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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:46 pm

Does anyone know if AA still has a downloadable timetable? Cant seem to find it if there is one.

Would like to have a copy of the schedule with MD80's in it. :)

How awesome it would have been to park at the end of the active and watch this show!

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KROW/arrivals?;offset=20;order=actualarrivaltime;sort=DESC
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:41 pm

midway7 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't Crandall order the MD-87?


Same reason most airlines didn't.



I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications.

Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50?

The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon.

The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or is otherwise sold. Why did AA paint the nose black in the 1990s and 2000s?
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:16 am

blacksoviet wrote:
midway7 wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Same reason most airlines didn't.



I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications.

Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50?

The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon.

The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or is otherwise sold. Why did AA paint the nose black in the 1990s and 2000s?


No the -87 wouldn't because it incorporated better aerodynamic efficiencies that were present with the MD90. The engines also had a higher bypass.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:23 am

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IAmGaroott wrote:
I know the TWA MD-81s were in the fleet up until 2011, but did this include the ones upgraded to -82 status? Also, were all of the -81s converted?


Factory delivered TWA planes were MD-82s and 83s. There were a few used -81s from Swissair added in the late 90s (converted to -82s).

Fun Fact: N203AA (First AA S80) and N901TW (First TW MD80) were built side by side on the production line at Long Beach.

TWA Skyliner newspaper article on first MD-80 (page 4) "It's Just Plane Super"

http://digital.shsmo.org/digital/collection/twa/id/8145/rec/1124


There was something in that article that I didn’t know. TW once flew 767s to SJC.

Hey Joe P, can you please walk us through the differences between the -81, -82, and -83 for those of us not familiar with the differences. Thanks.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:31 am

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blacksoviet wrote:
midway7 wrote:


I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications.

Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50?

The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon.

The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or is otherwise sold. Why did AA paint the nose black in the 1990s and 2000s?


No the -87 wouldn't because it incorporated better aerodynamic efficiencies that were present with the MD90. The engines also had a higher bypass.

If that's the case then why was the MD-87 a poor seller compared to the 735?
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:54 am

midway7 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't Crandall order the MD-87?


Same reason most airlines didn't.



I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications.


Austrian Airlines and Finnair were the launch customers for the MD-87. American Airlines decided to order 75 Fokker 100s (+ 75 options). For American Airlines, it was probably a good way to operate the Fokker 100 with different pay-scales compared to their Super 80s. In addition to that, the Fokker 100 was seen as a better-suited short haul aircraft.
While a number of European and Asian MD-80-operators opted to add the MD-87, only Midway Airlines took delivery of factory-new MD-87s, while Reno Air, Vanguard Airlines, Great American Airways, and Spirit Airlines also operated (second-hand) MD-87s.

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:34 pm

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There was something in that article that I didn’t know. TW once flew 767s to SJC.


In the timetable listed in that paper, TW also flew a 707-331B from MDT (Harrisburg, Pa.) to STL.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:36 pm

Hey something I just thought of yesterday evening...at 36yrs., doesn't that make the MD-80 the longest-serving type in AA's entire history? I can't think of any other type that flew for them so long; I think the DC-10 and 727 each exceeded ~30yrs., but were each less than the Mad Dog's 36. Anybody know? (I'm thinking the 707 would be the 3rd runner-up after the DC-10 & 727)
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:49 pm

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Hey something I just thought of yesterday evening...at 36yrs., doesn't that make the MD-80 the longest-serving type in AA's entire history?


Yes, I believe it does make it the longest-serving type in AA's history. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_fleet) If you scroll down to the historical aircraft section you can compare them. Another close one is the 767-200, which operated from 1982-2014.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:54 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Hey something I just thought of yesterday evening...at 36yrs., doesn't that make the MD-80 the longest-serving type in AA's entire history? I can't think of any other type that flew for them so long; I think the DC-10 and 727 each exceeded ~30yrs., but were each less than the Mad Dog's 36. Anybody know? (I'm thinking the 707 would be the 3rd runner-up after the DC-10 & 727)


The 727 was in service with American for 38 years: 1964-2002. That's if you include both the 100 and the 200 Series. If you consider only the 200 Series that's 34 years: 1968-2002. Northwest has flown the 727 for 39 years: 1964-2003, longer than any US based airline ever did.

