xxcr wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

this should be the last of the 3 class 767 in mod right?

No, one more. N660UA is still doing ORDLHR round trips. Must be only one mod line now, so waiting for 654 to exit.(?)

Ahh, so once they finish the PMUA 767 retrofit, do they start the retrofits on the PMCO 767?

The only pmCO 76s are the -400s and I don’t know the schedule on those. I’m guessing after 660 is done they will start on the three exHA that are currently stored at GYR. After that there are still 14 2-class pmUA 763s

77W
N2748U Delivery planned UA2704 PAESFO 20Nov (18th and last)

Just got a pairing alert to ferry a 767 from HNL-HKG on the 23rd. The pairing has sense been hidden from our open time but is still showing up if I search by the pairing number. I imagine this is for 660. Sadly I won’t be trying to pick it up as the trip originates with a dead head out or SFO on Thanksgiving.

kaitakfan wrote:

Just got a pairing alert to ferry a 767 from HNL-HKG on the 23rd. The pairing has sense been hidden from our open time but is still showing up if I search by the pairing number. I imagine this is for 660. Sadly I won’t be trying to pick it up as the trip originates with a dead head out or SFO on Thanksgiving.

Wonder if that is contingent on 654 leaving HKG...which is kinda iffy atm.

iahcsr wrote:

kaitakfan wrote:

Just got a pairing alert to ferry a 767 from HNL-HKG on the 23rd. The pairing has sense been hidden from our open time but is still showing up if I search by the pairing number. I imagine this is for 660. Sadly I won’t be trying to pick it up as the trip originates with a dead head out or SFO on Thanksgiving.

Wonder if that is contingent on 654 leaving HKG...which is kinda iffy atm.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Looks like the second test hop got cancelled and hasn’t been rescheduled. Is that what you see?

UAX Update:

E35:
N28529 and N12530 have both left the UAX fleet. This officially ends the ERJ-135 service on United.

CR2:
N933EV (2005 build) has entered UAX fleet with Skywest (globe)
N937EV (2005 build) has entered UAX fleet with Skywest (globe)
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kaitakfan wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

kaitakfan wrote:

Just got a pairing alert to ferry a 767 from HNL-HKG on the 23rd. The pairing has sense been hidden from our open time but is still showing up if I search by the pairing number. I imagine this is for 660. Sadly I won’t be trying to pick it up as the trip originates with a dead head out or SFO on Thanksgiving.

Wonder if that is contingent on 654 leaving HKG...which is kinda iffy atm.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Looks like the second test hop got cancelled and hasn’t been rescheduled. Is that what you see?

Indeed so... I’m looking at FlightAware like everyone else. UA has internal programming that tracks this stuff in minute detail but I don’t need to use it myself and I’m usually too busy to go poking around in it when I’m at work.

77W:
N2748U has been delivered with a ferry flight from PAE to SFO. This marks the end of UA 77W deliveries.

I went to Brussels twice in the past 2 years. Once for vacation (and I strongly recommend Bruges and the beef stew over fries!) and last week to connect on my way to Geneva.
Please pardon my ignorance: While I LOVE all of the Neatherlands, why is BRU such a premium market? I do prefer transferring there vs mega airports like FRA or EWR, I’m curious if what drives the premium demand?
I must also admit...usually being such a whiner about the old UA Diamond seats, my old 772 - while a bit sterile design wise- was in flawless condition and spotlessly clean as was my 763 from GVA to EWR. Both are “premium destinations” - I cannot help but wonder when (what year & month) true Polaris will be a sure thing on these routes. I go to Geneva very often.

VC10er wrote:

While I LOVE all of the Neatherlands, why is BRU such a premium market? I.

Very nice that you love the Netherlands, but Brussels is in Belgium.

To answer your question, Brussels is the capital of the European Union, as well as NATO. Certainly contributory to the large premium demand.

