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Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:56 am

Heraldry is very tolerant of such minor differences in execution. Looks fine to me.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:03 am

To my eye, the modern version is easier to read from afar. The thinner strokes and increased separation between elements result in shapes that can be easily understood from further away.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:37 am

At least they went to the effort of using the original crest and not just slapping on the current version.
 
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At first glance there is no difference, but look carefully. The biggest differences are visible on the wings and legs of a horse and a lion. Their silhouettes are also slimmer.
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Okay now I see it but again, it actually is exactly the same but just slimmer so there is no real difference. From far away the majority of people won't even notice this.

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A388 wrote:
BA850 wrote:
At first glance there is no difference, but look carefully. The biggest differences are visible on the wings and legs of a horse and a lion. Their silhouettes are also slimmer.
Image


Okay now I see it but again, it actually is exactly the same but just slimmer so there is no real difference. From far away the majority of people won't even notice this.

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Hmmm... The sunrise is different too.
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:32 pm

BA retrojet G-BNLY is a beautiful airplane and for me landor colours are the most beautiful liveries ever. In my opinion every retro airplane should be exact reproduction of past livery and that's why coat of arms should be unchanged. G-BNLY crest is very similar to the old one and of course pretty but it differs in every detail. Fortunately, they didn't use the current crest. ;-)
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:36 pm

You know how some brands will have modified versions of their logos for use in different applications? The UA/CO globe is the best example on this forum, with how they have a "simplified" version for smaller-scale print applications.

There's probably a similar thing with the BA coat of arms, different versions with adjusted details depending on the application, and chances are they probably used whatever artwork they had most handy for the Coat of Arms to apply to this one-off paintjob instead of recreating it to exactly 100% match the previous iteration.
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:

Hmmm... The sunrise is different too.


Apart from the "thinning", the only differences I can see are:

1.) Number of strokes on the "wings" of the horse and lion assuming that's what they are)
2.) Missing flagpole on the 2 "flags" just under the sunrise.
3. ) Horse's eye is not not fully enclosed.
4.) Outline of the shield.
5.) Added detail on the 2 elements just above the lions head and 1 above horse's head.

But I was never any good at "spot the difference"

EDIT: but i did have to edit this 3 times ;)
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:45 am

Isnt the nagus saposed the get out of painting today?
 
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Isnt the nagus saposed the get out of painting today?


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Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:04 am

Overall, a great job from BA. Particularly the Negus and Landor schemes, which in their time were among the very best in the world. I am still a bit disappointed about the dull grey belly of the BOAC retro scheme though.
 
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Get ready to film it in portrait mode.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:16 am

And there it is, cue the nitpicking ;)
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:45 am

Looks fantastic, possibly my favourite of the 747s, or at the very least a tie with the BOAC one.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:46 am

Looks great. Can’t wait to see in the flesh and all 4 retro/heritage jets together. I loved the TriStars in this livery. VB on way back now.

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Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35 am

Arrival shot. The grey belly is more evident here.

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Looks great. Can’t wait to see in the flesh and all 4 retro/heritage jets together. I loved the TriStars in this livery. VB on way back now.

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Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:53 am

The titles are too high up. The B shouldnt touch the upper deck windows. The grey belly is not a big issue here as its only a narrow stripe so to say.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:02 pm

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Looks great and brings back loads of memories of yesteryear, not least the great adverts of the time.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:08 pm

na wrote:
The titles are too high up. The B shouldnt touch the upper deck windows. The grey belly is not a big issue here as its only a narrow stripe so to say.


I was thinking that too, looking at my model collection it appears to be marginal but slightly annoying nevertheless.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:26 pm

na wrote:
The titles are too high up. The B shouldnt touch the upper deck windows. The grey belly is not a big issue here as its only a narrow stripe so to say.


My sentiments exactly. could have put it mid way between both sets of windows. Disappointing. The rest of it looks fine.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:44 pm

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My sentiments exactly. could have put it mid way between both sets of windows. Disappointing. The rest of it looks fine.