The 767 also will reach 38 years of service with American by the time the last one retires in 2021, if you include both the 200 and the 300ER variants. If you consider only the 300ER variant that's 33 years: 1988-2021. Delta will probably exceed 40 years of flying the 767, if you include all the variants.

DC-10 at American: 29 years. 1971-2000.

The 757 also could reach 36 years at American, if the last ones stays till 2025. The first one was delivered in 1989.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:08 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
midway7 wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Same reason most airlines didn't.



I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications.

Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50?

The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon.

The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or is otherwise sold. Why did AA paint the nose black in the 1990s and 2000s?


The 'era' is MD-80s in scheduled passenger service at AA, not AA in possession of MD-80s. The passenger service era clearly ended.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:12 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
Hey something I just thought of yesterday evening...at 36yrs., doesn't that make the MD-80 the longest-serving type in AA's entire history? I can't think of any other type that flew for them so long; I think the DC-10 and 727 each exceeded ~30yrs., but were each less than the Mad Dog's 36. Anybody know? (I'm thinking the 707 would be the 3rd runner-up after the DC-10 & 727)


The 727 was in service with American for 38 years: 1964-2002. That's if you include both the 100 and the 200 Series. If you consider only the 200 Series that's 34 years: 1968-2002. Northwest has flown the 727 for 39 years: 1964-2003, longer than any US based airline ever did.

The 767 also will reach 38 years of service with American by the time the last one retires in 2021, if you include both the 200 and the 300ER variants. If you consider only the 300ER variant that's 33 years: 1988-2021. Delta will probably exceed 40 years of flying the 767, if you include all the variants.

DC-10 at American: 29 years. 1971-2000.

The 757 also could reach 36 years at American, if the last ones stays till 2025. The first one was delivered in 1989.


Good points all around. If one considers, proximately, that the 717 and MD-80 series are type certificate holders of the DC-9, Delta/NWA has had that bird in operation since 1965, and is likely to operate the 717 I believe through 2025 (might be wrong). That would net a remarkable 60 year span, probably a record in the US for a major carrier.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:24 pm

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WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50?

The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon.

The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or is otherwise sold. Why did AA paint the nose black in the 1990s and 2000s?


No the -87 wouldn't because it incorporated better aerodynamic efficiencies that were present with the MD90. The engines also had a higher bypass.

If that's the case then why was the MD-87 a poor seller compared to the 735?


Because the 735 was still a better performer? The 735 only really sold to airlines that were heavily invested in the 737 to begin with. MD-87 was the same way. It also came out way late in the game IIRC the MD-90 was already a paper airplane by then.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Finally have some videos uploaded from my trip on AA80...
Pushback and engine start. Many employees were stopping to take photos/videos along the alleyway and can even see some employees and passengers taking photos from inside the A-C connector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbznN12g2UM

Nice announcement from the flight crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huo1NXrHIJw

Takeoff from DFW with the full effect of the JT8D sound from row 31. Also the longest takeoff run I ever had on an MD80.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45d7M6Bx-k

Landing in Chicago with more JT8D action. Brief glimpse of the walls and overhead bins already lined with passengers' signatures before landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_hZ_uH9WI
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:35 pm

747fan wrote:
Finally have some videos uploaded from my trip on AA80...
Pushback and engine start. Many employees were stopping to take photos/videos along the alleyway and can even see some employees and passengers taking photos from inside the A-C connector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbznN12g2UM

Nice announcement from the flight crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huo1NXrHIJw

Takeoff from DFW with the full effect of the JT8D sound from row 31. Also the longest takeoff run I ever had on an MD80.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45d7M6Bx-k

Landing in Chicago with more JT8D action. Brief glimpse of the walls and overhead bins already lined with passengers' signatures before landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_hZ_uH9WI


Great vids. I watched the DFW takeoff and ORD landings and gave the first 'like' to both of them. Coming into ORD, was that a brief glimpse of MDW through the clouds?
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:40 pm

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DL_Mech wrote:
IAmGaroott wrote:
I know the TWA MD-81s were in the fleet up until 2011, but did this include the ones upgraded to -82 status? Also, were all of the -81s converted?


