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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:24 am

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Louisville can often be more convenient, even as far north as Columbus and Bloomington.


Maybe Columbus, though I have serious doubts, but certainly not Bloomington. IND can be reached from Bloomington in roughly 45 minutes.

Perhaps the best route from Bloomington is: I-69 (north) > SR 39/Morton Street (west) > SR 67 (north) > Ameriplex Pkwy. (left) > I-70/airport access road ramp (right) > Weir Cook Memorial Dr. > Terminal.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:43 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/reports/06_JUNE-Airline-Activity-Report_FINAL.pdf?mtime=20190802121100

June ' 19 vs. '18 pax growth 0.0% (+212)
YOY growth +1.5%

Numbers appear to be slightly off with regards to Int'l passengers, so these numbers may change. For now it currently shows a -35.9% drop off in int'l passengers



Why is intl down so much?


No idea, don't even know if the number is accurate

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Based on all the obvious errors in this report, I wouldn't take anything from it. Sloppy work. Maybe they have some one new doing it.
It was up on the site for several days but you couldn't download til I contacted them to point that out.


Yeah... I saw that too, and that's the first time I have seen that happen.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:07 pm

Looks like we have an update on Contour, like last year Millington Memphis airport is bidding to get service to IND and CVG.

Seems like this go-round they have the support of FX and "several medical device companies" for IND flights
and "Kroger, International Paper, Kimberly Clark and Procter & Gamble" for CVG flights

Contour Airlines wrote a letter of support for this Grant application:

"We have discussed this project with multiple airlines. One has submitted a letter of support for the Grant application and is ready to begin Grant supported services within 90 days
of Grant award, DOT / Airport grant contract and Airport / carrier MRG agreement."
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0034

I have doubts that this will get awarded, but if it does it will make it easier for Contour to add STL/BNA as well
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:23 pm

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Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:25 pm

Does anyone have a sense of how much traffic the DCI Championship Week brings?
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:07 am

BerenErchamion wrote:
Does anyone have a sense of how much traffic the DCI Championship Week brings?


Not enough for any upguages, but it is usually noticeable in the terminal. Keep in mind a lot of the attendees arrive in buses, considering its hard/expensive for groups of sometimes 100+ to travel together and with equipment.

Big air travel events are Indy 500, NCAA Tourney Games, Gen Con, misc big conventions, and maybe FDIC/FFA Convention
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:44 am

Midwestindy wrote:
BerenErchamion wrote:
Does anyone have a sense of how much traffic the DCI Championship Week brings?


Not enough for any upguages, but it is usually noticeable in the terminal. Keep in mind a lot of the attendees arrive in buses, considering its hard/expensive for groups of sometimes 100+ to travel together and with equipment.

Oh, the corps do, absolutely--(though air travel might be feasible for some of the SoundSport groups).

I was thinking in terms of spectators.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:51 am

BerenErchamion wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
BerenErchamion wrote:
Does anyone have a sense of how much traffic the DCI Championship Week brings?


Not enough for any upguages, but it is usually noticeable in the terminal. Keep in mind a lot of the attendees arrive in buses, considering its hard/expensive for groups of sometimes 100+ to travel together and with equipment.

Oh, the corps do, absolutely--(though air travel might be feasible for some of the SoundSport groups).

I was thinking in terms of spectators.


I would guess around 5,000-10,000, arrive by air, based on Gen Con travel numbers.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:19 pm

AA rolled in a nice update for November, with about 35% of the daily flights being mainline:
IND-MIA gets a B738, IND-ORD gets 3xA319, 2x LAX is back from Nov 21-Dec 3, and IND-CLT fluctuates between 2-3x daily

AA should surpass WN in terms of seats for November once MAXs are scheduled out
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:23 pm

Will this be the 1st time MIA has had Mainline?

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Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:28 pm

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Will this be the 1st time MIA has had Mainline?

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I believe so, US Airways ran mainline in the 90s though, odd that they are going to the B738 right off the bat. They have been averaging 80% LF on the route for the past year or so, and yields have been about average as well.

Definitely didn't expect it
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:40 pm

BerenErchamion wrote:
Does anyone have a sense of how much traffic the DCI Championship Week brings?


Not that many.

