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WN732
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:03 pm

jplatts wrote:
KAUSavgeek wrote:
for DL, SJC, PDX, LGA, and TPA (apparently). I would wait a while though...


WN adding Saturday-only AUS-LGA nonstop service is a possibility since the LGA perimeter rule allows Saturday-only nonstop flights out of LGA to beyond-perimeter domestic destinations. WN might be able to make Saturday-only AUS-LGA nonstop service work due to WN no longer serving EWR.



They do SAT-LGA Saturday only, so we could possibly see AUS-LGA Saturday only service. WN needs more jets which is their most pressing matter.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:14 pm

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tphuang wrote:
DCA is not possible, it's beyond perimeter. MCO is a bloodbath right now. It'd be a disaster.


In that regard, any addition would be a disaster since there is hardly a city left in the US that doesn't have nonstop service from Austin. Worse, many of our nonstops are covered by more than 1 carrier. If you want to have a sizeable focus city, then you need to prepare to fight for it. Demand from Austin is only going to increase from here.


Here are the Q2 2019 PDEW's top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from AUS:
AUS-LGA - 132 (AUS is outside of LGA perimeter, Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA possible out of AUS)
AUS-SNA - 130 (WN dropped AUS-SNA nonstop service due to WN losing slots at SNA)
AUS-PIT - 123 (G4 operates seasonal, less-than-daily nonstop service to PIT from AUS)
AUS-CLE - 106
AUS-CMH - 91
AUS-MKE - 82
AUS-BDL - 72

WN adding nonstop service to CLE, CMH, and PIT out of AUS is a possibility as CLE, CMH, and PIT are three of the top destinations that currently don't have daily nonstop service out of AUS.

Even though both G4 and WN currently operate less-than-daily seasonal nonstop service to IND from AUS, WN increasing AUS-IND nonstop service to daily nonstop service is also a possibility with AUS-IND being one of the top routes without daily nonstop service out of AUS.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:12 pm

If they removed the perimeter rule at LGA DL would jump on that route. DL should also add both IND and PIT.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:22 pm

KAUSavgeek wrote:
And upgrading all current mainline flights to a A321


This got me curious, so a quick search of the ATL-AUS flights today (8 in all) are all set to be 321 flights. Of the 4 DTW-AUS flights, 3 are 320s and one a 319. And from SLC, 2 319s and a 320. Just 3 or 4 years ago it'd have been (from rough memory) 5 MD-88s, 1 738 and 1 752; 2 CR9s; and 2 CR7/9s respectively. Living in AUS for the last 12.5 years it's been amazing to watch this shift.

Now, to your 321 comment...heck, let's just take it up a notch and upgauge them all to 753s or greater! :hyper:
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:13 pm

Western727 wrote:
KAUSavgeek wrote:
And upgrading all current mainline flights to a A321


This got me curious, so a quick search of the ATL-AUS flights today (8 in all) are all set to be 321 flights. Of the 4 DTW-AUS flights, 3 are 320s and one a 319. And from SLC, 2 319s and a 320. Just 3 or 4 years ago it'd have been (from rough memory) 5 MD-88s, 1 738 and 1 752; 2 CR9s; and 2 CR7/9s respectively. Living in AUS for the last 12.5 years it's been amazing to watch this shift.

Now, to your 321 comment...heck, let's just take it up a notch and upgauge them all to 753s or greater! :hyper:



Would be cool to see a 752(or 3) back here!
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:14 pm

AA to fly AUS-BOS/SJC/SJD! 738's twice a day
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:16 pm

KAUSavgeek wrote:
AA to fly AUS-BOS/SJC/SJD! 738's twice a day


BOS and SJC run twice a day everyday except Sunday.

SJD is Saturday/Sunday only, one flight each day.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm

We'll see how serious DL is about their "focus" at AUS.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:58 pm

Given the AA adds of SJC and BOS, I can see DL answering with SLC to grow their market share. http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:21 pm

Perhaps they will resume AUS/SEA service catering to the tech community and going head to head with DL and ASA. Something forced AA to reenter the P2P game.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:07 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
Perhaps they will resume AUS/SEA service catering to the tech community and going head to head with DL and ASA. Something forced AA to reenter the P2P game.


