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Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:58 pm

I know why I don't! I hate having to "read" the movie visa-vee the subtitles. I find it disorienting and it makes you have to focus to understand what's going on instead of naturally getting it in an American film. Don't get me wrong, I 100% respect other cultures but I just don't see how they can compete with American films. I did some research on this and the general consensus from another forum on another website was American movies have universal appeal, which foreign films don't have. for example, Jaws, Star Wars, Cassablanca, Annie Hall, etc. and since other countries don't produce such renowned films isn't it safe to say that we're the "leader" of the film-making industry? additionally, i think it's also our own culture so naturally we'd prefer our movies too. I had a fight w/ a friend over this and she says that India makes the "best movies" that they're the"leader" even though who the hell knows of any outside of India? Yet in India I'm sure they've heard of Star Wars, Jaws, even actors/actresses too. She also said that americans are brainwashed by Disney and Universal who make movies so we ignore foreign films. Do you think Americans are brainwashed? I mean seriously, how ludicrous!
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:11 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
I mean seriously, how ludicrous!

Yea! We're a community, majority vote, up the workers and all that stuff!

But seriously... what?

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:28 am

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:51 am

I liked Harry Potter.


(Wait, that's a "foreign film", right?)
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:57 am

Foreign films? I love foreign films!



  
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:57 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 3):

(Wait, that's a "foreign film", right?)

Nope, it was made by Warner Bros  
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:13 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Do we not? I have no problem with them.

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
I know why I don't! I hate having to "read" the movie visa-vee the subtitles.

It is not that bad, those of us who do not live in an English-speaking country (that does not dub the movies - I HATE that) can cope very well without losing the flow of the film.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
but I just don't see how they can compete with American films.

Because they may have a good plot, excellent acting and cinematography. Yes, they may not be appealing to the person that will just go for the next action movie no matter how bad it is but for people that appreciate films, language is never a barrier.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
American movies have universal appeal, which foreign films don't have.

American movies do not always have a universal appeal. There are also foreign movies that may have a greater appeal than an American film. I will expand below.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Do you think Americans are brainwashed? I mean seriously, how ludicrous!

No, I wouldn't call them brainwashed. America was just very successful at influencing the pop culture of many other countries, mostly what we call the western world. This though is not without limits, for example, as good as a film may be, it may never have an appeal to me because it may be dealing with things that are completely irrelevant to my life and lifestyle back home (ie. American football, baseball, prom, spring break, too political) .

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
had a fight w/ a friend over this and she says that India makes the "best movies" that they're the"leader" even though who the hell knows of any outside of India?

I don't know if they are the best, but considering that the audience in India is more than a billion people, then add up all the countries in the region that may get those films plus all the expats all around the world, then you have an audience large enough to support that claim. Talking pure numbers, Bollywood movies may be as popular as Hollywood movies, if not more.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
since other countries don't produce such renowned films isn't it safe to say that we're the "leader" of the film-making industry?

Leader in quantity...? Perhaps. Definitely not in quality, but credit is certainly due not as much for the film-making but for the film-selling and self-patting on your back for doing so (Oscars, etc.). Also, without getting too much into semantics, I'd even challange the label "American" movie as most of what's produced in "Hollywood" is not genuinely American, it is a sanitized product of supranational effort where it's shot outside of the US, often by a foreign director with an aim to be digestible to widest audience possible.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Don't get me wrong, I 100% respect other cultures but I just don't see how they can compete with American films.

They obviously can't since they are competing for an audience which in its vast majority is not willing to even consider going to a subtitled movie..

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Do you think Americans are brainwashed? I mean seriously, how ludicrous!

No offense, but with your reasoning you basically proved her point.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:46 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
I hate having to "read" the movie visa-vee the subtitles.

The first time I went to Europe, I found that US movies are subtitled everywhere I went, except in Germany, where they're dubbed. Moral: if you're American, don't go to the movies in Germany.