A huge huge majority of the spectators will be local/regional.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AA rolled in a nice update for November, with about 35% of the daily flights being mainline:
IND-MIA gets a B738, IND-ORD gets 3xA319, 2x LAX is back from Nov 21-Dec 3, and IND-CLT fluctuates between 2-3x daily

AA should surpass WN in terms of seats for November once MAXs are scheduled out


FINALLY mainline on MIA.
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:03 pm

UA decreased their Oct schedule on IND-DEN/SFO, IND-DEN goes down to 2x daily, and IND-SFO goes down to 1x daily

Crazy that there will be more seats to SEA in October than the Bay Area and LA
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:53 pm

Any guesses what the destinations are?

I say CUN and SJU maybe resume AZA?Image

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Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:04 pm

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Any guesses what the destinations are?

I say CUN and SJU maybe resume AZA?Image

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Resuming AZA wouldn't be new nonstop in my opinion but I've seen it before with Frontier's dartboard.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:47 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
I say CUN and SJU maybe resume AZA?


CUN is currently served seasonal by Delta, so that would not be 'new'. There were talks of MEX at the beginning of the year though, and the photo on the left leads me to think that it COULD be MEX, but I have my doubts.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:09 am

It's Allegiant to Tucson and West Palm Beach. Their website shows those destinations added to IND.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:11 am

Interesting set of new routes:
During 2018 IND-TUS topped out at 39 PDEW during Q4. Highest its been was just below 58 PDEW right around '06-'07, so maybe G4 thinks they can tap into that with low-fares less than daily, and stimulate enough traffic. I would think that even with this in mind, there would have been more emphasis to add IND-SAN/ABQ/SJU/SAT before TUS though

IND-PBI makes more sense, adding IND-PBI now allows virtually any major tourist destination in FL to be within an hour (or an hour and a half) drive of one of their destinations from IND (with the obvious exception of Key West). I don't think it will cannibalize FLL, just like SRQ hasn't cannibalized PIE/TPA/PGD, and AirTran/NWA ran FLL/MIA/PBI simultaneously so it isn't unprecedented. Overtime, PDEW has leveled off mostly due to FLL, but I think G4 has a great shot at making this work.

I think they have officially tapped out Florida service from IND, so there is an opportunity to get more adventurous with new routes. Mexico, SJU, SAN, SAT, e.t.c all seem either likely or possible.

Depending on which routes remain seasonal on WN/G4, G4 should be close to passing WN in terms of destinations
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:39 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Interesting set of new routes:
I would think that even with this in mind, there would have been more emphasis to add IND-SAN/ABQ/SJU/SAT before TUS though.

Mexico, SJU, SAN, SAT, e.t.c all seem either likely or possible.

I sure wish someone would seriously serve SAN-IND! WN has been seen offering daily nonstop service for 2 months in the summer and even F9 has flown the route a few days a week for parts of the winter season when WN is nowhere in sight. That's it.

There's no question that summer supports nonstop service. But, according to DOT's Table 6 numbers for 2017/8, I don't think the numbers for the rest of the year are necessarily prohibitive either. Here are the latest I've examined and processed:

IND-SAN: Oct-Dec 2017: 147 PDEW
IND-SAN: Jan-Mar 2018: 143 PDEW
IND-SAN: Apr-Jun 2018: 182 PDEW
IND-SAN: Jul-Sep 2018: 166 PDEW

Since WN is not interested in serving the market year-round nor is F9 although generally I don't consider F9 'serving' a business market as being anywhere near adequate, my hope is that AS will jump into the route. With their large and growing presence in SAN, they are our go-to carrier for un- or under-served p-2-p markets.

However, I would be happy if DL would jump although I consider them to be a definite long-shot. With their single p-2p route out of SAN (LAS) I don't see their strategy here changing at all. (IND, RDU, TPA and BOS are all routes that I would love to see DL flying from SAN.) DL seems to have no interest in developing SAN as a focus city....

And G4 has a great deal of trouble making much of anything work in SAN and their service would be similar to F9's and would be nowhere adequate for a business-oriented market. If they are having success in IND then maybe they might try it anyway -- it would certainly be their longest route out of SAN.

Please someone, step up and give this market the service it needs and would support!

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Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:13 pm

I wish Alaska had more 737-700 to run an IND-SAN even IND-SJC. Hopefully they order the A220 for routes like those

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Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:26 am

SANFan wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Interesting set of new routes:
I would think that even with this in mind, there would have been more emphasis to add IND-SAN/ABQ/SJU/SAT before TUS though.

Mexico, SJU, SAN, SAT, e.t.c all seem either likely or possible.

I sure wish someone would seriously serve SAN-IND! WN has been seen offering daily nonstop service for 2 months in the summer and even F9 has flown the route a few days a week for parts of the winter season when WN is nowhere in sight. That's it.

