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One of the last airworthy Boeing 747-200s flies into retirement Kalitta Air

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:42 pm

Hey guys, Wanted to share a great article with you all that was published by USA TODAY. https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... 100736118/

Being part of the Kalitta Family it will be sad no longer having the classic but I can say we are all excited for the future at Kalitta Air. Keep an eye out this year for some new additions to our fleet!

Today is her final day off to retirement in OCS if you would like to track her, here is the details of her final flight.

CKS 9793
N793CK B747-200F 04/21/17
DEP SEA ARR OSC
TOTAL DIST/DEST 1620
SHETD 19.00Z/21 ETA 22.40Z
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:14 pm

Interesting history - operated by US carriers all through its career, starting with UA almost 30 years ago (to the month!), as N151UA.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... alitta-Air

Can you say how many hours it has on retirement (if it's not company confidential?)

As you say, always sad to see a Classic retire; one less 747 in the air too.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:24 pm

I would have to get back to you about the hours. The main reason for her retirement is her Landing Gear is timed out. Her sister N795CK when parked gave up her gear just to keep 793 in the air as long as possible. Its next to impossible to find a high gross gear for the classics. There are some low gross gears out there but that would take a huge cut in the payload she could carry.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:37 pm

Interesting that Kalitta Air still utilized Professional Flight Engineers (PFE). I feel for 'Lance Pruitt' who is about to loose his job, but I'm sure he saw the writing on the wall many years ago.
The statement in the article "Typically, flight engineers are not pilots" of course is way off base as the US majors that flew -200s througout the 80's, 90's, 2000's started requiring that the FE position be filled with pilots. 99% percent of the FEs on those airlines were just junior pilots waiting to move up to a window seat. As I stated in a previous post, this bird was a great freighter when in NW colors and I miss flying it.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:44 pm

Kalitta had both Professional Flight Engineers and Pilots working the Engineers spot. All that were qualified pilots with the necessary hours were moved to the 400's or the 767 in the fleet.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:52 pm

Watching these 747 retiring is inevitable and yet so sad. I remember walking through a -200 that was being redone at TWA's facility at MCI in the late '70s or early '80 as a school boy. It seemed HUGE! That day instilled my love for aviation. I know we will have -800 around for 30+ years, but that's one less beautiful bird in the sky.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:10 pm

She is moving. listing to her on live ATC. Captain Jakal and crew will take her up one last time. :(
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Just heard the sound of her leaving from my classroom. Never a happy moment.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:53 pm

I am feeling old in a moment that this airplane is being called old. This is, of course, a very young 747 classic. It is one of the oddball pair of 747-222Bs that United got in 1987 - which I believe had been ordered to fly the SEA-HKG route that came prior to the Pan Am acquisition. These were late build, JT9D-7R4G2 powered airplanes. Also of note is that United eventually configured these aircraft into the very low density "YJ" (internal code) configuration. I can't remember the exact numbers on these two airplanes, but the similar configuration on the -400 was 36F/123C/I42Y, and only E-zone on the main deck was coach. These two jets left the United fleet very early, in mid-1998, well before the -238Bs. This is most likely because the -7R4G2 power gave them a high resale value as a freighter. Anyway, I can't believe these birds are vanishing!
 
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:23 pm

Saw this all morning sitting across from our ramp, figured it was just doing a charter run, no idea this was the end of the road.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:55 pm

kaitak wrote:
Interesting history - operated by US carriers all through its career, starting with UA almost 30 years ago (to the month!), as N151UA.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... alitta-Air

Can you say how many hours it has on retirement (if it's not company confidential?)

As you say, always sad to see a Classic retire; one less 747 in the air too.


Oh wow!!! I flew on N151UA when it was flying for UA. I remember because it was my first and last time flying on a 747-200. She was an amazing ride, and I will never forget that trip.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:05 pm

And a second wow regarding the photos. There's a lot more glass up front than there was when it flew for NW.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:37 pm

While I'm sad to see it go, Hearing this makes me even happier that I got to see this bird in Louisville during the holiday rush last December.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:34 pm

This is a very nice thread and the reason why I come here frequently.
Thank you for starting it, the pictures and all the information from the other members. Have a nice weekend...
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:49 pm

Really sad to see an old bird go. I have shot it at Kennedy, but not on its final revenue arrival into NYC where it was retired. I didn't realize that it really did use up its entire lifespan.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:23 am

How many 200's had that retrofit glass panel?
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:25 am

Sad to see any 747 and any UA plane be retired. Like it was mentioned, she's one of just two 747-222Bs built.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:00 am

What was the -222B? Was it an avionics upgrade?
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:10 am

I think it refers to the absolute maximum spec 747-200 as built for United. Or, -200B but with 22 buyer code.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:34 am

Flighty wrote:
I think it refers to the absolute maximum spec 747-200 as built for United.