Now, what I just typed makes about as much sense as the OP's rant did to me.  
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:49 am

Before this turns into yet another American bash fest, let it be known, the OP speaks for only himself.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:00 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
The first time I went to Europe, I found that US movies are subtitled everywhere I went, except in Germany, where they're dubbed. Moral: if you're American, don't go to the movies in Germany.

In most multiplexes you may have a choice between English (original) and German (dubbed). I experienced the same thing in Spain and France as well.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:15 am

I'm sorry, but if I'm honest, your post sounds really quite ethnocentrist (i.e. convinced there is only one privileged cultural point of view). The strength of cultural insularity like this can be a strong national identity and a 'can do' attitude. The price one pays for this, however, is a 'poverty of curiosity', a lack of hunger to know what is rich and different in other places and cultures, which inevitably leads to worldly ignorance and unjustified feelings of superiority.

Let's start with the word 'foreign'. This is an international forum, not even started in the US, with participants from most countries on the planet. "Foreign" is a word you can use to refer non-US nationals when you are speaking to other US nationals in a domestic context. By using 'foreign' here in this forum, you are asking non-US national to read your post as if they were Americans, and understanding them selves to be the 'foreigners' to which you refer. Ironically, this is precisely the effort you say you are not willing to make with non-US films.

It is clearly true that the American marketing machine is the most powerful in turning films in to revenues. However, by far the largest VOLUME of films made per year is in India and yes, in countries I've lived, some big indian films are shown and are popular outside India. A lot of other countries have substantial film making traditions, styles and have produced some of the great films of all time. In Australia, we watch a good number of French, German, Czech, Chinese and other nationalities' films.
Even if Hollywood's own medal ceremonies reward, not surprisingly, almost exclusively their own product, American films are on a level playing field when they are competing at the other major film festivals : Venice, Cannes, Toronto, Melbourne, etc, and only win a minority of awards.

If your post is to tell us that :

i) You can't see your effort in reading subtitles being rewarding in new and refreshing cultural and artistic experiences
ii) You prefer your own culture because a) it's less effort and b) being yours, it is better to you and
iii) You find your country's moves and culture better also OBJECTIVELY

Then, I would say, a) you are entitled to your opinion, but b) I suggest you really 'get out more' (culturally speaking) because you don't know what you're missing and c) to me it's you who are the 'foreigner' (just a point on perspective...)
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:50 am

There are a lot of good foreign films from Japan that are very popular among men.  
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:04 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):

Nope, it was made by Warner Bros

Made? I think you mean distributed by Warner Bros. Produced by a Brit, based on the Harry Potter books written by a Brit, 3/4 of the movies directed by a Brit, filmed mainly in Britain and starring a predominantly British cast.

Yeah an all American movie.  
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:18 am

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 14):
Produced by a Brit, based on the Harry Potter books written by a Brit, 3/4 of the movies directed by a Brit, filmed mainly in Britain and starring a predominantly British cast.

Yeah an all American movie

We outsourced it.  
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:38 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
The first time I went to Europe, I found that US movies are subtitled everywhere I went, except in Germany, where they're dubbed. Moral: if you're American, don't go to the movies in Germany.

Yes,

I was In Germany many years ago and this was the case

I found the dubbing to be really terrible, in fact so bad, I couldn't watch TV.

Can you imagine watching an episode of Dallas spoken entirely in German. Somehow it just didn't work.  
Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
Before this turns into yet another American bash fest


You really are beginning to sound like a broken record, in each and every thread.   

Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
let it be known, the OP speaks for only himself.

I see, so now you've have taken it upon yourself to speak for everyone here have you.

Do you actually have ANYTHING to contribute, or do you always bitch.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
There are a lot of good foreign films from Japan that are very popular among men.

Of course you mean the Mutant Ninja turtles flicks.    !!
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:01 am

I generally find a more lifelike feel to foreign films, as long as they are not dubbed. The stories are allowed to develop in a less-frenetic way, more real.

A well-made film, with subtitles, is still fine entertainment. After watching a sub-titled movie, when I recall particular scenes in the film, I recall them as if I had heard them in English.