There's no question that summer supports nonstop service. But, according to DOT's Table 6 numbers for 2017/8, I don't think the numbers for the rest of the year are necessarily prohibitive either. Here are the latest I've examined and processed:

IND-SAN: Oct-Dec 2017: 147 PDEW
IND-SAN: Jan-Mar 2018: 143 PDEW
IND-SAN: Apr-Jun 2018: 182 PDEW
IND-SAN: Jul-Sep 2018: 166 PDEW

Since WN is not interested in serving the market year-round nor is F9 although generally I don't consider F9 'serving' a business market as being anywhere near adequate, my hope is that AS will jump into the route. With their large and growing presence in SAN, they are our go-to carrier for un- or under-served p-2-p markets.

However, I would be happy if DL would jump although I consider them to be a definite long-shot. With their single p-2p route out of SAN (LAS) I don't see their strategy here changing at all. (IND, RDU, TPA and BOS are all routes that I would love to see DL flying from SAN.) DL seems to have no interest in developing SAN as a focus city....

And G4 has a great deal of trouble making much of anything work in SAN and their service would be similar to F9's and would be nowhere adequate for a business-oriented market. If they are having success in IND then maybe they might try it anyway -- it would certainly be their longest route out of SAN.

Please someone, step up and give this market the service it needs and would support!

bb


I have fairly high confidence that if service were to be added from Aug-May, we would see PDEW increase for Q1, Q3, and Q4.

I think if WN wanted to make it year-round they would have by now, considering it was announced late 2016/early 2017 IIRC. They are definitely not going to make it year-round anytime soon either with the MAX issues, which is unfortunate.

AS has been a no-show as of late, only adding 2 or 3 TCon routes per year. If they were to add it for next year, it would be in the next few weeks, but I am not confident in them adding anything.

G4 is probably the most likely, but they don't do too many TCon routes, and when they do it is usually 2-3 weekly which isn't adequate service

DL is definitely a long shot, but you never know I guess.

In terms of most likely of new service/expansion on IND-SAN:
1. G4
2. AS
3. WN
4. F9/NK
5. Moxy
6. DL
7. Misc

ibthebigd wrote:
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Would love to see IND-SJC, don't know how viable it would be, but I like the idea in theory. I think AS may be weary given they dropped IND-SFO
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:27 pm

https://www.ind.com/flights
Airport has removed PUJ from nonstop list

IND escaped the worst of the WN MAX schedule change. but:
M-F
-1 BOS (previously known)
-1 MDW
-1 OAK still unsure the status of this route
+1 BWI

Sat
+ 1 MCO
+1 FLL

Sun
+1 TPA
-1 DAL
+1 MCI
+1 PHX
-1 OAK

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Feb LF 2019
WN IND-CUN-90.2%; CUN-IND-91.1%
DL IND-CUN-93.0%; CUN-IND-90.6%
DL IND-CDG-55.9%; CDG-IND-55.6%
About expected for February

May LF 2019
AS IND-SEA-94.4%; SEA-IND-91.4%

G4 IND-LAS-94.2%; LAS-IND-88.5%

G4 IND-PIE-91.2%; PIE-IND-92.6%
G4 IND-PGD-90.5%; PGD-IND-93.7%
G4 IND-SRQ-89.5%; SRQ-IND-88.7%
G4 IND-SFB-89.1%; SFB-IND-87.8%
G4 IND-JAX-86.1%; JAX-IND-81.0%
G4 IND-AUS-83.4%; AUS-IND-88.9%
G4 IND-VPS-78.8%; VPS-IND-77.7%
G4 IND-CHS-78.7%; CHS-IND-76.3%
G4 IND-MYR-78.0%; MYR-IND-60.1%
G4 IND-SAV-76.1%; SAV-IND-75.2%
G4 IND-MSY-68.9%; MSY-IND-76.0%

AA IND-LAX-97.3%; LAX-IND-91.4%
AA IND-PHX-94.5%; PHX-IND-96.3%

AA IND-LGA-90.5%; LGA-IND-83.3% Envoy only
AA IND-JFK-89.7%; JFK-IND-84.8%
AA IND-CLT-88.6%; CLT-IND-88.5%
AA IND-DFW-87.3%; DFW-IND-89.0%
AA IND-DCA-86.3%; DCA-IND-81.7%
AA IND-MIA-85.8%; MIA-IND-87.8%
AA IND-PHL-80.3%; PHL-IND-75.5%
AA IND-ORD-79.9%; ORD-IND-80.4% AA mainline and Envoy only

