Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 44): Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 41): Palin may be a "private citizen" but she has a public life that she is promoting. Nice try though. Correct me if I am wrong but is this not a "private" event she is attending HKG? Or is it open to the public? That is not what we are talking about is it? Palin has made her life very public and continues to do so.

   The OP.

Quoting Elite (Thread starter): Sarah Palin will make her first speech out of North America when she addresses over a thousand investors in Hong Kong. Her speech will cover many topics, including current events/affairs and global economics. Quite interesting, really, to see Palin in Hong Kong.... any fellow Kongers going to show up for this??

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 44): It would be nice if you would stick to the topic rather than jumping all over the place.

When I do you say that is not what we are talking about.

Quoting Avent (Reply 48): Only because he didn't run from his responsibilities.

   Exactly how has he taken care of his responsibilities? Talks a good game yeah, but depends on Pelsoi and Reid to deliver and can't even haggle with them because he doesn't have any markers to drop ala LBJ.

Quoting DXing (Reply 50): Quoting Avent (Reply 48): Only because he didn't run from his responsibilities. Exactly how has he taken care of his responsibilities? Talks a good game yeah, but depends on Pelsoi and Reid to deliver and can't even haggle with them because he doesn't have any markers to drop ala LBJ.

So? I said he didn't run from them - unlike Palin. No need for a meltdown over a simple observation.

If only Maggie Thatcher could have hired her to go to HK before the handover, it might still be a British Colony..

Quoting DXing (Reply 50): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 44): Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 41): Palin may be a "private citizen" but she has a public life that she is promoting. Nice try though. Correct me if I am wrong but is this not a "private" event she is attending HKG? Or is it open to the public? That is not what we are talking about is it? Palin has made her life very public and continues to do so. The OP.

Geez man, you go in more directions than a Delta hub! You, not me, were trying to make a point about Palin being a private citizen. Not about the event being 'private'.

Quoting D L X (Reply 29): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27): Born in Kenya You're a freakin' birther? Why should anyone respect anything you have to say now? It certainly isn't worth arguing with you ever again if you can't accept simple truths like this.

Did I miss something? Last I saw there were still valid questions about where he was born.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31): There is a lot of hatred for Obama, which is unfortunate.

I don't know about that. I do not hate Obama, I don't know the man. I disagree with everything he has done to date, and his future plans don't look good either. I believe he is taking the US in the wrong direction, and will eventually make the US a third world country.

Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Correct me if I am wrong but is this not a "private" event she is attending HKG? Or is it open to the public?

No, it was a private affair, not open to the public or press. Here is the first report I have scene on her speech last night.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...8cbf119a882edf8.191&show_article=1

From Brietbart-

Quote: CLSA, an arm of French bank Credit Agricole, said it closed Palin's session to the media after she indicated that she would have to adjust her speech if reporters were present.

Not sure I understand why ... can someone explain.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47): Quoting D L X (Reply 46): You rebut that you're not petty because Obama embarrassed himself (in your everpresent extremely biased illogical opinion)? Biased? So your telling me that this situation in NY is not embarrassing?

No, I'm telling you that the thing in NY has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you are petty.

Here's the thing: a logical rebuttal is related to the original argument. A logical rebuttal is not recoiling from a point against you by making any old random slam against someone else.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 55): From Brietbart- Quote: CLSA, an arm of French bank Credit Agricole, said it closed Palin's session to the media after she indicated that she would have to adjust her speech if reporters were present. Not sure I understand why ... can someone explain.

I don't think any of us will know until her entire 80 minute speech is publicised. Here is a little bit more on what she said. It all seems logical and well thought out. Apparently it was well delivered, too.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aDptsOIuwheU

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 57): Apparently it was well delivered, too.

From the article:

“It was a very safe speech,” said Suyeon An of RCM Asia Pacific Ltd, who left before Palin stopped talking. “Boring I have to say.”

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 45): If that is the case then why would he embarrass not only himself but Paterson by doing something as drastic and unprecedented as asking a sitting governor not to seek re-election and then snubbing him in Albany? Only to have his power grab shoved right back at him. Hmmm, doesn't seem so petty.

The only one who's going to be embarrassed is Paterson, when he loses to Cuomo in the Democratic primary by 30 points. Obama wasn't making a power grab, he was pointing out the obvious (to everyone except Paterson) and suggesting that Paterson might not want to waste his and the party's time.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 54): Did I miss something? Last I saw there were still valid questions about where he was born

Uh, no there is not. But if conspiracy theories make you happy.

