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Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:36 am

Garuda Indonesia is planing on starting Jakarta to Los Angeles (via NRT)

You guys think it will actually happen?
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:37 am

Sure why not, Indonesia just received FAA Category 1 rating.

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Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:44 am

Sounds like a magnificent way to lose a lot of money.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:49 am

Does the 77W have the range?

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Sounds like a magnificent way to lose a lot of money.


Yup. 8-)
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:53 am

Dutchy wrote:
Does the 77W have the range?


If they take the payload hit, sure.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:31 pm

No way this happens until Jakarta fixes its runways which are weight limited or else they sink. the flight path would basically follow the MNL-LAX path but add another 2.5 hours to the journey.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:32 pm

I believe it will happen. Hopefully they don't wind up like TG and SQ and lose money on these routes.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:43 pm

I believe Garuda is planning to fly CGK-NRT-LAX routing and they are also considering service NYC. I am guessing JFK would be there preferred destination. The reason for NRT is ability to sell seats between NRT and LAX
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:45 pm

The weak Jakarta runway would not be a problem if GA does start US flights.

Its service would stop en route in Tokyo.

More details from The Jakarta Post.


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Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:49 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
No way this happens until Jakarta fixes its runways which are weight limited or else they sink. the flight path would basically follow the MNL-LAX path but add another 2.5 hours to the journey.


The runway won't be a problem for this flight as they are flying from Jakarta to Tokyo and then to LAX.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:09 pm

georgiabill wrote:
I believe Garuda is planning to fly CGK-NRT-LAX routing and they are also considering service NYC. I am guessing JFK would be there preferred destination. The reason for NRT is ability to sell seats between NRT and LAX


The NYC service is quite interesting, just looked up the route and it's almost directly over the north poll, if direct. 10,054 mi. Why would they want to do this? Better to serve JFK threw the alliance, via Amsterdam for instance.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:12 pm

I guess they'd be relying on O&D passengers for CGK-LAX?
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:21 pm

It was mentioned in the ATW article. I am guessing it would also be operated through a CGK-NRT-JFK routing should that be the airport Garuda chooses to serve.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:24 pm

Initially looking at flying LAX via Tokyo

Garuda is now preparing to launch service to Los Angeles via Tokyo in 2017 using its existing 777-300ER fleet, but is evaluating new generation ultra-long-range aircraft capable of operating Jakarta-Los Angeles and Jakarta-New York nonstop. Indonesia was recently upgraded to Category 1 by the US FAA, enabling Garuda to proceed with its US plans. Garuda last served the US in the 1980s.


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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:32 pm

qf789 wrote:
Initially looking at flying LAX via Tokyo

Garuda is now preparing to launch service to Los Angeles via Tokyo in 2017 using its existing 777-300ER fleet, but is evaluating new generation ultra-long-range aircraft capable of operating Jakarta-Los Angeles and Jakarta-New York nonstop. Indonesia was recently upgraded to Category 1 by the US FAA, enabling Garuda to proceed with its US plans. Garuda last served the US in the 1980s.


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/s ... 021-301102


Isn't the competition of LAX-TYO going to be brutal? I have less faith in that working over the non-stop (and I have no faith in a Jakarta - New York non-stop ever working given the stage length and low-yielding traffic).
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:38 pm

I'd be interested in learning more about this "weak runway" situation. I flew in and out of CGK a few times earlier this year. It was an easy enough experience, I s'pose. Didn't know anything about this problem with the runways. Can someone elaborate? Is it just a matter of time before they crumble, or can reduced loading keep them holding up?
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:58 pm

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Isn't the competition of LAX-TYO going to be brutal? I have less faith in that working over the non-stop (and I have no faith in a Jakarta - New York non-stop ever working given the stage length and low-yielding traffic).


1 airline from each alliance is flying LAX-HND, plus a few more flights along LAX-NRT. Even an airline with a reputation as strong as SQ has to downgauge their LAX-NRT from A380 to 77W once the AA and DL LAX-HND go daytime (the LAX-ICN launch is just a convenient excuse).