Oops- you’re right, stupid American! I was up at 4am working, seeing double and could have typed Luxembourg! Lol. (Apologies)

Hmmm, excellent point about the EU and NATO! I guess I was curious if there are major industrial links (Parma perhaps as one) that couldn’t come to mind.
I do a lot of work for UNICEF (which makes my Netherlands blunder even more embarrassing) and AmfAR and together they do seem to fill a lot of seats to Geneva. - a whole other topic of how airline discounts to global non-profits work.

[quote="VC10er"]
Please pardon my ignorance: While I LOVE all of the Neatherlands, why is BRU such a premium market?

Brussels is very close to Luxembourg and luxembourg is what draws much of the premium demand. Luxembourg is in many ways the Delaware of Europe. It is a tiny country but has the most favorable laws for registering businesses. Because of this many companies are "legally domiciled" in Luxembourg.. I know that a lot of the litigation that occurs in Europe ends up in courts in Luxembourg. There are also many many banks in Lux that fly more under the radar than their bigger Swiss brothers. This is my interpretation of why the New York to BRU flights in particular have so much premium demand.

Think of why when Emirates first started with the new F class suites on the 777-300ER the first destination was DXB-BRU.

airzim wrote:

VC10er wrote:

While I LOVE all of the Neatherlands, why is BRU such a premium market? I.

Very nice that you love the Netherlands, but Brussels is in Belgium.

To answer your question, Brussels is the capital of the European Union, as well as NATO. Certainly contributory to the large premium demand.

In addition, SN has one of the strongest EU-Africa networks and most flights to Africa drive a premium due to a tight supply, lack of competition, and companies/NGOs willing to pay the cost.

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

No, one more. N660UA is still doing ORDLHR round trips. Must be only one mod line now, so waiting for 654 to exit.(?)

Ahh, so once they finish the PMUA 767 retrofit, do they start the retrofits on the PMCO 767?

The only pmCO 76s are the -400s and I don’t know the schedule on those. I’m guessing after 660 is done they will start on the three exHA that are currently stored at GYR. After that there are still 14 2-class pmUA 763s

77W
N2748U Delivery planned UA2704 PAESFO 20Nov (18th and last)

I meant the PMCO 2-class 767-300. Are these birds getting the new Polaris? or are they keeping the B/E Diamonds seats for a while? i know the 764 have no set schedule as of now.

xxcr wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

Ahh, so once they finish the PMUA 767 retrofit, do they start the retrofits on the PMCO 767?

The only pmCO 76s are the -400s and I don’t know the schedule on those. I’m guessing after 660 is done they will start on the three exHA that are currently stored at GYR. After that there are still 14 2-class pmUA 763s

77W
N2748U Delivery planned UA2704 PAESFO 20Nov (18th and last)

I meant the PMCO 2-class 767-300. Are these birds getting the new Polaris? or are they keeping the B/E Diamonds seats for a while? i know the 764 have no set schedule as of now.

pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.

78J
N17002 FCF flight CHSGSPCHS 21Nov. C2 was two weeks ago so maybe a C3 ? If not then delivery soon.

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

The only pmCO 76s are the -400s and I don’t know the schedule on those. I’m guessing after 660 is done they will start on the three exHA that are currently stored at GYR. After that there are still 14 2-class pmUA 763s

77W
N2748U Delivery planned UA2704 PAESFO 20Nov (18th and last)

I meant the PMCO 2-class 767-300. Are these birds getting the new Polaris? or are they keeping the B/E Diamonds seats for a while? i know the 764 have no set schedule as of now.

pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.

747d10 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

I meant the PMCO 2-class 767-300. Are these birds getting the new Polaris? or are they keeping the B/E Diamonds seats for a while? i know the 764 have no set schedule as of now.

pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.

All but the 7 oldest frames (to be retired) will get Polaris

codc10 wrote:

747d10 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.

All but the 7 oldest frames (to be retired) will get Polaris

That’s good news. So, minus the 7 to be retired, how many 763’s will there be in the end with true Polaris- and then everyone seems to believe the 764 will be fully refurbished too. That is still a good many 767s until United selects their replacement (797?)