Quoting Avent (Reply 51): So? I said he didn't run from them

Understood, just pointing out that IMO he isn't standing up to them either.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 53): Geez man, you go in more directions than a Delta hub! You, not me, were trying to make a point about Palin being a private citizen. Not about the event being 'private'.

She is a private citizen attending a private event. Yet somehow there are people here that see even that small piece of press and their fear of her leads them to disparage her.

Quoting DXing (Reply 61): She is a private citizen attending a private event.

Right, who quit her job, and is building a public persona. If she is such a private person, why did she inject her 'death panel' BS into the health care debate?

Quoting DXing (Reply 61): fear of her

Try reading this thread through and you will see that no one is afraid of her.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 62): Right, who quit her job, and is building a public persona. If she is such a private person, why did she inject her 'death panel' BS into the health care debate?

She resigned, as she was legally entitled to do, an morally entitled to do to save her family even more expense than it was already incurring thanks to the leftists that filed one suit after another in which Alaska law does not cover her defense. So are you saying as a private citizen none of us has a right to protest? After she made the tweet did she go on a public speaking campaign, make commercials, or in any way promote her view? No, yet guess what, in the end Congress and the President had to cave in and agree to change the provision she was referring too. So who won that debate? Man that must rankle eh?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 62): Try reading this thread through and you will see that no one is afraid of her.

All the cheap shots, yours included, show a school kids way of expressing fear.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27): Born in Kenya

There is, of course, no actual proof of that.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27): Punk

If he was more punk, I'd probably approve of him more.

Quoting Slider (Reply 28): Big deal. Are we really going to rehash this shit again? Senatorial experience pales in comparison to executive gubernatorial experience, whether it’s AK, AR, or any state.

No, it doesn't - gubernatorial experience, particularly in a small state, doesn't give any experience in foreign policy, or in how to get your legislation through the US Congress. And she didn't even finish one term! She quit! Great "experience"...

Quoting Slider (Reply 28): Marxist.

Wow, right up there with calling GWB a "fascist"...do you even know what a Marxist is? You could certainly call Obama a "liberal", maybe even a "socialist", but he's no more a Marxist than Palin is a fascist. (And yes, I've heard the far left call her that, and it's not fair either.)

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama's resume was strong enough either, and I agreed with Geraldine Ferraro when she said, in effect, that he would not have been a serious contender for the Democratic nomination with the same experience if he was white. However, he has a stronger background than Palin. That's not saying much...

Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Nope, I said before he was elected that his lack of experience, both executive, and legislative, would be his biggest problem and so far I've been proven right. If he is not getting rolled by the right he is getting rolled by his own party members in the form of Pelosi and Reid.

Agreed, and even my most ardent Democrat friends said the same thing - that the Democratic Party leadership in Congress was going to go its own way and steamroll him, just like they did Jimmy Carter (who probably deserved to be steamrolled, but that's another thread.)

Quoting DXing (Reply 63): or in any way promote her view?

You have got to be kidding. That is what she has been doing since she left office. If you can't see that is your problem.

Quoting DXing (Reply 63): All the cheap shots, yours included, show a school kids way of expressing fear.

You people are fools if you believe this. I guess your cheap shots at Obama or Pelosi are not "school kids ways"?

Quoting DXing (Reply 63): entitled to do to save her family even more expense than it was already incurring thanks to the leftists that filed one suit after anothe

As well as suits filled by people in her own party, which you somehow forgot to add.

Quoting DXing (Reply 61): She is a private citizen attending a private event.

I think you are engaging in willful self delusion in trying to characterize her as a private citizen since it ignores the elephant in the room, namely this is an obvious attempt for her to be able to claim later that she gave major policy speeches internationally so she can patch up her lack of foreign affairs experience if she makes another run for the Whitehouse. So she is behaving like a future candidate - as she has been doing for quite a while - and therefore is not a private citizen in the normal sense.

Quoting DXing (Reply 61): Yet somehow there are people here that see even that small piece of press and their fear of her leads them to disparage her.

Look in the mirror. You never, ever, miss an opportunity to cast slurs at the president. You have absolutely no basis for criticizing others.

As for fearing her? I sort of do since I'd like to see intelligent candidates (from the Right or Left) competing for the White House - not ones with boorish and one-dimensional perspectives. And yes, I do hold considerable contempt for most politicians - both Democrats and Republicans for this reason.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 65): You have got to be kidding. That is what she has been doing since she left office. If you can't see that is your problem

Exactly how many stump speeches has she made since leaving office? The only time she makes the news here is when the liberals take whatever morsel they find and promote it via a new bash Palin thread.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 65): You people are fools if you believe this. I guess your cheap shots at Obama or Pelosi are not "school kids ways"?