DL IND-SEA-96.1%; SEA-IND-93.4%
DL IND-MSP-93.9%; MSP-IND-84.6%
DL IND-SLC-93.1%; SLC-IND-91.6%
DL IND-LAX-93.0%; LAX-IND-87.9%

DL IND-ATL-89.7%; ATL-IND-88.3%
DL IND-JFK-87.7%; JFK-IND-82.7%
DL IND-RDU-81.6%; RDU-IND-80.9%
DL IND-MCO-79.7%; MCO-IND-71.9%
DL IND-DTW-77.5%; DTW-IND-71.3%
DL IND-BOS-76.4% BOS-IND-75.3% WN increased to 2x daily

F9 IND-LAS-93.3%; LAS-IND-95.3%
F9 IND-MCO-92.8%; MCO-IND-85.9%
F9 IND-DEN-89.9%; DEN-IND-85.3%

WN IND-LAX-95.4%; LAX-IND-95.2%
WN IND-LAS-94.2%; LAS-IND-88.7%
WN IND-FLL-92.6%; FLL-IND-91.1%
WN IND-OAK-91.0%; OAK-IND-91.2%

WN IND-AUS-88.2%; AUS-IND-91.4%
WN IND-DAL-89.0%; DAL-IND-90.0%
WN IND-DEN-88.2%; DEN-IND-88.2%
WN IND-PHX-89.8%; PHX-IND-87.1%
WN IND-BWI-88.7%; BWI-IND-86.3%
WN IND-RSW-86.6%; RSW-IND-87.1%
WN IND-MCO-84.6%; MCO-IND-86.5%
WN IND-HOU-83.8%; HOU-IND-85.7%
WN IND-TPA-83.4%; TPA-IND-81.2%
WN IND-ATL-82.2%; ATL-IND-82.1%
WN IND-MDW-79.0%; MDW-IND-71.0%
WN IND-BOS-70.2%; BOS-IND-63.3%
WN IND-MCI-62.2%; MCI-IND-68.0%
WN IND-MSY-47.6%; MSY-IND-91.6%

NK IND-LAS-92.5%; LAS-IND-88.8%

NK IND-MCO-92.1%; MCO-IND-89.9%
NK IND-MYR-39.2%; MYR-IND-55.4% Ouch

UA IND-DEN-92.9%; DEN-IND-93.0%
UA IND-IAH-88.6%; IAH-IND-86.9%
UA IND-IAD-87.8%; IAD-IND-84.8%
UA IND-ORD-88.8%; ORD-IND-82.4% Air Wisconsin/Express Jet/Trans States Only
UA IND-EWR-87.0%; EWR-IND-82.1%
UA IND-SFO-84.4%; SFO-IND-77.2%

Very strong to the west coast, will be interested to see June LFs

I think IND may see DL upguage IND-SEA next summer. Only a hand full of routes to SEA on DL are on the A319, so it doesn't make much sense for them to route the A319 on IND-SEA during the summer given the high LFs
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.ind.com/flights
Airport has removed PUJ from nonstop list

IND escaped the worst of the WN MAX schedule change. but:
M-F
-1 BOS (previously known)
-1 MDW
-1 OAK still unsure the status of this route
+1 BWI

Sat
+ 1 MCO
+1 FLL

Sun
+1 TPA
-1 DAL
+1 MCI
+1 PHX
-1 OAK

-----------------------------------------------
Feb LF 2019
WN IND-CUN-90.2%; CUN-IND-91.1%
DL IND-CUN-93.0%; CUN-IND-90.6%
DL IND-CDG-55.9%; CDG-IND-55.6%
About expected for February

May LF 2019
AS IND-SEA-94.4%; SEA-IND-91.4%

G4 IND-LAS-94.2%; LAS-IND-88.5%

G4 IND-PIE-91.2%; PIE-IND-92.6%
G4 IND-PGD-90.5%; PGD-IND-93.7%
G4 IND-SRQ-89.5%; SRQ-IND-88.7%
G4 IND-SFB-89.1%; SFB-IND-87.8%
G4 IND-JAX-86.1%; JAX-IND-81.0%
G4 IND-AUS-83.4%; AUS-IND-88.9%
G4 IND-VPS-78.8%; VPS-IND-77.7%
G4 IND-CHS-78.7%; CHS-IND-76.3%
G4 IND-MYR-78.0%; MYR-IND-60.1%
G4 IND-SAV-76.1%; SAV-IND-75.2%
G4 IND-MSY-68.9%; MSY-IND-76.0%

