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Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:30 am

Qatar, Qatar, how cramped you are
Your 787, so beautiful from afar
Your airplane food was delicious to eat
But my shoulders fall out of your Economy seat

http://i58.tinypic.com/2m64sb9.jpg

Qatar, Qatar, how cramped you are
Your 787, so lovely from afar
Your stewardesses, attentive and kind,
But the lack of leg space blows my mind.

http://i57.tinypic.com/24pdtub.jpg

Qatar, Qatar, how cramped you are
Your 787, so awesome from afar
Your website says a wide and spacious seat
But my back hurts, did I mention my feet?

http://i60.tinypic.com/wugqjo.jpg

Qatar, Qatar, how cramped you are
Your 787, So beautiful from afar
Flying your A350 was aviation heaven
But never again your Seven-Eighty-Seven!

http://i58.tinypic.com/28cosq9.jpg

See my video review of Qatar Boeing 787 Dreamliner on their cramped seating
https://youtu.be/aUsyhMg_YTQ
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:56 am

Hi guitarsingapore,

What a wonderful and refreshingly original way to write a trip report.

I can imagine how uncomfortable it must be trying to shrink into a confined space, especially if you ahve seat neighbours. Imagine how much worse for a person described by that euphemism, person of size.

Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:48 pm

I totally agree with you, although I have not been on Qatar 787 I tried the 787 for LOT Polish last month from Toronto to Warsaw. The seat width was just HORRIBLE. I can't believe that my first 787 experience was this bad. I'll never fly any 787 again. All of them seem to be cramped and tight. What a shame. I'
m sure their ratings will significantly fall due to this crampness and tight seat widths.

[Edited 2015-06-15 07:49:21]
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:53 pm

Quoting ElanusNotatus (Reply 1):
What a wonderful and refreshingly original way to write a trip report.

Hear, hear! Wonderful report ... I have heard many negative reports about the QR 787 in nine abreast ... certainly enough to turn me off it.

It's a serious thing for Boeing; around 90% of airlines so far (the only exceptions I know of being the two Japanese carriers) have gone nine abreast.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:11 pm

Very clever! I enjoyed your song.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:24 pm

I heard the 787 is cramped.

How can they be so daft?

Good to know. I will avoid.

What camera do you use?

Nice video.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Funny stuff.

The seat pitch looks surprisingly tight and is listed at 31" which seems low for them. As for width, A350 is only 4 inches wider, which is something, but did you find the width difference on A350/787 to be this glaring?
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:11 am

Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches. The seat width on the A350 is 18 inches. In other words there's a difference of only 4/5 of an inch.

What a lame report(s).
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:44 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):

In comparing seats we need to consider not just the width if the seat but also the seat spacing. A cabin with nine abreast will be more cramped than one with eight abreast, even if the actual seat width is the same. The extra seat spacing makes a world of difference.

The other issue is the length of time in the seat.What may be bearable on a two hour flight gets to be torture on a ten or twelve hour ordeal.
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:47 am

That is certainly a different TR, and they do say less is more. You have got straight to the point here, and I hope the management of the airline read this, and watch your video, just for the poignant awareness you have provided.

I am sure dozens of other pax have had the same experience so I commend you on doing this and making it so catchy!

   for your approach and constructive/creative critcism of your experience. Cheers =
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:10 am

Quoting whitelight44 (Reply 2):
I'll never fly any 787 again.

Seriously? You're going to cast aside the airframe which is going to form the backbone of many airline fleets for the next thirty years, based on one experience on LOT POLISH???
Your computational algorithms are out of adjustment.

I'm head over heels for the 787, and I can't wait to try out an A350 too.
Perhaps you should simply avoid crappy carriers. Say, for example, any of the ones which adopt Airbus' proposed 3-5-3 on the A380...
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:57 am

Nice job, but where's the delicious food?   Now can this be said for all 9 abreast 787s in general? Because if so, AFAIK only some ANA dreamliners are worth flying...
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:31 am

Qatar Airways Boeing 787 Singapore to Doha.

Now that the rant is over, let me show you my usual review, which of course is more balanced
This is the flight review video - https://youtu.be/HEAy1KHMVtw

We were on our way to London. We would fly SIN-DOH with a 45 minute connection before DOH-LHR. This was the very first leg, Singapore to Doha. The flight would depart SIN at 0230. By that time, we were all very sleepy.

A picture of the departures that early morning at Singapore Changi.
http://i62.tinypic.com/a0uys0.jpg

Fortunately, Changi Airport had some loungers where we could snooze a bit. The loungers were very popular though. That area of the airport was very quiet and you could look at some plants and even a small water feature.
http://i57.tinypic.com/wqt4cn.jpg

Boarding was smooth and departure was slightly early, which was good because our connection at Doha was 45 minutes and we were wondering whether we could make the connection. The flight from Singapore to Doha would take about 7 hours.
http://i62.tinypic.com/23nwx5.jpg

They call the Boeing 787 the Dreamliner, but it is certainly no dream sitting in the Economy class. Why? The seats are awfully cramped and the legroom is crazily tight. Even my kids felt a bit squashed and they are small in size.