In a bizarre twist, my experience has been that, if the sound is turned down on a subtitled film, it is very hard to "hear" the dialog, even though it is written on the screen.

Serious lack of creativity in Hollywood - do we really need an American-made version of "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"? You know it will be more slick - the pretty people, prettier, the ugly ones, uglier, the violence, more violent - but the soul will be gone.

Count me in the "prefers foreign films" camp.
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:12 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 17):
Serious lack of creativity in Hollywood - do we really need an American-made version of "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"? You know it will be more slick - the pretty people, prettier, the ugly ones, uglier, the violence, more violent - but the soul will be gone.

From the recent ones, "Death at a Funeral" comes to mind. A great British comedy only to be ruined by Hollywood's really bad version!
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:38 am

The quality of audio/video and graphics plays a big role for me. I cannot stand grainy, cartoony, crappy audio/visual

I like
Harry Potter
Lord of the Rings

- and they're foreign (UK Movies).
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:17 am

I'm really surprised that I even opened this thread, but after reading OzGlobal's post, I'm glad I did ! The man must be my long-lost twin ( that I didn't even know I have ), because he describes my viewpoint and sentiments even better than I do !

Thank you OzGlobal ! I couldn't agree more...............

Actually, this is one "problem" I haven't had in years; if I watch 2 films in 5 years, I would think I was beginning to regain my "long ago" interest in them. I used to love the "movies"..........."Lawrence of Arabia", "Bridge On The River Kwai",
"Guns Of Navaronne", "African Queen"...............

I suppose there are a few decent movies made now and then, but I almost never go to movies, or even watch the re-runs on the TV; Partly because there are so many other things I enjoy doing more, but mostly because I can't stand many / most of the so-called "film stars" today; Charley Sheen comes to mind, Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, Barbara Streisand, all that lot; They come from "no where", make a few films, make a pile of money, all of a sudden they become "experts" on everything ! Tell us how to live, how to run the country, etc. etc. All the while, they're sleeping with their brother's wife's mother-in-law's youngest daughter...........have nine kids by 8 different "people", none of which are married to anyone, and then they get "busted" for shop-lifting and having a snootfull of nose candy ! And I'm supposed to watch these fools make their millions ?

Thank heavens there are a few exceptions, but they are all too rare. I don't expect everyone to be perfect, but if they want to live like perverts, don't flaunt it in my face, then wonder why I don't pay any attention to your "business" any more. There are far too many good people, too many interesting people to "watch", to listen to, to read, to waste my time on the misfits any longer.

I have a great tendency to enjoy things that are "real", as opposed to things that are "make believe"; it's one of many reasons I enjoy A.net so much...........I joined it to look at the photos, and really spend a lot of time looking at them, but I have found that the people are even more interesting; there are more people, who have more knowledge about more things, on this website than anyplace I've ever been, and I've found that many are really great people,,,,,,,,,,they speak more languages than I've ever even heard, yet they can all communicate in the only language I know ! I find that fascinating; much more so than some dumb film !

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Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:42 am

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:45 am

I've always loved foreign films. Foreign language, foreign country, whatever you want to call it. Trying to think what my first French film was, maybe Subway or Diva back in 1982'ish, or some Dutch Rutger Hauer film. I love Italian cinema from the 40s, war time films, or French new wave from the 60s onward. Contemporary films whether it be in French, German or Italian or others, I can't get enough of. I've seen Almodovar films since 1987/88 and one of life's greatest ongoing treasures is awaiting his next film.

I mind my own business though and don't judge others on their desire to not want to read subtitles and see foreign (to them) films. Nothing wrong with that.

Quoting jasp25 (Reply 19):
The quality of audio/video and graphics plays a big role for me. I cannot stand grainy, cartoony, crappy audio/visual

I like
Harry Potter
Lord of the Rings

- and they're foreign (UK Movies).

I believe LucasFilm had a hand in these films?
err, Lord of the Rings? Not giving any nod to New Zealand?