Factory delivered TWA planes were MD-82s and 83s. There were a few used -81s from Swissair added in the late 90s (converted to -82s).

Fun Fact: N203AA (First AA S80) and N901TW (First TW MD80) were built side by side on the production line at Long Beach.

TWA Skyliner newspaper article on first MD-80 (page 4) "It's Just Plane Super"

http://digital.shsmo.org/digital/collection/twa/id/8145/rec/1124


There was something in that article that I didn’t know. TW once flew 767s to SJC.

Hey Joe P, can you please walk us through the differences between the -81, -82, and -83 for those of us not familiar with the differences. Thanks.


The MD-80 wiki article covers this pretty well. But essentially:
MD-81 was the standard ac
MD-82 had stronger engines for “hot and high operations” and higher MTOW
MD-83 had greater range and stronger engines
MD-87 was a shortened fuselage (all others same length)
MD-88 was an -83 with glass instruments
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:00 pm

747fan wrote:
Finally have some videos uploaded from my trip on AA80...
Pushback and engine start. Many employees were stopping to take photos/videos along the alleyway and can even see some employees and passengers taking photos from inside the A-C connector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbznN12g2UM

Nice announcement from the flight crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huo1NXrHIJw

Takeoff from DFW with the full effect of the JT8D sound from row 31. Also the longest takeoff run I ever had on an MD80.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45d7M6Bx-k

Landing in Chicago with more JT8D action. Brief glimpse of the walls and overhead bins already lined with passengers' signatures before landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_hZ_uH9WI


Wonderful videos and sounds of course! I'm glad she had a long take off. I was way down on the F stand and you guys rotated right in front of us!

 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:58 pm

Did LASER buy any MD-80s from American?
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:45 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
Hey something I just thought of yesterday evening...at 36yrs., doesn't that make the MD-80 the longest-serving type in AA's entire history? I can't think of any other type that flew for them so long; I think the DC-10 and 727 each exceeded ~30yrs., but were each less than the Mad Dog's 36. Anybody know? (I'm thinking the 707 would be the 3rd runner-up after the DC-10 & 727)


The 727 was in service with American for 38 years: 1964-2002. That's if you include both the 100 and the 200 Series. If you consider only the 200 Series that's 34 years: 1968-2002. Northwest has flown the 727 for 39 years: 1964-2003, longer than any US based airline ever did.

The 767 also will reach 38 years of service with American by the time the last one retires in 2021, if you include both the 200 and the 300ER variants. If you consider only the 300ER variant that's 33 years: 1988-2021. Delta will probably exceed 40 years of flying the 767, if you include all the variants.

DC-10 at American: 29 years. 1971-2000.

The 757 also could reach 36 years at American, if the last ones stays till 2025. The first one was delivered in 1989.


GREAT info, thanks! My error was that I'd thought the 727 was retired earlier, and yes, certainly including both 100/200 series. That'll be amazing about the 767...wow...and yeah, later on the 757 matching the MD-80 possibly. Damn.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:10 pm

Will be truly missed! Here is the best pic I ever got of her!

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:14 pm

I was lucky enough to tour inside the first DC-9-Super 80 (pictured above) when it was doing test flights at SMF (we used to see a number of first edition airliners in house colors before EIS). It was loaded with computers and monitors, and a few banks of wide seats we were told were out of a DC-6, not modern productions. I didn't know at the time that I would soon be moving on to Air California/AirCal, which was the second U.S. airline after PSA to receive the new type. We (airport agents) didn't like them much at the beginning, as we experienced a number of mechanicals (teething pains, I suppose), so we preferred working the gate for our trusty little 737-100/200s for a while. But we did learn to love the seating configuration, sticking fewer people in the dreaded middle seats.

