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CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:15 am

Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:40 am

Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!


On another forum there was mention that the agency promoting more direct air access to Cape Town is in the final stages of securing a route to the Far East, with HKG being most obvious choice...not sure how doable HKG-CPT is. With it was mentioned that it's quite possible that CX will switch HKG-JNB to A350 in the near future and hence to make up for slight capacity decrease will possibly do 3 weekly HKG-CPT
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:05 am

any source?
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:51 am

LH658 wrote:
any source?

nothing official yet- but will be soon

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Re: CX to launch IAD

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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:21 pm

Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event


What is MPC event?
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:58 pm

LIPZ wrote:
Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event


What is MPC event?


Marco Polo Club.

If the rumor is true, good for CX. I have always thought that UA would jump on the route first, I guess not.

As for IAD > DFW: I don't see HKG being able to sustain 2x daily flight between HKG and DFW. The demand is not there yet.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:00 pm

Reported by South China Morning Post; says it will be announced next week:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/econ ... washington
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:04 pm

Excellent! It's about time IAD got a link to HKG.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:05 pm

Surely an A350 route?
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:14 pm

I’m not surprised about this route, and especially not surprised about this vs DFW. DFW already has a link to HKG. IAD should be an excellent route for CX!
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:17 pm

Also rumours of a morning departure ex DXB
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:28 pm

This was needed for CX.

In my opinion IAD, JFK, and BOS are all excellent choices for CX. PHL would have been a better bet for EWR but I am not an expert route planner.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:01 pm

Really really good news. Hopefully award availability will be decent.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:05 pm

Good news for IAD and really good new for OneWorld travelers in the DC area going to Asia!
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:43 am

This Marco Polo event will have a great background (picture wise) :D
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:06 am

grjplanes wrote:
Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!


On another forum there was mention that the agency promoting more direct air access to Cape Town is in the final stages of securing a route to the Far East, with HKG being most obvious choice...not sure how doable HKG-CPT is. With it was mentioned that it's quite possible that CX will switch HKG-JNB to A350 in the near future and hence to make up for slight capacity decrease will possibly do 3 weekly HKG-CPT


Is there really demand for an HKG-CPT service? CPT has most likely not even had a direct service to Asia. Has SQ ever served CPT non-stop in the past? They serve SIN-JNB-CPT which serves both markets better.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:10 am

NichCage wrote:
grjplanes wrote:
Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!


On another forum there was mention that the agency promoting more direct air access to Cape Town is in the final stages of securing a route to the Far East, with HKG being most obvious choice...not sure how doable HKG-CPT is. With it was mentioned that it's quite possible that CX will switch HKG-JNB to A350 in the near future and hence to make up for slight capacity decrease will possibly do 3 weekly HKG-CPT


Is there really demand for an HKG-CPT service? CPT has most likely not even had a direct service to Asia. Has SQ ever served CPT non-stop in the past? They serve SIN-JNB-CPT which serves both markets better.


SQ have in the past atleast seasonally served SIN-CPT Non stop. CX would likely reduce JNB capacity slightly with an A350 instead of 77W atleast in the NS.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:40 am

NichCage wrote:
grjplanes wrote:
Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!


On another forum there was mention that the agency promoting more direct air access to Cape Town is in the final stages of securing a route to the Far East, with HKG being most obvious choice...not sure how doable HKG-CPT is. With it was mentioned that it's quite possible that CX will switch HKG-JNB to A350 in the near future and hence to make up for slight capacity decrease will possibly do 3 weekly HKG-CPT


Is there really demand for an HKG-CPT service? CPT has most likely not even had a direct service to Asia. Has SQ ever served CPT non-stop in the past? They serve SIN-JNB-CPT which serves both markets better.


MH used to serve CPT enroute to EZE from KUL, the actual routing was KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE & reverse on the 744's, IIRC.
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:13 am

MrHMSH wrote:
Surely an A350 route?


Yep:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/econ ... washington

Travellers between Hong Kong and Washington can from next year enjoy a non-stop journey of under 17 hours, as Cathay Pacific Airways is expected to announce next week its direct service to the US capital.

