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Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 4:24 am

I know my fears are perhaps irrational, bu I've been really scared about going to communist countries alone where I don't know the language. I am afraid I might get sent to a jail or concentration camp or that I'd be framed for some crime unbeknownst to me. Especially after the Otto Warmbier story, I'm afraid I'll be the next. I don't drink, don't do drugs, don't do anything. I'm only traveling b/c it's a passion of mine - was wondering if anyone had gone through the same fears and how did you overcome them? I don't have any issues going to Europe or Japan, it's weird.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 6:08 am

Why would anyone want to travel to North Korea in the first place?
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 6:15 am

In case of North Korea, the rules are explained to you very clearly before you enter the country. You should keep in mind what they tell you and stick to it.

Other than North Korea, there are almost no real communist countries left in this world. All have some kind of market economy. Perhaps it would be better if you told us exactly which country you're planning to visit.

Of course you should always study the laws of the country where you're going to before going there, it doesn't matter if it's a communist country or not. Even in some capitalist countries there are laws which might be found odd to Westerners. In a lot of countries it is a crime to openly support homosexuality. You don't have to be gay yourself, just saying you approve of it can get you in jail. And that's just one example.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 6:16 am

L410Turbolet wrote:
Why would anyone want to travel to North Korea in the first place?


Because it's a very interesting country, very unique. Very different from the rest of the world.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 6:28 am

North Korea is likely the safest place you'll ever visit (though if you're American, your government bans you from visiting anyway). Everything is *extremely* clearly laid out (though Young Pioneer Tours do have a reputation for being a bit lax). It's also one of the most touristy places I've ever visited.

In general for communist countries, no, I don't feel even slightly nervous. The reason I travel is to see places that are different from where I'm from, and I always get excited when visiting a new place.

What countries are you planning to visit? If you're nervous, the best way to counter that is just to go.
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 12:34 pm

No, not really. Been to North Korea. I felt there much safer, than in some other countries like Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, India, Bangladesh or Algeria. I think the chances of getting (wrongly) arrested is much higher in some of the mentioned countries, than in "communist" countries.
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 5:09 pm

Flying solo to communist countries, what is this - the 1950's? Apart from North Korea, Eritrea, Cuba, and (according to the Republican Party) Venezuela, there aren't really any nations left adhering to the Communist ideology as a means of running the state. I would be far more concerned about visiting market economies such as Nicaragua (currently descending into violence and what not), the DRC, and various other countries (as already mentioned) where the risk of being jailed arbitrarily is higher.
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 5:23 pm

Fear of communist is so last millenium.
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 5:58 pm

Depends on the country. As a Canadian, I would have no worries about going to Cuba. But I would think long and hard about going to China right now.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 8:57 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:

Other than North Korea, there are almost no real communist countries left in this world. All have some kind of market economy. Perhaps it would be better if you told us exactly which country you're planning to visit.



Canada :D
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 9:19 pm

dangerhere wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

Other than North Korea, there are almost no real communist countries left in this world. All have some kind of market economy. Perhaps it would be better if you told us exactly which country you're planning to visit.



Canada :D


Denmark if you believe FOX.
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 10:21 pm

Maybe tell us what country you are planning on visiting ?
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 10:44 pm

The only communist country I have ever visited is Cuba and I can assure you I felt more relaxed and welcomed there than in some "regular" countries where anyone wearing an uniform feels entitled to look at us as if we were a threat, I won't drop names...
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 pm

Without knowing your nationality, I'm 99% certain that you're American. I always find it fascinating how isolated the American point of view can be and that so much outside US territory is regarded as threatening. I know that it is the way you are brought up and I'm not blaming anyone personally but there's so much great content out there in the form of travel documentaries, travel vlogs etc that you can get a pretty good idea about a country before you travel. Unless you travel to an active war zone there's no need to fear but in any case it is best to educate yourself before traveling. It makes your journey safer and you can also enjoy it more and connect your learned information with reality
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Tue May 14, 2019 9:30 am

I travel to China, Vietnam and Laos on a regular basis. Never felt any fear or had any concern. Some years ago, some male westerns have been caught in a massage salon in VN because the massage did not cover the shoulders only…:scratchchin: that’s all I remember.