Years later, I commuted between SMF and DFW when I worked at AA HDQ, flying out and back weekly for 4 1/2 years and then again for 9 months or so later in the 90's. All were S80s, and I got bored with them: so now and then I connected with Eagle through SFO or SJC for the chance to fly on a 757/767/DC10/MD11. (In fact, I was on the first revenue DFW-SJC MD11 flight.)

Over time, I flew (as a passenger) on Super 80s/MD80s on 9 airlines, with AirCal, AA, ALM Antillean, DL, SR (original Swissair), Aeropostál, Alaska, PSA, and USAir. I would have entered AA's drawing for a seat on one of the final ROW ferries (Retirees were allotted a whole 10 seats to fight over), but I had house guests scheduled. But I shoulda been there!
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:31 pm

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Great vids. I watched the DFW takeoff and ORD landings and gave the first 'like' to both of them. Coming into ORD, was that a brief glimpse of MDW through the clouds?

Thank you. I believe that is DPA/DuPage Airport based on the location, as we came in from the west.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:38 pm

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Wonderful videos and sounds of course! I'm glad she had a long take off. I was way down on the F stand and you guys rotated right in front of us!



Fantastic shot. The very gradual rotation certainly helped too...not what I was used to when flying MD80's. I'm sure it was the opposite of the empty departures to ROW throughout the day, some of which I heard did "wing rocks" to wave goodbye as they were lifting off from DFW.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:35 am

747fan wrote:
KPDX wrote:

Wonderful videos and sounds of course! I'm glad she had a long take off. I was way down on the F stand and you guys rotated right in front of us!



Fantastic shot. The very gradual rotation certainly helped too...not what I was used to when flying MD80's. I'm sure it was the opposite of the empty departures to ROW throughout the day, some of which I heard did "wing rocks" to wave goodbye as they were lifting off from DFW.


You are indeed correct. I was at Founder's Plaza and the empties rotated just past the end of D (from my vantage point). 80 was even past the Skylink structure (down by the stands, to your point). There were a ton of people there--parking lot was completely full. It was fun to be there.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:50 am

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The last MD80 into BNA just landed.


Last MD80 into CMH just landed as well. Water cannon salute planned for its final return to DFW in about an hour. Good group of spotters on hand to say goodbye.

The flight out of CMH didnt get listed on the final flights map on facebook in the AA MD80 group.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:43 am

Have any of the AA MD-80s been converted to freighters?
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:21 pm

AA"s MD-80s are deregistered.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-md80.htm

What I find interesting is DL accelerated MD-80/90 over the last week too. I'm such a geek I keep a spreadsheet on active MD-80/90s.

In the last month DL removed 9 from the registry of which 4 were MD-90, 5 were MD-80s removed. For DL, about 4 retirements per month is the new normal.

In the 3 years I've kept track, AA went from 80 to none. DL from 181 to 95, and G4 (Allegiant) from 46 to 47 to none (they peaked MD-80 ownership after I started taking data).

At the peak, AA operated 370 MD-80s:

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_May/md80/

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:31 pm

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Have any of the AA MD-80s been converted to freighters?

Per this old thread, only 3 conversions:

viewtopic.php?t=1389987

The vendor supply chain , excluding consumables such as seals and breaks, is shut down. Parts will be tough to find unless someone is buying up these used AA frames.

AA will have a market for golden engines (engines with thousands of cycles left until the next overhaul). That ensures what few engine parts that were in production stop. My calculations show DL needs to buy a handful of golden engines. But mind you, they are not going for much, at most $300,000 (versus about $1.2 million for an overhaul).

I speculate when DL retires the type, there won't be any certified engine overhaul shops left as there will be a period of 3 to 5 years the remaining fleet could be taken care of by swapping in golden engines onto the few active airframes. Then the fleet is done.

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:29 pm

Someone above mentioned differences between the different model MD80 aircraft. They stated the MD88 is a MD83 with glass cockpit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing an MD83 with the old analog cockpit, or were the original 83's the older cockpit? Even though the numbers would be out of order, would that make the late 90's built MD83's the latest and greatest models with exception to the MD90 and 717 ofcourse?
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:17 pm

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AA"s MD-80s are deregistered.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-md80.htm

What I find interesting is DL accelerated MD-80/90 over the last week too. I'm such a geek I keep a spreadsheet on active MD-80/90s.

