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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:24 am

ExpatVet wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
1:20hr connection is zero drama in AMS in my experience. They have that dialed.

I believe MCT is actually as little as an hour.



That said, I have believed for years that the AMS flight should be shifted back 60-90 minutes.

Leave PDX at 3pm. Arrive AMS at 10am.
Leave AMS more like 11am, arrive pdx around 1pm

Klm has enough connecting flights where you don’t miss much, and it opens up more civilized connections from the rest of the continent.

(LIS-AMS is a 5am flight to make connection). ATH and IST and such are damn early too.

Just never quite sure why it wasn’t pushed back a little to open up a few more connections that people like yourself get nervous about.
Oh well.


The thing I find is that landing time is not the same as terminal time. So I might have an hour and twenty when the wheels hit dirt, but by the time we taxi in from Belgium (I mean the Polderbaan) it's sub one hour. And i'm still not off the plane yet. I play very conservative with my transits, only missed one flight in the last ten years.


Took the flight in April, we had to leave Dublin at 5:55am on a Sunday morning. Checked in at 4:30am, partied with dozens of newly found cousins & half siblings in the Malone family pub until then. I sure wish it left at 8-9am instead. After a short delay on the outbound to Dublin from PDX, we had only 45 minutes from wheels down, to wheels up from Delta to KLM City Hopper, a very smooth transit given the number of people making that early bank at AMS on a Sunday morning.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:25 am

^^^
haha, yeah, that is a long taxi.

That said, I play it a lot looser than you do, and I haven't missed a single connection in those same 10 years.
A couple tight ones over time when the old passport check thing wasn't those electronic gates. But, just never had a real issue at AMS even a single time.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:12 pm

RWA380 wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
1:20hr connection is zero drama in AMS in my experience. They have that dialed.

I believe MCT is actually as little as an hour.



That said, I have believed for years that the AMS flight should be shifted back 60-90 minutes.

Leave PDX at 3pm. Arrive AMS at 10am.
Leave AMS more like 11am, arrive pdx around 1pm

Klm has enough connecting flights where you don’t miss much, and it opens up more civilized connections from the rest of the continent.

(LIS-AMS is a 5am flight to make connection). ATH and IST and such are damn early too.

Just never quite sure why it wasn’t pushed back a little to open up a few more connections that people like yourself get nervous about.
Oh well.


The thing I find is that landing time is not the same as terminal time. So I might have an hour and twenty when the wheels hit dirt, but by the time we taxi in from Belgium (I mean the Polderbaan) it's sub one hour. And i'm still not off the plane yet. I play very conservative with my transits, only missed one flight in the last ten years.


Took the flight in April, we had to leave Dublin at 5:55am on a Sunday morning. Checked in at 4:30am, partied with dozens of newly found cousins & half siblings in the Malone family pub until then. I sure wish it left at 8-9am instead. After a short delay on the outbound to Dublin from PDX, we had only 45 minutes from wheels down, to wheels up from Delta to KLM City Hopper, a very smooth transit given the number of people making that early bank at AMS on a Sunday morning.


Very cool - will do that next time. I don't fly to PDX very often and so i don't have a sense of the rhythm. Friday flight for me, extra stopover via SEA on the way over, Detroit on the way back. (hey, it was cheaper too!)
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:14 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
haha, yeah, that is a long taxi.

That said, I play it a lot looser than you do, and I haven't missed a single connection in those same 10 years.
A couple tight ones over time when the old passport check thing wasn't those electronic gates. But, just never had a real issue at AMS even a single time.


Yeah, the flight I missed was my boss booking me a 50 minute layover in FRA. (yeah, ouch!) Would have made it too but they closed the ongoing flight's gate 5 minutes early. Lesson: Lufthansa don't wait, even if you're coming in on a Lufthansa flight. :p
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:14 pm

 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:39 pm

Quite the OAG update for today, June 30

AC PDX-YYZ AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 0.8>0[0.9]
AS DAL-PDX SEP 3>2[1.0] OCT 3>2[1.1]
AS MCO-PDX JAN 1.0>1.3[1.0] FEB 1.0>1.4[1.0] MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>1.3[1.0]
AS PDX-PSP JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[2] APR 2>3[2]
AS PDX-SAN JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[3]
F9 DEN-PDX NOV 0.9>1.4[1.5] DEC 0>0.8[1.2] JAN 0>0.8[1.3] FEB 0>0.8[1.1] MAR 0>0.3[1.0] (March is partial month)
F9 LAS-PDX NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.6[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]
UA IAH-PDX AUG 3>2[3]
WN BUR-PDX SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]
WN LAX-PDX SEP 2>1.7[3]
WN MDW-PDX SEP 2>1.5[2]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:47 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
Quite the OAG update for today, June 30

