I love discussions like this.
There is an organisation in this world that has a history of child abuse, of murder, of pillage, of destroying familys, of genoiced.
It's called "the Catholic religion".
In Australia, the Catholic church was responsible for one of the largest horrors ever witnessed here. 10% of all Aboriginal children were removed from their "heathen" parents and placed in orphanages where they were used as slave labour, beaten and starved. All in the name of "catholisism".
Indeed, not a week goes by without some Catholic priest or other being in the news for child abuse, paedophilia or some other heinous crime.
It's not the religion that causes the problem, it's the people who gravitate to this business.
I too believe that you have to be very naive to believe in the existance of god, however unlike the original poster I believe in your right to believe what you like. Indeed, that's my major gripe about the catholic religion, they believe that not only do they have the right to believe what they like, they have the right to force that belief onto you.
Charles: your response was a bit harsh. You have a right to ask for a thread to be deleted but since when do you become the moral voice of the forum?
Marco: Aids was NOT spread in Africa by dirty needles. Indeed, dirty needles isn't the biggest spreader of AIDS at all, it's men who can't keep it in their pants, so therefore the comment about condoms is accurate as well. It's morally irresponsible to teach against using contraception, particularly in areas of high poverty.
Again you are wrong, Catholic church representatives spend a lot of time trying to make contraception and abortion illegal. They do not believe in the right for people to make their own decisions, and they don't take into account circumstance. They see these issues as black/white, a very irresponsible attitude indeed.
I don't believe in your god or any of the things you claim he has done, however I respect your right to believe in that and i'm glad he gives you peace.
As for his comments on priests, he was being immature but a large proportion of Catholic priests are being unmasked as paedophiles. More than we should be seeing and the really sad part about that is that the church are protecting them! It makes me very angry.
Apathoid: all of us who don't believe in god are going to be laughing one day .. because death comes to us all. On a more serious note, I respect your right to your belief, kindly respect my right to my belief.
As for religion, we have jews bailing up Muslims in a Christian Church in Palestine. Seems to me that's reason enough not to support organised religion