The new flight, on an A350 aircraft, will be the first commercial direct flight to Washington from Hong Kong. It will cut at least two hours from the current route served by multiple airlines, where there is at least one stopover.

It will also be the city’s longest non-stop air route and the longest flight for Cathay Pacific, its No 1 airline.
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:29 pm

Wow! That will be one loooong flight!

What load are we talking in an A359? What about the -1000?
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:50 pm

The South China Morning Post article says this will be the longest route out of HKG (in mileage), and I am thinking it will also become the longest out of IAD as well if I'm not mistaken. Oh if only they'd started this 17yrs ago in time for my last trip to Asia!!!
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:06 pm

cathay747 wrote:
The South China Morning Post article says this will be the longest route out of HKG (in mileage), and I am thinking it will also become the longest out of IAD as well if I'm not mistaken. Oh if only they'd started this 17yrs ago in time for my last trip to Asia!!!


Maybe just the reason to go back after 17 years, no..? LOL
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:05 pm

It would be a nice A359 route. I guess CX is inspired by the success of BOS. IAD will be a heavily premium route as well.
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:20 pm

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It would be a nice A359 route. I guess CX is inspired by the success of BOS. IAD will be a heavily premium route as well.

And EWR too.
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:47 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
As for IAD > DFW: I don't see HKG being able to sustain 2x daily flight between HKG and DFW. The demand is not there yet.


If the rumors about CX leaving OneWorld have any credibility, they don't need to serve DFW.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:42 pm

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If the rumors about CX leaving OneWorld have any credibility, they don't need to serve DFW.


If the rumors are true, CX would also NOT need to serve LA as often at they do (since they would be losing all the AA codeshare traffic), ORD (since United serves it already), and perhaps even SFO.

In part, that is why the rumor makes no sense. At a time when CX's revenue premium is declining, the last thing it should consider doing is entering an alliance where they would face increased competition from its own partners for O&D customers.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:16 am

ldvaviation wrote:
toxtethogrady wrote:
If the rumors about CX leaving OneWorld have any credibility, they don't need to serve DFW.


If the rumors are true, CX would also NOT need to serve LA as often at they do (since they would be losing all the AA codeshare traffic), ORD (since United serves it already), and perhaps even SFO.

In part, that is why the rumor makes no sense. At a time when CX's revenue premium is declining, the last thing it should consider doing is entering an alliance where they would face increased competition from its own partners for O&D customers.

1) CX flies more frequency on SFO-HKG than UA does. Why must they cancel the service altogether?
2) CX flies more seats on ORD-HKG than UA does (and more premium seats for that matter). Again, why do they need to cancel the service? If ORD is really underperforming at least the 4-class 77H should be swapped out already to either a three-class 77G or an A359. (I knew they had a second daily flight before removing that.)
3) CX already reduce(d) frequencies on LAX-HKG even with OW relationships.
4) Are you inclining, by your last sentence, that CX and UA are NOT competing with each other when they're in different alliances?! This is what your implication is, and this is absolutely not making any sense to me. How does switching alliance "increase" any competition when they're there already? If anything it may improve their cooperation especially to smaller destinations, rather than increasing competition.

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Re: CX to launch IAD

Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:33 am

ldvaviation wrote:
toxtethogrady wrote:
If the rumors about CX leaving OneWorld have any credibility, they don't need to serve DFW.


If the rumors are true, CX would also NOT need to serve LA as often at they do (since they would be losing all the AA codeshare traffic), ORD (since United serves it already), and perhaps even SFO.

In part, that is why the rumor makes no sense. At a time when CX's revenue premium is declining, the last thing it should consider doing is entering an alliance where they would face increased competition from its own partners for O&D customers.


You realized that LAX and SFO by themselves has tons of O/D traffic, right? Why do you think CX operates 3 daily to both cities? And why do you think HX with zero feed on the US side pick LAX and SFO as their first two US destination?

And ultimately, it is a rumor from some nobody claiming he/she heard it from a friend. Very believable :white:
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:40 am

NichCage wrote:
grjplanes wrote:
Kashmon wrote:
Being reported on other forums
To be announced very soon at MPC event

I am surprised IAD before DFW

Also another 2 new Cities to be announced for 2018

already announced 2018
Dublin, Copenhagen Brussels and Nanning


2018 is set to be a Huge expansion year for CX!


