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PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:37 pm

Background:

Found the slides for this and thought I would give it a try. I have several trips that are on slides from the 60's and 70's and this if my first attempt at a trip report from them.

This was a trip on Pan Am MIA-JFK on an aircraft position ferry back in August 1972.

I was able to get on this as my father was with PA and they allowed any non-rev to ride at that time. (They do not at this time at the airline I work for now).
This was a great flight and I spent most of the trip in the cockpit until just about starting the turn for landing on 13L at JFK.

Flight Details:
DATE: August 23, 1972
Route: MIA-JFK
Airline: Pan Am
Aircraft: Boeing 707-321B
Aircraft Registration: N408PA
Configuration: 16 F 124 Y (LOAD: 5)
Flight: F223 (Call sign: Clipper 408)
Departure Scheduled: 0900
Actual Departure: 0857
Arrival Schedule: 1140
Actual Arrival:1140
Gate 44 (old MIA International Concourse)
Takeoff Runway 9L
Takeoff time: 0913
Altitude: 370-410
Landing time:11:31
Flight Time: 2:18



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Photo © Ralf Manteufel



Photos:
Takeoff 9L
Note the EASTERN Electras, BN DC-8s and in the distance the National concourse with 727/DC8 and DC10s.

[img]1-takeoff <acronym title=9L-MIA photo PICT0001_zpsx3zgf22q.jpg"/>[img}

Level at 370

[IMG]3-level 370-2 photo PICT0003_zpsa9lurgei.jpg[IMG]

Took a walk to the back for this view in Cruise:

[img]5-#1 FROM THE BACK photo PICT0005_zpsq39bc6h9.jpg[img]

Back in the cockpit, notice the First Officers uniform! Taken over the shoulder of the Flight Engineer.
[img]6-F/O N408PA photo PICT0006_zps29by7pry.jpg[img]

Another view of the flight deck: Deadheading FA talking to the FE and captain at work in the left seat.

[img]7-CAPT. photo PICT0007_zpsxjmyovqe.jpg[img]

Engine shot at 370 (sorry about the photo, very dirty with mold)

[img]9-Cruise 370 photo PICT0009_zpskxybbero.jpg[img]

Climb up to 410 past some CBs at Azela Intersection

[img]11-PAST FRONT CLIMB TO 410 photo PICT0011_zpsgobjwrmj.jpg[img]

On Descent approaching shoreline (time to go sit down). You can almost make out the shoreline (or not!!)

[img] 12-On approach photo PICT0012_zpsxlfbm3tk.jpg[img]

Crossing the shoreline on the Canarsie approach to 13L

[img]13-Over Beach ></a>[img]
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<br />Starting turn for 13L
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<br />[img]<a href=14-Turning final for 13L photo PICT0014_zpslynnzk2h.jpg[img]

Over the PAN AM CARGO buildings on short final

[img]15-Over PA cargo ></a>[img]
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<br />Reversing ><img src=
 
wingsofman72
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:42 pm

My last lines got lost, thanks for reading, and sorry again about the poor quality of the photos that are from the "good old days"
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:47 pm

Thank you so much for this TR. You have brotten a trip I have always wanted experience (I wasn't born when PA was around). Thank you for the TR.
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:29 pm

Thanks for re-constructing this vintage TR. The first picture in particular is very interesting.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:02 pm

Thank you! Wonderful to read.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:24 pm

Hello,

Very interesting report! Thanks for taking the time to find and upload the slides and write up a TR. I recently did a school history project on Pan Am (with a focus on the 707 and 747) and it was pretty exciting.

- Ytraveller  
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:59 pm

Wonderful report. I never got a chance to ride the 707 or the 720. Thanks for filling a big gap in my flighting experience
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:35 am

Wow, this is wild, like a trip back in time. Thank you so much for these photos! Unfortunately I was born after the age of the 707 and this is probably as close as I'll come to flying in one.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:59 am

Wonderful report! Looking forward to more...
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:44 am

Fantastic! Great to see something from so long ago and definitely eager to see more!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:58 am

Thank you for making my day/week/month. As you can see from my handle JFK was my home growing up in the 60s and that PA B707 was my plane of choice. Your posting brought back so many wonderful memories - thanks again!

(Nothing like the distinct sound of the B707 overhead on take-off. We lived in Valley Stream (Gibson) right on the 4L path for those making the quick turn, which on bad weather, was the norm. I had a radio that picked up the tower for take-offs and landing and there was nothing more exciting than being in my bedroom at night on a low overcast day hearing the call signs and then hearing them over head... in my own little A.Netter head circa 1965 at 9 years old!) Oh, the glamour and fantasies it conjured!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:49 am

Oh now. This is something.