Also has -7R4 engines which were designed for the 767-200/A310-200.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:15 am

What a coincidence that another 747-200 owned by Rolls Royce landed just hours earlier at the same Kalitta base..
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:18 am

Air Force One will probably be the last -200 flying since the last two 747-200 airframes off the assembly line went to the Air Force.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:40 am

kaitak wrote:
Interesting history - operated by US carriers all through its career, starting with UA almost 30 years ago (to the month!), as N151UA.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... alitta-Air

Can you say how many hours it has on retirement (if it's not company confidential?)

As you say, always sad to see a Classic retire; one less 747 in the air too.


As of November 14, 2016, N793CK on the airframe had 11,398 cycles and 81,922 hours on it.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:30 am

crownvic wrote:
What a coincidence that another 747-200 owned by Rolls Royce landed just hours earlier at the same Kalitta base..

Indeed, sounds like she's in for some heavy maintenance. Would be interesting to know what the hours/cycles are on that bird as well. I wonder if any of 793's salvageable parts will find their way to the Rolls Royce bird.
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:45 pm

atimp wrote:
Air Force One will probably be the last -200 flying since the last two 747-200 airframes off the assembly line went to the Air Force.


The only other one I can think of is EP-ICD, which recently returned to service.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:21 pm

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What was the -222B? Was it an avionics upgrade?


No, it is just a 747-200B built for United Airlines. 747 is the type, -2 is the series, 22 is the Boeing customer code, and B, in this case, is a holdover from the earliest marketing days of the 747 program that called the higher gross weight 747 the "B" model. United originally bought 18 747-100s in the early 1970s (which were 747-122s), and later bought these two oddball much higher weight 747-222Bs for its first Asian routes.

The avionics upgrade came much later, most likely well after the airplane went to Northwest as a freighter (where it flew from 1998 to 2009).
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:27 pm

I'm so bummed every now and then I don't live more closer to Amsterdam Airport.
In that case I could see the special flights (KLM 747-400 retirement flights etc.) and the like happening with my own eyes.

Like in this case the very last 747-classic at Amsterdam. Wish I could've seen it. Because none of the (very few) remaining 747-classics will ever visit the Netherlands.
Maybe a teeny, tiny chance for Air Force One but that's it.

But nice to see some attention has been paid to this beauty and that she doesn't just fades away...
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:18 pm

TW870 wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
What was the -222B? Was it an avionics upgrade?



The avionics upgrade came much later, most likely well after the airplane went to Northwest as a freighter (where it flew from 1998 to 2009).


Here's a screen capture of the same aircraft when it was with NW (NW Fleet #6745). The video was shot by a jumpseater for my 'fini landing' in the 200 before going to the 400. As you can see there was less glass. The LCD engine tape displays were installed sometime in the mid to late 90s and later (2003?) we had a glass HSI that talked with the Litton 92 INS's. But that was it until NW parked them.
http://goo.gl/photos/jjYUg4hqpfziBSeZ6

Interesting that the Kallita mods included reactivating the third autopilot and certifying it as a Cat III aircraft. You'll notice in the snapshot that NW deactivated that autopilot and all their 200s were only Cat I. Probably done in the interest of standardization.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:06 pm

To most surprise, Connie does a great job keeping our aircraft up to date. We were one of the first to introduce the electronic flight bag on the 200's and Ipads on the 400s. All our aircraft have wifi and all but 2 of our 400's have Next Gen FMS. Having our own maintenance facility gives us a great advantage adding the newest technology to our somewhat older fleet.
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Did the USA Today writer mistake the crew's names? I don't see the captain or FE in the airman database.
 
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Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:35 am

Hope this link works for you all. Some nice pictures of N793CK last landing ever https://www.facebook.com/andrew.decker. ... 3610976925
 
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Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:15 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Interesting history - operated by US carriers all through its career, starting with UA almost 30 years ago (to the month!), as N151UA.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... alitta-Air

Can you say how many hours it has on retirement (if it's not company confidential?)

As you say, always sad to see a Classic retire; one less 747 in the air too.


As of November 14, 2016, N793CK on the airframe had 11,398 cycles and 81,922 hours on it.


Final numbers
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opticalilyushin wrote:
atimp wrote:
Air Force One will probably be the last -200 flying since the last two 747-200 airframes off the assembly line went to the Air Force.


The only other one I can think of is EP-ICD, which recently returned to service.


One also still active with Uni-Top Cargo Airlines.
 