AC PDX-YYZ AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 0.8>0[0.9]
AS DAL-PDX SEP 3>2[1.0] OCT 3>2[1.1]
AS MCO-PDX JAN 1.0>1.3[1.0] FEB 1.0>1.4[1.0] MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>1.3[1.0]
AS PDX-PSP JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[2] APR 2>3[2]
AS PDX-SAN JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[3]
F9 DEN-PDX NOV 0.9>1.4[1.5] DEC 0>0.8[1.2] JAN 0>0.8[1.3] FEB 0>0.8[1.1] MAR 0>0.3[1.0] (March is partial month)
F9 LAS-PDX NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.6[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]
UA IAH-PDX AUG 3>2[3]
WN BUR-PDX SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0]
WN LAX-PDX SEP 2>1.7[3]
WN MDW-PDX SEP 2>1.5[2]


Thanks for the weekly update........It's great to see AS adding some frequencies on existing flights out of PDX........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:52 am

So, AC to YYZ ends up only being 2.5 months...even with their MAX issues, that is super short. Maybe the 319 was too much plane. AS going more than 1X daily to MCO, and adding an additional frequency to PSP and SAN is interesting.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:54 am

pdxav8r wrote:
So, AC to YYZ ends up only being 2.5 months...even with their MAX issues, that is super short. Maybe the 319 was too much plane. AS going more than 1X daily to MCO, and adding an additional frequency to PSP and SAN is interesting.


YYZ is more like 4 months
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:12 am

flyoregon wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
So, AC to YYZ ends up only being 2.5 months...even with their MAX issues, that is super short. Maybe the 319 was too much plane. AS going more than 1X daily to MCO, and adding an additional frequency to PSP and SAN is interesting.


YYZ is more like 4 months


Not good at all anyway. Per OAG thread they started late, and they are ending early.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:06 pm

lhpdx wrote:
Looks like Amazon has added an additional BWI-PDX daily routing for a combined total of 4......Nice seeing some other cargo tails beside UPS and FDX...


Also of note it appears Amazon added a morning MIA arrival. I've been watching these flights...consistently for a week now the new BWI and MIA arrivals have continued on as PDX-SCK (Stockton, CA) and PDX-ONT. I'm liking the increased cargo activity at PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

bigfoot0503 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Looks like Amazon has added an additional BWI-PDX daily routing for a combined total of 4......Nice seeing some other cargo tails beside UPS and FDX...


Also of note it appears Amazon added a morning MIA arrival. I've been watching these flights...consistently for a week now the new BWI and MIA arrivals have continued on as PDX-SCK (Stockton, CA) and PDX-ONT. I'm liking the increased cargo activity at PDX.


I'm liking it as well..I could see more flights scheduled thru PDX once the Salem fulfillment center opens in August.................
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:03 am

lhpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Looks like Amazon has added an additional BWI-PDX daily routing for a combined total of 4......Nice seeing some other cargo tails beside UPS and FDX...


Also of note it appears Amazon added a morning MIA arrival. I've been watching these flights...consistently for a week now the new BWI and MIA arrivals have continued on as PDX-SCK (Stockton, CA) and PDX-ONT. I'm liking the increased cargo activity at PDX.


I'm liking it as well..I could see more flights scheduled thru PDX once the Salem fulfillment center opens in August.................

I would say this is a bit of a result of FedEx Express ending their ties with Amazon. FDX cut a flight off both their AM and PM flights. The cut flights were from AFW in the morning and the early MEM in the afternoon. I've also been told volume from their bulk trailers dipped a fair bit as well. I know come September UPS is going to be adding a number of flights.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:30 am

WolfPDX wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:

Also of note it appears Amazon added a morning MIA arrival. I've been watching these flights...consistently for a week now the new BWI and MIA arrivals have continued on as PDX-SCK (Stockton, CA) and PDX-ONT. I'm liking the increased cargo activity at PDX.


I'm liking it as well..I could see more flights scheduled thru PDX once the Salem fulfillment center opens in August.................