VC10er wrote:

codc10 wrote:

747d10 wrote:

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.

All but the 7 oldest frames (to be retired) will get Polaris

That’s good news. So, minus the 7 to be retired, how many 763’s will there be in the end with true Polaris- and then everyone seems to believe the 764 will be fully refurbished too. That is still a good many 767s until United selects their replacement (797?)

If I’m counting correctly 31 763s, 16 764s total 47 when all the dust settles.

iahcsr wrote:

kaitakfan wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

Wonder if that is contingent on 654 leaving HKG...which is kinda iffy atm.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Looks like the second test hop got cancelled and hasn’t been rescheduled. Is that what you see?

Indeed so... I’m looking at FlightAware like everyone else. UA has internal programming that tracks this stuff in minute detail but I don’t need to use it myself and I’m usually too busy to go poking around in it when I’m at work.

The HKG ferry trip was put into SFO open time today with a DH to HNL to pick up the plane to take to HKG. 660 is off to LHR again and all the GYR planes are showing no info. Only thing I found was a 764 doing the flight number to HKG. So looks like 660 lives on for a few more days.

753:
N57857 exited MIA 2736/21Nov with slimlines and new F cabin and dTV removed
N75851 scheduled to exit MIA 2743/22Nov with slimlines and new F cabin and dTV removed
N75853 scheduled to enter MIA 2742/22Nov for slimlines and new F and dTV removal
N57862 entered MIA 2735/21Nov for slimlines and new F
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iahcsr wrote:

VC10er wrote:

codc10 wrote:

All but the 7 oldest frames (to be retired) will get Polaris

That’s good news. So, minus the 7 to be retired, how many 763’s will there be in the end with true Polaris- and then everyone seems to believe the 764 will be fully refurbished too. That is still a good many 767s until United selects their replacement (797?)

If I’m counting correctly 31 763s, 16 764s total 47 when all the dust settles.

Wow, 47! That actually is a fair degree higher a 767 fleet than I thought it would be. I am a 767 lover, so this makes me very happy- I assume 47 includes the ex-Hawaiian birds too?

VC10er wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

VC10er wrote:

That’s good news. So, minus the 7 to be retired, how many 763’s will there be in the end with true Polaris- and then everyone seems to believe the 764 will be fully refurbished too. That is still a good many 767s until United selects their replacement (797?)

If I’m counting correctly 31 763s, 16 764s total 47 when all the dust settles.

Wow, 47! That actually is a fair degree higher a 767 fleet than I thought it would be. I am a 767 lover, so this makes me very happy- I assume 47 includes the ex-Hawaiian birds too?

It does include the 3 ex HA 767s.

N666UA is going to be next into HKG. On its way from EWR via HNL this evening.

VC10er wrote:

(and I strongly recommend Bruges and the beef stew over fries!)

Bruges is a fantastic place!

73G:
N15712 sked to enter MIA 2754/25Nov, surely in for slimlines and domestic conversion from GUM

738:
N34282 exited MCO 2763/20Nov Domestic to GUM unit
N33294 entered GUM 2754/12NOv, GUM to Domestic conversion
N77295 exited MCO 1649/22Nov, GUM to Domestic conversion

763:
N654UA sked to exit HKG 2793/26Nov with Polaris
N666UA entered HKG 2795/23Nov, potential Polaris, currently 2 Class

772:
N775UA exited HKG maint 2799/24Nov
​​​​​​​N79001 entered HKG 2772/16Nov, assume just maint

calpsafltskeds wrote:

73G:
N15712 sked to enter MIA 2754/25Nov, surely in for slimlines and domestic conversion from GUM

738:
N34282 exited MCO 2763/20Nov Domestic to GUM unit
N33294 entered GUM 2754/12NOv, GUM to Domestic conversion
N77295 exited MCO 1649/22Nov, GUM to Domestic conversion

763:
N654UA sked to exit HKG 2793/26Nov with Polaris
N666UA entered HKG 2795/23Nov, potential Polaris, currently 2 Class