Even though WN dropped AUS-SEA nonstop service almost 2 years ago, WN re-adding AUS-SEA nonstop service is a possibility since
(a) SEA is one of the top destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from AUS,
(b) SEA is a top business destination for AUS-based technology companies,
(c) WN now has more gate space at AUS than it did when it dropped SEA-AUS nonstop service,
and
(d) WN was able to fill AUS-SEA nonstop flights back in 2017 as WN had an average load factor of 86.06% on AUS-SEA in 2017.

WN re-adding AUS-SEA nonstop service would also allow WN to defend market share against DL and AA in the AUS market.

I agree that AA adding AUS-SEA nonstop service is also a possibility since
(a) AA would be able to capture some of the AUS to SEA tech traffic by adding AUS-SEA nonstop service,
(b) AA would be able to offer connections onto AS, CX, and JL flights at SEA (and vice versa) if it adds AUS-SEA nonstop service,
and
(c) AA would be able to capture some of the AA FF's in the AUS market who would otherwise be flying to SEA on AS or DL if it adds AUS-SEA nonstop service.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:11 pm

jplatts wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
Perhaps they will resume AUS/SEA service catering to the tech community and going head to head with DL and ASA. Something forced AA to reenter the P2P game.


Even though WN dropped AUS-SEA nonstop service almost 2 years ago, WN re-adding AUS-SEA nonstop service is a possibility since
(a) SEA is one of the top destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from AUS,
(b) SEA is a top business destination for AUS-based technology companies,
(c) WN now has more gate space at AUS than it did when it dropped SEA-AUS nonstop service,
and
(d) WN was able to fill AUS-SEA nonstop flights back in 2017 as WN had an average load factor of 86.06% on AUS-SEA in 2017.

WN re-adding AUS-SEA nonstop service would also allow WN to defend market share against DL and AA in the AUS market.

I agree that AA adding AUS-SEA nonstop service is also a possibility since
(a) AA would be able to capture some of the AUS to SEA tech traffic by adding AUS-SEA nonstop service,
(b) AA would be able to offer connections onto AS, CX, and JL flights at SEA (and vice versa) if it adds AUS-SEA nonstop service,
and
(c) AA would be able to capture some of the AA FF's in the AUS market who would otherwise be flying to SEA on AS or DL if it adds AUS-SEA nonstop service.


86.06 LF on WN in 2017 for AUS-SEA is good to know. Being a SEA native living in AUS my family was bummed at the nonstop cut. At the same time, SEA is bursting at the seams, as many of us know, thanks in large part to DL...so I wonder about gate availability for WN.

EDIT: clarity.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:41 am

Well, this is great news for me. Now all I need is AUS-DCA and my travel patterns are 100% covered.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:40 am

KD5MDK wrote:
Well, this is great news for me. Now all I need is AUS-DCA and my travel patterns are 100% covered.


AUS is outside of the DCA perimeter, and AA cannot serve AUS nonstop from DCA without a beyond-perimeter slot exemption. In addition, AA already uses all 6 of its beyond-perimeter slot exemption pairs at DCA on DCA-PHX, DCA-LAX, and DCA-LAS (the first two being hub-to-hub AA nonstop routes).
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:21 am

Western727 wrote:
86.06 LF on WN in 2017 for AUS-SEA is good to know. Being a SEA native living in AUS my family was bummed at the nonstop cut. At the same time, SEA is bursting at the seams, as many of us know, thanks in large part to DL...so I wonder about gate availability for WN.


While WN will not be completely maxed out at SEA in Winter 2020 and Spring 2020 due to WN reducing SEA-DAL to seasonal nonstop service and other seasonal service reductions, WN will likely either be maxed out or be close to being maxed out at SEA in Summer 2020 due to (a) increased frequencies to MDW out of SEA, (b) resumption of seasonal nonstop routes out of SEA, and (c) WN only operating out of 4 gates at SEA.

I can understand WN dropping SEA-AUS nonstop service almost 2 years ago due to (a) WN being maxed out at AUS at the time that WN dropped SEA-AUS nonstop service, (b) WN facing a plane shortage in Fall 2017 and Winter 2018 due to the retirement of its 737-300's, and (c) WN increasing frequencies on other nonstop routes out of AUS in Winter 2018.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:26 am

jplatts wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
Well, this is great news for me. Now all I need is AUS-DCA and my travel patterns are 100% covered.


AUS is outside of the DCA perimeter, and AA cannot serve AUS nonstop from DCA without a beyond-perimeter slot exemption. In addition, AA already uses all 6 of its beyond-perimeter slot exemption pairs at DCA on DCA-PHX, DCA-LAX, and DCA-LAS (the first two being hub-to-hub AA nonstop routes).