On another forum there was mention that the agency promoting more direct air access to Cape Town is in the final stages of securing a route to the Far East, with HKG being most obvious choice...not sure how doable HKG-CPT is. With it was mentioned that it's quite possible that CX will switch HKG-JNB to A350 in the near future and hence to make up for slight capacity decrease will possibly do 3 weekly HKG-CPT


Is there really demand for an HKG-CPT service? CPT has most likely not even had a direct service to Asia. Has SQ ever served CPT non-stop in the past? They serve SIN-JNB-CPT which serves both markets better.


Ironically yesterday it seems the DeerJet 787 was flying HKG-CPT...so someone wanted to fly the route...was just under 15hours.

Over the last few years the market in CPT have changed and expanded a lot, so we can't really measure against what was operating before. Why SQ service have remained status quo so long i dont know, apparently doing quite well out of CPT. However I guess the transfer markets via DXB, DOH and ADD is capturing a lot of Asia traffic...even NBO and MRU nowadays...i believe the more these markets increase the more the smaller market of pax wanting more direct or nonstop services also expands.
As said before, only rumour. Lets rather focus on IAD here for now.
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:40 pm

It's official:

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... on-dc.html

Introducing the first direct flights between Hong Kong and Washington, D.C., 4 times weekly in our all-new A350-1000 from 15 September 2018.


https://twitter.com/cathaypacific/statu ... 3460294657
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:07 pm

Is there any update on CX's first A350-1000? When is the first delivery (CX says spring 2018).
 
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Re: CX to launch IAD

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:34 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
It's official:

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... on-dc.html

Introducing the first direct flights between Hong Kong and Washington, D.C., 4 times weekly in our all-new A350-1000 from 15 September 2018.


https://twitter.com/cathaypacific/statu ... 3460294657


Somewhat of a rough departure time at 1:15am. Not much open at IAD at that time....not even sure the BA lounge would be open.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:37 pm

Good news (not least because I didn't think the A35K had the legs for a route of that length!)

Any idea as to what existing routes they're planning to send the 35K to? One of the LHR flights, perhaps? Or LGW
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:48 pm

kaitak wrote:
Good news (not least because I didn't think the A35K had the legs for a route of that length!)

Any idea as to what existing routes they're planning to send the 35K to? One of the LHR flights, perhaps? Or LGW


After the initial regional deployment, I think Australia will most likely be the first ones to get A350-1000 because of the limitation of the air service agreement with Australia. I expect to see swapping A350-900 with A350-1000 like SYD and MEL.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:54 pm

kaitak wrote:
Good news (not least because I didn't think the A35K had the legs for a route of that length!)

Any idea as to what existing routes they're planning to send the 35K to? One of the LHR flights, perhaps? Or LGW


I am gonna guess that since range isn't a big issue, any route where they regularly fly 3-class 77Ws should be fair game, with the replaced 77Ws taking up more medium haul work.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:27 pm

I wonder why the -1000 is used instead of the -900. I would think the -900 solely because of range.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:34 pm

Seems that CX likes to test these long range flights with 4/wk flights initially. BCN, DUB, CPH and BOS were all started this way.

A350-1000 is a bit of a surprise. CX is very bold to start with the 2nd largest plane in the fleet (330-seat vs. 77W's 340-seat), rather than starting small with A350-900. Seems the airline is very confident with the demand.

I do believe IAD will have a lot of premium traffic. There will always be streams of Asian business people traveling to Washington to meet with Officials or Congressmen. CX's route will provide those from S.E. Asia and southern China the most direct and convenient service to do so. I wonder if CX will have some A350-1000 with First Class (i.e. a 4-class cabin). IAD would be a route that can probably support having a small First Class cabin, may be 6-seat like the 4-class 77W, or even just 3 F-seats, to differentiate from the 77W.
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:00 pm

no first class on A350-1000

all the 777-9 will have first class but they will only replace the 77H which will be sent back to lessor or if financed/owned be transferred to regional

I doubt CX will put first class on any new routes- they were the first to go 1-1-1 for first class so the ticket price is naturally higher- fewer markets can sustain it

CX is going to place another widebody order soon
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

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CX is going to place another widebody order soon


For A333/772/773 replacement?
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:20 pm

I'm surprised it is starting with the -1000! That is a loooong flight, as I mentioned in another post upthread.