772:
N775UA exited HKG maint 2799/24Nov
​​​​​​​N79001 entered HKG 2772/16Nov, assume just maint

Do you know when N660UA is schedule to enter HKG for Polaris? If N666UA is at HKG for Polaris installation this would mean N660UA would continue to fly around as the lone 3 class cabin 763? Many people were hoping UA would at least update the 3 cabin 763s before starting on the 2 cabin 763s.

jayunited wrote:

Do you know when N660UA is schedule to enter HKG for Polaris? If N666UA is at HKG for Polaris installation this would mean N660UA would continue to fly around as the lone 3 class cabin 763? Many people were hoping UA would at least update the 3 cabin 763s before starting on the 2 cabin 763s.

There's nothing official yet but the 3 cabin 763 seat map is loaded into the system for ORD/LHR flights through 12/12 so presumably sometime shortly after that it will make its way to HKG. Always subject to change but its something to go off of.

I was thinking back- it really was a blunder to have announced and unveiled Polaris so early. While it seems like United really has got it moving now - the unexpected issues with the manufacturers of the new seat/cabin made things worse.
But they did have to realize that total refurbishments of their enormous fleet of WB’s was gonna take a quiet a long time to execute even very on, even under ideal circumstances. Maybe the partial updates to current Diamond seats was enough to help?
It’s a joy to read that another 7$7 has been refurbished and back revenue flying-
To think of all the rest of the 772’s, 767’s and 787’s that are still in the cue- wow, hurts my head to think about! Although I presume the total percentage will jump when the 787-10’s start being delivered, then the 9 new 789’s.
Does anyone think that the conversion could go even faster if UA (Kirby) was willing to throw a lot more money at the program? Or, is this what “fast as possible” just is?
Question: has any other airline near the SIZE of UA ever implemented such a large nose to tail major refurbishment? I cannot think of another airline with close to equal a WB fleet - other than perhaps Emerates (that doesn’t need to refurbish?

VC10er wrote:

Does anyone think that the conversion could go even faster if UA (Kirby) was willing to throw a lot more money at the program? Or, is this what “fast as possible” just is?
Question: has any other airline near the SIZE of UA ever implemented such a large nose to tail major refurbishment? I cannot think of another airline with close to equal a WB fleet - other than perhaps Emerates (that doesn’t need to refurbish?

pmUA IPTE took around 4-5 years to modify all 747/767/777. AA went from angled lie-flat on 757/767/772 to lie-flat and that took around 5 years. Even then, both pmUA and AA didn't do a full nose-to-tail refurb on all their aircraft (notably 767 Y).

VC10er wrote:

Question: has any other airline near the SIZE of UA ever implemented such a large nose to tail major refurbishment? I cannot think of another airline with close to equal a WB fleet - other than perhaps Emerates (that doesn’t need to refurbish?

I can't think of one that has done it quite the same. Some airlines like BA are happy to make incremental improvements and their latest J product is so similar to the previous one, that only frequent flyers would know the difference. AA and DL have both been much more comfortable with a fractured J product line up. I don't know if DL intends to make their A359 J seat standard or just on a few fleets, but they (and AA) were simultaneously installing completely different types of J seats on different planes, from staggered seats on their 767's to herringbones on their 777's.

It is more painful to get from start to finish with UA's approach, but they have a winning product, and when they're done, they will have one of the most consistent and predictable products flying...until the next generation of seats gets introduced and they start again. I still prefer UA's approach.

cosyr wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Question: has any other airline near the SIZE of UA ever implemented such a large nose to tail major refurbishment? I cannot think of another airline with close to equal a WB fleet - other than perhaps Emerates (that doesn’t need to refurbish?

I can't think of one that has done it quite the same. Some airlines like BA are happy to make incremental improvements and their latest J product is so similar to the previous one, that only frequent flyers would know the difference. AA and DL have both been much more comfortable with a fractured J product line up. I don't know if DL intends to make their A359 J seat standard or just on a few fleets, but they (and AA) were simultaneously installing completely different types of J seats on different planes, from staggered seats on their 767's to herringbones on their 777's.