She takes her daughter to a baseball game in New York and what happens? The fear that you libs show of her at even showing her face in public, and your insults towards her family know no bounds. That much has been proven.

Both Speaker Pelosi and President Obama are elected officials, responsible for legislation and policy of this country. They can affect everyone in this countries lives to the worse. Of course you had no problem with blasting away at President Bush and when people question it, well it was your patriotic duty to do so! Hypocrite!!!! Exactly how does that compare to Sarah Palin? What similar powers does she have?

Quoting Avent (Reply 66): I think

You are projecting a lot into one speech. Does that mean that Jimmy Carter is contemplating another run for President. He is on TV and in front of reporters more than Sarah Palin.

Quoting Avent (Reply 66): So she is behaving like a future candidate - as she has been doing for quite a while - and therefore is not a private citizen in the normal sense.

Exactly how many times has she appeared anywhere since leaving office?

Quoting Avent (Reply 66): Look in the mirror. You never, ever, miss an opportunity to cast slurs at the president.

Who, once again, is a publicly elected official who is in a position to enact policy and sign legislation that can greatly affect every individual in the country, and in some cases around the world. Quite different than one person giving a speech to a closed gathering in Hong Kong wouldn't you agree?

Quoting DXing (Reply 61): Quoting Avent (Reply 51): So? I said he didn't run from them Understood, just pointing out that IMO he isn't standing up to them either.

No you don't understand. Palin ran from her job - she quit. Obama didn't. Whether Obama is being successful has no bearing on the issue of whether Palin ran or not. If you don't discipline yourself to stick to the point, and avoid dragging in whatever irrelevant issue you feel allows you to score points or get a dig in against Obama, you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): What similar powers does she have?

The only power she has is to get Palinbots knickers in a twist. And it is just so fun to watch them try and try and try to prove that she was either picked on by the press or is the next Reagan. Both points are just ridiculous!

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): ......That much has been proven.

Not really, but go on an believe that if it makes you happy.

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Quoting Avent (Reply 66): So she is behaving like a future candidate - as she has been doing for quite a while - and therefore is not a private citizen in the normal sense. Exactly how many times has she appeared anywhere since leaving office?

What do you think she is doing in Hong Kong? Getting a new recipe for Sweet and Sour Moose?

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Both Speaker Pelosi and President Obama are elected officials, responsible for legislation and policy of this country

Correct, and what did Sarah Palin do? She quit her job before her term was over.

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Who, once again, is a publicly elected official who is in a position to enact policy and sign legislation that can greatly affect every individual in the country, and in some cases around the world. Quite different than one person giving a speech to a closed gathering in Hong Kong wouldn't you agree?

Palin is out there creating the impression that she is a stateman and an international figure in politics. That in itself opens her up to any and all criticism.

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Who, once again, is a publicly elected official who is in a position to enact policy and sign legislation that can greatly affect every individual in the country, and in some cases around the world. Quite different than one person giving a speech to a closed gathering in Hong Kong wouldn't you agree?

As a justification for scab picking journalism and cheap shots? No I don't agree.

And the notion that Palin is not engaging in prep work for future political ambitions is just not credible. She had barely abandoned her office when she weighed in on the Death Panel rubbish. But this is less significant than her having her own PAC - PACs are not needed by private citizens, so your attempt to cast her as a private citizen fails in this regard also.

Quoting Avent (Reply 68): No you don't understand. Palin ran from her job - she quit.

She resigned and rightfully so given the legal bills she was incurring due to frivolous ethic charges being filed by the left for which she was responsible for paying her own defense for. I don't blame her one bit for protecting her financial future and I hope the State of Alaska, and any other State that has that same style provision gets it's legislative act together and changes the law to protect the Governeor.

Quoting Avent (Reply 68): If you don't discipline yourself to stick to the point, and avoid dragging in whatever irrelevant issue you feel allows you to score points or get a dig in against Obama, you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.

If you can't respond to the comparative then just don't respond.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Both points are just ridiculous!

Avoids the question.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): What do you think she is doing in Hong Kong? Getting a new recipe for Sweet and Sour Moose?

Making some money to help pay her legal expenses most likely. Legal expenses incurred by the left who never met a lawsuit they didn't like.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Correct, and what did Sarah Palin do? She quit her job before her term was over.

She resigned and with good financial reason as well. Of course your response is yet another dodge.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Palin is out there creating the impression that she is a stateman and an international figure in politics. That in itself opens her up to any and all criticism.

Exactly how would you have known of this speech if someone on this forum hadn't posted a press article about it? Palin didn't announce she was going there anymore than she announced she was going to be at the baseball game in New York.