Puzzling, because the titles' original position (defined by the doors) as seen on -236Bs is perfectly available. (While the IVB variation has not avoided to paint the UD doors.)
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:31 pm

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na wrote:
The titles are too high up. The B shouldnt touch the upper deck windows. The grey belly is not a big issue here as its only a narrow stripe so to say.


I was thinking that too, looking at my model collection it appears to be marginal but slightly annoying nevertheless.


I'm in total agreement with you, I'm very disappointed by the titles although the rest of the livery looks magnificent but nonetheless the titles are definitely an annoying factor, I just don't understand why they were applied in that manner.

But I guess without nitpicking too much it's very nostalgic to see these former British Airways liveries come alive again that we're once very familiar to us all :-)
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:31 pm

Please remember everyone the 200 and 400 upper deck window set up is totally different , the 200 window line was set much further back on the upper deck . If you took the window line forward on the 200 it would line up with the top of the 'B' . It does look like the titles are set just a little further back along , but it marginal . This is just my opinion .
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:46 pm

Rather easy to compare the "ys" in relation to L2 and R1 doors as a reference in -236Bs to IVB. I don't see the malposition of the lettering has anything to do with the altered window config on the 436's UD.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:45 pm

Worth recalling the Landor titles on the B744 are in a different position and size vs the B741/B742. This is what a Negus B744 would have looked like I think
 
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Worth recalling the Landor titles on the B744 are in a different position and size vs the B741/B742. This is what a Negus B744 would have looked like I think


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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:11 pm

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Worth recalling the Landor titles on the B744 are in a different position and size vs the B741/B742. This is what a Negus B744 would have looked like I think


Yeah possibly, although let's assume it would have been with 'British' titles had Negus lasted another 5 years or so required to get on the 744 fleet. In this case I feel that the text could just be a tiny bit lower down even if the lower part of the 'y' bleeds onto the door(s). That said I do like it and yes I get that these retro liveries are merely representative of what went before, even if some of the details could have been handled better.

Given that three of the four planes won't be seen anywhere in the UK other than Heathrow, I'll look forward to whenever the A319 calls into Glasgow. And who knows maybe the odd diverted 744...
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:19 pm

As for Negus, there's a proven way to fit the full titles between doors & floors in a relaxed way. Yet, they squeezed it differently and it looks just like that: squeezed, rather than aesthetically more appealing, which would seem a valid goal to make a change.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:41 pm

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As for Negus, there's a proven way to fit the full titles between doors & floors in a relaxed way. Yet, they squeezed it differently and it looks just like that: squeezed, rather than aesthetically more appealing, which would seem a valid goal to make a change.


Exactly my opinion as well... The Negus titles should basically sit on top of the lower deck doors with the lower part of the y sitting off of the door (L2 or R1 depending on the side), here they have smushed them into the upperdeck for some reason and the proportions look to be slightly off as well (too tall not wide enough?). Further the speedbird on the nose should also be aligned slightly lower down so that its upper point is in line with the centerline of the titles.

Well they got minor things wrong with all of them so far... I'm less annoyed by the Negus titles than the BOAC engines at least.
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:49 pm

I will probably get roasted for this but alas...I never found the negus scheme (save the tale) to be attractive, seeing it on the 744 confirms my bias that it's an ugly scheme, the fact that “airways” is not in title case really throws me off, the haphazard speedbird is off putting as well, comes across as a real penny pinchers livery IMHO
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:52 pm

eal wrote:
I will probably get roasted for this but alas...I never found the negus scheme (save the tale) to be attractive, seeing it on the 744 confirms my bias that it's an ugly scheme, the fact that “airways” is not in title case really throws me off, the haphazard speedbird is off putting as well, comes across as a real penny pinchers livery IMHO


I always preferred the "British" version myself... I think it would of worked better on the 744 as well?
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A heavier "British" would not stick to the UD windows properly... :mischievous:
 