I would say this is a bit of a result of FedEx Express ending their ties with Amazon. FDX cut a flight off both their AM and PM flights. The cut flights were from AFW in the morning and the early MEM in the afternoon. I've also been told volume from their bulk trailers dipped a fair bit as well. I know come September UPS is going to be adding a number of flights.


Do you have any information you could share regarding additional UPS flights? Are these frequency increases or new routes?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:17 am

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Do you have any information you could share regarding additional UPS flights? Are these frequency increases or new routes?


Last I was told for the PM bank of flights. That it is a mix of new flights and time adjustments to the point there is a very high chance of seven UPS aircraft being on the ground at the same time. The A300 that does the dfw-geg-pdx-ont loop will move to a 767 or 757 and the rest of the flights will be 767s and 757s.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:15 am

Construction update:

Open Dates: Concourse E – First day E Extension is open for operation, approx.
June 16, 2020
Concourse B – First day B Remodel is open for operation, approx.
March 1, 2021
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:22 am

OAG is quiet for Oregon this week:
DL NRT-PDX OCT 0.9>0.7[0.7]
UA OTH-SFO NOV 0.9>0.6[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.7[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.7[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.7[1.0]
    Ironically, I don't work for OO anymore, and I'm not in SLC anymore. PDX based, aviation enthusiast, non-aviation worker.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:43 am

Congrats to PDX being named best airport for the 7th straight time by Travel + Leisure Magazine! Looks like JD Power has them ranked 3rd this year. Can't win them all. I also like that in 2021 (or whenever it is completed), on the B concourse, an all day southern food restaurant called Screen Door will serve breakfast all day. Fried chicken and waffles at 7p wouldn't suck.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:58 pm

According to a recent posting on FlightGlobal.com..."Volaris plans more US flights after decade of transborder service".
"Chicago O'Hare, Phoenix, Portland (Oregon), San Antonio, San Jose (California) and Seattle are among the US cities where the airline plans to grow service..."

Indeed the statistics regarding Volaris flights at PDX speak as to the positive and sustained growth that Volaris has cultivated at Portland International Airport. Whether Volaris chooses to add more frequency to its' already successful PDX-GDL flight or fill the void left by the exit of AeroMexico and re-introduce PDX to Mexico City service...either way it would appear to be a win-win for the Port of Portland, Volaris and the passengers utilizing the service.

Link to full article:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sb-459676/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:19 pm

UnitedFlyer wrote:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fox26medford.com/medford-airport-sees-increased-foot-traffic-officials-consider-new-options/&ved=0ahUKEwjPvMH9nJLjAhXqwlQKHer1D0IQxfQBCCIwAQ&usg=AOvVaw01kMKxcq7zDXkB-uqnbOh6

Inteteresting MFR news
..


OMG, the airport director quote is just stupid. Tulsa? Close? LOL. No one is flying MFR-TUL.
If that is quality of management there, it is a joke.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:50 am

sprxUSA wrote:
UnitedFlyer wrote:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fox26medford.com/medford-airport-sees-increased-foot-traffic-officials-consider-new-options/&ved=0ahUKEwjPvMH9nJLjAhXqwlQKHer1D0IQxfQBCCIwAQ&usg=AOvVaw01kMKxcq7zDXkB-uqnbOh6

Inteteresting MFR news
..


OMG, the airport director quote is just stupid. Tulsa? Close? LOL. No one is flying MFR-TUL.
If that is quality of management there, it is a joke.



Agreed. TUL will never happen. Even BOI, RNO, and SJC are very long shots at best. Big reason we have any of these at PDX is some of the connections AS can offer over PDX to the pacific NW. Just service that is not easily duplicated with a major hub due to geography. SJC does have some local traffic at PDX on Southwest, and a bunch of us that are treated to a stop in California on our way to / from other places in the country.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:03 pm

midway7 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
UnitedFlyer wrote:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fox26medford.com/medford-airport-sees-increased-foot-traffic-officials-consider-new-options/&ved=0ahUKEwjPvMH9nJLjAhXqwlQKHer1D0IQxfQBCCIwAQ&usg=AOvVaw01kMKxcq7zDXkB-uqnbOh6

Inteteresting MFR news
..


OMG, the airport director quote is just stupid. Tulsa? Close? LOL. No one is flying MFR-TUL.
If that is quality of management there, it is a joke.