Would be more concerned in Saudi Arabia, where a colleague of mine took out – by mistake, of course - Israeli Shekel in a duty free shop at the airport and the staff started to scream.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Tue May 14, 2019 10:08 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
L410Turbolet wrote:
Why would anyone want to travel to North Korea in the first place?


Because it's a very interesting country, very unique. Very different from the rest of the world.


Reminds me of: You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a cow's @$$, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it ?

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Tue May 14, 2019 3:43 pm

FlyRow wrote:
dangerhere wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

Other than North Korea, there are almost no real communist countries left in this world. All have some kind of market economy. Perhaps it would be better if you told us exactly which country you're planning to visit.



Canada :D


Denmark if you believe FOX.


Wrong one...it's Sweden (BTW..."Socialist" is not even the same as communist).

As for flying solo to a communist country...to start, which one?
Quite frankly, for China/Vietnam/Laos, as long as you don't do things like drugs or try to spread anti-gov't stuff in that country, you're fine. For the latter chances are they'll just deport you anyway.
Cuba? If you're American you probably can't even get in (Thanks...IQ45). If you're Canadian, well, if it's winter you would have thought you're in downtown Toronto anyway.
Nepal (if you count that as "Communist Country" since the Communist party is in control right now)? I would worried more about altitude sickness...
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 5:12 pm

LH748 wrote:
Without knowing your nationality, I'm 99% certain that you're American. I always find it fascinating how isolated the American point of view can be and that so much outside US territory is regarded as threatening. I know that it is the way you are brought up and I'm not blaming anyone personally but there's so much great content out there in the form of travel documentaries, travel vlogs etc that you can get a pretty good idea about a country before you travel. Unless you travel to an active war zone there's no need to fear but in any case it is best to educate yourself before traveling. It makes your journey safer and you can also enjoy it more and connect your learned information with reality


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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Wed May 15, 2019 1:43 pm

b777a340fan wrote:
...that I'd be framed for some crime unbeknownst to me.


I generally have a look at travel advice for the country I am going to visit. The US page: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... ries.html/
also quite helpful if you translate it, the one from Germany: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/Reis ... tshinweise

While those pages might not tell you about every single thing that is better not done there, they will tell you what to be cautious about in general. If you are a seasoned traveller, you will learn how to put the advice into perspective. Generally I'd say, behave like you always do, if something feels funny, stay away from it, and you should be mostly fine.
As for "communist" countries, you will notice that the everyday people you meet won't differ much from your own kind, they just have an administration with a different mindset.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:42 pm

I just went on holidays to Pakistan a few weeks ago. What an amazing country. So much history, so peaceful, so beautiful. Islamabad is amazing, such a livable city. I was never afraid. Yes, there have been a couple of small terrorist attacks in Lahore since. No biggie. What's the worst that can happen? You die? Then there's nothing else left to do. Live a little.

Besides, I feel way safer in places like Vietnam or China than in the US. In the US, you never know when some crazy person is going to whip out a semiautomatic rifle and start butchering people for no reason, at the mall, on the street, at the movie theater, at schools. THAT is really scary. Hence I don't visit the US (and I have a US passport).
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Wed May 15, 2019 2:43 pm

OlafW wrote:
b777a340fan wrote:
...that I'd be framed for some crime unbeknownst to me.


I generally have a look at travel advice for the country I am going to visit. The US page: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... ries.html/
also quite helpful if you translate it, the one from Germany: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/Reis ... tshinweise

While those pages might not tell you about every single thing that is better not done there, they will tell you what to be cautious about in general. If you are a seasoned traveller, you will learn how to put the advice into perspective. Generally I'd say, behave like you always do, if something feels funny, stay away from it, and you should be mostly fine.
As for "communist" countries, you will notice that the everyday people you meet won't differ much from your own kind, they just have an administration with a different mindset.