Quoting Avent (Reply 70): And the notion that Palin is not engaging in prep work for future political ambitions is just not credible. She had barely abandoned her office when she weighed in on the Death Panel rubbish.

Other than the original tweet to her supporters, exactly where and when did she make any other statement other than to chime in with the statement that the House bill was evil? A feeling shared by a majority of citizens polled. Funny how one statement by her on a tweet actually led to the liberals in Congress and the President actually backing off the provision. Pretty perceptive on her part.

Quoting Avent (Reply 70): But this is less significant than her having her own PAC - PACs are not needed by private citizens, so your attempt to cast her as a private citizen fails in this regard also.

Palin announced at the same time she was resigning that in part she was going to lend her persona to help campaign and to help like minded individuals get elected to office. In the course of that a PAC is almost a necessity to satisfy FEC requirements for political donations and election law. Starting a PAC does not mean that you cannot be a private citizen nor does it require you to be a public figure.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Exactly how would you have known of this speech if someone on this forum hadn't posted a press article about it?

Because it has been in the news for weeks. Wow, and I knew about it and didn't start a thread on it.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Making some money to help pay her legal expenses most likely. Legal expenses incurred by the left who never met a lawsuit they didn't like.

              

Sure good one!

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): She resigned and rightfully so given the legal bills

Why you believe this is amazing. I wonder what you would say if it was a Democratic Gov?

She quit mid-term, just like she's done so often in her career.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Palin didn't announce she was going there anymore than she announced she was going to be at the baseball game in New York.

     
No Sir. This has been a news item for WEEKS. Guess you don't follow the news very well.
Google is your friend, do a news search and you will see articles about this over a month long period.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Both points are just ridiculous! Avoids the question.

No Sir, it does not avoid the question...you just can't handle the truth!

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Other than the original tweet to her supporters, exactly where and when did she make any other statement other than to chime in with the statement that the House bill was evil?

Do a search on her and her Facebook push. There was an article on how well it has worked for her.

Quoting DXing (Reply 67): She takes her daughter to a baseball game in New York and what happens? The fear that you libs show of her at even showing her face in public, and your insults towards her family know no bounds. That much has been proven.

Since David Letterman does not seem to be participating in this thread, your use of second-person pronouns seems a tad misplaced.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 60): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 54): Did I miss something? Last I saw there were still valid questions about where he was born Uh, no there is not. But if conspiracy theories make you happy.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 64): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27): Born in Kenya There is, of course, no actual proof of that. Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 27): Punk If he was more punk, I'd probably approve of him more.

Well, without hijacking this thread, why does't he produce his LONG FORM birth certificate? The short form means nothing. As for him being a punk, I forgot to add druggy punk. He said so himself.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 64): Quoting Slider (Reply 28): Marxist. Wow, right up there with calling GWB a "fascist"...do you even know what a Marxist is?

Obama, and Pelosi are marxists. Do you know what it means? Do you know what fascists means?
Marx⋅ist  /ˈmɑrksɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mahrk-sist] Show IPA
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–noun 1. an adherent of Karl Marx or his theories.

–adjective 2. of Karl Marx or his theories.
Marx·ist (märk'sĭst)
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One that believes in or follows the ideas of Marx and Engels.

A Marxian.

Marxist (n.)

1886, "devotee of the teachings of Marx," from Fr. marxiste, from Karl Marx (1818-83), Ger. political theorist. The adj. is attested from 1897, as is Marxism. The adj. Marxian (1940) sometimes is used (e.g. by Groucho) to distinguish the U.S. comedic team from the Ger. political philosopher.
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–noun 1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
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1921, from It. partito nazionale fascista, the anti-communist political movement organized 1919 under Benito Mussolini (1883-1945); from It. fascio "group, association," lit. "bundle." Fasci "groups of men organized for political purposes" had been a feature of Sicily since c.1895; the 20c. sense probably infl. by the Roman fasces (q.v.) which became the party symbol. Fascism, also 1921, was originally used in Eng. 1920 in its It. form, fascismo. Applied to similar groups in Germany from 1923.

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Now back on topic..................

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 65): Quoting DXing (Reply 63): or in any way promote her view? You have got to be kidding. That is what she has been doing since she left office. If you can't see that is your problem.

I don't know, this is the first time she has been in the news since she left the Governor's Office.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 65): Quoting DXing (Reply 63): All the cheap shots, yours included, show a school kids way of expressing fear. You people are fools if you believe this.

Oh really?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 65): I guess your cheap shots at Obama or Pelosi are not "school kids ways"?