The Boeing 787 in Economy is in a 3-3-3 configuration. I went into lots of detail about this point in my flight review video. But here are some pictures to illustrate my point.

This picture shows you the legroom available and the infamous IFE box, which takes up some space. The remaining space in front of my can barely take my backpack, which is by no means big.
http://i62.tinypic.com/5dw8hs.jpg

This picture shows you my legs in that small space.
http://i59.tinypic.com/1zq7ayp.jpg

Another picture showing you the cramped seat and legroom. I guess for a short flight, say 2-3 hours, it is still ok. But for a red-eye, it is a completely different proposition.
http://i59.tinypic.com/25hlogz.jpg

To be fair to Qatar, other than the cramped seats on the B787 (which you can appreciate is a big deal given that we spend 99% of our time in the seat during a flight), all other aspects of the flight was very good, if not excellent.

International crew was attentive and very pleasant. Service was prompt. The IFE system was very modern.

Shortly after takeoff, we were served with a sandwich snack. These were warm sandwiches as well as a nice piece of warm cake. They were delicious. You could have a full bar service with your sandwich, that was nice.
http://i61.tinypic.com/f4icnb.jpg

Thereafter they turned off the cabin lights so that we could get some sleep. 2 hours before landing, they served a full meal (breakfast).
http://i58.tinypic.com/zn6cky.jpg

We landed early, which was a relief. To my surprise, we didn't have an aerobridge. We had to be take an airport bus to the terminal. However, while on the bus, I noticed that there were many empty aero-bridges. Strange. Were they deliberately creating work for the buses? I don't know.

Here is a picture taken while boarding the airport bus at Doha Airport. The ground crew were unloading luggage, especially those that required rapid transfer.
http://i60.tinypic.com/2rhpe1g.jpg
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:33 am

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 5):

I heard the 787 is cramped.

How can they be so daft?

Good to know. I will avoid.

What camera do you use?

Nice video.

Yeah. Even my wife who is much smaller in size than me, found it cramped too. Best to avoid in Economy. The Business cabin looked pretty good though.

Camera - Sony RX 100 II bought sometime in mid 2013. I think the latest model Sony RX 100 MK 4 is coming out very soon.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 6):

Funny stuff.

The seat pitch looks surprisingly tight and is listed at 31" which seems low for them. As for width, A350 is only 4 inches wider, which is something, but did you find the width difference on A350/787 to be this glaring?

Extremely glaring. I found the A350 Economy seat to be very comfortable for somebody my size.

AND, the Airbus A350 had no IFE box anywhere. Legroom was good!



Which leads me to my next question. Why did Boeing design an aircraft whereby the IFE box needs to be placed exactly where my leg ought to be?

Is it a design flaw? Surely they must have thought about this when they designed such a modern plane.

Any clue?

[Edited 2015-06-16 04:42:05]

[Edited 2015-06-16 04:46:29]
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 9):

That is certainly a different TR, and they do say less is more. You have got straight to the point here, and I hope the management of the airline read this, and watch your video, just for the poignant awareness you have provided.

I am sure dozens of other pax have had the same experience so I commend you on doing this and making it so catchy!

   for your approach and constructive/creative critcism of your experience. Cheers =

Thanks for your feedback.

Truth be told, before our flight, we had read so much about Qatar's 787 Economy being very cramped on the online forums and reviews but we somewhat dismissed those feedback because we are generally not as large in terms of built than say the typical Caucasian.

We were wrong to have taken that feedback lightly.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches. The seat width on the A350 is 18 inches. In other words there's a difference of only 4/5 of an inch.

What a lame report(s).

I understand where you are coming from. Don't forget it is not just the seat width, it is also the horrible legroom on most seats with that big IFE box.

The 787 is now widely used by many airlines, with the Economy seat in a 3-3-3 configuration. So many people will fly in Economy and I am sure all of them would have their views.

I am just sharing mine.



[Edited 2015-06-16 04:45:59]
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:44 pm

Hi guitarsingapore,

Thanks for the interesting trip report, and I echo your feelings as well. No matter what some posters say, that minute difference in seat width between the A350 and 787 makes them worlds apart. Even from the moment I sat down on my QR 787 flight in feb, i felt cramped. As yes, not to mention that IFE box!!!

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches. The seat width on the A350 is 18 inches. In other words there's a difference of only 4/5 of an inch.