Technically HP is an American film. The franchise has been sold to the Americans before the film began filming. Ceremonial wise, "tug at your heart string wise" and the 'vibe' you get from the feeling of this film is, of course, English. But who wrote the Book, where it was filmed, who stars in it and whether the Director was a Russian living in Zambia, has no bearing. Lots of variables, but pretty much who finances the film. Who puts up the money. Most British films just don't have the financing and deep pockets to produce these types of films. Even the Kings Speech didn't have the deep enough pockets (excelelnt film though) and used a gay porn set to film some of it's scenes.

This is a Warner Bros. film. and the studio heads greenlight the director, producer etc.

Quote:
In 1998, Rowling sold the film rights of the first four Harry Potter books to Warner Bros. for a reported £1 million ($1,982,900).[135][136] Rowling demanded the principal cast be kept strictly British, nonetheless allowing for the inclusion of Irish actors such as the late Richard Harris as Dumbledore, and for casting of French and Eastern Europe actors in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire where characters from the book are specified as such.[137] After many directors including Steven Spielberg, Terry Gilliam, Jonathan Demme, and Alan Parker were considered, Chris Columbus was appointed on 28 March 2000 as director for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (titled "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" in the United States), with Warner Bros. citing his work on other family films such as Home Alone and Mrs. Doubtfire and proven experience with directing children as influences for their decision.

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The first director was American, then there was a mexican director and a few british directors ensuing as well, but would you call the 2nd film a "mexican film"?. Or would that even matter? I've seen me some excellent Mexican films I must say.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:34 am

I wouldn't say "Americans don't like foreign films".
The U.S. movie industry provides movies aimed at the different audience, made by small and large studios.
With the highest concentration of money/best actors/directors/screenwriters/producers and other professionals - it just delivers very good products, I'd say.
French movies are good - but I see same actors (not more than a dozen) in every single A-class French movie.

Besides, outstanding actors in Hollywood can choose.
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:11 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
American movies have universal appeal, which foreign films don't have

What is universal appeal? The same basic story can be told in many different ways and there are undoubtedly international equivalents of many a Hollywood movie that are more popular in their own markets.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
since other countries don't produce such renowned films isn't it safe to say that we're the "leader" of the film-making industry

A little blinkered there, I think. I'm sure the French, Spanish, Argentinian, Brazilian, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Egyptian, Tunisian, Greek, Italian, Iranian, Australian, New Zealanders etc amongst us could point to famous/renowned/thought provoking films that have been produced in their own countries. It's a big world outside your shores and just because you don't hear about something doesn't mean it's not there.

You could probably say the same about music, literature, theatre, art and television.

Seen any of these, non-American, (no subtitles)?

Once Were Warriers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110729/
Breaker Morant http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080310/
Whale Rider http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298228/


A popular show on tv in the UK is "The Killing" which is Danish, with subtitles (boo hiss) and is 20 episodes for 20 days in a police investigation. A bit in the mould of 24 and Jack Bauer's activities, but without the frantic action and probably with more convoluted plotlines. Would it ever show in America? High-brow tv or popular tv?

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:46 am

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Do you think Americans are brainwashed? I mean seriously, how ludicrous!

I guess not more brainwashed than others, but for sure many Americans don't know anything else than American culture, and consequently have a very limited view of the world.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:10 am

Quoting jasp25 (Reply 19):
Lord of the Rings

- and they're foreign (UK Movies).

It's a good thing for you that there are less than 5 million Kiwis on the planet or you'd be in BIG trouble! LOTR is very big in NZ.

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:16 pm

This thread is about as grand as the member hocking expats as 'whoosies' cause they left Japan.  
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:37 pm

I don't like foreign movies because of the subtitles I find annoying and b) while I believe foreign countries CAN make renowned films like the US they simply DON'T! They just seem to be redundant i.e they always have morals and the same actors all the time, whereas milions of people struggle to make it in the film industry in LA not Cannes or some other country (for the most part, maybe there are exceptions). And I simply believe there's a reason for that. I like foreign cultures and have gone to a lot of places, it's just their movies I don't like, like most americans anyway. that's the point I'm trying to make. i can see some people agree with me too but i respect and understand those who don't.
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
we're the "leader" of the film-making industry?