In the last month DL removed 9 from the registry of which 4 were MD-90, 5 were MD-80s removed. For DL, about 4 retirements per month is the new normal.

In the 3 years I've kept track, AA went from 80 to none. DL from 181 to 95, and G4 (Allegiant) from 46 to 47 to none (they peaked MD-80 ownership after I started taking data).

At the peak, AA operated 370 MD-80s:

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_May/md80/

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And you know, something I just thought to look up...AA had an incredible safety record with the Mad Dog...36 years of ops, total of 370 ships operated, and only one write-off/hull loss...it was N215AA, the ship that had the overrun accident at LIT. The only other write-off (this is all per planespotters.net) was a maintenance accident (ship slipped off a jack and punctured the fuselage or something like that). Most impressive.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:56 pm

I’m sure it’s buried in the thread somewhere, but what we’re all the crew bases for the AA MD-80 over the years?
 
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Have any of the AA MD-80s been converted to freighters?


Aeronaves TSM will have an eventual fleet of 17 USAJet has 1 and Everts has 5 with registrations reserved for 4 more. FITS air had one converted but it flys with TSM now. Most of TSM’s are ex AA birds
 
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AA"s MD-80s are deregistered.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-md80.htm

What I find interesting is DL accelerated MD-80/90 over the last week too. I'm such a geek I keep a spreadsheet on active MD-80/90s.

In the last month DL removed 9 from the registry of which 4 were MD-90, 5 were MD-80s removed. For DL, about 4 retirements per month is the new normal.

In the 3 years I've kept track, AA went from 80 to none. DL from 181 to 95, and G4 (Allegiant) from 46 to 47 to none (they peaked MD-80 ownership after I started taking data).

At the peak, AA operated 370 MD-80s:

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_May/md80/

Lightsaber


And you know, something I just thought to look up...AA had an incredible safety record with the Mad Dog...36 years of ops, total of 370 ships operated, and only one write-off/hull loss...it was N215AA, the ship that had the overrun accident at LIT. The only other write-off (this is all per planespotters.net) was a maintenance accident (ship slipped off a jack and punctured the fuselage or something like that). Most impressive.

Considering the hours/cycles that is an amazing record!

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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:00 pm

dtw9 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Have any of the AA MD-80s been converted to freighters?


Aeronaves TSM will have an eventual fleet of 17 USAJet has 1 and Everts has 5 with registrations reserved for 4 more. FITS air had one converted but it flys with TSM now. Most of TSM’s are ex AA birds


EDIT: Will any of the retired MD80s find a new home? Most of those retired recently (and many of the more recent-build TWA birds) MD83s are just about 20ish years old. At low frequencies I would think they could at least make it some 10 years if they're careful, even with most of the support in the world gone.

I noticed Everts received one from AA in early 2019 (N483A), but by the looks of it it's probably going to be used for parts as it hasn't flown since (FA says it last flew to Fairbanks some 7 months ago).

Had no idea Everts operated some 50-year old DC9s.... dang.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:35 pm

lightsaber wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
AA"s MD-80s are deregistered.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-md80.htm

What I find interesting is DL accelerated MD-80/90 over the last week too. I'm such a geek I keep a spreadsheet on active MD-80/90s.

In the last month DL removed 9 from the registry of which 4 were MD-90, 5 were MD-80s removed. For DL, about 4 retirements per month is the new normal.

In the 3 years I've kept track, AA went from 80 to none. DL from 181 to 95, and G4 (Allegiant) from 46 to 47 to none (they peaked MD-80 ownership after I started taking data).

At the peak, AA operated 370 MD-80s:

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_May/md80/

Lightsaber


And you know, something I just thought to look up...AA had an incredible safety record with the Mad Dog...36 years of ops, total of 370 ships operated, and only one write-off/hull loss...it was N215AA, the ship that had the overrun accident at LIT. The only other write-off (this is all per planespotters.net) was a maintenance accident (ship slipped off a jack and punctured the fuselage or something like that). Most impressive.