Thank you very much & I hope you have more  
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:49 pm

Great photos rare to see retro TR's and hope to see more of them  

Thanks for taking the time to dig those slides out.


Regards

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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:27 pm

This picture didn't make it on the main part of the report:
Reversing after landing on 13L

[img]16-REVERSE ></a>[img]</body></html>
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:18 pm

You have nothing to say sorry about, fantastic pictures, thank you for posting.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:13 pm

i enjoyed that. Pan Am was my first airline that I flew on as a toddler from Karachi to Hong Kong in 1977

Regards,
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting IDLEWILDCHILD (Reply 10):
(Nothing like the distinct sound of the B707 overhead on take-off. We lived in Valley Stream (Gibson) right on the 4L path for those making the quick turn, which on bad weather, was the norm. I had a radio that picked up the tower for take-offs and landing and there was nothing more exciting than being in my bedroom at night on a low overcast day hearing the call signs and then hearing them over head... in my own little A.Netter head circa 1965 at 9 years old!) Oh, the glamour and fantasies it conjured!

I too grew up near IDL , further out...about 5 stops on the LIRR on the south shore, but could had a radio as soon as I could get one and would monitor JFK tower and approach (planes came right over on a sort of base for the 22's with the sw wind. I addition, the depatures to the west, and north came over off any runway (still do to this day), heading up to the north.

Early in the 60's the 707/DC8s came over pretty low, and dropping the excess water from the takeoff. Was a great place to be in the early age of Jets.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:33 pm

Quoting WINGSOFMAN72 (Thread starter):
I have several trips that are on slides from the 60's and 70's and this if my first attempt at a trip report from them

More, you say?   You should definitely share more!

This was excellent, thank you very much. Nothing like a 707 in Pan Am livery!
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:53 pm

Thanks for posting this. Great to read and see something that a lot of us never got to experience.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:02 pm

This trip report is an instant classic. Thank you so much and feel free to invite me over to look at your slides!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:20 pm

Hi WINGSOFMAN72!


Great report, it was really a good idea to post this indeed classic report!
Must have been still quite an adventure to fly back then.
Also incredible that your trip took place more then 30 years ago, even my parents have been small children back then!


thanks for this amazing report!

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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:36 pm

LOL

Yesterday I found old slides from 1977; TWA 707 at Nice airport. And also Pan Am in Hong Kong.

How do you turn the slides into computer pictures?
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:14 pm

AWESOME trip report!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:47 am

Bonus Pictures:

These were taken a few months before the trip report and I only have these 2 shots:

First is again takeoff from MIA on same Runway 9L as Clipper 504 to JFK
on 6-27-72
Note the variety of aircraft on the ground in this shot (can you spot the AF Caravelle?).

Interesting engine arrangement on this aircraft, since the 707-321B N762PA is an early -321B it
has the small louver doors on the engines for extra airflow at high power settings,
However, looks like the borrowed one from a new aircraft on the #4 engine. I never would have known this in 1972.

The second picture is rolling out on 13R at JFK after landing on the same flight.

[img] photo N762PA-TAKEOFF 6-27-72_zps5jrfw6d9.jpg[img]

[img] photo N762PA LANDING 6-27-72_zpsn9ilhvzc.jpg[img]
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:30 am

Great report - thanks for this trip back in time. Loved the departure shots from MIA.

It's nice to see something so different here for a change. Glad you took these slides!

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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:17 pm

Woah, that's really cool! It's awesome to have a peek in to more of what things were like back then in aviation.

Those 707 engines look so cool from inside the cabin. Some sort of aesthetic about them.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:38 pm

I played this video in the background while looking at your 707 pics:

http://youtu.be/Sf3mo3QROC8

The sound of those JT-3s while looking at those pics took me back to the 70s!
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:21 am

A trip report older than many a.nutters! Now that's different. Thanks for sharing, hope to see more classic TRs from you.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:08 am

Wow - love this report.