Agreed. TUL will never happen. Even BOI, RNO, and SJC are very long shots at best. Big reason we have any of these at PDX is some of the connections AS can offer over PDX to the pacific NW. Just service that is not easily duplicated with a major hub due to geography. SJC does have some local traffic at PDX on Southwest, and a bunch of us that are treated to a stop in California on our way to / from other places in the country.


I’d be willing to bet there’s a lot more local traffic at SJC, BOI, AND RNO than you think
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:51 pm

Even though AS hasn't yet taken delivery of any 737 MAX planes due to the 737 MAX groundings, AS is currently scheduled to take delivery of additional A320neo planes next year.

There are still some more nonstop routes that could be added out of PDX by AS such as PDX-CVG, PDX-CLE, PDX-CMH, PDX-FLL, PDX-IND, PDX-MKE, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY, PDX-OKC, PDX-PIT, PDX-RDU, PDX-TPA, and PDX-IAD.

Will AS add any new nonstop routes out of PDX in 2020, and if so, which nonstop routes is AS most likely to add out of PDX in 2020?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:41 pm

jplatts wrote:
Even though AS hasn't yet taken delivery of any 737 MAX planes due to the 737 MAX groundings, AS is currently scheduled to take delivery of additional A320neo planes next year.

There are still some more nonstop routes that could be added out of PDX by AS such as PDX-CVG, PDX-CLE, PDX-CMH, PDX-FLL, PDX-IND, PDX-MKE, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY, PDX-OKC, PDX-PIT, PDX-RDU, PDX-TPA, and PDX-IAD.

Will AS add any new nonstop routes out of PDX in 2020, and if so, which nonstop routes is AS most likely to add out of PDX in 2020?


Without any backing data, my hope would be for MSY, TPA, FLL, and IAD, but I could see SY adding MSY, TPA, and FLL before Alaska gets around to it.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:59 pm

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Without any backing data, my hope would be for MSY, TPA, FLL, and IAD, but I could see SY adding MSY, TPA, and FLL before Alaska gets around to it.


Here are the Q4 2018 PDEW's of some of the top domestic routes that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX:
PDX-IAD 122
PDX-BNA 116
PDX-MSY 106
PDX-TPA 91
PDX-FLL 88
PDX-IND 87
PDX-RDU 83
PDX-CLE 69
PDX-MKE 68
PDX-PIT 61
PDX-CMH 58
PDX-CVG 55
PDX-OKC 52 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)

I agree that AS adding nonstop service to MSY, TPA, FLL, and IAD from PDX might happen since these 4 destinations are top domestic destinations that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX.

There also might be enough demand for AS to operate PDX-OKC nonstop service on 76-seat E-175 regional jets, and PDX-OKC is within the range of E-175 regional jets whereas most of the other top domestic routes that AS doesn't serve nonstop from PDX require mainline aircraft.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:52 pm

jplatts wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Without any backing data, my hope would be for MSY, TPA, FLL, and IAD, but I could see SY adding MSY, TPA, and FLL before Alaska gets around to it.


Here are the Q4 2018 PDEW's of some of the top domestic routes that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX:
PDX-IAD 122
PDX-BNA 116
PDX-MSY 106
PDX-TPA 91
PDX-FLL 88
PDX-IND 87
PDX-RDU 83
PDX-CLE 69
PDX-MKE 68
PDX-PIT 61
PDX-CMH 58
PDX-CVG 55
PDX-OKC 52 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)

I agree that AS adding nonstop service to MSY, TPA, FLL, and IAD from PDX might happen since these 4 destinations are top domestic destinations that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX.

There also might be enough demand for AS to operate PDX-OKC nonstop service on 76-seat E-175 regional jets, and PDX-OKC is within the range of E-175 regional jets whereas most of the other top domestic routes that AS doesn't serve nonstop from PDX require mainline aircraft.


Wasn't MKE tried already on a seasonal basis?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:34 pm

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Wasn't MKE tried already on a seasonal basis?


AS did operate PDX-MKE nonstop service on a seasonal basis, but dropped PDX-MKE seasonal nonstop service last year.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:49 pm

jplatts wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Wasn't MKE tried already on a seasonal basis?


AS did operate PDX-MKE nonstop service on a seasonal basis, but dropped PDX-MKE seasonal nonstop service last year.