That's rough. AUS is barely excluded by the rule, right? It cuts off at around DFW/IAH?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:55 am

Ishrion wrote:
jplatts wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
Well, this is great news for me. Now all I need is AUS-DCA and my travel patterns are 100% covered.


AUS is outside of the DCA perimeter, and AA cannot serve AUS nonstop from DCA without a beyond-perimeter slot exemption. In addition, AA already uses all 6 of its beyond-perimeter slot exemption pairs at DCA on DCA-PHX, DCA-LAX, and DCA-LAS (the first two being hub-to-hub AA nonstop routes).


That's rough. AUS is barely excluded by the rule, right? It cuts off at around DFW/IAH?


The DCA perimeter cutoff is located near Waco, TX as DCA-ACT is 1,243 mi, which is barely inside of the DCA perimeter.

HOU is the furthest commercial airport within the DCA perimeter that has nonstop service to DCA.

There are a few commercial airports within the DCA perimeter that are further from DCA than HOU is such as LAW (Lawton, OK), ACT (Waco, TX), and SPS (Wichita Falls, TX).

Here are the distances of the longest within-DCA perimeter nonstop routes:
DCA-OKC - 1158 mi
DCA-DAL - 1184 mi
DCA-DFW - 1192 mi
DCA-IAH - 1208 mi
DCA-HOU - 1218 mi
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:12 am

I would accept AUS-ACT-DCA or AUS-HOU-DCA one-stop direct flights. :p
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:06 pm

jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
jplatts wrote:

AUS is outside of the DCA perimeter, and AA cannot serve AUS nonstop from DCA without a beyond-perimeter slot exemption. In addition, AA already uses all 6 of its beyond-perimeter slot exemption pairs at DCA on DCA-PHX, DCA-LAX, and DCA-LAS (the first two being hub-to-hub AA nonstop routes).


That's rough. AUS is barely excluded by the rule, right? It cuts off at around DFW/IAH?


The DCA perimeter cutoff is located near Waco, TX as DCA-ACT is 1,243 mi, which is barely inside of the DCA perimeter.

HOU is the furthest commercial airport within the DCA perimeter that has nonstop service to DCA.

There are a few commercial airports within the DCA perimeter that are further from DCA than HOU is such as LAW (Lawton, OK), ACT (Waco, TX), and SPS (Wichita Falls, TX).

Here are the distances of the longest within-DCA perimeter nonstop routes:
DCA-OKC - 1158 mi
DCA-DAL - 1184 mi
DCA-DFW - 1192 mi
DCA-IAH - 1208 mi
DCA-HOU - 1218 mi

LGA and DCA perimeter rules are so outdated, they are flying the same sized planes to ATL and CLT that they would to AUS.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:28 pm

B6 to add a 3rd daily flight to BOS
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:38 pm

Will DL respond or wave the white flag and drop the route? Hard to compete offering only 1 daily.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:37 pm

It would be nice to get more info on the possible West Infill. It's listed as a possible interim improvement. The only info I've seen about it is, " Additionally, the ovoid shape of Checkpoint One(East Infill) could be repeated in a new West Infill project for BJT, a concessions node in the new midfield concourse, and ovoid shaped skylights in the pavilion roof. "

There is an item in the construction schedule called "West Infill-Temp Ground Load" that could be open as early as 2021 but I'm not sure if that is the full infill project that we saw on the east or just a temporary entrance to help with closures during the new terminal building construction.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:51 am

A west security checkpoint with more lanes and Precheck would be very helpful.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:32 pm

KD5MDK wrote:
A west security checkpoint with more lanes and Precheck would be very helpful.


Agreed. The nearby checkpoint next to the AA counters is clearly insufficient.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:32 pm

Apparently British Airways is supposed to switch to the A350-1000 on March 29?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:44 pm

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Apparently British Airways is supposed to switch to the A350-1000 on March 29?