But they're also stuck between a rock and a hard place. A nonstop for GA will be *far* more challenging operationally and financially than any of the other proposals from the likes of TG, PAL, VN etc. China would be reluctant to grant them 5th freedom rights. Via HKG will be slaughtered by CX, if they can even find slots at HKG. Via KIX is a yield black hole. Via NRT is a free for all bloodbath. Via TPE would be up against 2 incumbents who already specialize in discounted SE Asia VFR travel. And finally, Via ICN would be against the immense loyalty that Koreans have for their motherland carriers.

So yes, GA will be scrapping the heaps.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:02 pm

Well, the competitive landscape on LAX-TYO has been changing recently. Perhaps there's room for a new entrant. Changes that will help GA:
-DL is cutting LAX-NRT as they upgauge LAX-HND
-SQ is downgauging LAX-NRT-SIN to a 77W from a 380
-KE no longer flies LAX-NRT

So the final mix might be something like:
LAX-HND: AA 788 x1, DL 777 x1, NH 77W x1
LAX-NRT: AA 777 x1, UA 789 x1, NH 77W x1, JL 77W x1, SQ 77W x1, GA 77W 3x weekly

If I recall correctly, 5-10 years ago it was all LAX-NRT but there was lots of capacity: AA 777 x1, UA 744 x1, NW 744 x1, NH 77W x1, JL 744 x1, KE 332 x1, SQ 744 x1

However, the fact that there are way more beyond TYO flights now definitely won't help. CX, CA, and others have added a ton of LAX-Asia capacity in recent years.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:13 pm

AA777223 - Jakarta's runway is being rebuilt. It's not strong enough to support really long range flights with GA's B777-300ERs.

When GA started flying non-stop Jakarta-Amsterdam things were fine. But last year some flights had to make an en route stop in Singapore when flying Jakarta-Amsterdam so as to lessen the impact of the heavy B777-300ER on the runway.

The situation now is that some or all of GA's flights to Europe (Amsterdam/London LHR) operate Jakarta-Singapore-Europe.

But in the reverse direction GA flies Europe-Jakarta non-stop.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:57 pm

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But they're also stuck between a rock and a hard place. A nonstop for GA will be *far* more challenging operationally and financially than any of the other proposals from the likes of TG, PAL, VN etc. China would be reluctant to grant them 5th freedom rights. Via HKG will be slaughtered by CX, if they can even find slots at HKG. Via KIX is a yield black hole. Via NRT is a free for all bloodbath. Via TPE would be up against 2 incumbents who already specialize in discounted SE Asia VFR travel. And finally, Via ICN would be against the immense loyalty that Koreans have for their motherland carriers.

So yes, GA will be scrapping the heaps.


Man, not a pretty picture. There are really are no great 1-stop options, especially when you are VFR reliant.

Always wondered why KIX has been such a black hole for US carriers (maybe the same for EU as well?). I know CI used to run JFK-KIX-TPE 3x weekly, but now go in favor of the non-stop (I believe in the middle they went to JFK-ANC-TPE really briefly), but there is no competition on those routes from KIX, right? My understanding is Osaka and Tokyo are fairly close so the catchment area for Osaka isn't the largest - or at least not sufficiently independent from Tokyo, but surprised that I believe the only route, discounting HNL, is UA from SFO.

Anyway, I guess 1-stop is better than an almost assured to be loss-making non-stop, but as you show, there are no great 1-stop options available. I guess this could be a place ot use the A359ulr, but if they're planning to launch
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:46 pm

JKT and MNL are both capital cities of growing importance to the US. I see that they will have daily non stops to the US, if only for business purposes. Similar to the need for India nonstops.

