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Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:10 pm

Wonder if the same groups that blasted President Bush for his answer will have anything negative to say about President Obama's? Naaaaah, what was I thinking.......   

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...eed&utm_content=feed&utm_term=feed


"There are all sorts of day-to-day issues where I say to myself, oh, I didn't say that right, or I didn't explain this clearly enough," Obama said, "or maybe if I had sequenced this plan first as opposed to that one, maybe it would have gotten done quicker."

But the president mentioned no actual mistakes.


I would nominate his line to GOP leaders at the White House when he told them "I won." which immediately tossed any kind of partisan effort on health care over the side of the boat. Even in front of that would have been installing a partisan hack like Rob Emanuel as chief of staff. That sent out the signal that the gop was not welcome.

But some of his supporters have already come up with the best rebuttal line I've heard so far.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110421...kileaksmanningbritainpoliticsobama

"Dear Mr. President we honor you today sir / Each of us brought you $5,000 /

It takes a lot of Benjamins to run a campaign / I paid my dues, where's our change?" the song began.

"We'll vote for you in 2012, yes that's true / Look at the Republicans - what else can we do / Even though we don't know if we'll retain our liberties /

In what you seem content to call a free society,"



Latest polling finds that 70% think the country is on the wrong track.

http://www.kpax.com/news/poll-70-of-...ricans-say-country-on-wrong-track/

Seventy percent of Americans say the country is on the wrong track -- the highest percentage since Mr. Obama first took office. Just 26 percent say it is headed in the right direction. Only 19 percent say the economy is in good condition, while 80 percent say it is in bad condition.

Guess 70% of the poll respondents can find a mistake.

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):

Seventy percent of Americans say the country is on the wrong track -- the highest percentage since Mr. Obama first took office. Just 26 percent say it is headed in the right direction. Only 19 percent say the economy is in good condition, while 80 percent say it is in bad condition.

Guess 70% of the poll respondents can find a mistake.

I wonder if it has to do anything with the Republicans in congress.. hmmm.. interesting..

You have to remember that bad polling is also reflective of the "far left" who feel that he has not gone far enough left, in addition to "far right" who think that he has gone too far to the left.

The interesting question to those 70% would be: "Why do you think that the country is heading in the wrong direction?"

An answer could be "because republican took control of the house".

From your own link

"Seventy-five percent of Americans - three in four - say they disapprove of the job Congress is doing. That's up from 66 percent last month."

http://www.kpax.com/news/poll-70-of-...ricans-say-country-on-wrong-track/

I thought Republicans were going to solve all the problems - which reminds me - how come they haven't?
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
But the president mentioned no actual mistakes.

Perhaps he just truly believes that what he is doing is right and therefore has not messed up? Whether or not anyone agrees with him, he could truly believe it.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
You have to remember that bad polling is also reflective of the "far left" who feel that he has not gone far enough left

That's a good point

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):

I thought Republicans were going to solve all the problems - which reminds me - how come they haven't?

Neither party can solve all problems, and neither party will EVER solve all problems. They need to work together, and there really needs to be more than two parties in the US like in most other developed countries.
 
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
You have to remember that bad polling is also reflective of the "far left" who feel that he has not gone far enough left, in addition to "far right" who think that he has gone too far to the left.

Correct, he's getting very good at pissing off everyone by being an absentee leader.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
I thought Republicans were going to solve all the problems - which reminds me - how come they haven't?

They should have the same two years that the President and the democratic led Congress had. The two years they wasted on healthcare rather than working on fixing the economy.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
They need to work together

That's the point, but when one side is told "I won" and whose ideas are substantively ignored and/or dismissed during a major debate, or presents a budget with numbers only to be ridiculed and presented with "ideas" in return, that is not working together nor even attempting too. Supposedly he got himself elected by saying he was going to change the tone, but has since gone tone deaf.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:54 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 3):
Supposedly he got himself elected by saying he was going to change the tone, but has since gone tone deaf.