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eal wrote:
I will probably get roasted for this but alas...I never found the negus scheme (save the tale) to be attractive, seeing it on the 744 confirms my bias that it's an ugly scheme, the fact that “airways” is not in title case really throws me off, the haphazard speedbird is off putting as well, comes across as a real penny pinchers livery IMHO


I'll disagree with you in the sense that it was never designed around a 744 and in it's day it was considered a contemporary, modern design in airline livery terms, not so today. Once you also consider the grey paint versus polished metal (lower fuse and engines) it becomes less and less like the original Negus vision. Also factor in the dismal grey Irish and UK weather that it was received in today. This is going to look like a shiny new pin anywhere where sunshine is in abundance. The same goes for the others too, even that dirgey grim Landor I never liked...
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:03 pm

na wrote:
The titles are too high up. The B shouldnt touch the upper deck windows. The grey belly is not a big issue here as its only a narrow stripe so to say.


The grey belly was a feature of the original livery. It was painted. Aside from the photos above, I can confirm that as a child I got rather frustrated trying to paint the grey on an Airfix model kit!

From memory, the blue didn’t wrap round the whole underside on BA’s 707s, 747s, 737s and the VC10s behind the wing.

Of course the 744 Rolls Royce engines were never offered in natural metal.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:25 pm

eal wrote:
I will probably get roasted for this but alas...I never found the negus scheme (save the tale) to be attractive, seeing it on the 744 confirms my bias that it's an ugly scheme, the fact that “airways” is not in title case really throws me off, the haphazard speedbird is off putting as well, comes across as a real penny pinchers livery IMHO


I have to agree. Never liked the Negus scheme, especially compared to the Landor.
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eal wrote:
I will probably get roasted for this but alas...I never found the negus scheme (save the tale) to be attractive, seeing it on the 744 confirms my bias that it's an ugly scheme, the fact that “airways” is not in title case really throws me off, the haphazard speedbird is off putting as well, comes across as a real penny pinchers livery IMHO


I have to agree. Never liked the Negus scheme, especially compared to the Landor.


Nor did I but after seeing it today it brought back so many memories and I thought to myself how much I had missed it.

Back in the days watching Trident after Trident landing at LHR the livery got really monotonous except for the Tristars that is but I was pleasantly surprised today when I saw it and realised how much I had missed the Negus livery, it seemed just right except for the titles though but let's just be happy to see these four beautiful retro liveries back alive again after all these years.

Although not liked by many on these forums but personally I loved the BEA speed jack livery and I was rather disappointed that British Airways chose the red box livery for the A319 but I have to say it's beautiful and it's probably my favourite out of the four.

Who would have envisaged a year ago that a year later we would be discussing these four retro liveries and seeing British Airways commemorate their anniversary in this way :-)
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Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:40 am

This video came up in my recommended on YouTube and I can’t see it’s been shared here.. it’s a 3+ hour live stream of the aircraft landing at LHR. The last hour is the best, interviews with pilots and aircraft walk around.

I do like the BOAC one, out of the retros, it is the only one I have never seen before. Also.. a reason to be watching the Queen of the Skies! What a wonderful tribute. I will stay across this thread now. :thumbsup:

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I take it neither SNN or DUB made time lapse videos?
 
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This video came up in my recommended on YouTube and I can’t see it’s been shared here.. it’s a 3+ hour live stream of the aircraft landing at LHR. The last hour is the best, interviews with pilots and aircraft walk around.

I do like the BOAC one, out of the retros, it is the only one I have never seen before. Also.. a reason to be watching the Queen of the Skies! What a wonderful tribute. I will stay across this thread now. :thumbsup:

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As soon I noticed that the video was from BIG JET TV I had to stop viewing, I find the guy that does those productions totally annoying.

I don't think that the video has been shared here on a.net as I think that the majority are in the same opinion :-)

Just curious, you state that you have never seen the BOAC livery before in your lifetime, so I take it that you've seen the BEA red box livery before.
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Cunard wrote:
VapourTrails wrote:
This video came up in my recommended on YouTube and I can’t see it’s been shared here.. it’s a 3+ hour live stream of the aircraft landing at LHR. The last hour is the best, interviews with pilots and aircraft walk around.