It is more painful to get from start to finish with UA's approach, but they have a winning product, and when they're done, they will have one of the most consistent and predictable products flying...until the next generation of seats gets introduced and they start again. I still prefer UA's approach.

I agree with you wholeheartedly! I’ve been on the “nose to tail” 763 on UA and it really actually looks and feels and smells like a brand new aircraft. I recall ALL the incremental changes on UA over the past 28 years- and I think UA will ultimately lead the pack with the consitant, beautiful Polaris, PE, E+ and E WB refurbishments. It’s simply an enormous undertaking and “feels” like watching grass grow.
I also think it would be very smart to have just 2 different bed seats: the Polaris we see today (Eg; 77W) and something like Diamond on the single aisle 757 & 737M-10. In fact I personally think the Diamond seat would be fine on those narrow bodies- but I read here a whole NEW design is being developed...my hope is that they will be industry leading, and take design cues from Polaris- especially the brushed aluminum handles!
Also, once ALL the domestic 737s and A319/20’s look like the ex CZ A319, with the new interiors and domestic FIRST “chair” (which I personally LOVE) - yeah, UA days of a mixed up fleet with bad color combinations will be gone and replaced by something as consistent as LH has.

I also love the fact that all the WB’s old or new will have very large Polaris cabins. In some cases it looks like Polaris is half of the entire interior- making it much easier to get a seat last minute overseas, and hopefully upgrades, and provide UA with the premium brand positioning they are working hard for. (They just need to add more United Clubs at hubs that lost a lot of space to the Polaris Lounges.

I think what Pristman-Goode did for UA is some of the best work they have done (outside boutique airlines) - however as a design agency person myself, when something amazing happens (like a Polaris Lounge) UA gets more credit that the talent of the agency. Because in the end, you can present magnificent work to a client- but it’s the client’s decision to APPROVE it and cut the POs to make it happen. It’s VERY EASY for a client to kill that $150,000 light fixture in the entryway to save money. United is not cheaping out on Polaris (other than the greatly reduced aminity kits!)

I only wish is (and it will never happen) is to make regular Economy better. I don’t think it’s the folks up front doing the complaining.

VC10er wrote:

I was thinking back- it really was a blunder to have announced and unveiled Polaris so early. While it seems like United really has got it moving now - the unexpected issues with the manufacturers of the new seat/cabin made things worse.
But they did have to realize that total refurbishments of their enormous fleet of WB’s was gonna take a quiet a long time to execute even very on, even under ideal circumstances. Maybe the partial updates to current Diamond seats was enough to help?
It’s a joy to read that another 7$7 has been refurbished and back revenue flying-
To think of all the rest of the 772’s, 767’s and 787’s that are still in the cue- wow, hurts my head to think about! Although I presume the total percentage will jump when the 787-10’s start being delivered, then the 9 new 789’s.
Does anyone think that the conversion could go even faster if UA (Kirby) was willing to throw a lot more money at the program? Or, is this what “fast as possible” just is?
Question: has any other airline near the SIZE of UA ever implemented such a large nose to tail major refurbishment? I cannot think of another airline with close to equal a WB fleet - other than perhaps Emerates (that doesn’t need to refurbish?

I don't think it is a matter of throwing down more money to speed up the conversion. Unfortunately, the timing is mostly dictated by how many aircraft you can afford to have out of service in mod at any particular point in time. If they go too fast, they would have to reduce flying on certain routes, which would have consequences. I don't think speeding up the down time per aircraft is an option either as these are very extensive changes.

Another open pairing alert for 756 pilots is waiting to be released to dead head to tomorrow to ferry a 764 back from HKG this week. Looks like the flight is planned for the 28th. Any idea when the next 764 will head over for crew rest mod?

jayunited wrote:

Do you know when N660UA is schedule to enter HKG for Polaris? If N666UA is at HKG for Polaris installation this would mean N660UA would continue to fly around as the lone 3 class cabin 763? Many people were hoping UA would at least update the 3 cabin 763s before starting on the 2 cabin 763s.

