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SueD wrote:Wonder if the Bahraini DHL fleet will want to fly into Tel Aviv
LH658 wrote:I expect EL AL gunna face tough times, with EK stealing pax going to HKG, SIN, Australia, India, and Thailand. I could see Pre covid EK having 3 flghts to TLV 1 A380 and 2 777s.
aschachter wrote:LH658 wrote:I expect EL AL gunna face tough times, with EK stealing pax going to HKG, SIN, Australia, India, and Thailand. I could see Pre covid EK having 3 flghts to TLV 1 A380 and 2 777s.
I am wondering if Tel Aviv is A380 capable and has any A380 capable gates?
Also, the interesting part will be the EK will get additional passengers from Australia and Cathay (flies direct to Israel from Hong Kong) and Qantas/Thai (With their connections to LY at Bangkok and Hong Kong) will be the big losers...
I am wondering if Tel Aviv is A380 capable and has any A380 capable gates?
escapedia wrote:I am wondering if Tel Aviv is A380 capable and has any A380 capable gates?
Yes
Based on what do you say that? Would be great to see the A380 in TLV, probably one of the last airports to start A380 operations...
flybaby wrote:TLV can handle the A380 although not optimally. As part of the concourse E project two dual boarding bridges were built. While these can probably handle the A380 they are not optimized for it (the initial plan was to have them optimized for the A380 but after it became clear that the A380 wasn’t going to be quite as successful as initially expected, there were some changes made to the design of the two dual-PBBs in concourse E).
This said, given the short flying time (just 3 hours) between DXB and TLV it doesn’t really make sense to operate an A380 on this route. It is much more likely that EK would prefer to operate multiple frequencies of smaller metal on the route.
flybaby wrote:
This said, given the short flying time (just 3 hours) between DXB and TLV it doesn’t really make sense to operate an A380 on this route. It is much more likely that EK would prefer to operate multiple frequencies of smaller metal on the route.
escapedia wrote:flybaby wrote:
This said, given the short flying time (just 3 hours) between DXB and TLV it doesn’t really make sense to operate an A380 on this route. It is much more likely that EK would prefer to operate multiple frequencies of smaller metal on the route.
I think it's as always an economical question. If there are enough transit pax to/from DXB, A380 would mostly fit the TLV route.
xwb777 wrote:Tomorrow, 19OCT, Etihad will be operating the first commercial flight to TLV.
EY9607 0500 AUH-0630 TLV
EY9608 0900 TLV-1430 AUH
Equipment: B787-10
Blerg wrote:I am surprised that the agreement only covers Tel Aviv, Eilat could have been a rather interesting destination for someone like Wizz Air.
Blerg wrote:I am surprised that the agreement only covers Tel Aviv, Eilat could have been a rather interesting destination for someone like Wizz Air.
SCQ83 wrote:Blerg wrote:I am surprised that the agreement only covers Tel Aviv, Eilat could have been a rather interesting destination for someone like Wizz Air.
Why would someone from the UAE go to a desert (and expensive) destination like Eilat? It makes 0,00 sense.
SCQ83 wrote:Blerg wrote:I am surprised that the agreement only covers Tel Aviv, Eilat could have been a rather interesting destination for someone like Wizz Air.
Why would someone from the UAE go to a desert (and expensive) destination like Eilat? It makes 0,00 sense.
Blerg wrote:SCQ83 wrote:Blerg wrote:I am surprised that the agreement only covers Tel Aviv, Eilat could have been a rather interesting destination for someone like Wizz Air.
Why would someone from the UAE go to a desert (and expensive) destination like Eilat? It makes 0,00 sense.
Because Eilat gives subsidies.
myki wrote:Blerg wrote:SCQ83 wrote:
Why would someone from the UAE go to a desert (and expensive) destination like Eilat? It makes 0,00 sense.
Because Eilat gives subsidies.
... and it is a beach resort. And somewhere new for UAE residents and anyone connecting from the east.
Blerg wrote:myki wrote:Blerg wrote:
Because Eilat gives subsidies.
... and it is a beach resort. And somewhere new for UAE residents and anyone connecting from the east.
Plus it has an interesting catchment area like Petra. It can be an alternative access to point for those who not want to go to Amman.
SCQ83 wrote:Blerg wrote:myki wrote:... and it is a beach resort. And somewhere new for UAE residents and anyone connecting from the east.
Plus it has an interesting catchment area like Petra. It can be an alternative access to point for those who not want to go to Amman.
Crossing the Israel-Jordan border is more complicated and time-consuming than flying to Amman. And FlyDubai used to fly to Aqaba.
xwb777 wrote:Flydubai announced flights to Aqaba but haven’t landed there yet. The flights to AQJ were announced along with Catania flights.