Yes, 1-stop service via NRT and ICN via foreign carriers is pretty good. But anytime you can remove 1 Entire stop from all itineraries, the natural forces do favor a nonstop once technology allows it. I am eager to see how -- not if -- this rolls out.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:36 pm

One-stop via NRT can work if Delta plays nice. Still, it seems better to just hand over passengers there or at ICN.

How Jakarta-centric is Indonesia-US demand? Could GA run a focus city somewhere in the Far East and help DL/KE/MU feed passengers to the US
 
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JKT and MNL are both capital cities of growing importance to the US. I see that they will have daily non stops to the US, if only for business purposes. Similar to the need for India nonstops.

Yes, 1-stop service via NRT and ICN via foreign carriers is pretty good. But anytime you can remove 1 Entire stop from all itineraries, the natural forces do favor a nonstop once technology allows it. I am eager to see how -- not if -- this rolls out.


Importance does not constitute viability.

If airlines flew routes purely based on importance, then we'd see routes like LAX-BKK, JFK-PPT, DXB-PTY and EWR-SIN still in existence.

The reason why SE Asian airlines are scrambling to fly to the US, no matter at what cost, is driven by politics more than anything. In those regions of the world, the concept of "glamour routes" is still alive and well.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:01 pm

Would Jakarta to SFO be more viable? Or is LAX just the added benefit of DLs presence? If the later is the case, then why not SEA?
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:07 pm

IrishAyes - But one SE Asian airline is not "scrambling to fly to the US" and that is MH even though it's a "glamour route."
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:28 pm

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One-stop via NRT can work if Delta plays nice. Still, it seems better to just hand over passengers there or at ICN.

How Jakarta-centric is Indonesia-US demand? Could GA run a focus city somewhere in the Far East and help DL/KE/MU feed passengers to the US

When I flew through Indonesia a few different times earlier this year, I was shocked at how much of the GA longhaul fleet was at DPS. They truly do seem to have a sort of two hub airline, more so than I realized. When I started looking at the route map in their magazine, it is clear they definitely are not a one hub airline, a la London...er, BA, for example.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:34 pm

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One-stop via NRT can work if Delta plays nice. Still, it seems better to just hand over passengers there or at ICN.

How Jakarta-centric is Indonesia-US demand? Could GA run a focus city somewhere in the Far East and help DL/KE/MU feed passengers to the US

When I flew through Indonesia a few different times earlier this year, I was shocked at how much of the GA longhaul fleet was at DPS. They truly do seem to have a sort of two hub airline, more so than I realized. When I started looking at the route map in their magazine, it is clear they definitely are not a one hub airline, a la London...er, BA, for example.


I think you meant their widebody fleet is at DPS. GA has lots of regional Asian services using their 330s to DPS that are 3-5 hours in duration. DPS-PER is nearly the same distance as EWR-DEN.

If we use 3000miles as the cutoff point for "long haul" here, from DPS that's primarily PEK ICN NRT.
 
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IrishAyes - But one SE Asian airline is not "scrambling to fly to the US" and that is MH even though it's a "glamour route."


That is because MH has bigger fish to fry. At this point, even serving LHR is considered aIl questionable situation, much less on 2x A380s.

It also helps that MH is being led by foreign CEOs who are making much more sensible commercial decisions than its predecessors.
 
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One-stop via NRT can work if Delta plays nice. Still, it seems better to just hand over passengers there or at ICN.

How Jakarta-centric is Indonesia-US demand? Could GA run a focus city somewhere in the Far East and help DL/KE/MU feed passengers to the US

When I flew through Indonesia a few different times earlier this year, I was shocked at how much of the GA longhaul fleet was at DPS. They truly do seem to have a sort of two hub airline, more so than I realized. When I started looking at the route map in their magazine, it is clear they definitely are not a one hub airline, a la London...er, BA, for example.


I think you meant their widebody fleet is at DPS. GA has lots of regional Asian services using their 330s to DPS that are 3-5 hours in duration. DPS-PER is nearly the same distance as EWR-DEN.