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CanadaFair wrote:
opticalilyushin wrote:
atimp wrote:
Air Force One will probably be the last -200 flying since the last two 747-200 airframes off the assembly line went to the Air Force.


The only other one I can think of is EP-ICD, which recently returned to service.


One also still active with Uni-Top Cargo Airlines.


One or more of the 747-200-based US Air Force E-4Bs could very well fly beyond the "Air Force One" VC-25As, depending on the timing of both types' replacements. An interesting thread about that topic: Air Force One Replacement Thread
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Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:41 pm

I think I saw this plane fly over my house the other day after work. Came home, heard a loudish plane, looked up, and thought "Hmm, don't see to many 747 classics, that's got to be a Kalitta bird."
 
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:45 am

pilotmanchee wrote:
Being part of the Kalitta Family it will be sad no longer having the classic but I can say we are all excited for the future at Kalitta Air. Keep an eye out this year for some new additions to our fleet!

Today is her final day off to retirement in OCS if you would like to track her, here is the details of her final flight.


This and N708CK are the only Kalitta planes I've ever seen.

Image

I happened to be flying overhead in a helicopter and managed to photograph N793CK. Lucky day. :)
 
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:58 am

Just tragic. I should learn to Google the names of interesting aircraft mroe often so I know when I need to be somewhere to see them! Oh well, doubt there are many interesting aircraft left anyway...
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Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:39 am

Airways Magazine covered the last flight. Here is a link to their article. enjoy!!! https://airwaysmag.com/avgeek/exclusive ... etirement/
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:59 pm

N793CK went to Georgia's The Cargo Airlines about two months after this flight and got the new registration 4L-GEL.
She flew to Tbilisi on 16-17 June and just flew her first flights TBS-GYD-DAC-GYD last Thursday and Friday (July 27 and 28)
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pilotmanchee wrote:
Hey guys, Wanted to share a great article with you all that was published by USA TODAY. https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... 100736118/

Being part of the Kalitta Family it will be sad no longer having the classic but I can say we are all excited for the future at Kalitta Air. Keep an eye out this year for some new additions to our fleet!

Today is her final day off to retirement in OCS if you would like to track her, here is the details of her final flight.

CKS 9793
N793CK B747-200F 04/21/17
DEP SEA ARR OSC
TOTAL DIST/DEST 1620
SHETD 19.00Z/21 ETA 22.40Z

I know that airplane!! It's either 151UA or 152UA a B747-222A With JT9D7R4G2 engines and 833,000 MGWT. United flew then JFK-NRT. and later on sold them to NWA
 
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I am feeling old in a moment that this airplane is being called old. This is, of course, a very young 747 classic. It is one of the oddball pair of 747-222Bs that United got in 1987 - which I believe had been ordered to fly the SEA-HKG route that came prior to the Pan Am acquisition. These were late build, JT9D-7R4G2 powered airplanes. Also of note is that United eventually configured these aircraft into the very low density "YJ" (internal code) configuration. I can't remember the exact numbers on these two airplanes, but the similar configuration on the -400 was 36F/123C/I42Y, and only E-zone on the main deck was coach. These two jets left the United fleet very early, in mid-1998, well before the -238Bs. This is most likely because the -7R4G2 power gave them a high resale value as a freighter. Anyway, I can't believe these birds are vanishing!

The 2 of them N151UA and N152UA were ordered to fly exclusively JFK-NRT. They're the 833,000 MGWT with JT9D- 7R4G engines.
They were replaced with the B747-422 and sold to Northwest Airlines. who converted them to Freighters..
 
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strfyr51 wrote:
TW870 wrote:
I am feeling old in a moment that this airplane is being called old. This is, of course, a very young 747 classic. It is one of the oddball pair of 747-222Bs that United got in 1987 - which I believe had been ordered to fly the SEA-HKG route that came prior to the Pan Am acquisition. These were late build, JT9D-7R4G2 powered airplanes. Also of note is that United eventually configured these aircraft into the very low density "YJ" (internal code) configuration. I can't remember the exact numbers on these two airplanes, but the similar configuration on the -400 was 36F/123C/I42Y, and only E-zone on the main deck was coach. These two jets left the United fleet very early, in mid-1998, well before the -238Bs. This is most likely because the -7R4G2 power gave them a high resale value as a freighter. Anyway, I can't believe these birds are vanishing!

The 2 of them N151UA and N152UA were ordered to fly exclusively JFK-NRT. They're the 833,000 MGWT with JT9D- 7R4G engines.
They were replaced with the B747-422 and sold to Northwest Airlines. who converted them to Freighters..


What was the typical MTOW of a Boeing 747-200B?
 