Please post as many as you can!
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:16 am

Great TR. Thanks for sharing the classic pics.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:27 am

I'm going to echo all of the people clamoring for more. I definitely appreciate the engine shots. On the one hand, it's a view I've taken on many aircraft. On the other, it's something that I may never see for myself, this view from within a 707. So, for those of us born too late to partake of such things, I say thank you very much and keep 'em coming!
Good night, and keep watching the skis. Uh, skies.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:57 am

Re: the #3 cockpit picture:

Strange to see only #2 and #3 throttles at power in cruise. #1 and #4 are at idle but all four start levers are in "run." ADI is straight and level, but VSI shows a descent. Flaps are up and gear is up and "off."

Is this unusual?
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Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:25 am

That's a pretty good blast from the past. Looks like a great experience. Thanks for sharing these slides with us!  
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 31):
Re: the #3 cockpit picture:

Strange to see only #2 and #3 throttles at power in cruise. #1 and #4 are at idle but all four start levers are in "run." ADI is straight and level, but VSI shows a descent. Flaps are up and gear is up and "off."

Good catch, and I saw this too after I posted. I will get the slides out again and see if I somehow got them out of order, sor they could have been miss labeled in processing. I suspect that was taken in descent into JFK and should have been later in the post.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:09 pm

Well indeed Picture #3 is out of order and should be much later, I checked the originals and it is into the descent JFK.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:14 am

Great job! Thank you for sharing!

I hope you dig up more slides from your collection!

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Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:41 am

Quoting WINGSOFMAN72 (Reply 34):
Well indeed Picture #3 is out of order and should be much later, I checked the originals and it is into the descent JFK.

Thanks for uploading these. I had never seen mixed type "sucker doors" on the same a/c before.
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Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:44 pm

Extremely rare, unique, and nicely organized trip report.

Thank you so much for sharing  
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting WINGSOFMAN72 (Reply 16):
I too grew up near IDL , further out...about 5 stops on the LIRR on the south shore, but could had a radio as soon as I could get one and would monitor JFK tower and approach (planes came right over on a sort of base for the 22's with the sw wind. I addition, the depatures to the west, and north came over off any runway (still do to this day), heading up to the north.

Early in the 60's the 707/DC8s came over pretty low, and dropping the excess water from the takeoff. Was a great place to be in the early age of Jets.

I had always hoped I wasn't alone! It was great to be able to tell which aircraft type was coming before you saw it by the sound of the engines. The DC-8s and 707s had distinct sounds and the 727s loudness had a noise all its own. It was the early-to--mid 60s and I also remember some props (Icelandair, El Al) that were still scattered about too.

I drove my Dad nuts begging to be taken to JFK (Idlewild) every weekend. We once got stuck in a flood (Farmer's Blvd) and the car stalled, and after getting to a mechanic and fixed (3 hours), I asked if we were still going... he sort of went nuts on me! LOL
 
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Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:29 pm

Thank you so much for this golden oldie; don't apologise for the pictures, I'm grateful they have survived and been scanned for us to enjoy.

I'm sure there are a.net film/slide experts who could help restore the images.
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Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:47 pm

Magnificent!

Love the window views of those JT-3s!
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Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:33 am

Thank you, this is amazing! Great to see the past
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Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:33 pm

Thank you for sharing this! Fantastic Stuff.

Thanks
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:51 pm

Did you notice in the cockpit shot that the #1 and #4 throttles are nearly at idle while the inboard engines are at high thrust? Was this picture actually taken in cruise or perhaps during a descent? Or was it some sort of engine data check?
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Fri May 01, 2015 4:29 am

Fantastic history in those photos. Thanks for posting.

The MIA takeoffs are particularly interesting. Looks like some of the gates were used such that the planes would taxi in and taxi out.
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Fri May 01, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting 113312 (Reply 43):


Ineed that picture is out of order, and was on descent in to JFK.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 44):


Yes the EA (and BN that they shared) gates on C and D were all taxi in/out at that time, Concouse B was built in the 70s and that had nose in gates.
 
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Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:48 am

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 11):
Oh now. This is something.

^^ That ^^ The best trip reports, postings even, I've seen on here in years.

I was just amazed looking through there. Thank you for these vintage reports!
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Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:21 am

Excellent trip report and awesome pics!

The pic of the FO wearing a non-uniform shirt is so cool...  
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Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:01 pm

Thanks for the comments.

Here is a preview of coming attractions (hopefully in the next few weeks).

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah147/wingsofman721/EUROPE%201968/PICT0083_zpsppuupa8y.jpg
 
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RE: PAN Am Boeing 707 Miami New YORK-JFK 1972

Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:14 am

Thank you for lens to the glorious bygone era when i was not born yet.

The FO uniform is cool and stylish.
And those engines are jaw-dropping super-impressive.

I wish I were born then already.

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