I do like the BOAC one, out of the retros, it is the only one I have never seen before. Also.. a reason to be watching the Queen of the Skies! What a wonderful tribute. I will stay across this thread now. :thumbsup:

Source: https://youtu.be/M-l5T2-QT2s


As soon I noticed that the video was from BIG JET TV I had to stop viewing, I find the guy that does those productions totally annoying.

I don't think that the video has been shared here on a.net as I think that the majority are in the same opinion :-)

Just curious, you state that you have never seen the BOAC livery before in your lifetime, so I take it that you've seen the BEA red box livery before.


Yes, I agree, the commentary is annoying. Watching it with the sound down or forwarding for some of the duration could be useful. The fact that he was in the crowd, in the hangar, and up close, and the interviews with the pilots made it worthwhile though I thought. Yes I am familiar with the BEA red box livery.
 
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VapourTrails wrote:
Cunard wrote:
VapourTrails wrote:
This video came up in my recommended on YouTube and I can’t see it’s been shared here.. it’s a 3+ hour live stream of the aircraft landing at LHR. The last hour is the best, interviews with pilots and aircraft walk around.

I do like the BOAC one, out of the retros, it is the only one I have never seen before. Also.. a reason to be watching the Queen of the Skies! What a wonderful tribute. I will stay across this thread now. :thumbsup:

Source: https://youtu.be/M-l5T2-QT2s


As soon I noticed that the video was from BIG JET TV I had to stop viewing, I find the guy that does those productions totally annoying.

I don't think that the video has been shared here on a.net as I think that the majority are in the same opinion :-)

Just curious, you state that you have never seen the BOAC livery before in your lifetime, so I take it that you've seen the BEA red box livery before.


Yes, I agree, the commentary is annoying. Watching it with the sound down or forwarding for some of the duration could be useful. The fact that he was in the crowd, in the hangar, and up close, and the interviews with the pilots made it worthwhile though I thought. Yes I am familiar with the BEA red box livery.


Fair play to you for being familiar and having previously seen the former BEA red box livery especially considering that it changed to the Speedjack livery in late 1968 and the Negus livery was first revealed in late 1972.

The last aircraft to wear the Red Box livery was repainted into the Speedjack livery in 1971, if I can remember correctly it was a Vanguard.

The BOAC and BEA (speedjack) liveries were both still around for several years after the merger in January 1974 albeit with British Airways titles but according to your profile your only 46 so it does indeed surprise me that your familiar with the Red Box livery and had never personally seen the BOAC livery which lasted for longer :-)

Unless of course your referring to seeing the preserved Trident 2E at the Imperial War Museum at Duxford registration number G-AVFB that adorns the BEA Red Box livery but then there is the standard VC10 G-ASGC also on display at Duxford in the BOAC-Cunard livery.

Sorry if I'm coming across as being too intrusive but I'm totally intrigued.
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:30 pm

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it changed to the Speedjack livery in late 1968


That Livery ?


Anyway, I've never been very fond of the narrowbodies Airbus and Boeing produce nowadays, but I have to admit I really enjoy seeing that A319 in BEA livery.

 
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it changed to the Speedjack livery in late 1968


That Livery ?


Anyway, I've never been very fond of the narrowbodies Airbus and Boeing produce nowadays, but I have to admit I really enjoy seeing that A319 in BEA livery.



Yes that is the SPEEDJACK livery that was first introduced in 1968 replacing the Red Box livery and although I was personally looking forward to seeing British Airways use that particular livery on the A319 I have to say that the BEA Red Box livery looks absolutely superb, far better than I expected.
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Apparently there is a photoshoot with all four of them at LHR today. Nice weather for it...
 
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If it goes ahead hopefully we're get some good shots by photography and video, where I am in Southampton it's very overcast.

It would be great to see all four aircraft on the apron together as well and even more so if Concorde was in view.
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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos