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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 5:33 pm

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A101 wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/15/theresa-may-brexit-conservative-party-margaret-thatcher


Finally someone sees as it should be to move forward.


And amazingly it’s from The Guardian


And it's not from the Guardian, it is from John Whittingdale, a Brexetrimist.....

Just published in The Guardian.



The guardian is known anti Brexit media source, it is the irony of it being published by them to which I was referring too


No, it isn't, just an independent source, showing both sides of the argument.

And from the Guardian is something totally different than published in the Guardian, wouldn't you agree?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 5:43 pm

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And it's not from the Guardian, it is from John Whittingdale, a Brexetrimist.....

Just published in The Guardian.



The guardian is known anti Brexit media source, it is the irony of it being published by them to which I was referring too


No, it isn't, just an independent source, showing both sides of the argument.

And from the Guardian is something totally different than published in the Guardian, wouldn't you agree?



semantics
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 5:52 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
A101 wrote:


The guardian is known anti Brexit media source, it is the irony of it being published by them to which I was referring too


No, it isn't, just an independent source, showing both sides of the argument.

And from the Guardian is something totally different than published in the Guardian, wouldn't you agree?



semantics


Call me a cynical, I believe you wrote it like that to frame it quite differently.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 5:55 pm

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Dutchy wrote:

No, it isn't, just an independent source, showing both sides of the argument.

And from the Guardian is something totally different than published in the Guardian, wouldn't you agree?



semantics


Call me a cynical, I believe you wrote it like that to frame it quite differently.



Ok your cynical.........feel better?
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 6:21 pm

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semantics


Call me a cynical, I believe you wrote it like that to frame it quite differently.



Ok your cynical.........feel better?


Well, the other reason was that you're less intelligent than I thought.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 7:34 pm

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Well, the other reason was that you're less intelligent than I thought.


Well I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 7:44 pm

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Ok your cynical.........


His cynical what? Don't leave us hanging like that.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 8:01 pm

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Ok your cynical.........


His cynical what? Don't leave us hanging like that.



Hanging on what? That I agreed to call him cynical and enquired if he felt better for it.

It’s not like I called him a cynical .....deleted for CENSORSHIP
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 8:49 pm

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Ok your cynical.........


His cynical what? Don't leave us hanging like that.



Hanging on what? That I agreed to call him cynical and enquired if he felt better for it.

It’s not like I called him a cynical .....deleted for CENSORSHIP


It's hardly worth explaining, but....

Your vs you're

It amused me, but probably nobody else. ;)
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 9:05 pm

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His cynical what? Don't leave us hanging like that.



Hanging on what? That I agreed to call him cynical and enquired if he felt better for it.

It’s not like I called him a cynical .....deleted for CENSORSHIP


It's hardly worth explaining, but....

Your vs you're

It amused me, but probably nobody else. ;)


Ah yes I didn’t pick that up, it does present two different meanings.


I’ll put it down to a long day. I’m totally stuffed.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 pm

scbriml wrote:
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scbriml wrote:

His cynical what? Don't leave us hanging like that.



Hanging on what? That I agreed to call him cynical and enquired if he felt better for it.

It’s not like I called him a cynical .....deleted for CENSORSHIP


It's hardly worth explaining, but....

Your vs you're

It amused me, but probably nobody else. ;)


I noticed, but if I have to correct all the mistakes A101 makes, I will not have any time to actually to meet all my other responsibilities.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 9:38 pm

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A101 wrote:


Hanging on what? That I agreed to call him cynical and enquired if he felt better for it.

It’s not like I called him a cynical .....deleted for CENSORSHIP


It's hardly worth explaining, but....

Your vs you're

It amused me, but probably nobody else. ;)


I noticed, but if I have to correct all the mistakes A101 makes, I will not have any time to actually to meet all my other responsibilities.



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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Wed May 15, 2019 11:57 pm

It’s astonishing the utter contempt that TM shows to not only Parliment but the electorate, her way is the only way to exit the EU.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48286543
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ssion=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 11:03 am

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.


:lol: and :roll:
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Thu May 16, 2019 11:38 am

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.


Wait, haven’t you previously derided YouGov polls?
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Thu May 16, 2019 11:47 am

scbriml wrote:
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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.


Wait, haven’t you previously derided YouGov polls?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I would say, let's prove them wrong. It is not that they don't want a working EU, they just think it might fail.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Thu May 16, 2019 12:17 pm

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.


Every country has it's own problems, slightly different to another.