Lol. If you follow the Dept of State travel page you might as well just stay home.
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Wed May 15, 2019 4:17 pm

Coal wrote:
Besides, I feel way safer in places like Vietnam or China than in the US. In the US, you never know when some crazy person is going to whip out a semiautomatic rifle and start butchering people for no reason, at the mall, on the street, at the movie theater, at schools. THAT is really scary. Hence I don't visit the US (and I have a US passport).


I would say you're more likely to get rob at gunpoint than get shot in a mass shooting. Not that the former is any less scary, though.

Meanwhile, in VN or China, just be aware of pickpockets (I mean, they are everywhere) and you're fine. And even then, the pickpocket problem is probably way worse in places like Paris or Rome anyway.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Wed May 15, 2019 9:30 pm

What odd phrasing as if it's a thread re-posted from 1984. If the OP in general means dictatorships or police states it very depends on which one.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Thu May 16, 2019 8:59 am

Coal wrote:
Lol. If you follow the Dept of State travel page you might as well just stay home.


Just mentioned that as I thought it would be quite similar to the German page. Had a look at advice for travelling to Iran, and while I get that the Smart Traveler plan might be a good idea (as long as that's the same as the German "Krisenvorsorgeliste"), drafting a will and discussing plans regarding care/custody of children, belongings, wishes, etc. seems way over the top for me. Guess I have to agree with you somewhat.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Thu May 16, 2019 10:52 pm

Lots of rationalising a very logical fear of a volatile, dangerous country for westerners here

Otto Warmbier had no fear either


I wouldn’t go to N Korea for any reason whatsoever, in this case trust your instincts
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Thu May 16, 2019 11:48 pm

Yes, your fears are irrational. Anyone visiting a foreign nation will find out that all nations enforce their laws, and aren't in the business of "framing" people for no reason. Didn't that Otto person try to steal a poster or something? So when you travel, don't do anything stupid, and you won't get sent to "concentration camp". Also, stop watching so many movies. And having visited countries like China and Vietnam often, you can easily get around speaking not a word of their native language.
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Fri May 17, 2019 2:09 am

HOOB747 wrote:
Yes, your fears are irrational. Anyone visiting a foreign nation will find out that all nations enforce their laws, and aren't in the business of "framing" people for no reason. Didn't that Otto person try to steal a poster or something? So when you travel, don't do anything stupid, and you won't get sent to "concentration camp". Also, stop watching so many movies. And having visited countries like China and Vietnam often, you can easily get around speaking not a word of their native language.



North Korea is not just any communist country, it is a totalitarian regime with
not even the slightest concept of human rights


Otto Warmbier allegedly stole a poster, the sort of thing many youngsters might do on a prank

A prank that had him sentenced to 15 years
hard labor and then they beat him to death


You can get in trouble for a lot less, just say the wrong thing and you can end up like him


I wonder how many of these posters advocating for your travel there would go there themselves, they may say they would..


There’s so many other places to visit in the
world why on earth would you risk your freedom by going to such an atrocious place ?
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Fri May 17, 2019 4:50 am

HOOB747 wrote:
Yes, your fears are irrational. Anyone visiting a foreign nation will find out that all nations enforce their laws, and aren't in the business of "framing" people for no reason. Didn't that Otto person try to steal a poster or something? So when you travel, don't do anything stupid, and you won't get sent to "concentration camp". Also, stop watching so many movies. And having visited countries like China and Vietnam often, you can easily get around speaking not a word of their native language.


But good luck getting anyone to acknowledge you if you don't speak any French in France :duck: :duck:

On yet another note - come on, we all know whenever, let say, an American get arrested in another country, they are always arrested b/c they are "framed", not b/c they're stupid and actually broke the law. Oh, and US gov't should go in and save their a** every single time. And BTW, this is not limited to communist country, nor even just "third world" country...just look at Amanda Knox and how the US media is extremely bias saying that "It must be those ultra incompetent Italians".

