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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:00 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
IAmGaroott wrote:
Some of those LUS A319/20/21s are getting on in years. Anyone have insight on when their leases are up or when they're due for D checks? I have to imagine they'll be on their way out sooner than later.


The oldest 319s in the AA fleet are 21 years old. I doubt any with be retired soon.

The oldest 320 is just shy of 22 years old.

The oldest 321 is short of 19 years.

AA is talking about big reductions in CAPEX to improve cash flow. That requires a cut in new frame deliveries. The 319/320/321s will be flown to economic end of life.


I think that the 320s will be gone before the 319s and 321s will. It's not just how old the oldest one of each type is, it's the average age of the fleet for each type that also matters. Look at the average fleet of the 320s, it's significantly higher than that of the 319s and that of the 321s is even lower. Because remember, the 319s and 321s include a more recent order placed by LAA earlier this decade, but the 320s all come from US , some of them were with HP previously. If AA and US had not merged, only the 319s and 321s dating from an order placed in the early 2010s would be in the fleet, no 320s would be in the fleet.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
IAmGaroott wrote:
Some of those LUS A319/20/21s are getting on in years. Anyone have insight on when their leases are up or when they're due for D checks? I have to imagine they'll be on their way out sooner than later.


The oldest 319s in the AA fleet are 21 years old. I doubt any with be retired soon.

The oldest 320 is just shy of 22 years old.

The oldest 321 is short of 19 years.

AA is talking about big reductions in CAPEX to improve cash flow. That requires a cut in new frame deliveries. The 319/320/321s will be flown to economic end of life.


I think the 738s from the late 90s, the A320s and the LUS319s will be around to mid decade 2020. I wonder if AA will scrounge around for used a/c like the A319s that came from Frontier?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:14 pm

B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:44 pm

A21N N407AN also appears to be scheduled for delivery tomorrow, XFW-PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9709

Tail number on FR24 is wrong, but aibfamilyflights has it listed as to be delivered tomorrow.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:06 pm

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N407AN also appears to be scheduled for delivery tomorrow, XFW-PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9709

Tail number on FR24 is wrong, but aibfamilyflights has it listed as to be delivered tomorrow.

Looks like A321s N405AN and N407AN are both en route from XFW to PIT for delivery, about an hour apart.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N405AN
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N407AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:09 pm

Here is a link to the AA fleet data page.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... rlines.htm
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:05 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Here is a link to the AA fleet data page.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... rlines.htm

Here’s another good one as well;
https://m.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:33 pm

"Two new A321neos arrive

American Airlines took delivery of two new Airbus A321neo aircraft Oct. 11. The aircraft, which have U.S. Registration Nos. N407AN and N405AN, are the seventh and eighth of 12 neos expected to be delivered this year and the seventh and eighth in the fleet overall."
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:47 pm

X Frontier A319 flew to CLT for Induction this weekend too N776XF. Are there 9 of these birds total?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N776XF
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:21 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
X Frontier A319 flew to CLT for Induction this weekend too N776XF. Are there 9 of these birds total?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N776XF


I believe it was 8 total ex-Frontier aircraft. N776XF is acft number 7, and I believe the final acft will be N775XF.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:32 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
I wonder if AA will scrounge around for used a/c like the A319s that came from Frontier?

Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s. The 319 is a very valuable commodity in the AA network and I could see them looking to pick up another 20.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:51 pm

alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:11 pm

Are they getting 319s from Alaska or that was just a rumor?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Are they getting 319s from Alaska or that was just a rumor?


AFAIK, the 319s don't have a set withdrawal date from the AS fleet yet so they haven't been placed with anyone.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:08 am

JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:24 am

gabep wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Complete speculation on my part but I'm guessing they're cheap to acquire (cheaper than buying A220s?), plus commonality as AA already flies the type. In addition LCC management can squeeze more seats in on a 319 compared to an A220. Last thing Doug would want is for his passengers to be comfortable.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:35 am

gabep wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Would not surprise me in the least if AA continued to go after 319s...

Most definitely.


Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Because AA already has like 120-130 319s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:46 am

9w748capt wrote:
Last thing Doug would want is for his passengers to be comfortable.


He is not Michael O'Leary.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:59 am

gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:25 am

alasizon wrote:
gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.


And once the E90s are gone, the 319 will be the only aircraft AA has in between the 76-seat CR9/E75 and the 150+ seat 320/738. UA has both 73Gs and 319s in that segment, and DL has 717s, 221s, 73Gs, and 319s.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:26 am

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN


How many more are retiring over the rest of this year and into the first half of 2020?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:32 am

FSDan wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N394AN ferried PHL-ROW this morning for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N394AN


How many more are retiring over the rest of this year and into the first half of 2020?


They are supposed to have 20 currently, and the last YE number I saw was 15. To meet that they would be retiring 5 move before YE2019.
I haven't seen AA projecting retirements within any year, but the trend seems to be to retire them after the busy summer season. Some of the retirements will probably depend on B787-8 deliveries in 2020.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:45 am

https://aeronauticsonline.com/american- ... eet-plans/

“ Another major development for the airline’s fleet is its retirement of aging Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. American Airlines has announced that its fleet of the smaller wide-body aircraft will be retired by the end of 2020, and will be replaced by the larger and modernized Boeing 787 Dreamliner and Airbus A330 aircraft. Currently, the 767 operates from several of the airline’s bases, including its larger New York – JFK and Miami hubs.”
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:35 am

alasizon wrote:
gabep wrote:
Why are the A319s so valuable to AA operations (besides the Max grounding)?

Thanks,

GCP


Within the network, the 319 is a key piece within the profitability of the PHX & MIA operations and also works well on all the long and thin markets that AA flies. On the DFW/CLT side, they've already been used to replace 76-seat flying on intra-region frequencies.

Likewise, for each 319 added, it's also adds 1.5 76-seat aircraft (its the right size that allows minimal yield dilution and each plane allows roughly 0.4 large RJs into the scope) and that is a plus for AA.


Just what I was looking for––insightful analysis.

Thank you,

GCP

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