In the UK decades of lies about the EU, a decade of 'Austerity', little faith in elected politicans (started off with MPs expenses), the middle class being squeezed whilst the upper class still dominates politics, the rich getting massively richer and everyone blaming local issues (country wide) on the EU - see NHS, police, Education. Populism / Nationism is now rife in Europe because of similar types of problems. Admittedly the EU does need reform but it has been incredibly slow and delivering it. The idea of it is still superb, just needs tweaking to move with the times.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:45 pm

Of course I’m going to go for it — says @BorisJohnson about the Conservative leadership speaking at @BIBAbroker in Manchester #BIBA2019


source

Well, well, Boris Johnson will take some responsibility for this at last? Although he will not be able to get a hard Brexit past parliament so we'll see what he will be able to accomplish if he is elected by his party.
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:56 pm

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Of course I’m going to go for it — says @BorisJohnson about the Conservative leadership speaking at @BIBAbroker in Manchester #BIBA2019


source

Well, well, Boris Johnson will take some responsibility for this at last? Although he will not be able to get a hard Brexit past parliament so we'll see what he will be able to accomplish if he is elected by his party.


It's no secret - that was his entire game plan when jumping on the Brexit bandwagon...
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Thu May 16, 2019 3:28 pm

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Of course I’m going to go for it — says @BorisJohnson about the Conservative leadership speaking at @BIBAbroker in Manchester #BIBA2019


source

Well, well, Boris Johnson will take some responsibility for this at last? Although he will not be able to get a hard Brexit past parliament so we'll see what he will be able to accomplish if he is elected by his party.


It's no secret - that was his entire game plan when jumping on the Brexit bandwagon...


Sure, but I didn't think he would do it now.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Fri May 17, 2019 4:52 am

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/16 ... 146398.jpg


Looks like the Brexit party logo had an unintended effect on the ballot paper
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Fri May 17, 2019 6:21 am

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/16/11/13570266-7034355-image-m-20_1558004146398.jpg


Looks like the Brexit party logo had an unintended effect on the ballot paper


Perhaps intended, this is quite brilliant of the designer I must say.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Fri May 17, 2019 6:43 am

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scbriml wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Most people think it’ll go. Lets put the wretched thing out of its misery.


Wait, haven’t you previously derided YouGov polls?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I would say, let's prove them wrong. It is not that they don't want a working EU, they just think it might fail.


How can you prove them wrong, when the only answer of the Brussels parallel universe always is "more EUrope" and Macron's imperial delusions?
The way I'm reading it is... people appreciate the benefits of the EU but do not want to end up in a straight jacket of one-size-fits-all "federal" EU. Ignore the people, push the integration too hard and it will all end up in bitter tears.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 8:51 am

L410Turbolet wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Wait, haven’t you previously derided YouGov polls?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I would say, let's prove them wrong. It is not that they don't want a working EU, they just think it might fail.


How can you prove them wrong, when the only answer of the Brussels parallel universe always is "more EUrope" and Macron's imperial delusions?
The way I'm reading it is... people appreciate the benefits of the EU but do not want to end up in a straight jacket of one-size-fits-all "federal" EU. Ignore the people, push the integration too hard and it will all end up in bitter tears.



Agree. It’s one of the main fundamentals why I want out of the EU, closer political union...No thank you
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 9:23 am

L410Turbolet wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Wait, haven’t you previously derided YouGov polls?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I would say, let's prove them wrong. It is not that they don't want a working EU, they just think it might fail.


How can you prove them wrong, when the only answer of the Brussels parallel universe always is "more EUrope" and Macron's imperial delusions?
The way I'm reading it is... people appreciate the benefits of the EU but do not want to end up in a straight jacket of one-size-fits-all "federal" EU. Ignore the people, push the integration too hard and it will all end up in bitter tears.


That is what you read into this. What I read into this is, that the people want something like the EU, but see that there are huge differences between the states which needs to be fixed and it can. If the "ever closing union" is the answer, I don't know, a different kind of organization is perhaps needed, but the current EU can morphe into that as well. Things move slowly within the EU, too slowly perhaps. The phase is set by these 28 (for now) agreeing on this (souverainity anyone?). That's why I put in my two cents, let's prove them wrong and have an union which survives.
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Fri May 17, 2019 3:21 pm

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What I read into this is, that the people want something like the EU, but see that there are huge differences between the states which needs to be fixed and it can.