In Economy, every inch (or part thereof) matters, and I think the 9-abreast 787s have really crossed the line.

Quoting guitarsingapore (Reply 14):
Which leads me to my next question. Why did Boeing design an aircraft whereby the IFE box needs to be placed exactly where my leg ought to be?

Is it a design flaw? Surely they must have thought about this when they designed such a modern plane.

Any clue?

This has nothing to do with Boeing. It is simply the IFE system that QR chose for the 787 (and A380s). The newer IFE system chosen for the A350 has the box cleverly integrated into the frame of the seat, and therefore does not impede into the passenger's legroom.

I believe it is the same system chosen by BA on their latest Economy product, but on the 77W and A380 there's enough cabin width that you can slip your foot between the seat leg and side wall (if in a window seat). However on the cramped 787 there's no way you can do that, and hence your legs end up angled.

Overall I think it's a bad combination of the reduced seat width and IFE box taking up valuable legroom. Hopefully newer operators will at least remove the second problem!


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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:18 pm

How many different websites are you going to post this to?

Not a knock, it's entertaining, but I've already come across two and I am sure there's more.

[Edited 2015-06-16 10:19:09]
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:10 am

Agreed. Just returned doing 787 JNB-DOH and DOH-CPT. Was looking forward to my first ever 787 trips and first Qatar flights, hugely disappointed. I'm not a big guy, and it was cramped. Usually take window seat because of more space of the windows and on most aircraft can rest my arm in the window, but while the 788 have great big windows and fancy dimming ,it offers no extra space. And then there's the seat width...airlines usually give info on seat pitch, but width is for me more important, especially with the new design seats also having such small armrests.
The A380 on lower deck obviously is total opposite, I can put a small bag or jacket and all excess blankets/pillows between the seat and window area,building up the space for arm resting.
Qatar's food and service was slightly dissappointing, expected more...having flown Cathay Pacific last year I expected the same.
And my A380 return on LHR-DOH the seatbelt buckle had hardened puke on.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:33 pm

GRJGeorge, thanks for sharing your recent flight experience. I would have thought their A380 would be a lot more comfortable.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:50 pm

That's what I'm saying, the A380 is much more comfortable, having loads more unintended space (at the window).
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:46 am

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 21):

That's what I'm saying, the A380 is much more comfortable, having loads more unintended space (at the window).

Thanks for the clarification!
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:06 am

A comparison with CZ 787 in Economy:

http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y437/Varun_KR/DSC_8822_zpshmijvsha.jpg

http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y437/Varun_KR/DSC_8823_zpseczx0lrc.jpg

It did feel a bit cramped, although the seat pitch looks a bit better than the QR one. Did quite a few 11+ hour flights with CZ 787 last year.

I am 5'7" for your reference and quite slim built
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches. The seat width on the A350 is 18 inches. In other words there's a difference of only 4/5 of an inch.

The difference is actually less than that... Airbus get their seat width up to 18 inches by shrinking their armrests to 1.5 inches versus the 2 inch ones used on the 787.
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:51 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 18):
How many different websites are you going to post this to?

Even posting it to Facebook comments, now.   

John Leahy thanks you in advance.  
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting newbief1yer (Reply 23):
A comparison with CZ 787 in Economy:

Thanks for the pictures. Very interesting. No IFE box in CZ.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting guitarsingapore (Reply 26):
Thanks for the pictures. Very interesting. No IFE box in CZ

Thanks.
Yes, good spot, i did not realise it earlier.
Another picture which shows no IFE box in CZ.
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:44 pm

Looks like the QR 787 is Y needs to be avoided, along with BA.....

Just flew on a QR A350 today, wonderful plane, admittedly I was in JCL, but I walked back into economy, I thought it looked pretty good space wise, certainly better than the QR 788 offering based on what you have posted.
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:04 am

Quoting newbief1yer (Reply 27):
Thanks.
Yes, good spot, i did not realise it earlier.
Another picture which shows no IFE box in CZ.

Awesome angle for a picture of the seat on the CZ 787.

Can share which seat number is that?

Looks like you get added leg space and a much less claustrophobic feel.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:05 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 28):
Looks like the QR 787 is Y needs to be avoided, along with BA.....

Just flew on a QR A350 today, wonderful plane, admittedly I was in JCL, but I walked back into economy, I thought it looked pretty good space wise, certainly better than the QR 788 offering based on what you have posted.

Yes, I flew on the QR A350 in Economy and it was certainly a positive experience in terms of space as well as their superior IFE system. Quite impressive indeed.
 
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:48 am

Quoting guitarsingapore (Reply 29):
Awesome angle

Thanks.

Quoting guitarsingapore (Reply 29):
Can share which seat number is that?