Makes sense from a PaxEx sense. The old 744 cabins just don't compare to the newer 330s and 787s flown to Europe by the other carriers. They will have much stiffer competition from KL and LH next year to Europe. Not to mention the extra capacity by DI to LGW and CDG.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:02 pm

That is correct about the 35K, gonna be year round as well
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:46 pm

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That is correct about the 35K, gonna be year round as well

Just did some bookings and the A350 is not year round, only until October 24th, then back to a 777.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Can't wait to see the A350 in AUS. Speaking of Airbus a poster on another thread said that the first scheduled A220 service started yesterday 12/11 from DTW. The 220 had been diverted to AUS before for fueling but this was the first scheduled service. They spoke with a source who told them DL was bringing the 220 in so ground crews could get familiarized with the plane.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...135Z/KDTW/KAUS
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:18 pm

KD5MDK wrote:
A west security checkpoint with more lanes and Precheck would be very helpful.


Yea, I guess the question would be how much easier it would be done compared to the new terminal building. I'm not sure if it's worth it if it's just a year. How long did the west infill take?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:24 pm

malev2012 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Apparently British Airways is supposed to switch to the A350-1000 on March 29?


Makes sense from a PaxEx sense. The old 744 cabins just don't compare to the newer 330s and 787s flown to Europe by the other carriers. They will have much stiffer competition from KL and LH next year to Europe. Not to mention the extra capacity by DI to LGW and CDG.


So what? All that matters is us spotters. A 744 is cooler looking than a 350/787/777 any day...operating costs, margins and PaxEx be damned. Yes, /s :D
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:25 pm

freerover wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
A west security checkpoint with more lanes and Precheck would be very helpful.


Yea, I guess the question would be how much easier it would be done compared to the new terminal building. I'm not sure if it's worth it if it's just a year. How long did the west infill take?


That's a great question. I'm only guessing, but it felt like a full year.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:36 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Apparently British Airways is supposed to switch to the A350-1000 on March 29?



It'll help for takeoffs if the west runway is closed for a few months next year for maintenance.
EDIT: Nvm. I don't think the west runway will close until Dec 2020.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:48 pm

masonh2479 wrote:
KAUSavgeek wrote:
That is correct about the 35K, gonna be year round as well

Just did some bookings and the A350 is not year round, only until October 24th, then back to a 777.


Might show that, but that isn't what the DNATA ops people have told me
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:54 pm

KAUSavgeek wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
KAUSavgeek wrote:
That is correct about the 35K, gonna be year round as well

Just did some bookings and the A350 is not year round, only until October 24th, then back to a 777.


Might show that, but that isn't what the DNATA ops people have told me

I hope you're right, I would much rather have the A350 year round than split with an older 777.
 
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:24 pm

Oh boy, Delta is adding a 2nd flight to BOS starting June 22nd, this should be interesting :lol:
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:12 am

Interesting to see that they're knocking AUS back to 3class with this, after it having sustained scheduled F service on the 789, 77W, and 744.



masonh2479 wrote:
Just did some bookings and the A350 is not year round, only until October 24th, then back to a 777.

I wouldn't put much faith in the latter, as anything but a placeholder, considering that BA hasn't loaded its fall schedule.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:50 am

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Interesting to see that they're knocking AUS back to 3class with this, after it having sustained scheduled F service on the 789, 77W, and 744.


Does it really matter though? The new BA J is just as good, if not better than their F.

Side note: it amazes me how AUS can sustain daily year round service on 747/77W’s and now A350s. Really speaks volumes of how much they’ve grown.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:55 am

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Side note: it amazes me how AUS can sustain daily year round service on 747/77W’s and now A350s. Really speaks volumes of how much they’ve grown.


Next year's going to be interesting with KLM entering AUS and Norwegian adding CDG and an extra LGW-AUS frequency. Makes me wonder how far they can go.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:08 am

BNAMealer wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Interesting to see that they're knocking AUS back to 3class with this, after it having sustained scheduled F service on the 789, 77W, and 744.

Does it really matter though? The new BA J is just as good, if not better than their F.

No one's really making a case for "mattering" one way or the other; it's just interesting to observe, seeing as BA had the option of using a 78X there instead.


Seems it's the type of market where they'd rather go for volume over per-unit yield, particularly in light of........
Ishrion wrote:
KLM entering AUS and Norwegian adding CDG and an extra LGW-AUS frequency.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:08 am

Wonder if anyone will hop on MSN-AUS for the tech connection. Maybe SY now that they are making a mini-hub there, plus they can sell the tourist aspect of AUS up there
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:50 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Interesting to see that they're knocking AUS back to 3class with this, after it having sustained scheduled F service on the 789, 77W, and 744.

Does it really matter though? The new BA J is just as good, if not better than their F.