I study quite a bit of US political history as a personal interest of mine, and I have a hard time recollected many recent US leaders (not just Presidents) who followed through with a ton of their campaign promises...scummy, yes, but a game that both sides play.
 
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):
yes, but a game that both sides play.


I would challenge you to find statements that the most recent Presidents, going back to President Reagan or even Carter, which to me anyway is the time period that extreme partisanship began, that rival the kinds of ridicule that President Obama has uttered in public about his republican opposition.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 5):
I would challenge you to find statements that the most recent Presidents, going back to President Reagan or even Carter, which to me anyway is the time period that extreme partisanship began, that rival the kinds of ridicule that President Obama has uttered in public about his republican opposition.

My apologies if I did not make myself clear. What I was saying is that it is common for politicians to break campaign promises. That is all I was saying. I was not referring to the specific situation.
 
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:38 pm

Just adopt the Canadian way of doing things: have the opposing party/parties call an election because you don't like the way things are running in government. New President (or in our case, Prime Minister) every time, and if the new one screws up, you just call an election.

Then again, the 2011 Federal Election has been our fourth election since 2003, and our voters are becoming fatigued because of it. That, and we're getting tired of the Liberals and NDP always challenging every little thing our Prime Minister does, be it health care, foreign affairs (Afghanistan), taxes, etc.

Not sure if the Canadian-style 'call an election every time you piss off the opposition' government would work in the United States, though.

Just offering my opinion.

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:44 pm

Quoting westjetforlife (Reply 7):
Just offering my opinion.

And I appreciate it. Anymore though, our politicians are in full campaign mode 24/7/365 no matter where in the election cycle we really are.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:47 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 8):
Anymore though, our politicians are in full campaign mode 24/7/365 no matter where in the election cycle we really are.

Can't disagree with you there. Wish our politicians would use that same tactic: act as if the next day IS the election and not spew stuff that would hurt their chances of being re-elected.

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:03 pm

Ronald Reagan said ... " No pastels ..raise the flag with Bold colors " .... I want to thank President Obama for standing and leading with bold colors . No American should have a doubt in 2012 what they are voting for or against ... I like that, I like clear ideological leadership . I may not agree with him ... but I appreciate him standing for what he believes in.

McCain may have well done more harm by being somewhere in a RINO gray area . President Obama leaves no doubt where he stands IMO. As far as mistakes go ... it all depends what side you fall on . Politically , many say he should come to the center and played the game ... I am glad he didn't .. now we have a clear choice.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
I wonder if it has to do anything with the Republicans in congress.. hmmm.. interesting..



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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:20 pm

[quote=dxing,reply=0]Dear Mr. President we honor you today sir / Each of us brought you $5,000 /

It takes a lot of Benjamins to run a campaign / I paid my dues, where's our change?" the song began.

I too,sang a song,"Brother,can you spare a dime?"and then I was escorted out of the room

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:42 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 3):
he's getting very good at pissing off everyone by being an absentee leader.

Whaaaa? I thought the right wanted less government involvement? But, how can they want less involvement but more involvement?

I think it is interesting that a president actually listened to the opposition and allowed the opposition to be in his presence. A bold way of running things, I think. No "free speech zones" miles away for this president! People oppose him and he sees them.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
I would nominate his line to GOP leaders at the White House when he told them "I won." which immediately tossed any kind of partisan effort on health care over the side of the boat. Even in front of that would have been installing a partisan hack like Rob Emanuel as chief of staff. That sent out the signal that the gop was not welcome.

The GOP doesn't have much of a leg to stand on there - when was the last time they were welcoming to the Democrats? They're certainly not welcoming now.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Whaaaa? I thought the right wanted less government involvement? But, how can they want less involvement but more involvement?

If there's one thing the GOP is making clear, it's that while smaller government might be a plank in their platform, they're more than willing to sacrifice it in favor of pushing their ideology through.

As for Obama's comments, at least he admitted to making some mistakes, but it still wasn't the best answer he could have given.

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:52 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110421...kileaksmanningbritainpoliticsobama

"Dear Mr. President we honor you today sir / Each of us brought you $5,000 /

It takes a lot of Benjamins to run a campaign / I paid my dues, where's our change?" the song began.