How? All those arrogant, ugly EU apparatchiks like Vehofstadt, Timmermans or Schulz want majority voting. This will only cause even bigger divisions within the EU.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 12:25 pm

And Nigal Farage is being investigated for the 1/2million Pounds he got in "gifts" from Arron Banks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 18946.html

Of course, quite a bit of controversy around Arron Banks, Arron Banks is linked to the Trump campaign and to Russian money. Besides this, he is one of the political donors to Nigal Farage from the beginning of UKIP movement and he is one of the people behind the Brexit campaign, one of the ultra-wealthy form the city.
This is one of the persons the Brexieers are following.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Sun May 19, 2019 12:29 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
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What I read into this is, that the people want something like the EU, but see that there are huge differences between the states which needs to be fixed and it can.

How? All those arrogant, ugly EU apparatchiks like Vehofstadt, Timmermans or Schulz want majority voting. This will only cause even bigger divisions within the EU.


So just throwing away 70 years of cooperation is better than move forward and fix the problems the EU has.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreau

Sun May 19, 2019 2:29 pm

Stephen Fry and the real reason why the Brexitremist in power are pushing for a no-deal Brexit and some Brexiteers "facts" debunked.

But again why not support the ultra rich by believing these lies?
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Sun May 19, 2019 6:30 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:

How can you prove them wrong, when the only answer of the Brussels parallel universe always is "more EUrope" and Macron's imperial delusions?
The way I'm reading it is... people appreciate the benefits of the EU but do not want to end up in a straight jacket of one-size-fits-all "federal" EU. Ignore the people, push the integration too hard and it will all end up in bitter tears.


I am not sure what exactly do you want. You like the benefits of the EU? Well, they are the result of a tighter integration. If you think that the benefits outweigh the loss of the ability to make independent policy decisions? Then stay in the EU. You think that Czech republic is hamstrung by losing the ability to make its own policies? Then leave. It appears that you want all the benefits of integration without any of the constrains. It just doesn't work like that.
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 6:37 pm

I hate to source the Sun but any bizarre EU fanatics likely to confirm this is not correct and how it is good for the UK?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9109970/p ... ssion=true
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 6:54 pm

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I hate to source the Sun but any bizarre EU fanatics likely to confirm this is not correct and how it is good for the UK?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9109970/p ... ssion=true


It isn't immediately apparent to me how the UK would benefit from large scale government aid to shops whom are failing to innovate to justify their high priced real estate shops on the high street, especially multinationals.
Has nothing to do with the EU perse, just idiotic populist scheme to score points with fanatic old fashioned people longing for the good old days, pre-internet shopping in this case.
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Mon May 20, 2019 7:47 pm

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noviorbis77 wrote:
I hate to source the Sun but any bizarre EU fanatics likely to confirm this is not correct and how it is good for the UK?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9109970/p ... ssion=true


It isn't immediately apparent to me how the UK would benefit from large scale government aid to shops whom are failing to innovate to justify their high priced real estate shops on the high street, especially multinationals.
Has nothing to do with the EU perse, just idiotic populist scheme to score points with fanatic old fashioned people longing for the good old days, pre-internet shopping in this case.


Jobs. The de-multiplier effect of goods and services declining. It is vital to have a thriving high street.

So is the Sun incorrect? Are these just more false claims against the EU?
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 8:19 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
I hate to source the Sun but any bizarre EU fanatics likely to confirm this is not correct and how it is good for the UK?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9109970/p ... ssion=true


It isn't immediately apparent to me how the UK would benefit from large scale government aid to shops whom are failing to innovate to justify their high priced real estate shops on the high street, especially multinationals.
Has nothing to do with the EU perse, just idiotic populist scheme to score points with fanatic old fashioned people longing for the good old days, pre-internet shopping in this case.


Jobs. The de-multiplier effect of goods and services declining. It is vital to have a thriving high street.

So is the Sun incorrect? Are these just more false claims against the EU?


I only glanced quickly at the article, but it looks plausible. The EU does indeed have a tough stance on State subsidies.

But before you go "screw the EU then!“, remember that state subsidies are a pretty bad thing. It allows businesses to ignore the demands of the market. In this case, failing businesses will take up valuable space from a potential succesful ones, and give unfair competition against competitors who adapted and invested with the times. Failing shops will continue to fail, but will now be able to drag well run shops down with them.

Long story short, just look at Alitalia.
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 8:36 pm

VSMUT wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

It isn't immediately apparent to me how the UK would benefit from large scale government aid to shops whom are failing to innovate to justify their high priced real estate shops on the high street, especially multinationals.
Has nothing to do with the EU perse, just idiotic populist scheme to score points with fanatic old fashioned people longing for the good old days, pre-internet shopping in this case.