Now, are there worries going to, let say, PRC in general? Well, if you're working for one of the alphabet agencies in the gov't, then maybe (Mostly b/c those people can easily be used as a political pawn). But if you're just a regular joe? Nobody will care.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 5:16 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
L410Turbolet wrote:
Why would anyone want to travel to North Korea in the first place?


Because it's a very interesting country, very unique. Very different from the rest of the world.

Watching a car wreck is also interesting and unique... in a perverted sense od that word.
Also, comrade Kim is super happy for the hard currency western fools, who participate in his dog and pony show, bring to keep the NK evil regime running.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 8:27 am

For anyone who is concerned about travelling to such countries, I'd suggest they take what they read or watch in the news with a HUGE pinch of salt. The media only portray news that sells, and alas that is often negative news. All countries have their good and bad aspects.

I've travelled to many communist or former communist countries aswell as countries that people think are evil or scary, including Cuba, North Korea, almost all of the former USSR, Iran, Venezuela, Somalia, China and many others, and I've never felt nervous or unsafe. If anything it's been the complete opposite. Corruption in these countries is pretty much non-existant, as their governments have cracked down hard on this sort of thing.

Regarding the Otto Warmbier issue, the way he was treated was horrible, but at the end of the day he committed a crime in another country. What would happen if you are caught stealing something in Singapore? Public birching, or perhaps a hand cut off in the Middle East? What about in the US, where there is sadly a risk of a gung ho cop shooting to kill, statistically more so if you aren't white.

The world is a fascinating place, I'd recommend anyone who wants to see it to forget about politics and so called news, and just go and see it. You won't be disappointed.
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Fri May 17, 2019 10:30 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
FlyRow wrote:
dangerhere wrote:


Canada :D


Denmark if you believe FOX.


Wrong one...it's Sweden (BTW..."Socialist" is not even the same as communist).

As for flying solo to a communist country...to start, which one?
Quite frankly, for China/Vietnam/Laos, as long as you don't do things like drugs or try to spread anti-gov't stuff in that country, you're fine. For the latter chances are they'll just deport you anyway.
Cuba? If you're American you probably can't even get in (Thanks...IQ45). If you're Canadian, well, if it's winter you would have thought you're in downtown Toronto anyway.
Nepal (if you count that as "Communist Country" since the Communist party is in control right now)? I would worried more about altitude sickness...


In fairness, a right-wing government in a society like Denmark, or pretty much every other European social market economy, would be considered relatively commie by American standards.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 10:58 am

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In fairness, a right-wing government in a society like Denmark, or pretty much every other European social market economy, would be considered relatively commie by American standards.


Case in point, we presently do have a right-wing government in Denmark, but that didn't stop an air headed bimbo on Faux News from launching on a 'Denmark is a socialist country' diatribe.

Put it this way: The political centre in the US is so far off to the right, in most other democracies it's neither a minute fraction of, or not even represented in, their parliaments.
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Fri May 17, 2019 12:57 pm

Lot of people here sure are quick to defend North Korea murdering a college student...
 
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Re: Do you ever get nervous about flying solo to a communist country?

Fri May 17, 2019 3:53 pm

It is not a concern visiting a communist country as a general tourist. It obviously will feel quite different living in one. The dominance of propaganda news and digital spying will make you feel like living in the novel 1984, with no way of getting out.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 5:29 pm

cranberrysaus wrote:
Lot of people here sure are quick to defend North Korea murdering a college student...




You have a good point and well said
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Sat May 18, 2019 12:46 am

Coal wrote:
Yes, there have been a couple of small terrorist attacks in Lahore since. No biggie.


It's too late for you here, but if you want to be taken seriously in the future you should not refer to the death of 20 people as "no biggie".
 
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Sat May 18, 2019 7:58 am

IPFreely wrote:
Coal wrote:
Yes, there have been a couple of small terrorist attacks in Lahore since. No biggie.


It's too late for you here, but if you want to be taken seriously in the future you should not refer to the death of 20 people as "no biggie".

Wow. Sorry, that was completely insensitive. Thanks for calling it out.
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