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Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:02 pm

For a better view outside you can now order real big windows on your Boeing 737 BBJ.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mebaa-bbj-and-fokker-join-forces-on-panoramic-wind-432131/

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For details like weight, curtain options & costs please contact via:

http://www.modstore.aero/modifications/modificationid(22287)/Skyview%20Panoramic%20Window%20BBJ

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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:11 pm

Oh wow. I Like that :)
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:36 pm

Now time to get them on regular 737s...
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:12 pm

From Flightglobal article linked above:

The installation effectively joins together three standard passenger windows and can be located on multiple potential locations aft of the wing, depending on aircraft type.

Curious to why it can be located only aft of the wing, design strength limitation(s)? I can see this becoming widely popular for new builds, plus other business jet manufactures will probably follow suit. Also noticed in the second link, they also list A320s in price sheet.
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:09 am

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Curious to why it can be located only aft of the wing, design strength limitation(s)?

My thought was in case of an uncontained engine failure. I'm sure someone will tell me otherwise!
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:33 am

So do we know how much these cost?
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:35 am

SeaDoo wrote:
So do we know how much these cost?


If you have to ask you can't afford it. :)
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:32 am

I would pay a premium to have a window on a commercial airliner like that, but of course, I will be told by an F/A to close the window shade :)
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:55 am

crownvic wrote:
I would pay a premium to have a window on a commercial airliner like that, but of course, I will be told by an F/A to close the window shade :)


Well yeah, a big part of what you're paying for with a BBJ is the privilege of having the airplane to yourself, without needing to worry about anyone else. That's not the case when flying commercial.

The "premium" you need to pay to get a window like this is the cost of a BBJ, and flying by yourself.
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:07 am

Love it!
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:25 am

spacecadet wrote:
crownvic wrote:
I would pay a premium to have a window on a commercial airliner like that, but of course, I will be told by an F/A to close the window shade :)


Well yeah, a big part of what you're paying for with a BBJ is the privilege of having the airplane to yourself, without needing to worry about anyone else. That's not the case when flying commercial.

The "premium" you need to pay to get a window like this is the cost of a BBJ, and flying by yourself.


Many (most? I do not have raw numbers and it is too early to go hunting) BBJ's operate under contracts because most people that fly them do not need such a large jet to justify the costs. I could see that added to some of the chartered jets available as an extra bonus to appeal to their short term customers.
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:37 am

Has anyone enquired about the weight and got the reply?
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:54 am

Is there any pic as to how would it look from outside?
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:02 pm

AerolineasAR343 wrote:
Is there any pic as to how would it look from outside?

I'd love to see that too!
BTW, an amazing idea, I'm sure many will pay some extra bucks without worrying if it's installed on commercial airliners.
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:34 pm

b747400erf wrote:
spacecadet wrote:
crownvic wrote:
I would pay a premium to have a window on a commercial airliner like that, but of course, I will be told by an F/A to close the window shade :)


Well yeah, a big part of what you're paying for with a BBJ is the privilege of having the airplane to yourself, without needing to worry about anyone else. That's not the case when flying commercial.

The "premium" you need to pay to get a window like this is the cost of a BBJ, and flying by yourself.


Many (most? I do not have raw numbers and it is too early to go hunting) BBJ's operate under contracts because most people that fly them do not need such a large jet to justify the costs. I could see that added to some of the chartered jets available as an extra bonus to appeal to their short term customers.


Regarding your comments that "Many (most)?" BBJs are under "contracts" and thus available for charter is not correct. They may be managed aircraft, but there are not that many available for charter as the pax/payload restrictions are onerous at best. The BBJ in the US under FAA rules can be a Part 91 (sub part K), Part 91, Part 125 or a Part 135 airplane which can be used for charter. I guess you could make one up as a Part 121 configuration and use that for charter but I have yet to see one. I think NetJets was going down that road when they shut their BBJ ops down??
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:38 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
Curious to why it can be located only aft of the wing, design strength limitation(s)?

My thought was in case of an uncontained engine failure. I'm sure someone will tell me otherwise!


Well, the artistic rendering also shows a panorama window ahead of the wing.

I doubt the positioning constraints have anything to do with uncontained engine failure. Liberated turbine or compressor pieces will cut through aluminum skin just as easily as glass. I suspect the position is constrained by the AC ducts that cause a few missing windows on the commercial 737. It's probably not feasible to re-route those around the panorama window.
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:32 pm

DfwRevolution wrote:
FlyCaledonian wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
Curious to why it can be located only aft of the wing, design strength limitation(s)?