I know you don't care, but we tend to follow our "cheap shots at Obama or Pelosi" with little things like facts and news quotes.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Quoting Avent (Reply 66): So she is behaving like a future candidate - as she has been doing for quite a while - and therefore is not a private citizen in the normal sense. Exactly how many times has she appeared anywhere since leaving office? What do you think she is doing in Hong Kong?

What ios she a candidate for? When does a compaign for a US office begin in Hong Kong? She cannot take money from them for her "campaign", that's illegal.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Getting a new recipe for Sweet and Sour Moose?

Now that sounds good, I hope she does get one, I'll e-mail her for it.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Palin is out there creating the impression that she is a stateman and an international figure in politics.

How? What is in her speech? Have you read it? You do know your disgraced former mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who now lives in Dallas has given speeches overseas, too, don't you?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 72): Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Exactly how would you have known of this speech if someone on this forum hadn't posted a press article about it? Because it has been in the news for weeks.

References? I read Drudge everyday, it hasn't been their. I watch FoxNews everyday, it wasn't there, I also look on google and yahoo, it wasn't on them, either.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 72): Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Palin didn't announce she was going there anymore than she announced she was going to be at the baseball game in New York. No Sir. This has been a news item for WEEKS.

Reference?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): You do know your disgraced former mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who now lives in Dallas has given speeches overseas, too, don't you?

What? What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Secondly, I live in Bloomfield Hills, thank you very much (Oakland County is the fourth wealthiest county in the United States among counties with more than one million people).

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 72): Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Palin didn't announce she was going there anymore than she announced she was going to be at the baseball game in New York. No Sir. This has been a news item for WEEKS. Reference?

Let me spell it for you GOOGLE!

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): References? I read Drudge everyday, it hasn't been their. I watch FoxNews everyday, it wasn't there, I also look on google and yahoo, it wasn't on them, either.

Perhaps you should look a little harder.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): What ios she a candidate for? When does a compaign for a US office begin in Hong Kong? She cannot take money from them for her "campaign", that's illegal.

What do you think her PAC is for?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): but we tend to follow our "cheap shots at Obama or Pelosi" with little things like facts and news quotes.

That's a stretch. If you call those facts then let me tell you about a Bridge in Brooklyn.

I do not support her going to Hong Kong and speaking of American politics. It is a bad signal , didn't support Clinton doing it , Gore doing it and I don't support he doing it.

Whats she said aside , she needs to do it on our shores .

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): with little things like facts and news quotes.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): You do know your disgraced former mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who now lives in Dallas has given speeches overseas, too, don't you?

By the way, this is so not true. Kwame is on Probation and his travel is severely limited by his plea deal.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): If you can't respond to the comparative then just don't respond.

I see, so when you start attacking Obama by saying he wasn't standing up for the office, as a feeble attempt to divert the conversation away from how Palin abandoned her office, this confusion on your part between 'being in office' and 'being successful in office' demonstrates your ability to understand 'comparatives'?

You have an amazing ability to respond to counter-points with off-topic slurs that beat up on the president.  

Quoting DXing (Reply 34): Yet every chance you get you have to start a thread putting her down.

By the way, of the 43 threads with "PALIN" in the topic field I started a total of 2.

That hardly counts as 'every chance' especially when dealing with Palin!


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To continue the sidebar for a moment (don't worry, I'll get back to the main topic in a moment...)

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): Well, without hijacking this thread, why does't he produce his LONG FORM birth certificate? The short form means nothing. As for him being a punk, I forgot to add druggy punk. He said so himself.

The law of Hawaii defines the "short form" as the official response to any birth certificate query, it constitutes legal certification of his birth in Hawaii. Many states now follow this practice. So far there doesn't seem to be any actual proof that he was born somewhere else.

And as for "druggy punk", George W. Bush admitted to cocaine use as well. Who cares? Many people commit "youthful indiscretions" and go on to successful careers (or at least rise to high office.)

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): –noun 1. an adherent of Karl Marx or his theories. –adjective 2. of Karl Marx or his theories. Marx·ist (märk'sĭst) n. One that believes in or follows the ideas of Marx and Engels.

Cool, you can use a dictionary.

But you know perfectly well what I meant: do you have any actual understanding of the ideas of Marx and Engels? An understanding that would allow you to draw the conclusion that Obama and/or Pelosi are actually Marxists? Can you provide an actual example of an Obama policy position that is derived from Marxism?

And I'd throw the same question (substituting "fascism' for "Marxism") at twits like this moron who called Palin a "lipstick fascist."

And now, back to Palin and Hong Kong:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 75): When does a compaign for a US office begin in Hong Kong? She cannot take money from them for her "campaign", that's illegal.