With that seasonal PDX-MKE service being discontinued...AS then added additional frequency on the PDX-ORD route.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:17 pm

What is the latest on a potential PDX-CDG nonstop?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:27 am

Any news on MFR-ORD on UA? EUG and RDM are now flying to ORD if memory serves..
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:03 am

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What is the latest on a potential PDX-CDG nonstop?



is the Port of portland trying to land a route to Paris? This is new to me........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:05 am

[quote="HP69"]What is the latest on a potential PDX-CDG nonstop?[/quote

Is this a route the Port of Portland presently seeking?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:23 am

HP69 wrote:
What is the latest on a potential PDX-CDG nonstop?


I have not seen nor heard any information other than what an occasional DL PDX employee offers up. If the route were to come to fruition the likely candidate(s) would be Delta or fellow SkyTeam partner Air France. Not sure if this route would be getting much discussion right now, that is to say that Delta seems pretty focused on maintaining and incrementally growing the PDX-LHR route. Something I found encouraging regarding the DL Portland to London non-stop is the aircraft up-gauge to the newly configured Delta B767-400 (enhanced Delta One offering).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:18 am

OAG for July 21: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1427523

G4 AZA-RDM MAR 0>0.3[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
G4 LAS-MFR FEB 0.1>0.3[0.3] MAR 0>0.4[0.3] APR 0>0.4[0.3]
UA PDX-SFO SEP 8>7[9]
WN LAX-PDX OCT 3>1.6[3]
WN MDW-PDX OCT 2.0>1.1[2]
WN PDX-PHX OCT 3>2[3]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:38 pm

bigfoot0503 wrote:

Something I found encouraging regarding the DL Portland to London nonstop is the aircraft up-gauge to the newly configured Delta B767-400 (enhanced Delta One offering).


The Delta app shows an A332 in 2020.


Meanwhile, American is continuing to operate PDX-CLT (AA 1929) routinely late.

16 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:29
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 9:03

17 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 00:38
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:00

21 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:21
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:55

Pathetic. Anyone needing to connect should avoid this flight like the plague.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:01 am

jbpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:

Something I found encouraging regarding the DL Portland to London nonstop is the aircraft up-gauge to the newly configured Delta B767-400 (enhanced Delta One offering).


The Delta app shows an A332 in 2020.


Meanwhile, American is continuing to operate PDX-CLT (AA 1929) routinely late.

16 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:29
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 9:03

17 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 00:38
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:00

21 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:21
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:55

Pathetic. Anyone needing to connect should avoid this flight like the plague.


According to the Delta media release last month (June), the upgraded B767-400 will begin PDX-London Heathrow in 2Q of 2020.

Article by get.com: "Other routes that will be operated using the refurbished Boeing 767-400 aircraft include those between New York-JFK and São Paulo; Detroit and London Heathrow; Minneapolis and London Heathrow; Portland and London Heathrow..."


Delta media release link:
https://news.delta.com/delta-rolls-out- ... th-america
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:06 am

jbpdx wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:

Something I found encouraging regarding the DL Portland to London nonstop is the aircraft up-gauge to the newly configured Delta B767-400 (enhanced Delta One offering).


The Delta app shows an A332 in 2020.


Meanwhile, American is continuing to operate PDX-CLT (AA 1929) routinely late.

16 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:29
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 9:03

17 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 00:38
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:00

21 July
Sched Dep 22:26
Actual 1:21
Sched Arr 6:19
Actual 8:55


Pathetic. Anyone needing to connect should avoid this flight like the plague.


Is it arriving into PDX late? Or encountering problems leaving PDX? Just curious.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:26 am

bigfoot0503 wrote:

According to the Delta media release last month (June), the upgraded B767-400 will begin PDX-London Heathrow in 2Q of 2020.

Article by get.com: "Other routes that will be operated using the refurbished Boeing 767-400 aircraft include those between New York-JFK and São Paulo; Detroit and London Heathrow; Minneapolis and London Heathrow; Portland and London Heathrow..."


Delta media release link:
https://news.delta.com/delta-rolls-out- ... th-america



Delta app and booking shows A332 into summer 2020.
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kunta67
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:40 am

I wonder if this is how they rotate the plane to HND. They RON the plane in PDX
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:43 am

Rdeggendorfer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

Meanwhile, American is continuing to operate PDX-CLT (AA 1929) routinely late.


Is it arriving into PDX late? Or encountering problems leaving PDX? Just curious.