If we use 3000miles as the cutoff point for "long haul" here, from DPS that's primarily PEK ICN NRT.

That is a very true statement, and I stand corrected. I guess my point was that there is a great deal of capacity coming out of DPS, for what I had always considered largely a beach/tourist destination. I was very surprised.
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Anyone recall what equipment LAX was last flown with. I thought it was the MD11 but for some odd reason I'm doubting myself.
 
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I guess my point was that there is a great deal of capacity coming out of DPS, for what I had always considered largely a beach/tourist destination. I was very surprised.


It's a bit like Cancun or the Canary Islands. From Perth, it's actually faster to DPS than to SYD or MEL. It's definitely on the same scale as HKT in terms of popularity, especially to westerners.

Some folks are now preferring slightly off the beaten path, like Langkawi Malaysia, Da Nang Vietnam, or Boracay Philippines.
 
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I believe Garuda is planning to fly CGK-NRT-LAX routing and they are also considering service NYC. I am guessing JFK would be there preferred destination. The reason for NRT is ability to sell seats between NRT and LAX


The only way I could see that JFK could work would be for them to codeshare with DL who are abandoning JFK-NRT soon. That way, they could get money from DL customers still wanting a New York-Tokyo link.
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Importance does not constitute viability.

If airlines flew routes purely based on importance, then we'd see routes like LAX-BKK, JFK-PPT, DXB-PTY and EWR-SIN still in existence.

The reason why SE Asian airlines are scrambling to fly to the US, no matter at what cost, is driven by politics more than anything. In those regions of the world, the concept of "glamour routes" is still alive and well.


Exactly, that's why even wealthier and economically stronger cities such as BKK and KUL don't have non-stop flights to the US. They know that prestige doesn't equal to profit.
 
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IrishAyes wrote:
Importance does not constitute viability.

If airlines flew routes purely based on importance, then we'd see routes like LAX-BKK, JFK-PPT, DXB-PTY and EWR-SIN still in existence.

The reason why SE Asian airlines are scrambling to fly to the US, no matter at what cost, is driven by politics more than anything. In those regions of the world, the concept of "glamour routes" is still alive and well.


Exactly, that's why even wealthier and economically stronger cities such as BKK and KUL don't have non-stop flights to the US. They know that prestige doesn't equal to profit.


But still the premium fare out of CGK is most of the time higher than ex BKK and KUL. So I can't agree with you that BKK and KUL is wealthier and economically stronger.
 
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IrishAyes wrote:
Importance does not constitute viability.

If airlines flew routes purely based on importance, then we'd see routes like LAX-BKK, JFK-PPT, DXB-PTY and EWR-SIN still in existence.

The reason why SE Asian airlines are scrambling to fly to the US, no matter at what cost, is driven by politics more than anything. In those regions of the world, the concept of "glamour routes" is still alive and well.


Exactly, that's why even wealthier and economically stronger cities such as BKK and KUL don't have non-stop flights to the US. They know that prestige doesn't equal to profit.


Indonesia's GDP is larger than Thailand and Malaysia combined.

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

Jakarta's GDP is larger than Bangkok, and about double that of KL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP
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How Jakarta-centric is Indonesia-US demand?

Per MIDT data overall USA-Denpasar(Bali) demand is larger than USA-Jakarta. Though for LAX specifically, Jakarta is a bigger market at less than 100PDEW. I suppose this is because largest Indonesian community is in Southern California per U.S. census information so they outnumber American residents looking for the beaches in Bali.

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Anyone recall what equipment LAX was last flown with. I thought it was the MD11 but for some odd reason I'm doubting myself.

According to A.net DB it looks like they also used DC-10s until about 1992 and also some flights with 747-200s in addition to MD-11s.
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But still the premium fare out of CGK is most of the time higher than ex BKK and KUL. So I can't agree with you that BKK and KUL is wealthier and economically stronger.