The general consensus, from what I've seen on the Internet (both left and right) is that the Hong Kong speech is important in that Palin is now trying to start building international credentials, an important step if she's serious about a 2012 presidential run.

The speech seems to have gone quite well.

And she could legally solicit donations from Americans in the audience, there were many there. But the purpose of this speech was not fund-raising.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 79): I do not support her going to Hong Kong and speaking of American politics. It is a bad signal , didn't support Clinton doing it , Gore doing it and I don't support he doing it.

Have to disagree - it's very common for politicians, both before and after being in office, to speak of American politics to international audiences. It helps the foreign audience put American politics in context outside the media, and helps the audience get to know possible future American leaders. Foreign politicians commonly come to the US to address various groups as well.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 80): The law of Hawaii defines the "short form" as the official response to any birth certificate query

Seriously dude, don't dignify this argument with a response. I've already handed his ass on a platter concerning this issue before, pointing out that this has been litigated, and every US Federal Court would accept this as authentic and true. And like my argument, he will simply ignore yours because he doesn't like the result. If he must believe that he can't be American because his name is Barack Obama instead of Barry Dunham, then he's not worth wasting any time responding to other than for ridicule.


EDIT: the goods are here: Soldier Won't Deploy: Claims Obama Not President (by Falcon84 Jul 14 2009 in Non Aviation)

Look at my Reply 74. Then kc's Reply 80. Then my Reply 105.

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Gee top boom, you need to get out a little more. Obama was born in Hawaii which has been a state since before Palin 'Caribou Barbi' could see Russia from her front door.


If your'e so upset about where politicians are born why not look into Mcain's birthplace of Panama ?



Obama has been a great success as President and is just getting started despite a massive, concerted effort by the right.



There is finally hope for our country despite the unbelievable damage wrought by the criminally incompetent team of Cheney / Bush.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 80): The speech seems to have gone quite well.

Is there any other source? I've been looking all over CNN, BBC, etc. You'd think SOMEONE would have it on the front page.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83): Is there any other source? I've been looking all over CNN, BBC, etc. You'd think SOMEONE would have it on the front page.

I saw it on the local news here.

The press was kept at bay by the organizers of the event. Very little is known about what has been said. The only footage seen on TV was a grainy one taken by a videophone on which you can't really hear anything.

They interviewed some who attended and judging by the very politically correct tone they adopted she seems to have worked hard to keep it strictly business and to avoid any 'gaffes'.
One said that she seemed to have learnt a lot from her many mistakes made during her 'early' international political career.

They also said she answered only preselected questions and that the organizers refused to say how much she was being paid for the speech.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83): Is there any other source? I've been looking all over CNN, BBC, etc. You'd think SOMEONE would have it on the front page.

The link within the National Review blog I posted the URL to goes through to the New York Times...I probably should have linked directly to that.

Here's the direct link to the So NY Times article.

And here's an article on MSNBC - this is from the AP.

Finally, from the Sydney Morning Herald.

Quoting DXing (Reply 71): Other than the original tweet to her supporters, exactly where and when did she make any other statement other than to chime in with the statement that the House bill was evil?

She apparently made further reference to "death panel" in her Hong Kong speech

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 75): If you call those facts then let me tell you about a Bridge in Brooklyn.

There isn't one?

Quoting D L X (Reply 81): I've already handed his ass on a platter concerning this issue before, pointing out that this has been litigated, and every US Federal Court would accept this as authentic and true. And like my argument, he will simply ignore yours because he doesn't like the result. If he must believe that he can't be American because his name is Barack Obama instead of Barry Dunham, then he's not worth wasting any time responding to other than for ridicule.

Ahhh, no you have not, the Federal Courts have not looked at this, save the 9th Circus in SFO. I never said Obama was not an American, I just doubt he was born here.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 82): If your'e so upset about where politicians are born why not look into Mcain's birthplace of Panama ?

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, in a US Military Hospital.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 82): Obama has been a great success as President and is just getting started despite a massive, concerted effort by the right.

I guess you think Carter was "great" too? What successes has Obama had so far? None that I can see. He cannot even decide if he will send more troops to Afghanistan, or not.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 82): There is finally hope for our country despite the unbelievable damage wrought by the criminally incompetent team of Cheney / Bush.

What crimes did they commit? If Bush/Cheney were incompetent, then I guess Obama/Biden are too.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 87): I just doubt he was born here.

Are we going to have to listen to this for the next seven years. KC, most of the time you have real points to make, but that you are a "believer" in this nonsense lessens your credibility in the long run.

I really question if you believe this or just think it gets Obama supporters upset?