Arriving into Portland late.
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CrisAA
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:55 am

jbpdx wrote:
Rdeggendorfer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

Meanwhile, American is continuing to operate PDX-CLT (AA 1929) routinely late.


Is it arriving into PDX late? Or encountering problems leaving PDX? Just curious.



Arriving into Portland late.


Aircraft arrives from PHL, which has been subject to frequent afternoon thunderstorms resulting in ground stops just about departure time of the inbound aircraft. Making the outbound from PDX late. So yeah you’re right it’s pathetic on AAs part. What a bunch of losers.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:43 am

Came into C19 tonight on AA from DFW (On the Reno Air retro too!) and realized how much C is going to quiet down once WN gets shifted over to the E extension. It will be interesting to see how the temporary A reshuffle for QX occurs. Obviously, it appears that the demolition and rebuild of Concourse A is going forward, but I wonder if just demolishing it and moving AAG regional operations into C permanently was ever considered.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:59 pm

Numbers are in from the UK for Delta’s first-ever full month of daily PDX-LHR:

June 2019
10,923/60=182
182/226=80.5% load factor

Not bad I guess considering all the European competition: 6x/week Icelandair PDX-KEF, 5x/week Condor PDX-FRA, as well as daily Delta PDX-AMS.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:33 am

^^^
Not as good as I would have expected for peak summer, but I guess it’s first year it’s daily.
Would like to see that at 90%+
Wish we knew if the front was full.

Next year is 764, so, they are going to need to sell more seats.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:44 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Not as good as I would have expected for peak summer, but I guess it’s first year it’s daily.
Would like to see that at 90%+
Wish we knew if the front was full.

Next year is 764, so, they are going to need to sell more seats.


Checking occasionally, Delta One and Comfort are usually full, plus all fares are high, ~$3,500 r/t coach. Delta still shows an A332 on this route next year, unless that changes after May 2020.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:53 am

It's also possible that the LHR-route may take (connecting) business from the other flights to Europe so we'll have to see if/how other routes are adversely affected. DL will certainly be monitoring any effects London has on their AMS flights.

If there's plenty of business for all routes to Europe, including adequate local traffic to AMS, KEF and FRA, then a new route to LON should do fine...

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:06 pm

PDX June report must be delayed because it includes end of fiscal year totals. The “seasonal” (~11-week) PDX-PHL and PDX-BWI flights end over the next couple of weeks. Still no movement on making them year round. Southwest cut back BWI this summer from daily to weekend-only. No announcements regarding any of the unserved or underserved routes.


Major airports/metros without nonstop service from/to Portland:

Fort Lauderdale
Miami
Tampa
New Orleans
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Indianapolis
Columbus
Pittsburgh
Raleigh

Seasonal only:

Philadelphia
Baltimore
Toronto
Nashville
San Antonio
Tucson
Omaha

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:09 pm

jbpdx wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Not as good as I would have expected for peak summer, but I guess it’s first year it’s daily.
Would like to see that at 90%+
Wish we knew if the front was full.

Next year is 764, so, they are going to need to sell more seats.


Checking occasionally, Delta One and Comfort are usually full, plus all fares are high, ~$3,500 r/t coach. Delta still shows an A332 on this route next year, unless that changes after May 2020.


$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:19 pm

TheLion wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Not as good as I would have expected for peak summer, but I guess it’s first year it’s daily.
Would like to see that at 90%+
Wish we knew if the front was full.

Next year is 764, so, they are going to need to sell more seats.


Checking occasionally, Delta One and Comfort are usually full, plus all fares are high, ~$3,500 r/t coach. Delta still shows an A332 on this route next year, unless that changes after May 2020.


$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion


Example (today from Delta app)
PDX-LHR
26 Aug/30 Aug
round trip

Coach $3,494
Comfort+ $3,833
Delta One $10,169
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:31 pm

TheLion wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^

$3.5k return for coach?! Who on earth pays that on a ten hour flight. Don’t you mean for Comfort or Delta One?

Cheers
The Lion


That's what we want to see actually. High fares, mostly full planes. That allows Delta to justify the service and expand it in the future.

$3500 r/t is steep, but, close in, only non-stop to London?
Probably worth saving $1500 to avoid a connection or longer route.

$10k for D1 is tough. I paid ~$5.2k for D1 PDX-NRT-TPE R/T earlier this week.
Double that is surely high, but GOOD for them if they are getting it! That's great news for PDX.

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