Fares are not indicative of a city's wealth, they are driven by capacity and demand. Premium fares ex-FIH and ex-LAD are also very high, but I wouldn't say they are very wealthy. Oil-rich, but not a wealthy population...

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Indonesia's GDP is larger than Thailand and Malaysia combined.

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

Jakarta's GDP is larger than Bangkok, and about double that of KL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP


Yes because Jakarta's population is double or triple that of BKK or KL. But per capita GDP of BKK/KL is still double Jakarta.

But point is that large population, even with a large upper/middle-class market does not equal to profits for on a non-stop/1-stop US flight. You see cases like KIX (wealthy Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto catchment) and it only has 2 non-stop to CONUS, and at a shorter stage length.

GA will just have a tough time competing against discounted one-stop incumbents (BR, CI, KE) or premium one-stop incumbents (SQ, CX) which will ultimately affect yields or loads.
 
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Anyone recall what equipment LAX was last flown with. I thought it was the MD11 but for some odd reason I'm doubting myself.


Final years were solely on the MD-11. The flight routed LAX-HNL-DPS-CGK-HNL-LAX.
 
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That is a very true statement, and I stand corrected. I guess my point was that there is a great deal of capacity coming out of DPS, for what I had always considered largely a beach/tourist destination. I was very surprised.


Well, they need the widebodies to get all the tourists to the beach!
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I'd be interested in learning more about this "weak runway" situation. I flew in and out of CGK a few times earlier this year. It was an easy enough experience, I s'pose. Didn't know anything about this problem with the runways. Can someone elaborate? Is it just a matter of time before they crumble, or can reduced loading keep them holding up?


Cengkareng airport was built beginning of the 80s on weak soil (it was paddy fields before). In order to please local interests, an indigeneous technic called "cakar ayam" (chicken feet in english) was used for the runway pavement, actually a variant of continuous reinforced cement concrete. The pavement, the long term behaviour of which was totally unknown at the time, was dimensionned for the traffic then anticipated.

Several things happened :
- traffic eventually grew far beyond the initial forecast, including recent aircraft like the B777 which are far more demanding in term of pavement strength
- maintenance of the system was deficient, and anyway quite difficult to implement.

The situation today is that a significant pavement overlay is urgently required, but impossible to implement before completion of a new 3rd runway to divert traffic. The construction of this new runway will require further land acquisition at a time when the airport is now surrounded by housings. A deadlock situation !

In the meantime, the airport operator reduced the runway PCN to minimize further damage to the pavement, therefore severely cutting the range of long haul planes, namely the Garuda B77W.
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:49 pm

a380787 wrote:
AA777223 wrote:
I guess my point was that there is a great deal of capacity coming out of DPS, for what I had always considered largely a beach/tourist destination. I was very surprised.


It's a bit like Cancun or the Canary Islands. From Perth, it's actually faster to DPS than to SYD or MEL. It's definitely on the same scale as HKT in terms of popularity, especially to westerners.

Some folks are now preferring slightly off the beaten path, like Langkawi Malaysia, Da Nang Vietnam, or Boracay Philippines.

I agree. Recently I have visited Koh Samui and DaNang (my trip to Bali was between those two trips), which while perhaps not so mysterious to Europeans or those in Australia, are much less known to Americans. I found them both to be quite nice, DaNang, actually being my favorite of the three.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:45 pm

Flighty wrote:
JKT and MNL are both capital cities of growing importance to the US. I see that they will have daily non stops to the US, if only for business purposes. Similar to the need for India nonstops.

Hmm, MNL is already served several times daily from multiple US cities...

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The reason why SE Asian airlines are scrambling to fly to the US, no matter at what cost, is driven by politics more than anything. In those regions of the world, the concept of "glamour routes" is still alive and well.

I would agree to a certain extent, but be careful when putting so many airlines and countries under the same statement!
PAL's nonstop flights to LAX and SFO are not only profitable, but they are also the core of their long haul operations, their bread and butter. In December they will actually increase their MNL-LAX to double daily. If it was for prestige they would never bother doing more than one flgiht.