On the other hand, that you were able to get Kwame Kilpatrick, birthers, and Carter in a thread about Palin is really amazing!

Now, back to topic:

Sarah Palin can see China from Hong Kong

Ex-Gov. Sarah Palin made a decorous debut on the international stage Wednesday with a long speech to investors in Hong Kong.
As politicians like ex-President George W. Bush prefer when they leave public office, the event was closed to the evil, distorting media that's probably too cheap to buy a ticket anyway. And as with teenage dating, there's nothing the pursuer wants more than something he can't have.

So, of course, some details always leak out. Palin was reportedly well-received and folksy at times, but gone was any hard-edged partisanship so familiar from the campaign a year ago. She did not mention what's-his-name in the White House who clobbered her Republican presidential ticket last November.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...2009/09/sarah-palin-hong-kong.html

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 87): Ahhh, no you have not

Yes I did, which is why you never responded to it. Go back and read it again. It was epic.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 87): the Federal Courts have not looked at this, save the 9th Circus in SFO.

Again we see that when KC can't handle the answer of people with MUUUUUCH higher authority than him, he just calls them a name and dismisses them. Guess what: The Ninth Circuit is a MUUUUCH higher authority than you, who knows relatively little about this stuff, and even they only got it on appeal from another federal court. In fact, the Supreme Court even has called this claim bogus and denied cert. I guess you're going to call them liberals now, aren't you?  

But as always, I don't expect facts to get in your way. Your claim is not only bogus, but moronic. You have decided that you don't like the president, and will accept anything someone says as true if it is negative. Turn on your brain, man. It is time for you to start challenging the people who feed you information, lest you set yourself up for ridicule.

Even DXing has said this argument is full of crap.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 82): There is finally hope for our country despite the unbelievable damage wrought by the criminally incompetent team of Cheney / Bush.

Hey you should join in the sing along .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo

Quoting Max Q (Reply 82): There is finally hope for our country

Let's just not mix up hope and expected success. Obama's got a long way to go before he can declare himself successful.

With that said, I don't expect I would have much hope if Palin were behind the wheel. That would be like letting someone sit in the left chair up front because they've built a couple model airplanes.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 83): Is there any other source? I've been looking all over CNN, BBC, etc. You'd think SOMEONE would have it on the front page.

Here's the New York Times, for starters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24palin.html?hp

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 84): Very little is known about what has been said.

Here are some fairly extensive excerpts from her blog.

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&ref=search

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 86): She apparently made further reference to "death panel" in her Hong Kong speech

Wrong. According to the NYT, she did NOT mention anything about that.

She did not go to Hong Kong for a Obama-bashing session. As any American public figure should, IMHO, she did not attack the sitting president on foreign soil. You keep the partisan politics at home - when you are overseas, Americans should present a united front.

[Edited 2009-09-24 08:18:14]

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 84): They interviewed some who attended and judging by the very politically correct tone they adopted she seems to have worked hard to keep it strictly business and to avoid any 'gaffes'.

Sounds like she used teleprompters. Can't she make a speech without the use of teleprompters? That makes her look phoney and staged. I mean, if you want to look really presidential, you don't use teleprompters....

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 84): They also said she answered only preselected questions and that the organizers refused to say how much she was being paid for the speech.

I seem to recall another figure from the GOP answering only pre-selected questions on a regular basis.

I say all of this, of course, with the understanding that the media was not allowed inside.

I did read something in the blog I thought was interesting:

"She made an argument for a private industry solution to U.S. healthcare problems, for lower taxes and reduced government. She suggested that China play a more responsible role in international affairs, especially concerning North Korea and Afghanistan."

I realize it is a blog, so it should be taken with a grain of salt, but my thing is: private industry has been working with health care for the past few decades and look where it has gotten us. The GOP has had a lot of time to prove they can lower taxes and reduce government, but have not. Also, why should China do anything about Afganistan and North Korea? The United States is expending all our resources in those two contries plus Iraq and Iran. Why would China get involved? The way things are going now, it will take the United States out of the picture.

I still don't think she has what it takes to be involved being an elected official. I think she will end up being to the right what the right thinks Carter is to the left: dead weight.