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aemoreira1981 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
TW870 wrote:
I am feeling old in a moment that this airplane is being called old. This is, of course, a very young 747 classic. It is one of the oddball pair of 747-222Bs that United got in 1987 - which I believe had been ordered to fly the SEA-HKG route that came prior to the Pan Am acquisition. These were late build, JT9D-7R4G2 powered airplanes. Also of note is that United eventually configured these aircraft into the very low density "YJ" (internal code) configuration. I can't remember the exact numbers on these two airplanes, but the similar configuration on the -400 was 36F/123C/I42Y, and only E-zone on the main deck was coach. These two jets left the United fleet very early, in mid-1998, well before the -238Bs. This is most likely because the -7R4G2 power gave them a high resale value as a freighter. Anyway, I can't believe these birds are vanishing!

The 2 of them N151UA and N152UA were ordered to fly exclusively JFK-NRT. They're the 833,000 MGWT with JT9D- 7R4G engines.
They were replaced with the B747-422 and sold to Northwest Airlines. who converted them to Freighters..


What was the typical MTOW of a Boeing 747-200B?


This document shows them ranging from 775,000 to 833,000

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... _123sp.pdf

This is just quick wikipedia research so other posters may be able to give more detailed information about how many frames fell in each part of the band width. I was pretty familiar as a younger person with the NW fleet, and they basically had three -200B groups, the -7F/-7J powered planes, the -7Qs, and the -7R4G2s. I believe that each of those groups had a different MTOW, with only the late -7R4G2 powered group going all the way to 833. It is interesting that the airplane in question on this thread was bought to compete with the NW high gross weight birds on JFK-NRT. UA had plenty of SPs, but the economics of the newest -200Bs were clearly far superior.

It is also interesting how quickly those late-model -200Bs went from state of the art to obsolete. The -400, which came just two years later, did the job so much better than these two -222Bs. The FADEC PW4000 lowered maintenance costs and the added fuel capacity made the numbers so much easier on the polar long hauls in the winter.
 
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TW870 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
The 2 of them N151UA and N152UA were ordered to fly exclusively JFK-NRT. They're the 833,000 MGWT with JT9D- 7R4G engines.
They were replaced with the B747-422 and sold to Northwest Airlines. who converted them to Freighters..


What was the typical MTOW of a Boeing 747-200B?


This document shows them ranging from 775,000 to 833,000

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... _123sp.pdf

This is just quick wikipedia research so other posters may be able to give more detailed information about how many frames fell in each part of the band width. I was pretty familiar as a younger person with the NW fleet, and they basically had three -200B groups, the -7F/-7J powered planes, the -7Qs, and the -7R4G2s. I believe that each of those groups had a different MTOW, with only the late -7R4G2 powered group going all the way to 833. It is interesting that the airplane in question on this thread was bought to compete with the NW high gross weight birds on JFK-NRT. UA had plenty of SPs, but the economics of the newest -200Bs were clearly far superior.

It is also interesting how quickly those late-model -200Bs went from state of the art to obsolete. The -400, which came just two years later, did the job so much better than these two -222Bs. The FADEC PW4000 lowered maintenance costs and the added fuel capacity made the numbers so much easier on the polar long hauls in the winter.


Also interesting is that the current Air Force One planes are the only Boeing 747-200s in existence with 747-400 engines. I always wondered why the USAF didn't consider the 747-300.
 
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TW870 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

What was the typical MTOW of a Boeing 747-200B?


This document shows them ranging from 775,000 to 833,000

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... _123sp.pdf

This is just quick wikipedia research so other posters may be able to give more detailed information about how many frames fell in each part of the band width. I was pretty familiar as a younger person with the NW fleet, and they basically had three -200B groups, the -7F/-7J powered planes, the -7Qs, and the -7R4G2s. I believe that each of those groups had a different MTOW, with only the late -7R4G2 powered group going all the way to 833. It is interesting that the airplane in question on this thread was bought to compete with the NW high gross weight birds on JFK-NRT. UA had plenty of SPs, but the economics of the newest -200Bs were clearly far superior.

It is also interesting how quickly those late-model -200Bs went from state of the art to obsolete. The -400, which came just two years later, did the job so much better than these two -222Bs. The FADEC PW4000 lowered maintenance costs and the added fuel capacity made the numbers so much easier on the polar long hauls in the winter.


Also interesting is that the current Air Force One planes are the only Boeing 747-200s in existence with 747-400 engines. I always wondered why the USAF didn't consider the 747-300.


In some ways Air Force 1 is just a shortened upper deck -300. You are right that there are no other CF6-80C2 -200Bs, but some late -300s did have FADEC CF6s. They basically just took all that technology and put it on the -200B frame. I think the reason they didn't go -400 is because it was too new for the safety sensitive mission of Air Force 1.

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