These were teh last two rows on the CZ 787 -> 52 and 53. My preferred seat choice. Been on CZ Dreamliner 7 times last year, all around 12 hours each. 6 of those times i was in the last 2 rows. Once i had the exit row seat. All of them should be described in detail in my previous Trip reports.
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:23 pm

I've just flown on a JL 787 (TR to follow) and I was really impressed. The seats were comfy, the width was fine, etc. I'm on the slightly bigger size and I didn't have any issues, maybe JL's choice of 2-4-2 was a good decision.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches. The seat width on the A350 is 18 inches. In other words there's a difference of only 4/5 of an inch.

What a lame report(s).

"You don't like the plane I like, so I'm going to berate you."

Very tasteful way to handle the poor width! I've not flown a QR 787, however, I've flown the UA 787 and it wasn't all that bad. Could have been a lot better though.
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Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting Joeytaffy93 (Reply 32):

- I flew 2 long haul NH 787's in the 2-4-2 config, very nice.
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 34):
I flew 2 long haul NH 787's in the 2-4-2 config, very nice.

Yeah, I think with a 2-4-2 config, the Dreamliner would be worthy of being called a Dreamliner for Economy class pax.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:22 am

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 33):
I've flown the UA 787 and it wasn't all that bad. Could have been a lot better though.

That's cool. Going by how many 787s there are already flying and on order, I don't think Economy pax can avoid this aircraft. Hopefully, they can do something to make the experience more comfortable.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:43 am

This is a quote from the other Qatar Airbus A350 thread.

This was posted by jetxdammit (Reply 17):

"I just flew the previous week (and am about to do the same in 18 hours) Qatar 777-300 & 787-8 to DOH and BLR, back to back flights and doing it again today.

"Coming from the 777, where the seat was wider, and the legroom 1" more, as someone who is 6'5", you damn right that 1" is noticeable and makes a difference to me. Maybe to someone who is 5'5" it doesn't, but to me I absolutely notice it. And the seat width is certainly noticeable. Especially when you're confined for 16 hours on the 777 and 4 hours on the 787 (and going from 777 immediately to the 787 during a transfer in DOH). The IFE box takes away about 3" of width under the seat, and again, it is noticeable (had this on the 787, not on 777).

"I agree with the original posters view on Qatar's 787. Haven't flown the A350, so I can't comment on that. Perhaps other airlines are offering wider seats or increased pitch on their 787s.

"Maybe on the flight back I'll take pictures just to prove my perspective."
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
Qatar's seat width on the 787 is 17.2 inches.

Wrong. It's actually 16.9"
http://www.qatarairways.com/global/e...pressrelease_pressrelease_20120307

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Perhaps you should simply avoid crappy carriers.

You mean any 787 operator with 3-3-3 config? So basically, avoid the 787.   
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:48 am

Interesting report!

Quoting guitarsingapore (Reply 14):
Which leads me to my next question. Why did Boeing design an aircraft whereby the IFE box needs to be placed exactly where my leg ought to be?

Is it a design flaw? Surely they must have thought about this when they designed such a modern plane.

No IFE boxes in the Jetstar 787s AFAIK, despite the seat back screens (Panasonic eX2 units). Yes the seats are a bit narrow but okay so long as the person next to you isn't too big.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cZnCxMU-lUNH7Ay_bBu-byvYmDsXIDNjXCVzzT5V1zSe=w1438-h955-no

The 787 is still my new favourite aircraft (haven't tried the A350 yet).
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:32 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 39):
No IFE boxes in the Jetstar 787s AFAIK, despite the seat back screens (Panasonic eX2 units). Yes the seats are a bit narrow but okay so long as the person next to you isn't too big.

Thanks for the photo.

This proves that you can an IFE system without those large boxes. Qatar should take note and revamp their aircraft. Already, the seat width isn't generous. The additional big IFE box makes the experience miserable.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:35 am

Thales' IFE systems have bulky IFE boxes under the seats. If the boxes are there, it's most likely Thales.
Panasonic somehow managed to make those IFE boxes shrink in size with each new generation of their IFE product.
It's easy to recognize these 2 products by the design of their screen and handset.
Some airlines use a mixture of these 2 in different fleets e.g. QR uses Thales in their 787, and Panasonic in their A350s.
There's always a better way to fly...
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:40 am

I flew the LAN 787 and found the seat to be very thight too. Interestingly , the JAL 787 which I flew and has 2 seaters at the window, was perfectly fine.
 
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RE: Ode To Qatar Seven Eighty Seven (Cramped Economy)

Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 42):

I flew the LAN 787 and found the seat to be very thight too. Interestingly , the JAL 787 which I flew and has 2 seaters at the window, was perfectly fine.

The JAL plane used the 2-4-2 configuration? If so, then it should be much more comfortable compared to the 3-3-3.

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