That would be Bollywood of India in quantity.

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Disney

Most of the classic Disney stories are actually European stories ( Peter Pan, The Little Mermaid, Snow white, The Junglebook, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the beast , Pinocchio ) Others are originally Asian like Mulan. The first known version of Cinderella is Chinese. The most well known version is French .


Alot of the movies that you see in the cinema and perhaps think is originally American, is foreign. When the American industry sees a good foreign film, they buy the rights for it and make an American version of it instead of showing the original version. Alot of origanl Norwegian films has caught the interest of the American industry in the last few years. Instead of showing the original Norwegian version, they make an Americanised version , changing the actors from Norwegian to American actors, to english language and set the story to an american enviroment / location.

An example of an origianl Norwegian film turned American:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278504/

( The original Norwegian one is better. Trust me )




So you proabably watch alot more foreign films than you think. You just don't know it.
 
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
There are a lot of good foreign films from Japan that are very popular among men.

Pray tell  

Go to any half-decent art house and you'll see excellent films from all corners of the globe. Often an acquired tatste, well worth the trouble. At this moment our local art house is showing films from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Mexico, Chili, Japan, Canada, France, Italy, Iran, Russia, and Austria.

Thank God all non-Dutch language films are subtitled. How do Germans cope?
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 28):
I don't like foreign movies because of the subtitles I find annoying and b) while I believe foreign countries CAN make renowned films like the US they simply DON'T

Yes they do, but they are not English and therefor probably don't get shown at lot. The French Taxi and Asterix movies for instance are good. Germany has several movies that are excellent: Das Boot, Der Untergang, Goodbye Lenin. Last year the movie Sint was released in the Netherlands, quite a good movie although I would expect a lot of the jokes will be lost on people that are not from the Netherlands. If you don´t mind older movies the Flodder movies (and TV series) can be good fun as well, although visually it has aged quite badly.

First ten minutes of Taxi 3. (who knew Sylvester Stallone spoke French?)
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 28):
whereas milions of people struggle to make it in the film industry in LA not Cannes or some other country

I doubt that even if France had a film industry comparable to that of the USA, that it would have anything to do with the city of Cannes (apart from the annual film festival held there).

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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Quoting jasp25 (Reply 19):
Lord of the Rings

- and they're foreign (UK Movies).

You can't mention LOTR without mentioning Pete's classic back catalogue Bad Taste, Brain Dead and Meet the Feebles, all classic Kiwi movies.

James Bond movies are pretty popular for foreign films, they might be distributed by US based studios but the rights are owned by EON Productions and mostly made at Pinewood both are a UK companies.

I watched Snatch and Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels in the US, both movies were subtitled.

Australia has made some classics, Bad Boy Bubby, Romper Stomper, Prascilla Queen of The Desert, Mad Max trilogy, Babe, Muriels Wedding, Moulin Rouge, Crocodile Dundee
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 7):
It is not that bad, those of us who do not live in an English-speaking country (that does not dub the movies - I HATE that) can cope very well without losing the flow of the film.

I learned to read Greek because of Greek sub-titles while spending my idyllic, youthful summers in Greece.

I love foreign movies. I prefer sub-titles to dubbing.
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting goblin211 (Thread starter):
Do you think Americans are brainwashed?

Gawd.... after reading this whole thread I'd have to say that Americans aren't exactly brainwashed. They actually have to have a brain first.  

Just barely scratching the surface, but how about these "foreign" films.....

-Das Boot by acclaimed director Wolfgang Petersen that came out of West Germany.