Funny, before McCain named her for his running mate the only thread about her was about her election to the Governors office and how every heterosexual in NON AV made a comment that she was hot.
Now every time she makes news there seems a concerted effort to publicly stone her. All the feminists on the left showed their hypocrisy when she was named by bashing her by mainly attacking her background as being not Ivy League educated, not growing up in the Northeast, likes to hunt and fish and field dress/filet and consume what she catches or kills. Has a son who is a enlisted man in the Alaska Natl Guard ( elitist's think something is wrong with their child if they serve their country in the military) . Plus don't forget that other unforgivable and must be destroyed sin of being pro life, all the beautiful/professional power women of upper Manhattan would have aborted a down syndrome fetus in a New York minute, probably because they could not have a prayer of a getting the handicapped child into a exclusive day care or get a nanny that would take care of the child.
Just curious on how many ethics complaints there were before the VP Nomination, tried google but all I got was a Wikipedia bio and don't like using that to quote. I remember the look of Bob Beckel on FOX during the GOP convention when she was named, it was a look we better get busy because the Dems were caught flat footed. The next day a army of investigators and lawyers with DNC money in their accounts descended on Alaska to dig and tear apart her life. Hindsight being 20/20 I wonder if she picks up the phone knowing what John McCain is about to ask her? Plus I congratulate her oldest daughter for dumping that Jackass sperm donor, at least she done something right.
Here is a interesting hypothetical, what if Hillary in 2012 decides to leave the reservation and challenge his Obamaness for the nomination or run as a independent as in today's environment that both parties are held in contempt by the American people. Will the elites attack Hillary ?

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 94): All the feminists on the left showed their hypocrisy when she was named by bashing her by mainly attacking her background as being not Ivy League educated, not growing up in the Northeast, likes to hunt and fish and field dress/filet and consume what she catches or kills. Has a son who is a enlisted man in the Alaska Natl Guard ( elitist's think something is wrong with their child if they serve their country in the military) . Plus don't forget that other unforgivable and must be destroyed sin of being pro life, all the beautiful/professional power women of upper Manhattan would have aborted a down syndrome fetus in a New York minute, probably because they could not have a prayer of a getting the handicapped child into a exclusive day care or get a nanny that would take care of the child.

These is just utter nonsense and full of stupid generalizations.

The "poor Sarah was picked on, and nobody touched the Democratic candidates" is pure BS.

Quoting D L X (Reply 91): That would be like letting someone sit in the left chair up front because they've built a couple model airplanes.

Or like a community organizer 1 term state senator running your company for you ..... See the conservative message does not require a over educated career law student with Marxists ideas to handle.

1. Cut taxes
2. Cut spending
3. Strong defense
4. Fight for freedom and free-market ideas .

Simple , not like the liberals ...they are always having to twist the message and run around the rain drops to please everyone.

Frankly she is about the only one out there speaking of these ideas , so the GOP is in trouble big time. As soon as they get back to basics they will be fine.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 93): Sounds like she used teleprompters. Can't she make a speech without the use of teleprompters? That makes her look phoney and staged. I mean, if you want to look really presidential, you don't use teleprompters....

              

Boy, did you just walk into that one, or what? Obama is the president that seems to need a teleprompter to go to the bathroom, and was repeatedly shown getting all flustered when the teleprompters malfunctioned.

Palin on the other hand, on her very first national live event, went without a teleprompter, and at the GOP convention, the prompters malfunctioned and she either improvised or recalled the speech from memory so well that nobody realized something went wrong until the events were reported.

So thank you for pointing out that Palin appears so much more presidential than Obama  

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 95): These is just utter nonsense and full of stupid generalizations. The "poor Sarah was picked on, and nobody touched the Democratic candidates" is pure BS.

You can't deny that virtually all "women's groups" couldn't stand her. They never promoted her, never defended her, and as I recall, attacked her quite a bit. Apparently being a woman who has risen from a lower-middle class background to successful business and public office means nothing to the Feminazis if you are a conservative.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 96): See the conservative message does not require a over educated career law student with Marxists ideas to handle.

I'm well aware that the Conservative message eschews such things as knowledge, reason, and most of all, education. That's why the world's elite universities tend to be liberal. Because when you actually study stuff and look at facts, logic, and reason, you tend to come out with very Liberal points of view.

On the other hand, when you go with base, gut, animal reactions, you tend to come out a Conservative.

  

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 97): You can't deny that virtually all "women's groups" couldn't stand her

Her or her political philosophy?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 97): They never promoted her, never defended her, and as I recall, attacked her quite a bit.

Isn't that called politics? Why should they support her if their ideologies don't line up?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 97): Apparently being a woman who has risen from a lower-middle class background to successful business

Which business was that?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 97): Apparently being a woman who has risen from a lower-middle class background to successful business and public office means nothing to the Feminazis if you are a conservative.

Correct. Just because she is a woman does not mean that women need to support her.



Should I be a supporter of Joe Lieberman because he is Jewish?

BTW, Rush would be proud that you are using his "Feminazi" label.