My thought was in case of an uncontained engine failure. I'm sure someone will tell me otherwise!


Well, the artistic rendering also shows a panorama window ahead of the wing.

I doubt the positioning constraints have anything to do with uncontained engine failure. Liberated turbine or compressor pieces will cut through aluminum skin just as easily as glass. I suspect the position is constrained by the AC ducts that cause a few missing windows on the commercial 737. It's probably not feasible to re-route those around the panorama window.


With the amount of modification that that window will cost, routing some ducts would be peanuts in comparison.

I too am interested in the weight penalty of that thing - that's got to require one hell of a frame to maintain structural integrity. And the "glass" will also have to be many times thicker/heavier than normal to withstand the pressure over a much greater area. All in all, I expect it will be many*many times heavier than normal.
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:03 pm

crownvic wrote:
I would pay a premium to have a window on a commercial airliner like that, but of course, I will be told by an F/A to close the window shade :)


Or, as per the norm on the 787, the FA will darken the window without your consent.
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:27 pm

I guess the weight penalty will be eye watering. Costs a BBJ are so anyway however.

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A nice to have on your next MAX-9 BBJ. Specially if the others don't have it.

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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:38 pm

Someone asked for what it would look like from the outside...there you go: https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/806630662459498496
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:57 pm

I would like to see these fitted commercially for the lieflat business/First class seats which already have 3-4 windows. That would be great.
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:49 pm

MoonC wrote:
Someone asked for what it would look like from the outside...there you go: https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/806630662459498496


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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:56 pm

I have to admit,that is super cool!Of course ( think 747 cockpit windows? )Large glass windows have been done before and I guess the technology is improving all the time.Lucky rich people !!
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:07 am

Boeing did this mod about 40 years ago for Saha 707's. Its's nothing new. Can't figure out how to add a photo but a search will show it.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:25 am

balair863 wrote:
Boeing did this mod about 40 years ago for Saha 707's. Its's nothing new. Can't figure out how to add a photo but a search will show it.

Visible in these photos, looks to be in place of two windows as opposed to three for the STC being discussed here. I'd be interested to know what the story is with the Saha one.



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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:23 am

Embraer has "theme" concepts with big windows too. Kyoto Airship and Skyranch. Although they seem to fit the windows between frames mostly.

Have any of these actually been ordered?
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:48 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
balair863 wrote:
Boeing did this mod about 40 years ago for Saha 707's. Its's nothing new. Can't figure out how to add a photo but a search will show it.

I'd be interested to know what the story is with the Saha one.

Those 707s use to be tankers for the Iranian Air Force. The large double windows was to allow for better visibility of the wingtip mounted hose-and-drogue system (since obviously removed) during refueling operations.
 
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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:30 pm

Polot wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
balair863 wrote:
Boeing did this mod about 40 years ago for Saha 707's. Its's nothing new. Can't figure out how to add a photo but a search will show it.

I'd be interested to know what the story is with the Saha one.

Those 707s use to be tankers for the Iranian Air Force. The large double windows was to allow for better visibility of the wingtip mounted hose-and-drogue system (since obviously removed) during refueling operations.


That's a nice to know! Some build in history.

Did a search, Sam Chui, was there of course :eyebrow: three years ago.
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Those windows would at least make Goldfinger's fate somewhat plausible.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:15 pm

[/quote]
Curious to why it can be located only aft of the wing, design strength limitation(s)? I can see this becoming widely popular for new builds, plus other business jet manufactures will probably follow suit. Also noticed in the second link, they also list A320s in price sheet.[/quote]

Not too many places where those windows would make sense. Don't want to be over the wing because the wing and engines gets in the way of your view. Although, over the wing box is probably the best from a stress stand point.

You don't want to be near the fuselage splice joints (high complexity). So you are left with 4 places, left and right side of section 43 and 46.

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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:24 am

Strato2 wrote:
Those windows would at least make Goldfinger's fate somewhat plausible.


Thanks, that really made me LOL.

Isn't UNITED ordering these windows for their F cabins on their MAX's and 787-10's? Heck, if Ch 9 is gone, this is the least they could do!

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Re: Bigger windows on the Boeing 737 BBJ

Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:18 am

This option is available on 737 NG BBJ since 2014.

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