"We'll vote for you in 2012, yes that's true / Look at the Republicans - what else can we do / Even though we don't know if we'll retain our liberties /

In what you seem content to call a free society,"

Interestingly - these are past supporters, who think that the country has not gone far enough left (ie "change").

Its funny that you "borrow" their criticism, and make it seem like they are supporting the causes you embrace and try to paint their criticism as a support for Republican values - which cannot be farther from the truth.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:49 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
No American should have a doubt in 2012 what they are voting for or against ... I like that, I like clear ideological leadership . I may not agree with him ... but I appreciate him standing for what he believes in.

What a farce. The dude* waits weeks to months in time critical situations only to arrive at a non-committal position. He panders to one audience, then blatantly contradicts himself when he panders to the next audience. He's a grade-A opportunist who hasn't been responsible for taking real action until he stepped into the Oval Office.

Where does Obama actually stand on foreign policy? Where does he actually stand on energy? Where does he actually stand on economic policy? We don't have a friggin clue.

* - Jon Stewart's name, not mine.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Whaaaa? I thought the right wanted less government involvement? But, how can they want less involvement but more involvement?

That's a complete non-sequitur. Obama's style of leadership is to interfere in places he has no business interfering. How do you figure wanting a real leader who knows when not to exercise the awesome power trusted to him is a desire for more government involvement?
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
Whaaaa? I thought the right wanted less government involvement? But, how can they want less involvement but more involvement?

There is a huge difference between leading and being involved.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
I think it is interesting that a president actually listened to the opposition and allowed the opposition to be in his presence

      They paid 5k a person to get into that breakfast and disguised their t-shirts under other clothing until the woman rose and started singing, at which point they were immediately ushered out of the room, most likely to a "free speech" zone. My guess would be that their names are now on a list of not to be admitted no matter how much they offer.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
The GOP doesn't have much of a leg to stand on there - when was the last time they were welcoming to the Democrats? They're certainly not welcoming now.

??? The President studiously ignored any proposals, in fact denied that the GOP had any until he was handed a printed copy of them, and then continued to describe them as "not serious" all through the health care debate. Speaker Boehner has described how he has repeatedly asked the President to sit down and work with them on a budget for next year only to either recieve no reply or to be rebuffed by the White House.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
As for Obama's comments, at least he admitted to making some mistakes

I'd like to know where. In the order he did things and how he explained things, not in substantive decisions that I see in that reply.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 14):
Its funny that you "borrow" their criticism, and make it seem like they are supporting the causes you embrace and try to paint their criticism as a support for Republican values - which cannot be farther from the truth.

I stated they had the best line so far, and I think they do. I did not intone they were supporting GOP causes, which is why you probably didn't quote any of my statement save that linked piece.

The fact remains that whether democrat, republican, or independent, 70% think the country is headed down the wrong track and 57% disapprove of the Presidents handling of ithe economy. Congress rates even worse but there's nothing new about that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110422/ts_nm/us_usa_economy_poll

Seventy percent of respondents said the country was heading in the wrong direction and most think neither President Barack Obama nor Congressional Republicans share their priorities for the country, the poll showed.

He can blame Bush all he wants but 2 1/2 years after his election, nobody is buying that line anymore.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 16):
I'd like to know where. In the order he did things and how he explained things

Which is what he said. I said it wasn't a good answer.

Quoting dxing (Reply 16):
Speaker Boehner has described how he has repeatedly asked the President to sit down and work with them on a budget for next year only to either recieve no reply or to be rebuffed by the White House.

Which translates to: we're calling on the Democrats to accept our budget. If they don't, they're not being cooperative.

The Democrats are hardly blameless since they've been doing the same thing, as you described, but the Republicans are certainly not part of the solution either.

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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:22 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 3):

They should have the same two years that the President and the democratic led Congress had. The two years they wasted on healthcare rather than working on fixing the economy.

lol. Who in the US is actually interested in "fixing the economy". Democrats? No. Republicans? Hell No. Look at what we have had so far. The new congress is far more concerned with playing games and pandering to their extremist religious base.