I would have thought we'd see a exHA763 head over before the 2 cabin ones. Are the two cabin 763's going in for the high density mod?

Does anyone know how many of the HIGH PREMIUM 767’s there will be? I think the 3 ex Hawaiian are, but I wonder if any of the current 2 class 767’s will also get the High Premium layout?

(I happen to wonder a lot!) and another thought I had would be HIGH PREMIUM configurations for “some” of the 787-9 fleet. They have the range for high premium markets in Asia.

VC10er wrote:

Does anyone know how many of the HIGH PREMIUM 767’s there will be? I think the 3 ex Hawaiian are, but I wonder if any of the current 2 class 767’s will also get the High Premium layout?

(I happen to wonder a lot!) and another thought I had would be HIGH PREMIUM configurations for “some” of the 787-9 fleet. They have the range for high premium markets in Asia.

There will be 17 763s with the High J layout. The 14 2-cabin 763s not in polaris configuration plus the 3 ex HA ones.

78J
N14001 UA2764 DENEWR 26Nov, then EWRLAX is next on the list currently.
N17002 Just sitting waiting for someone to come and get it.
N12003 PreFlight prep
N12004 Supposedly this will be LN548 from the test program but that’s
N12005 Should be next in line for CHS FAL
N12006 DreamLifters busy delivering its bits and pieces.

CONTACREW wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Does anyone know how many of the HIGH PREMIUM 767’s there will be? I think the 3 ex Hawaiian are, but I wonder if any of the current 2 class 767’s will also get the High Premium layout?

(I happen to wonder a lot!) and another thought I had would be HIGH PREMIUM configurations for “some” of the 787-9 fleet. They have the range for high premium markets in Asia.

There will be 17 763s with the High J layout. The 14 2-cabin 763s not in polaris configuration plus the 3 ex HA ones.

Interesting: why are 14 not getting refurbished? PS?

VC10er wrote:

CONTACREW wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Does anyone know how many of the HIGH PREMIUM 767’s there will be? I think the 3 ex Hawaiian are, but I wonder if any of the current 2 class 767’s will also get the High Premium layout?

(I happen to wonder a lot!) and another thought I had would be HIGH PREMIUM configurations for “some” of the 787-9 fleet. They have the range for high premium markets in Asia.

There will be 17 763s with the High J layout. The 14 2-cabin 763s not in polaris configuration plus the 3 ex HA ones.

Interesting: why are 14 not getting refurbished? PS?

The 14 were already refurbished nose to tail and have the low J Polaris configuration.

United1 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

CONTACREW wrote:

There will be 17 763s with the High J layout. The 14 2-cabin 763s not in polaris configuration plus the 3 ex HA ones.

Interesting: why are 14 not getting refurbished? PS?

The 14 were already refurbished nose to tail and have the low J Polaris configuration.

OH! Misunderstood! Thanks
Wheeew! I wanted consistency after all these years!

VC10er wrote:

United1 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

Interesting: why are 14 not getting refurbished? PS?

The 14 were already refurbished nose to tail and have the low J Polaris configuration.

OH! Misunderstood! Thanks
Wheeew! I wanted consistency after all these years!

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

United1 wrote:

The 14 were already refurbished nose to tail and have the low J Polaris configuration.

OH! Misunderstood! Thanks
Wheeew! I wanted consistency after all these years!

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

United1 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

OH! Misunderstood! Thanks
Wheeew! I wanted consistency after all these years!

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.

iahcsr wrote:

United1 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.

That's a good point...I know the mods are trying to keep these threads going for a year (then start a new one) but maybe they should consider breaking the threads down a bit as no one is going to sift through 46 pages to find something. Not sure if breaking up a thread will make it easier to read through or simply fragment data even more but its a thought.

