH lounge...
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