No one's really making a case for "mattering" one way or the other; it's just interesting to observe, seeing as BA had the option of using a 78X there instead.


Seems it's the type of market where they'd rather go for volume over per-unit yield, particularly in light of........
Ishrion wrote:
KLM entering AUS and Norwegian adding CDG and an extra LGW-AUS frequency.


True, although none of the nonstop flights to Europe will have ‘true’ F.

I’d agree that they’re dealing with competition (LH) that has a better J class product and they need to distinguish themselves. BA’s 350 has 56 J seats, the same as the 77W they use in off season; BA seems to be gambling that the new J is going to be a selling point over losing the 14 F seats.

The 350 also has a slightly larger Y+ cabin, and about 30 extra seats in Y over the 77W, so .
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:14 pm

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BA’s 350 has 56 J seats, the same as the 77W they use in off season

For now, but that's not going to be the case moving forward.

The 77W is retaining 8F, but getting 76 J seats, even with the *new* configuration. Y is being reduced to 130.
That makes it an ultra-premium configuration, and is likely the primary reason it's being pulled off of AUS.

No way AUS could support that (relative to opportunity cost) with no stateside hub feed, no strategic location, and multiple new TATL ops coming online at the same point in time.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:45 pm

What do you think the right number of oneworld J seats from Austin is?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:53 pm

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What do you think the right number of oneworld J seats from Austin is?


The 350 and old-J 77W have 56; the next highest 744 config (with old-J) is 70.

BA appears to have calculated that the smaller 350 with 56 new-J seats will do better for them than the bigger, less fuel efficient 744. Although only 3x/week, KL’s entry into the AUS market brings yet another J class cabin with a better product to draw traffic away to yet a third alliance.

(And, while probably not a main factor in the decision, BA’s Y+ cabin—slightly bigger on the 350—is usually comparably priced with DY’s “business”, and has the advantage of accruing miles. It’s not a huge boost, but it does make a difference for biz travelers whose companies won’t pay for J seats, which is becoming more common.)
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:23 am

Isn’t BA moving all of their current 744s to 86J configuration? At a certain point there just aren’t enough older airframes to go around.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:35 am

Bummer since the 747 is... a 747 (haha redundant to say). We’ll welcome the a35K into our family of aircraft visiting AUS. It’s still a sight to behold.

Odd they had a 747 here a few days ago in place of the 77W.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:20 pm

This may impact cargo operations at ABIA....

Amazon in line to build massive distribution center outside Austin

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... ution.html

--The proposed project is a four-and-a-half-story logistics/distribution center on about 94 acres at 2000 E. Pecan St. less than a mile from State Highway 130 in Pflugerville and Travis County, according to plans submitted to the city of Pflugerville.

--The single-building facility will have 43,000 square feet of office space, 780,552 square feet of warehouse space and 3 million square feet designated for robotics on a "mezzanine level," according to the public filings. There will be 1,706 parking spaces.

--To put the proposed project size of 3.8 million square feet into perspective, that would be more than four times larger than Amazon's San Marcos warehouse, which is 855,000 square feet.

--If Project Charm is Amazon, it appears it would be the company's largest distribution facility in Texas. The e-commerce giant seems to be moving forward with these kinds of enormous projects all around the country, proposing a handful of nearly identical facilities across the United States
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:26 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
This may impact cargo operations at ABIA....

Amazon in line to build massive distribution center outside Austin

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... ution.html

--The proposed project is a four-and-a-half-story logistics/distribution center on about 94 acres at 2000 E. Pecan St. less than a mile from State Highway 130 in Pflugerville and Travis County, according to plans submitted to the city of Pflugerville.

--The single-building facility will have 43,000 square feet of office space, 780,552 square feet of warehouse space and 3 million square feet designated for robotics on a "mezzanine level," according to the public filings. There will be 1,706 parking spaces.

--To put the proposed project size of 3.8 million square feet into perspective, that would be more than four times larger than Amazon's San Marcos warehouse, which is 855,000 square feet.

--If Project Charm is Amazon, it appears it would be the company's largest distribution facility in Texas. The e-commerce giant seems to be moving forward with these kinds of enormous projects all around the country, proposing a handful of nearly identical facilities across the United States


I don't think the impact will be that significant, seems they are just upgaging their distribution center to better service local customers. No doubt the continued growth of Austin will mean more growth for cargo.
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