Jobs. The de-multiplier effect of goods and services declining. It is vital to have a thriving high street.

So is the Sun incorrect? Are these just more false claims against the EU?


I only glanced quickly at the article, but it looks plausible. The EU does indeed have a tough stance on State subsidies.

But before you go "screw the EU then!“, remember that state subsidies are a pretty bad thing. It allows businesses to ignore the demands of the market. In this case, failing businesses will take up valuable space from a potential succesful ones, and give unfair competition against competitors who adapted and invested with the times. Failing shops will continue to fail, but will now be able to drag well run shops down with them.

Long story short, just look at Alitalia.


Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm

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VSMUT wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Jobs. The de-multiplier effect of goods and services declining. It is vital to have a thriving high street.

So is the Sun incorrect? Are these just more false claims against the EU?


I only glanced quickly at the article, but it looks plausible. The EU does indeed have a tough stance on State subsidies.

But before you go "screw the EU then!“, remember that state subsidies are a pretty bad thing. It allows businesses to ignore the demands of the market. In this case, failing businesses will take up valuable space from a potential succesful ones, and give unfair competition against competitors who adapted and invested with the times. Failing shops will continue to fail, but will now be able to drag well run shops down with them.

Long story short, just look at Alitalia.


Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Why do you support unfair competition and wasting government money?
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Mon May 20, 2019 9:32 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Jobs. The de-multiplier effect of goods and services declining. It is vital to have a thriving high street.

So is the Sun incorrect? Are these just more false claims against the EU?


I only glanced quickly at the article, but it looks plausible. The EU does indeed have a tough stance on State subsidies.

But before you go "screw the EU then!“, remember that state subsidies are a pretty bad thing. It allows businesses to ignore the demands of the market. In this case, failing businesses will take up valuable space from a potential succesful ones, and give unfair competition against competitors who adapted and invested with the times. Failing shops will continue to fail, but will now be able to drag well run shops down with them.

Long story short, just look at Alitalia.


Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


No. Subsidies are a poor way of generating jobs. They create none, only protect a few existing ones and decimate a lot of others in the process.

The free market is much better at jobs creation.
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 10:40 pm

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Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Not with my tax pounds, thank you very much. Feel free to donate some of your money to keep Poundland, KFC and Ladbrokes running on your high street.
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Tue May 21, 2019 3:15 am

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Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Not with my tax pounds, thank you very much. Feel free to donate some of your money to keep Poundland, KFC and Ladbrokes running on your high street.



It’s also his as well as a taxpayer, I have not read the all the story and haven’t really got my head around it. But I get the gist of it, it’s this type of economy that has a lot of impact across the UK just not the high end that could do with help across the faceless internet shopping.

I prefer to look at what I’m buying first, I have never order over the internet
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 6:57 am

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I prefer to look at what I’m buying first, I have never order over the internet


How very quaint. Anyway, the discussion about the sorry state of Britain's high streets really has nothing to do with Brexit, so we'll move on, shall we?


Michael Heseltine has Tory whip withdrawn after saying he would vote Lib Dem in the EU election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48344485

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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 7:05 am

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I only glanced quickly at the article, but it looks plausible. The EU does indeed have a tough stance on State subsidies.

But before you go "screw the EU then!“, remember that state subsidies are a pretty bad thing. It allows businesses to ignore the demands of the market. In this case, failing businesses will take up valuable space from a potential succesful ones, and give unfair competition against competitors who adapted and invested with the times. Failing shops will continue to fail, but will now be able to drag well run shops down with them.

Long story short, just look at Alitalia.


Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Why do you support unfair competition and wasting government money?


You have to look at the bigger picture. Protected jobs and improved communities.

Not sure you can really go on about wasting government money. As someone brainwashed by the EU, are you not concerned about how much money the EU needlessly wastes? Moving Parliament, corruption, and over generous expense claims?
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 7:07 am

scbriml wrote:
A101 wrote:
I prefer to look at what I’m buying first, I have never order over the internet


How very quaint. Anyway, the discussion about the sorry state of Britain's high streets really has nothing to do with Brexit, so we'll move on, shall we?


Michael Heseltine has Tory whip withdrawn after saying he would vote Lib Dem in the EU election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48344485

Meanwhile, it appears they have very large seagulls in Newcastle!
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Is violence against people you dislike in the political field ok by you?

Not really something to make jokes about is it. This sort of thing needs to be nipped in the bud. we’ve already had the Jo Cox incident, so childish jibes against assaults of political figures isn’t very clever is it.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 7:13 am

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Is violence against people you dislike in the political field ok by you?