I thought the -900 would have had the longer legs especially on the farthest end of range capabilty that I am sure this flight will use. It is longer than HKG-JFK-HKG! I assume, given that the flight is starting next year, it will be operated by the basic 308t -1000 and not the likely future 316t version. Incredible!

Can anyone estimate what load the longer and more brutal of the legs will be able to take? I believe it would be the return IAD-HKG.
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CXGabriel wrote:
Kashmon wrote:

CX is going to place another widebody order soon


For A333/772/773 replacement?


Colour me intrigued...
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:32 pm

I'm surprised one of the JFK frequencies isn't being converted to an A35K, just to save on landing fees. The EWR schedule was replaced with an A359...and the freight seems to be on dedicated cargo planes anyhow.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:35 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
I wonder why the -1000 is used instead of the -900. I would think the -900 solely because of range.


MoKa777 wrote:
I thought the -900 would have had the longer legs especially on the farthest end of range capabilty that I am sure this flight will use. It is longer than HKG-JFK-HKG! I assume, given that the flight is starting next year, it will be operated by the basic 308t -1000 and not the likely future 316t version. Incredible!

Can anyone estimate what load the longer and more brutal of the legs will be able to take? I believe it would be the return IAD-HKG.


Based on the payload/range chart the A350-1000 should be able to lift up to 43t payload on a route like IAD-HKG. That equals about 330 passengers and 10t cargo.

While the A350-900 can fly even further, IAD-HKG is within comfortable limits of the A350-1000 range capabilities.

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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

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I'm surprised one of the JFK frequencies isn't being converted to an A35K, just to save on landing fees. The EWR schedule was replaced with an A359...and the freight seems to be on dedicated cargo planes anyhow.

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also I do not really understand why people want CX to replace 777's with A350;S

I would rather they launch new routes, some of the 777's are only 2 years old!
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:59 pm

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also I do not really understand why people want CX to replace 777's with A350;S

I would rather they launch new routes, some of the 777's are only 2 years old!

I think CX should place the A350-1000 strategically. From the perspective of seat and range capacity, they are identical to the 3-class 77W in CX's fleet. But they are more fuel efficient. It makes more sense to put A350-1000 in the ultra-long routes (those with flight duration of over 14hrs) to East Coast US and Canada (unless CX needs a 4-class aircraft to fly the flight, such as some JFK flights and BOS), or to ultra-competitive long range routes such as YVR or SFO. .

The 3-class 77W that comes off from the routes as stated above should be kept in the fleet, and can then be used to open new routes that are "shorter" or with less competition, such as SEA. But may be some of those 77Ws can be reconfigured and used to replace the older 773 on regional routes too.

Kashmon wrote:
CX is going to place another widebody order soon


Really? With so many 777-9 and A350-1000 on order, I would think CX has sufficient number of long range aircraft ordered to replace the older 77Ws by 2020s, and to support growth.

So I suppose the new order would be for regional expansion and replacements? Let me take a guess. A mix of A330 Regional and A330-900 seems to make sense. Most A330-300 routes can be served with the Regional, which is cheaper to operate and maintain. Australia and Middle East services can then be served with A330-900.
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:03 pm

Could the 787-10 do the Middle East,Australian routes for CX without taking a capacity hit? If so how much of a hit would it take? Just being curious could CX be looking at 787-10 for regional routes. I think airbus has the edge as they have a lot of A330 trained crews which transitioning over to A330-900'S would be less time consuming an expensive.
 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:50 pm

 
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:34 pm

Wasn’t a thread started stating that once this route was announced they would also be announcing a move to ⭐️? Per supposedly some internal UA IAD management rumors.
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Re: CX announces HKG-IAD with A350-1000

Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:59 pm

Stunning news. The A350-1000 is a true longhauler!!

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