AA IND-LAX-97.3%; LAX-IND-91.4%
AA IND-PHX-94.5%; PHX-IND-96.3%

AA IND-LGA-90.5%; LGA-IND-83.3% Envoy only
AA IND-JFK-89.7%; JFK-IND-84.8%
AA IND-CLT-88.6%; CLT-IND-88.5%
AA IND-DFW-87.3%; DFW-IND-89.0%
AA IND-DCA-86.3%; DCA-IND-81.7%
AA IND-MIA-85.8%; MIA-IND-87.8%
AA IND-PHL-80.3%; PHL-IND-75.5%
AA IND-ORD-79.9%; ORD-IND-80.4% AA mainline and Envoy only

DL IND-SEA-96.1%; SEA-IND-93.4%
DL IND-MSP-93.9%; MSP-IND-84.6%
DL IND-SLC-93.1%; SLC-IND-91.6%
DL IND-LAX-93.0%; LAX-IND-87.9%

DL IND-ATL-89.7%; ATL-IND-88.3%
DL IND-JFK-87.7%; JFK-IND-82.7%
DL IND-RDU-81.6%; RDU-IND-80.9%
DL IND-MCO-79.7%; MCO-IND-71.9%
DL IND-DTW-77.5%; DTW-IND-71.3%
DL IND-BOS-76.4% BOS-IND-75.3% WN increased to 2x daily

F9 IND-LAS-93.3%; LAS-IND-95.3%
F9 IND-MCO-92.8%; MCO-IND-85.9%
F9 IND-DEN-89.9%; DEN-IND-85.3%

WN IND-LAX-95.4%; LAX-IND-95.2%
WN IND-LAS-94.2%; LAS-IND-88.7%
WN IND-FLL-92.6%; FLL-IND-91.1%
WN IND-OAK-91.0%; OAK-IND-91.2%

WN IND-AUS-88.2%; AUS-IND-91.4%
WN IND-DAL-89.0%; DAL-IND-90.0%
WN IND-DEN-88.2%; DEN-IND-88.2%
WN IND-PHX-89.8%; PHX-IND-87.1%
WN IND-BWI-88.7%; BWI-IND-86.3%
WN IND-RSW-86.6%; RSW-IND-87.1%
WN IND-MCO-84.6%; MCO-IND-86.5%
WN IND-HOU-83.8%; HOU-IND-85.7%
WN IND-TPA-83.4%; TPA-IND-81.2%
WN IND-ATL-82.2%; ATL-IND-82.1%
WN IND-MDW-79.0%; MDW-IND-71.0%
WN IND-BOS-70.2%; BOS-IND-63.3%
WN IND-MCI-62.2%; MCI-IND-68.0%
WN IND-MSY-47.6%; MSY-IND-91.6%

NK IND-LAS-92.5%; LAS-IND-88.8%

NK IND-MCO-92.1%; MCO-IND-89.9%
NK IND-MYR-39.2%; MYR-IND-55.4% Ouch

UA IND-DEN-92.9%; DEN-IND-93.0%
UA IND-IAH-88.6%; IAH-IND-86.9%
UA IND-IAD-87.8%; IAD-IND-84.8%
UA IND-ORD-88.8%; ORD-IND-82.4% Air Wisconsin/Express Jet/Trans States Only
UA IND-EWR-87.0%; EWR-IND-82.1%
UA IND-SFO-84.4%; SFO-IND-77.2%

Very strong to the west coast, will be interested to see June LFs

I think IND may see DL upguage IND-SEA next summer. Only a hand full of routes to SEA on DL are on the A319, so it doesn't make much sense for them to route the A319 on IND-SEA during the summer given the high LFs


Allegiant sure is kicking Spirits butt on IND-MYR so far. Hopefully June is a little better for them.

EDIT: Also, they removed AZA off the routes list as well but its still listed on G4s and AZAs airport website. Weird. I'm sure we will know the status of OAK by the summer schedule release. I don't see why they can't run IND-OAK seasonally.
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:03 am

G4 has TUS and PBI service scheduled from November. Mostly 2x weekly but 3x each for a bit in late-Nov/early-Dec
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:07 pm

According to Wiki, FX is starting IND-LGG in September, haven't seen any verification of that anywhere else though

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0813171513
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:32 pm

I would like to know if the airport will ever build a Hotel on property

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:53 pm

Love how the airport gets the chance to build a beautiful, fantastic new terminal, one of the best, newest and brightest in the country.... and then puts a god damn parking garage right in front of it.