SCQ83 wrote:xwb777 wrote:Flydubai announced flights to Aqaba but haven’t landed there yet. The flights to AQJ were announced along with Catania flights.
ETM - Petra is 148 km.
AMM - Petra is 206 km.
That is obviously not counting the Israel-Jordan border.
Blerg wrote:SCQ83 wrote:xwb777 wrote:Flydubai announced flights to Aqaba but haven’t landed there yet. The flights to AQJ were announced along with Catania flights.
ETM - Petra is 148 km.
AMM - Petra is 206 km.
That is obviously not counting the Israel-Jordan border.
How many km is the border crossing?
SCQ83 wrote:Blerg wrote:SCQ83 wrote:
ETM - Petra is 148 km.
AMM - Petra is 206 km.
That is obviously not counting the Israel-Jordan border.
How many km is the border crossing?
What about the time wasted in security controls (both sides) and potential queues? And the fact that this border closed at night and during holidays? Probably closed now because of COVID. So it is not worth to "save" 50 kilometres by road. Not even probably a few hundreds of km. with the added inconveniences. Not to mention rented cars cannot go to the other side.
Long story short, trying to market Petra via Eilat for the UAE (considering that Amman-UAE has under normal circumstances plenty of daily flights with Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Air Arabia, Royal Jordanian) just makes no sense.
Anyway this was a thread about Israel-UAE, not about Jordan.
rlwynn wrote:What he says is correct. How would one even get to Petra from Eilat? Walk?
flyingj wrote:Looking at the flight route today on Fradar, it appears that the return flight flew into Qatar airspace. Was there a let for this considering the media prominence of this flight? Is there a let for UAE charter flights? Could this be a sign of the blockade coming to an end? Or is this simply an error on the part of Fradar?
ojas wrote:Eff. 26 Nov20 Flydubai will begin double daily flights to TLV as below:
FZ 1163 DXB - TLV 0940 1135
FZ 1164 TLV - DXB 1235 1745
FZ 1165 DXB - TLV 2200 2355
FZ 1166 TLV - DXB 0055 0605
Aircraft: B737-800
https://news.flydubai.com/flydubai-to-tel-aviv
raylee67 wrote:They are going to kill El Al's East Asia and India routes.
behramjee wrote:ojas wrote:Eff. 26 Nov20 Flydubai will begin double daily flights to TLV as below:
FZ 1163 DXB - TLV 0940 1135
FZ 1164 TLV - DXB 1235 1745
FZ 1165 DXB - TLV 2200 2355
FZ 1166 TLV - DXB 0055 0605
Aircraft: B737-800
https://news.flydubai.com/flydubai-to-tel-aviv
Launching with double daily B738s by giving the market only 3 weeks advance notice to sell is very foolish in my opinion especially under the current operating climate.
If they announced daily, I wouldn't be so pessimistic but double daily with such short notice is
lightsaber wrote:behramjee wrote:ojas wrote:Eff. 26 Nov20 Flydubai will begin double daily flights to TLV as below:
FZ 1163 DXB - TLV 0940 1135
FZ 1164 TLV - DXB 1235 1745
FZ 1165 DXB - TLV 2200 2355
FZ 1166 TLV - DXB 0055 0605
Aircraft: B737-800
https://news.flydubai.com/flydubai-to-tel-aviv
Launching with double daily B738s by giving the market only 3 weeks advance notice to sell is very foolish in my opinion especially under the current operating climate.
If they announced daily, I wouldn't be so pessimistic but double daily with such short notice is
There needs to be a minimum if 2x for feed to the EK network. It will lose money, but establish a customer base.
Eventually, this needs to be 5x+/day. But that is pist Covid19.
Lightsaber
behramjee wrote:lightsaber wrote:behramjee wrote:
Launching with double daily B738s by giving the market only 3 weeks advance notice to sell is very foolish in my opinion especially under the current operating climate.
If they announced daily, I wouldn't be so pessimistic but double daily with such short notice is
There needs to be a minimum if 2x for feed to the EK network. It will lose money, but establish a customer base.
Eventually, this needs to be 5x+/day. But that is pist Covid19.
Lightsaber
I agree there eventually needs to be 2 daily to feed EK's network but not from the on set with just 3 weeks notice for their respective sales team to sell ! And that too all the main volume markets eastbound for Israel are currently closed for tourism i.e. Australia, Thailand, China, Singapore, India, Hong Kong, Malaysia etc
FZ should have started with a split schedule of 6 / 8 weekly max because for the next 2-3 months, they will be largely dependent on p2p traffic.
xwb777 wrote:Entry requirements to Israel
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lightsaber wrote:xwb777 wrote:Entry requirements to Israel
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Oh... I missed that level if lockdown. Never mind, opinion changed.