And what people don't realise is that the LAX-MNL market is double the size of LAX-SGN/BKK while there is almost no market at all for LAX-CGK.

So don't just throw these words around just because TG/GA/MH do/did/want it...
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:27 pm

Didnt Garuda serve the US at some point in its past?
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:00 pm

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flyingcat wrote:
Anyone recall what equipment LAX was last flown with. I thought it was the MD11 but for some odd reason I'm doubting myself.


Final years were solely on the MD-11. The flight routed LAX-HNL-DPS-CGK-HNL-LAX.


I flew this flight twice in J, Maybe 1997/98 on the MD-11s.

Flight left late from LAX and landed in HNL somewhere around midnight (IIRC) with a reasonably long stop. I used to get off, go the the shower suites in the terminal, change and head back to the plane. Then head off to DPS. Super long flight, OK food, terrible IFE (I think there were still overhead projectors). Flight was never full. I mostly saw two types of travelers in J; tourists heading to DPS, or mining workers heading to Irian Jaya. Funny they would overfly Irian Jaya and head back over once they landed in CGK. I think it was another 4-4.5 hour flight.

Before the MD-11s, the flights would stop in Biak between HNL and DPS.

Finally land in CGK in the morning.

I always found it interesting that the "Garuda" is a bird in Hindu/Buddhist mythology, yet Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country (with of course has a small Hindu/Buddhist community).
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:28 pm

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Didnt Garuda serve the US at some point in its past?

Original service started in 1984/85 with a DC 10 that was Co-Branded with Continental.
GA flew JKT-MNL, then CO took over in MNL on a MNL-GUM-HNL-LAX routing.
GA on their own started with a DC-10 in 1986 that went CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX-HNL-BIK-DPS-CGK.
The B747-200 Combi started in 1993 and ran through 1995 on the same routing WED-FRI-SUN.
During that time the MD-11 was also started running CGK-HNL-LAX-HNL-DPS-CGK
The flight was daily up until the end when it dropped to 5x weekly. Final flight was NOV 1997
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:18 pm

airzim wrote:
I always found it interesting that the "Garuda" is a bird in Hindu/Buddhist mythology, yet Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country (with of course has a small Hindu/Buddhist community).

Egypt is a Muslim country. Yet Egyptyair logo is Horus, one of their ancient gods.
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:35 pm

Would it help if the CGK-NRT leg is synchronized with the Garuda's DPS-NRT flight so that passengers from LAX could switch to the DPS-bound flight at NRT and passengers from DPS could continue to LAX?
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:31 am

Glad to see them trying to drain their bank accounts. There is A LOT of competition on the route.
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:15 am

afterburner wrote:
airzim wrote:
I always found it interesting that the "Garuda" is a bird in Hindu/Buddhist mythology, yet Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country (with of course has a small Hindu/Buddhist community).

Egypt is a Muslim country. Yet Egyptyair logo is Horus, one of their ancient gods.

China is a primarily Confucian/Taoism.... but Air China's logo is the Phoenix, which is a creature of Greek myth.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Garuda Indonesia is planing Jakarta - LAX in 2017

Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:29 am

My dad flew this route in 1996 and as a lover of every trijet, he remembered this flight perfectly. The fare was ridiculously cheap in J, he got a $3000 allowance from his office to fly CGK-DFW and yet he managed to buy a J class on CGK-LAX for only $2700. He used the $300 to buy a special ticket called 'student pass' or something like that on LAX-DFW-JFK-LAX route on AA. Funny story: after the summer school was finished, he went to the Universal Studio California, ride every attraction available and recorded the whole things for me and my mom. So in a way, its like a primitive VR experience hahaha!

As for the naming of Garuda, in the past Indonesia used to have a lot of huge Hindu and Buddhist Kingdom (Srivijaya, Majapahit, etc). So even today there's a lot of Hindu-Buddhist influence in here, like our language, tradition, names etc.

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