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:34 pm

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I would like to know if the airport will ever build a Hotel on property

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I believe a hotel adjacent to the garage is part of the master plan, but nothing else has been announced.
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:07 pm

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According to Wiki, FX is starting IND-LGG in September, haven't seen any verification of that anywhere else though

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0813171513
According to today's board meeting the Parking Garage Expansion is moving forward, 1,500 additional parking spaces with expected completion in 2022


lol, you heard it here first!

https://www.ibj.com/articles/indianapol ... ing-garage
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
According to Wiki, FX is starting IND-LGG in September, haven't seen any verification of that anywhere else though

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0813171513
According to today's board meeting the Parking Garage Expansion is moving forward, 1,500 additional parking spaces with expected completion in 2022


I heard it is a CGN-IND-LGG run. Arrival only FX routes dont show up on the wiki for some reason. Not 100 percent sure if that is correct. We'll find out Sept 3rd I suppose.
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Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:38 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
G4 has TUS and PBI service scheduled from November. Mostly 2x weekly but 3x each for a bit in late-Nov/early-Dec

Sorry missed that it was already announced up higher
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WN IND-MCI-62.2%; MCI-IND-68.0%

This seems to be in trouble, but amazed at how well SEA/LAX are doing (especially considering how DLs IND-SEA looked to be in trouble (from LF and past yields)
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Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:28 pm

UA never ceases to surprise: IND-DEN reduced to 2x daily for November now

United is hiring for General Manager-Airport Operations, so hopefully whoever they hire knows how to fix their crappy air service. My work actually gave me complimentary Premier status recently and I don't plan on using it
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On the DL side:
DL tentatively pushed IND-MSP to all mainline starting in April for 2020, rather than starting it in June like this summer. Plus, the B739s will finally start to come in on IND-ATL starting in the fall, which should boost DL numbers significantly.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if DL keeps a few frequencies of MD80s on IND-ATL up until they are fully phased out

On the p2p front: IND-CUN looks to be all B739 from Dec-End of Schedule(July), IND-RSW/MIA/MCO appear to be status quo

Still waiting to see what happens with IND-CDG also

SumChristianus wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WN IND-MCI-62.2%; MCI-IND-68.0%

This seems to be in trouble, but amazed at how well SEA/LAX are doing (especially considering how DLs IND-SEA looked to be in trouble (from LF and past yields)


The fact that IND-MCI has survived this long, and survived the recent MAX cuts is telling though. Probably is good for any WN loyalists left in IND, at least MCI opens up some WN stations that have been cut back from IND. I mean heck, IND-MCI has more flights on WN than IND to DAL, HOU, MDW, LAX, OAK, and the same number as PHX, FLL, and LAS based on the latest schedule extension

IND-SEA gets bad LFs in the slow season because AS/DL each run their IND-SEA at 6pm, if they ran it at different times they would probably get 75-80% LFs in the slow season. Heck if they ran it at different times in the summer they would probably hit a LF of 100%

May LFs were very high to the west coast, so June LFs will be the real test. We know yields were good, but I think June LFs could be higher, meaning there will be a could case for advocating for upguages or new service.
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Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:04 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
UA never ceases to surprise: IND-DEN reduced to 2x daily for November now

United is hiring for General Manager-Airport Operations, so hopefully whoever they hire knows how to fix their crappy air service. My work actually gave me complimentary Premier status recently and I don't plan on using it
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/United-A ... um=organic


I take it from your posts, you don't like UA very much. Curious, but what would it take for you to use them more?
 
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Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:10 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
UA never ceases to surprise: IND-DEN reduced to 2x daily for November now

United is hiring for General Manager-Airport Operations, so hopefully whoever they hire knows how to fix their crappy air service. My work actually gave me complimentary Premier status recently and I don't plan on using it
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/United-A ... um=organic


I take it from your posts, you don't like UA very much. Curious, but what would it take for you to use them more?


