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Top Gear - Clarkson Suspended Part 2

Fri May 01, 2015 1:12 am

As the first thread was approaching 300 replies here is part two. The original thread is archived but available here:

Top Gear - Clarkson Suspended (by GDB Mar 10 2015 in Non Aviation)
 
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RE: Top Gear - Clarkson Suspended Part 2

Fri May 01, 2015 2:42 am

Quoting bjcc (Reply 288):
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You start with saying it's not racist, then go onto to say that its sometimes found to be. Which is it?

Not sure what "it" is in your post. The first paragraph of my post specifically refers to one phrase, the second refers to incidents in general which are charged as "political correctness gone mad" etc. There's no inconsistency as far as I can tell.
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RE: Top Gear - Clarkson Suspended Part 2

Fri May 01, 2015 11:43 am

Your post is entirely incoinsistant!

For starters, the expression you used is inherently racist. Why? Simple, the definition of racist is what someone says it is. I find what you said to be, and I know a number of others who do as well. It is ergo racist. Thats the end of the discussion I'm afraid. For clarification read Macpheason, it's his reports definition and the one adapted inbto British law as a result.

Now, I put money on what your next comment is....That the above is rediculous. And yes, you're correct it is, and that is the point, and also the biggest inconistancy in what you are saying.
 
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RE: Top Gear - Clarkson Suspended Part 2

Fri May 01, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting bjcc (Reply 2):
Now, I put money on what your next comment is....That the above is rediculous. And yes, you're correct it is, and that is the point, and also the biggest inconistancy in what you are saying.

No, it's actually not at all rediculous (sic)- only the scale is wrong. What is and isn't racist is frequently (and correctly) defined in terms of what is generally socially acceptable. Innocent phrases often acquire racial connotations over time.

Remember, all these things are just words. They don't have any inherent meaning until they are ascribed one. Meanings can change over time, and things which weren't racist can become such. The phrase "calling a spade a spade" is not racist in and of itself- in fact its etymology is Classical Greek- but if it acquires negative racial connotations then I (and others) should stop using it (at least assuming we don't want to be perceived as racist). Nothing at all wrong with that; it's just how language evolves.

Thus far however, I have never heard anybody in the UK suggest to me that this phrase is racist. That suggests that if such a connotation does exist, it is only perceived by a tiny minority of the population, thus your contention "In the UK you would have just said something (apparently) deeply disrespectful and racist" is at best a massive exaggeration and at worse a complete falsehood.

The problem here is a disconnect between your perception of how commonly people take offense to things, and the reality of how often that actually happens in your life (and by extension the rest of reality). That disconnect can be ascribed mostly to the media's obsession with falsifying stories which support that claim.

At least, hopefully that's the problem- because the next most likely explanation is that you're a rude and offensive person who says rude and offensive things. Let's hope for your sake that's not true- but for plenty of people it unfortunately is.
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