-The Good, The Bad & The Ugly by director Sergio Leone produced by Production Co:Produzioni Europee Associati (PEA) in Italy. (filmed in Spain)

-Australia (2008) - a Baz Luhrmann Film starring Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman

- 2001: A Space Odyssey, Stanley Kubrik, England

Ever heard of Pinewood Studios, you know, where all the James Bond 007 films came from. British you know.

I could easily go on, but it's such a waste of time debating the OP who obviously has led such a sheltered and nieve life. Perhaps once he's "lived" more, he'll see the light.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:03 pm

America is the biggest movie maker of the English speaking world. We watch Canadian movies and TV and enjoy them as local North American product and culture. We also watch many British or Australian or maybe Kiwi things. These are readily accepted.


India may create a lot of English language materials, but their culture is very different. Their cinema will continue to get more popular here!

As for other languages... look... we expect our own language in cinema.

Naturally, the rest-of-world is exposed to US movies because they are huge budget, often global events... sometimes created with the global marketplace in mind. It's a nice export industry for us.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:15 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
As for other languages... look... we expect our own language in cinema.


Sadly, it keeps people from the US away from a lot of world culture. Same goes for languages, most US citizens do not speak another language, most of the US citizens I have met when travelling tend to have problem with food abroad, or adapting for foreign customs. I guess the US has pampered them way too much that they are simply not able to adapt to others as most cultures do. Another sad thing about US cinema is that they tend to stereotype foreign cultures and most US citizens you meet abroad tend judge non US people a lot through the US cinema stereotype.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):

Yes,

I was In Germany many years ago and this was the case

I found the dubbing to be really terrible, in fact so bad, I couldn't watch TV.

Can you imagine watching an episode of Dallas spoken entirely in German. Somehow it just didn't work.

I can only partly agree with you on this one. Some American TV series have a terrible German dubbing because of lacking lip-synchronicity or bad translation (I can't stand the German version of HIMYM or The Big Bang Theory!), I agree on that one. But I would say the majority of American blockbuster movies shown in Germany have a pretty good dubbing. I would even go so far to say that German is one of the best languages for dubbing an anglophone movie. If the dubbing is properly done, movies are perfectly fine in German Language.

However, some movies or TV series should only be watched in their original version, especially comedies because some jokes are hard to translate. For instance, I prefer the original French version of "Bienvenue chez les Ch’tis" or , the original version of Little Britain over the German ones.
Can't speak for Dallas, though   
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:34 pm

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 38):

No matter how good the dubbing is, I wanna watch a movie and listen for example, to Angelina's voice, not some German voice-over actor. During my 4-month stay in Germany, 99% of TV, including American films and series were off limits to me, quite boring if you are a foreigner.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:56 pm

I totally agree that as a foreigner, who is used to the orginal versions, watching a dubbed movie version can be quite disturbing.

[Edited 2011-03-18 15:59:51]
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:21 am

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 28):
while I believe foreign countries CAN make renowned films like the US they simply DON'T! They just seem to be redundant i.e they always have morals and the same actors all the time, whereas milions of people struggle to make it in the film industry in LA not Cannes or some other country

If you don't know what is wrong with the statement you just wrote then we don't have much basis for discussion. Just for starters, Cannes is neither a country nor a place with a film industry, it is a small boutique beach resort on the Mediterranean that happens to have a film festival of note. The French, Chinese, Australian, British and Russian movies of great importance may not make a splash in your heartland shopping mall multiplex, but then when was that ever a measure of 'importance'? This argument feels like a debate about food where you are telling me that your super-sized fries are obviously better value and more popular than a fine meal in a restaurant.
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
I see, so now you've have taken it upon yourself to speak for everyone here have you.

Do you actually have ANYTHING to contribute, or do you always bitch.

umm, no. If you could keep your knee from jerking before you post, you might be cognizant that I said the OP doesn't speak for every American here, since that is implied in the title. Are you saying otherwise or you just need to bitch about something?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 33):
Australia has made some classics, Bad Boy Bubby, Romper Stomper, Prascilla Queen of The Desert, Mad Max trilogy, Babe, Muriels Wedding, Moulin Rouge, Crocodile Dundee

New Zealand has had a couple. The Worlds Fastest Indian is a motorcyclists classic and there was a certain Zombie movie that was hilarious, can't remember the name. I have over 800 movies collected.