United1 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

VC10er wrote:

OH! Misunderstood! Thanks
Wheeew! I wanted consistency after all these years!

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

Fair. I don't want to be rude... maybe another poster might consider taking the laboring oar in drafting another comprehensive update like we used to have in previous iterations of this thread, only now taking into account the current mods (Polaris, 764 crew rest, 77W PE, etc.) rather than completed programs.

United1 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

United1 wrote:

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.

That's a good point...I know the mods are trying to keep these threads going for a year (then start a new one) but maybe they should consider breaking the threads down a bit as no one is going to sift through 46 pages to find something. Not sure if breaking up a thread will make it easier to read through or simply fragment data even more but its a thought.

This thread is a lot more active than it used to be, so for 2019, I was already planning to split this thread into two parts (first half/second half). Figuring out which threads needed to be rolled over more than once a year was always going to be a bit of an adjustment. Cutting this thread in half will hopefully make it more manageable.

atcsundevil wrote:

United1 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.

That's a good point...I know the mods are trying to keep these threads going for a year (then start a new one) but maybe they should consider breaking the threads down a bit as no one is going to sift through 46 pages to find something. Not sure if breaking up a thread will make it easier to read through or simply fragment data even more but its a thought.

This thread is a lot more active than it used to be, so for 2019, I was already planning to split this thread into two parts (first half/second half). Figuring out which threads needed to be rolled over more than once a year was always going to be a bit of an adjustment. Cutting this thread in half will hopefully make it more manageable.

I agree... as it is it will likely be 50 pages by year end.

United1 wrote:

codc10 wrote:

Is it just me, or has this question been asked and answered over and over and over?

No it's not just you but it took less effort, and seemed kinder, to simply answer the question than to ask why again.

It might just be me, but it seems like the question has been asked over and over again...by the same person.

atcsundevil wrote:

United1 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

Given there are now 46 pages on this thread, it’s obviously very easy for unfrequent readers to miss specific Q&As and other info. Nothing wrong in repeating things in this situation.

That's a good point...I know the mods are trying to keep these threads going for a year (then start a new one) but maybe they should consider breaking the threads down a bit as no one is going to sift through 46 pages to find something. Not sure if breaking up a thread will make it easier to read through or simply fragment data even more but its a thought.

This thread is a lot more active than it used to be, so for 2019, I was already planning to split this thread into two parts (first half/second half). Figuring out which threads needed to be rolled over more than once a year was always going to be a bit of an adjustment. Cutting this thread in half will hopefully make it more manageable.

Cutting threads into two doesn’t make things any more manageable from a user perspective. All it does is, instead of saying “that was answered on page 23 of this thread”, you tell them “that was answered in part 1” and then you have to post the link to part 1. Doesn’t make the info easier to find at all, if the info you want was from 4 or 5 months ago. If anything else, it makes it harder, especially if a user does have a rough idea of the time period when the info was posted, as they now have to find the older thread rather than just the right page.

The one thing that would probably help for threads like this would be a wiki-style header (or, at least an editable/updated post #1) that has the relevant info immediately available. That way, users wouldn’t have to browse through pages of “N12345 entered XYZ to get a new toilet seat installed” if all they’re looking for is an answer to “how many planes have (or are getting) Polaris?” Otherwise, you’ll still have people asking questions about stuff that has already been answered.

747d10 wrote:

iahcsr wrote:

xxcr wrote:

I meant the PMCO 2-class 767-300. Are these birds getting the new Polaris? or are they keeping the B/E Diamonds seats for a while? i know the 764 have no set schedule as of now.

pmCO had no 763s, only 762s and 764s. The 762s are long gone. The 763s are all pmUA.

I think xxcr is referring to the 21 767-322ERs that have non-Polaris lie flat seats.

Yes. I'm talking about the PMCO 763 with the B/E diamond seats. CO had the 762, 763 and the 764. I know the 762 are long gone. 764 has no set schedule for Polaris. So the current B/E diamond 763 are not getting the new Polaris seats?