Below is my US travel for this year:
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I don't live in one of their hubs, or travel to any of their hubs frequently(other than ORD) outside than an occasional flight to SFO/EWR this year, so it doesn't make sense to use UA frequently

If they make some of these changes it will be easier to make the switch
1. More mainline service through outstations
1a. Less 50 seaters (and even Rjs) through mid sized-large airports
2. Customer Service improvements
3. More lounges
4. Improve service to LAX & Florida

However, most of these can't be changed, so in all likelihood I probably won't use them much for the forseeable future, unless company policy insists on it
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AA IND-LAX DEC 1.1>1.5[1.7] JAN 1.0>1.2[0.9]

The morning LAX flight on AA is back for the Christmas season. Runs every day from 12-19 to 01-07 (including Christmas day, oddly enough) in addition to the evening departure.
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:17 pm

Spirits MCO-IND, IND-MCO, IND-LAS, and LAS-IND are all canceled today. (IND-MCO is tomorrow morning)

Their IND-MYR is still scheduled to come in delayed.
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:54 am

Yes, MidwestIndy, I'm interested in hearing what happens with IND-CDG and I'm guessing we'll find that out relatively soon. The route was announced almost two years ago, and while we don't know how this off-peak season will go, they should have good enough data to make a call based on the so-called high season. That said, my wife flew IND-CDG last Saturday and she had her pick of row--it was perhaps 50% full. Here's hoping the numbers in the belly and up top will keep it in the air beyond May 2020.
 
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Yes, MidwestIndy, I'm interested in hearing what happens with IND-CDG and I'm guessing we'll find that out relatively soon. The route was announced almost two years ago, and while we don't know how this off-peak season will go, they should have good enough data to make a call based on the so-called high season. That said, my wife flew IND-CDG last Saturday and she had her pick of row--it was perhaps 50% full. Here's hoping the numbers in the belly and up top will keep it in the air beyond May 2020.


Is there really a danger of it being cut? I could see it becoming seasonal, but not outright cut.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:01 am

BNAMealer wrote:
indygs wrote:
Yes, MidwestIndy, I'm interested in hearing what happens with IND-CDG and I'm guessing we'll find that out relatively soon. The route was announced almost two years ago, and while we don't know how this off-peak season will go, they should have good enough data to make a call based on the so-called high season. That said, my wife flew IND-CDG last Saturday and she had her pick of row--it was perhaps 50% full. Here's hoping the numbers in the belly and up top will keep it in the air beyond May 2020.


Is there really a danger of it being cut? I could see it becoming seasonal, but not outright cut.


It's end of the season for USA-Europe stuff ... not unexpected if she was going IND-CDG. Now if she was travelling the other direction, different story
 
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[Is there really a danger of it being cut? I could see it becoming seasonal, but not outright cut.


I doubt it would be scrapped entirely, but who knows?
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:50 pm

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enilria wrote:
AA IND-LAX DEC 1.1>1.5[1.7] JAN 1.0>1.2[0.9]

The morning LAX flight on AA is back for the Christmas season. Runs every day from 12-19 to 01-07 (including Christmas day, oddly enough) in addition to the evening departure.


I also see it from Nov 21 - Dec 3, I wonder if this is in anticipation for WN cutbacks. Good news though either way, this will help IND-West Coast connectivity

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Yes, MidwestIndy, I'm interested in hearing what happens with IND-CDG and I'm guessing we'll find that out relatively soon. The route was announced almost two years ago, and while we don't know how this off-peak season will go, they should have good enough data to make a call based on the so-called high season. That said, my wife flew IND-CDG last Saturday and she had her pick of row--it was perhaps 50% full. Here's hoping the numbers in the belly and up top will keep it in the air beyond May 2020.


Is there really a danger of it being cut? I could see it becoming seasonal, but not outright cut.


There is still a chance that DL may cut IND-CDG for Jan-Mar, according to their contract:

https://secure.in.gov/apps/iedc/transpa ... 5056b34823
"Notwithstanding anything in this Agreement to the contrary, if Delta’s Revenue is less than
the Year One Winter Minimum Revenue Threshold, then Delta shall have the right to notify the
IEDC, in writing, that it plans to not operate Scheduled Flights between January 1, 2020 through
and including March 31, 2020; provided, Delta provides the IEDC such notice by no later than
October 30, 2019"

I really really don't see it happening, but you never know. The future of the route should come to light in the next month or two considering they probably won't wait up until October 30th, although they have said that the flight is very meaningful to many of their customers so I expect it to stay in place year-round.

I'm flying an IND-CDG leg next week, currently the DL app is showing a LF of 66% and 21/26 seats filled in Delta One, which is pretty decent for late August
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:11 pm

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I'm flying an IND-CDG leg next week, currently the DL app is showing a LF of 66% and 21/26 seats filled in Delta One, which is pretty decent for late August


I'm also flying IND-CDG next week. Unfortunately for me flying in economy, the flight is pretty full. Only 43 open seats and all seats filled in Delta One.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:01 pm

IndyHoosier wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
I'm flying an IND-CDG leg next week, currently the DL app is showing a LF of 66% and 21/26 seats filled in Delta One, which is pretty decent for late August


I'm also flying IND-CDG next week. Unfortunately for me flying in economy, the flight is pretty full. Only 43 open seats and all seats filled in Delta One.