France deserves a notable mention, plenty of classics. I happen to have everything Luc Besson ever made, I think.

There are a number of reasons Americans don't see many foreign movies besides ethnocentrism as the usual suspects would like us to believe. Mostly, it's the sheer number of US made movies. Hollywood pumps out 4-500 movies every year. This doesn't include the independents. ~600 movies are released every year. There just isn't a lot of room for imports to get attention. In fact, a bunch of Hollywood movies (and TV series) are never seen by US audiences or are sent straight to DVD rental shop oblivion.

Of course, that pales in comparison to Bollywood with ~1,400 releases every year.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 35):


Just barely scratching the surface, but how about these "foreign" films.....

Not to mention Hero; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; Ip Man; and all the other movies to come out of Hong Kong (and the rest of China as well).

Russia also makes some pretty good movies and TV shows, but due to the cultural divide (mostly thanks due to the cold war), almost none of them have ever seen the light of day (or even the dark of night) in the US.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):

India may create a lot of English language materials, but their culture is very different. Their cinema will continue to get more popular here!

I'm quite surprised they haven't gotten as big as the Chinese films have, considering they make thousands of movies every year. Occasionally you'll see a limited release Bollywood film, but it's not that easy to find them even on Netflix.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 37):
Same goes for languages, most US citizens do not speak another language, most of the US citizens I have met when travelling tend to have problem with food abroad, or adapting for foreign customs.

Exactly. I consider myself above average in being able to adapt, and I struggle a bit.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 37):
I guess the US has pampered them way too much that they are simply not able to adapt to others as most cultures do.

To be fair, the US is about the same size as the whole of Europe, which has over a dozen different languages that people are exposed to.

But I agree that a foreign language should be a requirement starting in elementary school.

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 40):
watching a dubbed movie version can be quite disturbing.

Exactly. Give me subtitles any day over a dub, at least for live action movies.
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:08 am

Lol no one mentions the pink elephant in the room and I can see why, it will be deleted... Anyway I do believe the US is a powerhouse when in comes to the movie industry...
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:40 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 42):
and there was a certain Zombie movie that was hilarious, can't remember the name.

That would be Peter Jackson's Braindead, you should also see Black Sheep, you'll never look at sheep the same way again.

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 44):
Lol no one mentions the pink elephant in the room and I can see why, it will be deleted...

Too many illiterate people living in the US?
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:50 am

Here is an interesting German film.
Die Solo-Kampfmaschine
It appears to have been made in the United States like many other 'foreign films'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX7wUVWiw8I&feature=related
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:45 am

I'm guessing that this thread refers to foreign language films rather than foreign made films. Does that mean that Spanish language movies are ok?

German dubbing is one thing but the titles are hilarious! Bridget Jones' Diary (a British film if I recall correctly) when dubbed into German was renamed Schokolade zum Frühstück (Chocolate for Breakfast). WTF?

I saw Benny Hill in German on a visit there some years ago, now that was weird!
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:43 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 47):
German dubbing is one thing

Russian dubbing is even worse, they just talk over the top of the original soundtrack, you can still hear the original voices when the russians stop talking.
 
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RE: Why Don't Americans Like Foreign Films?

Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting lewis (Reply 7):
It is not that bad, those of us who do not live in an English-speaking country (that does not dub the movies - I HATE that) can cope very well without losing the flow of the film.

Maybe we should compare reading comprehension skills in countries that show subtitled films at the theatre and the US of A.   

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 12):
It is not that bad, those of us who do not live in an English-speaking country (that does not dub the movies - I HATE that) can cope very well without losing the flow of the film.

Welcome to my RU list.

And here's a small contribution, which suggests that at least some Americans see the narrow horizon as a problem. Unless, of course, this video is supposed to be serious... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnxNnJYziMY
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