Considering the hours/cycles that is an amazing record!

Lightsaber


Absolutely. It truly is a spectacular safety record for that level of time and utilization. To think, if not for a couple of pilots with “get-there-itis” in a severe thunderstorm, the safety record would be flawless over the 36 years.
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:39 pm

Delta had a total of 180ish MD80/90 and has only written one of them off too - the runway overrun at LGA a few years ago.
 
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:56 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Delta had a total of 180ish MD80/90 and has only written one of them off too - the runway overrun at LGA a few years ago.


True. But there was the PNS incident that claimed two lives. Nonetheless, another very impressive record over nearly 33 years.

Speaking of fleet count, Delta’s total MD fleet peaked at 272 aircraft by 2015, IIRC. (116+65+91). Close to the same amount of Super 80 new builds ordered by AA, ironically (260).
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:55 am

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I’m sure it’s buried in the thread somewhere, but what we’re all the crew bases for the AA MD-80 over the years?


DFW, ORD and STL for sure. Because DFW and ORD have always been major hubs , plus DFW and STL have always been MD-80 heaven, ORD also to some extent.

Other than these three hubs, I would think LGA, and maybe LAX.
I don't think RDU and BNA ever were MD-80 crew bases, because at the time when RDU and BNA were hubs it was mostly the 727 that was widely in service on domestic runs out of these two hubs.
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:21 am

Ex-TW pilots were fenced in at STL for a time and could retain relative seniority at the base. The STL pilot base was closed back in 9/2018, though.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:26 pm

From what I remember in late 2000's:

MD-80 pilot bases:
DFW
ORD
STL
LAX
SFO
NYC (LGA)
BOS
DCA
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:47 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
From what I remember in late 2000's:
SFO


Probably at the time when SJC was a hub which saw mostly MD-80 variants. Yes I was going to mention SJC too, I thought of it only after I posted my last post. I'm sure that Reno Air pilots were all based out of SJC. Was SFO still an MD-80 crew base after American dehubbed SJC?
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:26 pm

I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:29 pm

Friarboy wrote:
I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number.

It will remain there as a trainer of some sort
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:00 am

rufusmi wrote:
Friarboy wrote:
I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number.

It will remain there as a trainer of some sort


According to the FB DFW Spotters page, it's to be used for deicing training.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:09 pm

Friarboy wrote:
I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number.


I read that its N9677W that's being kept around and used as some sort of trainer. An original TWA bird built in 1999.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:22 pm

trnswrld wrote:
Friarboy wrote:
I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number.


I read that its N9677W that's being kept around and used as some sort of trainer. An original TWA bird built in 1999.


I believe it's being retained to use for winter de-icing training.
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:39 am

In all my years of flying, working for Delta, retiring from Delta, and plane-spotting since the age of 12, there's nothing better than a DC-9! and all of its relatives...
 
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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:02 am

WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
WN732 wrote:

No the -87 wouldn't because it incorporated better aerodynamic efficiencies that were present with the MD90. The engines also had a higher bypass.

If that's the case then why was the MD-87 a poor seller compared to the 735?


Because the 735 was still a better performer? The 735 only really sold to airlines that were heavily invested in the 737 to begin with. MD-87 was the same way. It also came out way late in the game IIRC the MD-90 was already a paper airplane by then.


It wasn't performance-wise. The 735 was the slowest and not the most efficient. IT was quickly dumped by UA in BK (in 2008, yet they kept the 757s around) and CO after the merger in 2011 due to high lease rates because CO was in BK when they ordered them.

The difference being UAL got their 735s in the late 80s/early 90s in tandem with their 733s and CO got them late with a bad credit rating with deliveries lasting until the mid 1990s (733s much earlier in the mid/late 1980s like UA). The 735 is among my least favorite plane in commercial service and in retrospect UA should've ordered more A319/320 and CO more 73G/738 to offset the type.

Aside the 735, it's insane to think about the fact that AA had almost 300 S80s around 10 years ago. They were so prevalent in the network that I was almost certain they would never get rid of them, yet here we are. Times have changed so goddamn much.
 
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