Hell, why even talk about health care when Republicans are fundamentally opposed to science education? Turning kids away from scientific analysis and towards rote memorization of bible passages isn't going to help our medical/pharmaceutical industries and is not going to affect the economy in a positive way.

What about the time and effort spent on this Planned Parenthood BS? All symbolic, in order to pander to religious zealots.

Hell, if you're are truly concerned about the economy, you'd offer up free, subsidized abortions. Will Republicans do that? NO.
 
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
Neither party can solve all problems, and neither party will EVER solve all problems. They need to work together, and there really needs to be more than two parties in the US like in most other developed countries.

Yet the GOP campaigned on a platform to solve the troubles...so it's only fair to ask the GOP why there hasn't even been a single bill drafted to address the issue of jobs.

Quoting dxing (Reply 3):
Correct, he's getting very good at pissing off everyone by being an absentee leader.

If he's too far left, he's criticized. If he swings to far right, he's also criticized. If he stays central, he's also criticized. I wonder what the happy medium is...

Quoting dxing (Reply 3):
They should have the same two years that the President and the democratic led Congress had. The two years they wasted on healthcare rather than working on fixing the economy.

Is it just my imagination or has the unemployment rate been dropping these past few months? No single person can expect to fix an economy overnight and the results of the first two years are being seen these days. Whether the right wishes to acknowledge it is another matter entirely.

Quoting westjetforlife (Reply 7):

Just adopt the Canadian way of doing things: have the opposing party/parties call an election because you don't like the way things are running in government. New President (or in our case, Prime Minister) every time, and if the new one screws up, you just call an election.

Nothing would get done. As soon as a government is formed and does not conform to the opposition, elections would be held once again. Imagine if the GOP/Democrats had a minority government...2048 would arrive and nothing would still be done.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:24 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 18):
The new congress is far more concerned with playing games and pandering to their extremist religious base.

That's a giant WTF. You must not be following Congress lately. Fiscal policy has been front and center since the day the new Congress took office. Even the PP issue you reference is no more than a footnote.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 18):
Republicans are fundamentally opposed to science education

That is absurd  
Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 18):
What about the time and effort spent on this Planned Parenthood BS?

The B.S. is the number of tentacles the federal government spreads into the private affairs of Americans. The federal government has no business being involved with an organization like Planned Parenthood regardless of the fiscal health of the nation. Line it up, chop it off, and move on to the next issue. There's no shortage of them.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 19):
Is it just my imagination or has the unemployment rate been dropping these past few months?

Unemployment rate is the number of people without jobs divided by the total size of the workforce. Some believe that unemployment has dropped because some have given up searching for jobs and thus left the workforce. That isn't exactly a positive outcome.

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Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:02 pm

Of course our Kenyan president doesn't think he hasn't made any mistakes. Know who else thought that everything he did was right? Hitler. Just like Adolf did, Barry has all sorts of delusions that what he is doing is good for the people. I hate him, and cannot wait for him to GTFO of the White House.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
Which translates to: we're calling on the Democrats to accept our budget. If they don't, they're not being cooperative.

It translates into a budget needs to be passed and with divided government it will take both sides working together to get it done. Refusing to meet is not being uncooperative, it's being immature. Speaker Boehner is not stupid enough to believe he can get everything he wants but the democrats seem to think the longer they wait the better deal they will somehow get.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 19):
Is it just my imagination or has the unemployment rate been dropping these past few months?

As many other posters have pointed out, the drop this time has more to do with a persons benefits running out.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 19):
No single person can expect to fix an economy overnight and the results of the first two years are being seen these days. Whether the right wishes to acknowledge it is another matter entirely.

In the Reagan era recession the average was 9.7 percent (the actual monthly high was over 10%). By 1984 it had dropped to 7.5 percent.
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RE: Pres. Obama, No Mistakes So Far.

Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:35 am

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 21):
Know who else thought that everything he did was right? Hitler.

Godwin's Law achieved in 21 posts.

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