Your threshold of the definition of "violence" is clearly much lower than mine. Britain has a long history of egging nasty politicians.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 7:31 am

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Is violence against people you dislike in the political field ok by you?


Your threshold of the definition of "violence" is clearly much lower than mine. Britain has a long history of egging nasty politicians.


The bloke who threw an egg at Corbyn got a prison sentence.

Clearly the British Legal system has a different definition of violence to you.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 8:17 am

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Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Why do you support unfair competition and wasting government money?


You have to look at the bigger picture. Protected jobs and improved communities.

Not sure you can really go on about wasting government money. As someone brainwashed by the EU, are you not concerned about how much money the EU needlessly wastes? Moving Parliament, corruption, and over generous expense claims?


The high street has nothing to do with the EU, but let me put it this way, there are many things you could do about improving communities and job creating, this must be one of the worst ways of getting this done.

I guess you accuse me of being brainwashed by the EU. Not sure how this would work, but then again I must be brainwashed because I believe in cooperation. I don't believe in Ad hominem's, so I will not go that way.
The EU has indeed some strange things and is wasting money in some area's, and is very efficient in some other area's. How much of the annual budget is wasted in the UK on civil servants and the hole government apparatus? In the EU it is 6%, very efficient, so you and your college's waste much more money than the EU, so I am not exactly sure how you can lecture the EU about not wasting money. All the services the EU does at the moment will go back to the UK, most probably it will cost the UK tax-payer more when your wet dream becomes reality. But why let facts stand in the way of a good argument?
Corruption? You must elaborate on this, please. Using big words, there must follow a big explanation. Anyhow, whataboutism / Tu quoqueto justify this isn't really the way to go, now is it, especially when it blows up in your face.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 8:17 am

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Dutchy wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Another positive for Brexit. This’ll be great for jobs and local communities. Online shopping is decimating physical retail. A great way to fight back.


Why do you support unfair competition and wasting government money?


You have to look at the bigger picture. Protected jobs and improved communities.

Not sure you can really go on about wasting government money. As someone brainwashed by the EU, are you not concerned about how much money the EU needlessly wastes? Moving Parliament, corruption, and over generous expense claims?


The EU is actually very efficient. It saves all the member states from duplicating a whole bunch of functions. Lets look at aviation in particular:

We could have had 28 different national civil aviation administrations, one for each country. Each would have to certify new aircraft, issue licenses, do inspections and so on. Instead we have just one that does most of the expensive work: EASA. EASA might cost a bit more than 1 national administration would, but not much. Meanwhile the cost is shared by 28 countries. So while the post-Brexit UK will be paying for 1 CAA, the rest of us will only be paying a 27th of that for EASA. Much cheaper and totally not a waste of money.

And just because people have the sense to be pro-EU, doesn't mean that they are automatically in favour of moving the parliament every so often.
 
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 8:18 am

noviorbis77 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
A101 wrote:
I prefer to look at what I’m buying first, I have never order over the internet


How very quaint. Anyway, the discussion about the sorry state of Britain's high streets really has nothing to do with Brexit, so we'll move on, shall we?


Michael Heseltine has Tory whip withdrawn after saying he would vote Lib Dem in the EU election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48344485

Meanwhile, it appears they have very large seagulls in Newcastle!
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Is violence against people you dislike in the political field ok by you?

Not really something to make jokes about is it. This sort of thing needs to be nipped in the bud. we’ve already had the Jo Cox incident, so childish jibes against assaults of political figures isn’t very clever is it.



I can understand the frustration that someone has with mr. Farage, because he wants to make GB small again for a group of extremely rich men, but this is not the way.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 8:20 am

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And just because people have the sense to be pro-EU, doesn't mean that they are automatically in favour of moving the parliament every so often.


I actually know no one whom is in favor of this ridiculous moving every month, except the French government.
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Re: Brexit part 6: Encore un moment Monsieur le Bourreaue

Tue May 21, 2019 8:29 am

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And just because people have the sense to be pro-EU, doesn't mean that they are automatically in favour of moving the parliament every so often.


I actually know no one whom is in favor of this ridiculous moving every month, except the French government.


IMHO, sending the politicians out to see the world can be a healthy thing. Way too often we see public officials centralizing everything around themselves in the capital city. It is an issue in both Denmark, France and the UK. If going to Strasbourg from time to time means that the politicians get to go out and see the world, then that is a good thing. It will encourage them to look beyond their narrow world in Brussels when investing in infrastructure and education.

It actually isn't so expensive in the grand scheme of things.

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