Important to remember that lots of economy are basic fares without seat assignments so if you are seeing only 43 open seats odds are most of those will go out full on day of departure.
 
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:24 pm

Just noticed the IND budget for 2019:
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0708115841

-Airline revenues are planned to decrease $1.4 million (2.8%) attributable to a projected decrease in terminal rental rates ($77.95 vs $92.78) and a decrease in landing fee rates ($1.71 vs $1.85)

-Parking revenues are planned to increase $6.5 million (13.2%) based on actual yield trends and the increase in passengers, a $2.00 rate increase for the garage and valet, and a change in the valet operation to report gross revenues rather than net in prior years.

-Passenger Facility Charges are planned to increase $0.5 million (3.0%) based on the planned increase in passenger numbers

-$6.3 million for Parking Garage Expansion, and another $5 million for the Cargo Building Expansion

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"Travel demand at IND has been strong in recent years, with enplanements increasing 27% in total - representing a CAGR of 6.2% - over the five years from 2014 to 2018."

"While enplanements have increased 1.3% in the first half of 2019, growth is expected to moderate over the next 6-12 months, attributable in part to the grounding of the Boeing 737 MAX."
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:01 pm

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Love how the airport gets the chance to build a beautiful, fantastic new terminal, one of the best, newest and brightest in the country.... and then puts a god damn parking garage right in front of it.

Slow. golf. clap. on. that. one.

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Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:16 pm

WN loaded the max changes for November, and I didn't think this would happen, but surprisingly it looks like they are adding close to 900 seats from the original extension including 6 extra flights.

Based on weekdays:
ATL -1 (+1 B738)
BWI +1 (+2 B738)
DAL +1
DEN (-1 B738)
FLL (+1 B738)
RSW +2
LAS +1 (-1 B738)
MCO (-1 B738)
PHX (-1 B738)
TPA +2 (+1 B738)

Net change per weekday:
+6 flights
+1 B738

Still looks to be a slight yoy Nov decrease, but it is much better than what the earlier schedule looked like.

All the increases except for BWI/DAL, seem to be direct shots at NK. Two extra daily flights to TPA/RSW exactly when NK is starting IND-RSW/TPA doesn't seem like a coincidence, LAS is also a new NK route
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:34 pm

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GSOtoIND wrote:
enilria wrote:
AA IND-LAX DEC 1.1>1.5[1.7] JAN 1.0>1.2[0.9]

The morning LAX flight on AA is back for the Christmas season. Runs every day from 12-19 to 01-07 (including Christmas day, oddly enough) in addition to the evening departure.


I also see it from Nov 21 - Dec 3, I wonder if this is in anticipation for WN cutbacks. Good news though either way, this will help IND-West Coast connectivity



Looks like it comes back fully 2x daily starting March 5th
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:59 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
The morning LAX flight on AA is back for the Christmas season. Runs every day from 12-19 to 01-07 (including Christmas day, oddly enough) in addition to the evening departure.


I also see it from Nov 21 - Dec 3, I wonder if this is in anticipation for WN cutbacks. Good news though either way, this will help IND-West Coast connectivity



Looks like it comes back fully 2x daily starting March 5th

Isn't American's schedule just a placeholder that far out? I'm not sure we need two red-eyes from LAX every day on a permanent basis.
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:21 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I also see it from Nov 21 - Dec 3, I wonder if this is in anticipation for WN cutbacks. Good news though either way, this will help IND-West Coast connectivity



Looks like it comes back fully 2x daily starting March 5th

Isn't American's schedule just a placeholder that far out? I'm not sure we need two red-eyes from LAX every day on a permanent basis.


March-December there is enough demand for 4 daily flights. It's around 400 PDEW not including onward connections which are sizable in LAX on WN/AA/DL. Last March with AA 2x daily & WN/DL 1x daily, all airlines were over 90% LF while outperforming the other west coast routes from IND yield wise.

Doesn't make sense to have 4 daily flights in JAN/FEB/SEP, but for the most part IND-LAX is one of the Top 3-5 largest routes O&D wise from IND most of the year.

I'll also add IND-SFO warrants more than 1x flight


EDIT:
Interesting development IND-OAK was loaded back for November :stirthepot:
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